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Your edits at: Historically black colleges and universities

DMacks,

You appear to be determined to pursue a pissing match, both grammatically and procedurally, on Historically black colleges and universities. Why? Not only are you edit-warring - and as an admin, you know better - but you're also treacherously close to 3RR. Just because you simply can't acknowledge that a dictionary disquisition is superior to the opinion of a Writer's Digest blogger/editor? Additionally, you entirely misstated procedure - and as an admin you should also know that too - in telling me that I "need consensus" because of BRD. That reveals a lack of fundamental understanding about what BRD actually entails. Please review it, as it clearly says in the very first sentence that BRD "is an optional method of reaching consensus." So, contrary to your claim, invoking BRD doesn't require that I "need" anything. But I do need editors/admins to follow the rules like the rest of us and not issue overbearing - and ill-informed - pronouncements in a transparent attempt to stifle or intimidate legitimate editorial disagreement.

But if this grammatical question really is so important to you - and not just a thinly veiled effort, per WP:WINNING; then you're certainly free to WP:RFC the matter. Or take it to any number of other dispute resolution processes available to you. Finally, I could revert your last 2 edits without reaching the 3RR threshold. But that would be inappropriate and only serve to escalate this nonsense. At least one of us should be the grownup. So instead, it would be more appropriate, especially given your position of trust here, if you self-reverted and then utilized the tools for DR at your disposal. Then, at least, others could review this and objectively determine that both editors actually acted like adults. X4n6 (talk) 20:51, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps you'd like to seek a WP:3O, or ask at some WP:MOS talkpage? I cited WP:BRD as a normal behavioral standard for dispute resolution because you clearly don't have consensus (yet), and consensus is an official policy. You're trying to make a change, it's disputed, and so far the best I see you say is that your wording is "not worse" (allowed but not more correct, even according to your own cited ref), which is not the same as "better" (fixing an actual mistake, for example). If it's not actually an improvement, you're just getting into a personal-preference match with the original author and a time-sink that does not benefit readers or editors. I also noted that even your second edit seemed even further flawed by punctuation, a change of meaning that I strongly dispute even if I overlook alternately allowed wordings. Your right that being WP:POINTy would not serve use well. DMacks (talk) 21:01, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

I presume you're familiar with WP:BOOMERANG? Although any reference to your own culpability was notably absent. No acknowledgment of your edit-warring. But your view that BRD is a "normal behavioral standard" entirely misses the point. BRD is merely an: "an optional method" for reaching consensus. More critically, while you noted that I don't have consensus, per WP:EDITCONSENSUS, neither do you. I also question how thoughtful your objections have been, especially since both edits I made were reliably sourced here and here; and your only real objection was that neither was the original text. Actually, my amended edit was supported by a definitive source - Merriam Webster - and ironically, your own source. But, curiously, you still objected. Meaning that what you called "flawed by punctuation" was grammatically correct by all the sources presented. Re-read them. I had already expressed concern that your only interest was WINNING. But then you proved it. However, you are correct: we both have options. X4n6 (talk) 09:01, 20 May 2017 (UTC)08:41, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

wack-a-mole

Latest User:Salvidrim!/Macy VG IP vandal sock [1] Meters (talk) 22:00, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Whacked, thanks. DMacks (talk) 21:06, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-21

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Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 May. It will be on all wikis from 25 May (calendar).
• There will be a <div> tag around HTML from the MediaWiki wikitext parser. Gadgets with code that does not follow recommendations could have problems with this. You can report new problems you think are related to this. [2]

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22:06, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Thiomersal

Hi DMacks, You took out my edit in March on Thiomersal saying you can't find anywhere on the quoted CDC page that the multi-dose Fluvirin vial contains 25 micrograms of Thiomersal... Just go on that CDC page again please (I put the citation back in the article), press ctrl-F / CMD-F (search text in browser), write "Fluvirin" (without quotation marks obviously...), press enter and read the figure next to multi-dose Fluvirin (the lower one out of the 2 Fluvirin vaccines). If you have a hard time interpreting the table, please research the topic a bit more before you delete or ask a pharmacist, physician or someone at the CDC. Thx! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abalazs (talk • contribs) 20:35, 23 May 2017 (UTC) (sorry for my tone, didn't mean to be condescending, just was surprised by your statement that you "didn't find anywhere on the cited page evidence for the edited info"...)

