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False positive

When endeavouring to fix punctuation of a list I didn't notice that I had double-pasted (a case of too many thumbs). I immediately went to undo my edit, but ClueBot had already jumped in. Due to the double-undoing by both me and ClueBot it seemed less complicated to leave the audit trail as it is (below), and start afresh. I have resubmitted the updated information with the punctuation fix.

I had previewed the main edit three or four times before committing it. The minor few fullstop to semi-colon changes were my undoing.

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Recent News on City of Adelaide - December 15, 2009

Final pleas as deadline looms on the City of Adelaide's fate
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Gavin Lower,From: The Australian, December 15, 2009 12:00AM

This is obviously of interest to you. I have been meaning to update the City of Adelaide's article, but other mattters have kept me away. Use this reference as you see fit.
Regards --220.101.28.25 (talk) 04:19, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

June 2010

Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of previously published material to our articles as you apparently did to Anniversary. Please cite a reliable source for all of your information. Thank you. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 13:56, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Mr Rubins,

I have spent a good part of a day expanding the page on Anniversary particlarly relating to the use of Roman fractions. I am disappointed that you reverted those changes within 30 minutes of me having made them.

Prior to me making edits on this page it had already been marked as original research. This related to discussion already on the page relating to use of multiplication of Latin terms, which another editor was clearly already questioning. While there was some merit in the proposition as already put on the page, it was not pertinent to the use of Roman fractions.

The page as it was, also proposed that pure multiplication of root terms was used for developing all Latin numerical terms - the page gave several examples (which I left intact for comparison) of how other numerals are derived - for example it suggested that 350 was derived in Latin as half of 700 - Semiseptcentennial: semi- (half) x sept(7) x cen(t)- (100) x centennial (350 years). While at face value it seemed a reasonable proposition, to develop other numbers like 925 based on this thesis would require developing Latin terms for half of 1850, or a quarter (half of a half) of 3700!

There are multiple existing sources on Wiki pages that identify how the Romans treated fractions. For example, 350 years is 3-½ centuries or in Latin terms is ½ century on the way between 3 and 4 centuries. For another example, 925 years is a quarter century more than 9 centuries.

A good description of Roman fractions is found on the Roman numerals page. This is supported by Wiki pages on other situtaions where the Romans had to deal with fractions - coins, areas, lengths, weights, etc:

• Dodrans - three-quarters - or more correctly a whole less a quarter.
• Doðrantur http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/do%C3%B0rantur
• Uncia (coin)
• Uncia (length)
• Sestertius (originally semis-tertius) means "2 ½", the coin's original value in asses, and is a combination of semis "half" and tertius "third", that is, "the third half" (0 ½ being the first half and 1 ½ the second half) or "half the third" (two units plus half the third unit, or halfway between the second unit and the third).
• Quartus http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/quartus#Latin

Therefore, most of the substantiating references were sourced from within Wikipedia, with multiple links added, and are robust discussions that are highly cross-referenced. I had not used external references as the internal pages were well constructed and extensively cross-referenced.

I also converted the text list to a table to make the alternatives easier to compare and assess. This meant that the derivations were not lost in the Notes sections at the bottom of the page, making critical review easier. I did not remove any of the alternative derivations of previous authors/editors and placed the Roman fraction versions directly alongside the old propositions to enable the reader to compare and form their own opinion. The only proposition that I removed was the discussion made that pure multiplication was the means to implement Latin terms and which had attracted the concern of a past editor. Even then, I did recylcle the previous author's comments and highlighted that the reader just needs to be careful when they are multiplying, adding or subtracting.

I have endeavoured to highlight alternative Latin terms that might also be applicable, and have also indicated where one term was derived based on another documented example. The important issue was highlighting the way that Roman fractions were treated rather than the old discussion suggesting that multiplication was the only appropriate method. Therefore leaving the page as is was giving defective information. Your action in reverting the page to the erroneous information was therefore disappointing as was the suggestion that the information that I added was original research and not referenced. Cruickshanks (talk) 15:38, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I apologize; I misinterpreted what you did. It makes the original research more obvious, but you didn't add any. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 15:52, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Mr Rubins. I do hope my contribution on the Roman fractions is helpful to the community. I hope other editors with greater skills in Latin will assist in refining the "best" Latin alternative for the derived anniversaries relating to fractions of centuries. Cruickshanks (talk) 16:42, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

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Bot marked image for deletion for being an orphan while I was still editting article it was to go on to! I finished the article and reverted orphan status on image. Cruickshanks (talk) 17:55, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but I had to textify this image on User:Cruickshanks/Sandbox because fair use files are not permitted outside of mainspace, per WP:NFCC#9.   — Jeff G. ツ 22:08, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

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I don't know the answer to your question, but my instinct is that the flag is correct. I've copied your question across to WT:SHIPS for others to answer definitively. Mjroots (talk) 07:17, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

New infobox on article talk page, comments there please. Mjroots (talk) 05:53, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

You've done some good work expanding this. I think we may have the makings of a GA if you're interested in pushing it a bit further. Mjroots (talk) 08:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Mjroots. Since the article receieved B-rating, I was inspired to try to get the article up the ladder. I am very new to this but have read the guidelines and think I have a reasonable handle on the content requirements, but am cloudy on the nomination/review process. I gather that anyone might end up being the reviewer rather than WikiProject Ships member (I am not sure on this). Anyway onwards and upwards!--Cruickshanks (talk) 13:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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Hopefully now rectified. Cruickshanks (talk) 06:38, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

See my comments on the page. It's still borderline, see explanation on talk page. --Alvestrand (talk) 08:58, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Cruickshanks. Thanks for the message. I have a quick look at the upgraded Southern Ocean article. This looks good. The only part that I do not like is the ‘History of exploration’ section which reads a bit like the description of the ‘bottle’ rather of the ‘wine’. At this point in time, I am not sure how this can be improved; I need to read it again and reflect on it. Incidentally, I also do like the image shrinking Southern Ocean.png’ as this illustrates in much less than 1000 words the recent evolution of the concept of the Southern Ocean. Cowdy001 (talk) 23:10, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

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