It's actually not there as I view it. I did exactly that search, and "fluvirin" is not present on the page. But then I looked at https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pdf/protect/vaccine/rr6505-table-1.pdf that is linked as Table 1, and on there it does appear. Maybe your browser actually embeds that PDF in the main page. Interesting. Thanks for prompting me to look more closely! No worries about the tone. Given how you see it, it's no wonder my edit seemed so bizarre. DMacks (talk) 04:26, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Deleted Yet again.

I am an internationally recognized visual artist and designer. In the course of my career I have exhibited with other artists of note and have been very influential in the art world, having appeared in various publications of note.

However over the past few years. No matter how many times someone puts a wiki article up on me, it gets deleted. I have begun to feel that there is some sort of racist act taking place. The few black American artists that appear on Wikipedia are far and in between.. Yet to have the article removed over and over again with little to no reason. Other than a vague statement suggesting that I am not worth any notability is hurtful and a blatant slap in my face. The Jalal Pleasant article wasn't live even long enough for new additional verifiable edits/links could be added before it was deleted by you. This in my opinion is unfair. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.104.49.120 (talk) 21:22, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

The most recent attempt at the Jalal Pleasant article sat for half a day with no "claim of notability". That means it's exactly within the realm of WP:CSD#A7, a reason that is clearly visible at User talk:Nieuwutrechter (the editor account who created it). The subject might be suitable for an article (assuming it meets standards such as WP:ARTIST for example). But the article at the time was not, and there was no evidence it was actively being edited: I can see the timestamps of the deleted edits, and there were many hours between last edit and my tagging it for deletion, and then several more hours with still no edits before the actual deletion happened. The previous attempt had sat for a whole week after tagging and with no further edits to attempt to address the problem or dispute that there was a problem. There is surely real bias on WP, and editors and article subjects might perceive additional bias that does not exist, but the policies and guidelines for wikipedia articles are quite neutral: the article must make claims of notability and there must be reliable independent sources to support it.

Maybe it would be better for you to collect your sources first, then write a non-live "draft" article and get some independent opinion on its suitability, without the time crunch of having to be written in a viable form for the live page right away? See Wikipedia:Your first article for more info. DMacks (talk) 04:39, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-22

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Problems

• Last week’s MediaWiki version was rolled back from some wikis because of a problem. This means planned changes did not happen. [3]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 30 May at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• You will be able to control who can notify you on the Wikimedia wikis. You will have a user blacklist. When you add a user to the blacklist you will not get a notification when they mention you. You can test this on Beta Wikipedia. You can read more and give feedback on Meta. [4]

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12:18, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Few days unplugged

Just a semi-annual forcing myself to be mostly-unplugged/light-lurk-mode for a few days, not a fancy "vacation" in real life. DMacks (talk) 05:26, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Okay, that was nice. DMacks (talk) 02:35, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Aminophenol

Thanks for fixing that bit of mess. I didn't want to start an edit war. I actually had already fixed the link which incorrectly went to a glorified disambiguation page, so the entire reason for that addition no longer exists.JSR (talk) 16:03, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Halogen oxides and acids

[5] This article currently says that I
₂O
₅ is the most stable oxide of iodine. It is also the most stable halogen oxide, as it and I
₄O
₉ are the only halogen oxides with negative heats of formation, and I
₄O
₉ will decompose to I
₂O
₅. Oxides such as ClO
₂, OF
₂, and Cl
₂O
₇ are relatively stable, but can still exothermically decompose to X
₂ and O
₂. What is the best way to incorporate this into the article?

On a similar note, the article Iodic acid states that "it is one of the most stable oxo-acids of the halogens in its pure state". It would seem that it and HIO
₄ are the most stable, as all the other halogen oxoacids state that they are in some way unstable:
Hypofluorous acid: "HOF is explosive at room temperature"
Hypochlorous acid: "HClO cannot be isolated from these solutions"
Hypobromous acid: "Hypobromous acid is a very weak and unstable acid"
Hypoiodous acid: "It rapidly decomposes by disproportionation"
Chlorous acid: "The pure substance is unstable"
Bromous acid: "It is an unstable compound"
Iodous acid: "Its salts are named iodites; these are exceedingly unstable"
Chloric acid: "Chloric acid is thermodynamically unstable with respect to disproportionation"
Bromic acid: "It only exists in aqueous solution"
Iodic acid: "it is one of the most stable oxo-acids of the halogens in its pure state"
Perchloric acid: "Anhydrous perchloric acid is an unstable oily liquid at room temperature"
Perbromic acid: "Perbromic acid is unstable"
Periodic acid: Appears to be stable
What is the best way to use this inormation to make HIO
₃ and/or HIO
₄ the most stable halogen oxoacids?
RedPanda25 17:55, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Cleanup image accessibility

Template:Cleanup image accessibility has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 07:11, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

2604:6000:e589:a200::/64

Thanks for your rangeblock earlier on that IP user. It gave admins time to protect List of Bear in the Big Blue House episodes with PC. However, before Lectonar protected the page, an IPv4 made the exact same edit two IPv6's now affected by your rangeblock (who were clearly the same person) made earlier today. The edit was made after your rangeblock, so I believe this is a clear case of block evasion. The IPv4 is 97.33.65.184. — Gestrid (talk) 21:51, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

On a related note, after seeing the IPv4's other edit, which was to Bear in the Big Blue House (along with one other IPv4), I believe this may be related to Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Muppets LTA. You can correct me if I'm wrong on this. — Gestrid (talk) 21:56, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

That's not one of the sock-drawers I follow regularly (or at least recognize by name). But there are a few with similar patterns that I just block on sight without caring too much which specific master it might be. DMacks (talk) 14:50, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Weather Channel

DMacks, why do you keep inexplicably deleting the edits to the Weather Channel page? Do you watch the Weather Channel? Do you know who their on-air meteorologists are? Kelly Cass has been there for 18 years and is the co-host of AMHQ. She is on weekends and many weekdays as well, hosting their flagship program AMHQ. Where do you get off repeatedly deleting her entry? She has been there longer than any of the other people on that list except for Paul Goodloe, who has been there for 18.5 years. You can check the Weather Channel's social media for AMHQ such as their twitter feed and Kelly is all over it. You can check her Social Media, www.facebook.com/twckellycass - her social media has blue check marks denoting that she is certified by Facebook and Twitter. If you have an explanation for your repeated incorrect deletions, please email me at keybeeny@hotmail.com and I will be happy to provide even more evidence that her entry belongs on that page, and I added Alexandra Wilson's as well. If you want to make yourself useful you can de-ambiguate Alexandra Wilson and give her an entry of her own since there seem to be many other people by that name. Keybeeny (talk) 22:17, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't know or care anything about this subject. Nobody (me included) disagrees that she exists and is a presenter there. But per widely agreed wikipedia guideline, there was no evidence that she met the definition of "notable" (see WP:BIO guidelines)--it is quite clearly defined, and is possibly not what you think from standard dictionary definitions or your personal opinions. Therefore it is not acceptable to list in a section specifically for "notable" people (see WP:NLIST/WP:NOTDIR guidelines). DMacks (talk) 01:44, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Also, your continued edit warring to insert it is a forbidden behavior here on wikipedia regardless of the truthfulness or acceptability of the edit. Please see also WP:COI, which sometimes makes it difficult for editors to handle themselves impartially here. DMacks (talk) 01:50, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-23

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can see new files on Special:NewFiles. You can now pick which dates you want to see files from. [6]
• When you read Wikipedia on a mobile device the first paragraph now comes before the infobox. [7]
• You can now remove navigation elements from your results when you search. This could for example be part of an infobox that is only there to help you find the previous or next article. [8]
• New users on Wikivoyages and Wikipedias (except French, English and German) now get a notification when a page they created is connected to Wikidata. Other wikis will get it 13 June. [9]

Problems

• The MediaWiki version from two weeks ago was rolled back. It was fixed late last week. Changes that were planned to go out last week did not happen. [10]

Changes this week

• Wikimedia wikis can show fewer links to articles in other languages. This is to make it easier to find the languages likely to be useful to the reader or editor. Everyone can still click to see the full list. Logged-in users who use the compact language links will see languages they have in their Babel box on their user page in the first, shorter list. You can turn the compact language list off or on in your preferences. [11]
• You can choose what dates to look at when you look at a user's contributions. [12]
• When you click on your watchlist in the mobile view you get a list of all pages in the watchlist instead of the latest changes to them. Logged-in users with at least ten edits will now get the latest changes instead. [13]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 June. It will be on all wikis from 8 June (calendar).
• String comparisons in Scribunto modules are now always done case-insensitively by byte order. Before they were sometimes in a case-sensitive US-English collation order. This could break some modules. [14]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 6 June at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The 2006 wikitext editor will be removed the week of 27 June. This is the old toolbar with small square blue buttons. You can see a picture of it. 0.03% of active Wikimedia editors use this old tool. They will not see a toolbar at all. [15][16]
• Wikimedia wikis use OCG to create PDFs. The OCG code has a lot of problems and will stop working. It has to be replaced. An alternative is Electron. You can tell the developers what you need the PDF service to be able to do. Electron already works on German Wikipedia. It will be on English Wikipedia later this week so you can test it there too. [17]
• The Architecture Committee will change and get a new name. You can read and comment on the draft that describes the new committee.

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19:04, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Daveed Diggs edit in Brown University article

Daveed Diggs is a Brown University class of 2004 alum and also received an honorary degree last month. source. - Kzirkel (talk) 12:44, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Ah yes, my mistake. I only remembered seeing the press releases about the honorary one. Thanks for the cite to support it. DMacks (talk) 13:23, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-24

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Recent changes

• Some wikis have the larger and brighter OOjs UI edit page buttons. When you write an edit summary there you can now see how many bytes you have left before the summary is too long. [18]
• When you search on Wikipedia you can now find pages on other Wikimedia projects that could be relevant. You see them next to the search results. [19]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 June. It will be on all wikis from 15 June (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 13 June at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• You will soon be able to get a notification when someone tries to log in to your account. You can test this on the test wiki. This will only work if they fail to log in to your account. [20]
• Wikimedia wikis use OCG to create PDFs. The OCG code has a lot of problems and will stop working. It has to be replaced. An alternative is Electron. You can tell the developers what you need the PDF service to be able to do. Electron now works on all Wikimedia projects. [21]
• Administrators can soon search for deleted page titles and find results that are similar to what they searched for. Today the search only finds pages that are exactly the same as what you search for. This is to make it easier to find pages when you don't know the exact title. Administrators on Arabic, Catalan, English, Persian, German, Italian, Polish, and Russian Wikipedia and on mediawiki.org can test this by adding &fuzzy=1 to the end of the web address when looking at Special:Undelete. [22][23]

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15:29, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

people complaining

We have people complaining this: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pleuromutilin&type=revision&diff=783728682&oldid=783489645 and people complaining that: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cavicularin&curid=2026951&diff=785132332&oldid=785131705. So eventually all articles degrade to zero content? V8rik (talk) 16:48, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Benzene vs phenyl

Thanks and no problems. Nice to know that we can check on each other. I was kind of expecting someone to pull me back.

My logic was that benzene ring is C6H6, end, period, say no more. It is not any derivative of benzene. Following that line of thought, one can attach things to C6H6, I guess, but the products would be complicated: thing-C6H6 with various charges.

Oh, on a less mischievous theme, I was going to assume that consensus was achieved on the tobacco components and revert most of those entries from User:Bosley John Bosley. --Smokefoot (talk) 17:47, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Purge

"to keep web spiders from accidentally purging pages when following links." - Purge at MediaWiki 83.31.80.210 (talk) 13:27, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

One could argue that a spider should purge first so that it does not follow links from an outdated cached copy of the page. As a disputed edit to a widely followed process, take it to talkpage and get consensus first. DMacks (talk) 13:29, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

File:Meldrum-pyrolysis-nucleophile.png

Hi DMacks, I think you are the uploader of File:Meldrum-pyrolysis-nucleophile.png. There appears to be an error in the reagent converting the ketene to an amide, where R'₂N appears... I think should be R'₂NH. Would you be able to upload a corrected version? Thanks, EdChem (talk) 14:23, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for the proofreading! DMacks (talk) 13:44, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-25

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• ORES had some problems on 13 June between 16:00 and 19:40 UTC. It has now been fixed. [24]

Changes this week

• irc.wikimedia.org has to be rebooted. This will probably happen on 21 June. It may be postponed. Some tools use this to get the recent changes feed. They will not work when it is down. [25]
• Special:PageData will be an entry point for machine-readable page data. [26]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 June. It will be on all wikis from 22 June (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 20 June at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• CSS in templates will be stored in a separate page in the future. You can now see how the TemplateStyles extension works on Beta Labs.

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15:44, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Wanted to let you know that I'd retired

Thank you for earlier affirming interactions. See User:Leprof_7272 page for details if interested. Respected you and your chemistry work a great deal. Bonne chance. Le Prof 73.210.155.96 (talk) 16:09, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Removed External links

New to Wikipedia !!

REMOVED LINKS:

Bringing up a kind of education site covering several engineering areas as, steam&gas turbines, process&power control. More than 40 years in these things. Instead of writing articles about things I'm building web simulators that act like real things. Have finished four of them already.

Steam Turbine ( http://turbine.arirang.hr/turbine/ ) - Calculates unit output and all thermodynamic parameters for both design and off-design conditions.
ThreeP ( http://turbine.arirang.hr/threep/ ) - Deadband-hysteresis loop controlling water level in a vessel. By visualization it explains how the whole things works without a single word.
TMC ( http://turbine.arirang.hr/tmc/ )- Two generators operate either isolated from grid (alone or both together) or connected to grid.
Synch ( http://turbine.arirang.hr/synch/ )- Synchronizing 10MW generator to grid.

They are all interactive and tunable. Reacting to user inputs the same way as the real things. Quite educational I believe.

Still playing there myself, tuning and operating my "toys". Please check.

Wanted to make these available to all interested by putting links at the relevant Wikipedia articles.

Believe my contribution fits well with Wikipedia idea and purpose.

Please give me some comment.

NEW ARTICLE:

Have few ideas for some Wikipedia articles. Do I just start writing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Turpero (talk • contribs) 07:25, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Could you delete the version of my talk page with the person's email on it?

I don't know if they want their email address on wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OrganoMetallurgy (talk • contribs) 23:36, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Good thought! Hiding that sort of detail for that reason is a different permission than the regular admin bit I have, so I passed it on to another who took care of it. DMacks (talk) 20:31, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. OrganoMetallurgy (talk) 20:49, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-26

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The <inputbox> has a new searchfilter parameter. You can add values like searchfilter=insource:foo. It will add that to the user's search query. [27]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 June. It will be on all wikis from 29 June (calendar).
• Users will be able to choose whether they want to see Wikidata changes in enhanced watchlist/recent changes. Previously, this was disabled for everyone. [28]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 27 June at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the next WMF Language team office hour, an open session to talk about Wikimedia Language projects. The meeting will be on 27 June at 13:00 UTC. [29]

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15:38, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-27

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• There was a problem with maps on Wikimedia wikis that used <mapframe> when you clicked on the link to another map service. Open Street Map or Google Maps are examples of other map services. If you had marked a place on the map the marker would not be in the same place on the other map service. It was in the middle of the map. This has now been fixed. [30]

Changes this week

• Very old and inactive unpublished translations in the Content Translation database will be removed. This is because of technical maintenance. If you have not worked on a translation after 1 January 2016 you will lose it after 6 July. If you want to keep the unfinished translation you need to open it before 6 July with the Content Translation tool. You can continue working on it later. Translations that were started or have been worked on after 1 January 2016 will not be affected.
• There is no new Mediawiki version this week.
• EventStreams is a new way to show activity on Wikimedia wikis. It works with the recent changes feed. It will do more things later. It will replace RCStream. Tools that use RCStream should move to EventStreams before 7 July. Tech News wrote about this in the 2017/07 issue. [31]

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15:31, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

File:HammersmithPalais London 1970.jpg listed for discussion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:HammersmithPalais London 1970.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. Whpq (talk) 10:46, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

July 2017

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at The Voice (India season 1). Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism can result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.72.9 (talk) 15:42, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Missed that it was fully protected, apologies

One however usually restores the article to the pre dispute state. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:29, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

No worries, glad you did start a discussion. Given neither form was vandalism or other unacceptable content, I simply froze it when I noticed the problem. (WP:PREFER doesn't agree that we should standardly use the pre-war content). DMacks (talk) 02:35, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Rest of the discussion was on the person's user page[32] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:47, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Excellent. DMacks (talk) 12:07, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-28

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• There are sometimes links to pages about the same thing on other Wikimedia projects. A Wikipedia article about Berlin can link to the Wikivoyage guide or Wiktionary entry about Berlin. You can now see when that page has a badge. A badge could be the star that shows that an article is a featured article. [33]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 11 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 12 July. It will be on all wikis from 13 July (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 11 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Mobile users will be able to edit Wikipedia without JavaScript. This will make it possible to edit the wikis from older mobile phones. This will probably happen on 18 July for most wikis. [34]
• We will not use Tidy on Wikimedia wikis in the future. It will be replaced by June 2018. It could be earlier. Editors will need to fix pages that could break. You can read the simplified instructions for editors.

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15:07, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Contradictory

Hello DMacks, sushn345wiki here. I saw that, after the word 'lithium diisopropylamide', a contradictory tag was added. So, I wanted to tell you that, in the website which was my reference, it was said that Lithium diisopropylamide is used as a deprotonating agent to create really strong bases. I recommend you to read that article. Sushn345wiki (talk) 17:23, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree that the article supports using LDA to create "really strong bases", but it does not appear to support using ito create any arbitrarily strong base (all members of the superbases). Instead, all I see is: "The hydroxide anion has the largest proton affinity possible in an aqueous environment, since any base with a larger PA will abstract a proton from H₂O...To generate stronger bases in solution, non-aqueous solvents are required. For example lithium diisopropylamide, which is often employed in organic synthesis as a deprotonating agent, must be used in an aprotic solvent such as tetrahydrofuran. Such extremely strong bases are referred to as superbases." That's talking all about abstracting a proton from water, which gives hydroxide, and is the limit of base strength that can be discussed in water (therefore instead using aprotic solvents). But I don't see where it says LDA is strong enough (or was actually used) to abstract the proton from LiOH, which is what is required to get LiO^–, and I don't see where it says that LiO^– was made in solution at all. DMacks (talk) 19:06, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

BLP dispute @ Lee Hsien Loong

I would appreciate if you can comment or participate in the talk page since you took action to lock the page. Thanks! Jane Dawson (talk) 12:11, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

I do not plan to participate in the discussion at this time, but will check back periodically to see if there is consensus to change the article. I don't have a strong enough opinion to get WP:INVOLVED. DMacks (talk) 05:47, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Consensus

Is fairly clear here[35]. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:35, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Awesome! I unprotected the page. DMacks (talk) 12:18, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Please revert my faulty edit

Dear Sir,

Please revert my faulty edit in Markovnikov's rule. Sorry for the inconvenient... regards --Agung.karjono (talk) 12:21, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

I have undone it. Please check. Sorry --Agung.karjono (talk) 12:27, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

@Agung.karjono: you appear to have undone it. No worries! DMacks (talk) 12:51, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

About the page Ravi Shankar (Spiritual Leader)

Hi DMacks,

Dear Dmacks , please change the title Ravi Shankar(Spiritual Leader) with Sri Sri Ravi Shankar(Spiritual Leader), It will be appropriate one. I promise you that Whatever changes I will make in this page is not disruptive and it would inform and aware millions of people around the world who want to know about him.

 I hope that you would at least read them instead just using bots to delete them. Wikipedia is after all an encyclopedia for mass awareness to keep people informed on things around world. Shiva767 (talk) 00:44, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

The current page-title is based on WP:CONSENSUS from a discussion that identified several WP:NPOV (neutrality) and WP:MOS (style) guidelines that are themselves consensus for all of wikipedia. Therefore it would be inappropriate (and "disruptive") for me to rename page.

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a news source, and so it must maintain an impartial tone, and avoid promotion or being used as any sort of awareness campaign. DMacks (talk) 03:37, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-29

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• "Wikimedia Labs" is now called "Cloud VPS". "Wikimedia Tool Labs" is now called "Wikimedia Toolforge". This is to help clarify the purpose of these services. [36]

Problems

• On some pages, the Table of Contents is not being shown. It will normally appear if you edit the page again. Investigation is currently ongoing. [37]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 18 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 19 July. It will be on all wikis from 20 July (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 18 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is: Migrate to HTML5 section ids. [38] The meeting will be on 19 July at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Page Previews, currently a Beta Feature, will be enabled for logged-out users for all remaining Wikipedias (with the exception of English and German) the week of 24 July. An A/B test will be run on English Wikipedia to collect data before approaching the community for further discussion. [39]

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22:59, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-30

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• CSS in templates will be stored in a separate page in the future. This will make it easier to make templates look good on mobile devices. This now works on mediawiki.org and Wikitech. It will come to more wikis later. [40][41][42]
• .mw-ui-constructive modifier class is deprecated and has been removed. [43]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 25 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 26 July. It will be on all wikis from 27 July (calendar).
• It will be possible to restrict who can send you notifications on a wiki. This new feature will accessible in your preferences, in the Notifications tab, on Wednesday, July 26. Please see the documentation. [44]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 25 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the Wikimedia Foundation July 2017 Metrics & Activities Meeting. The meeting is about how Wikipedia and the Wikimedia movement are perceived and understood by the world. The meeting will be on 27 July at 19:00 (UTC). See the agenda and how to join.

Future changes

• New Filters for Edit Review, at the moment available as a Beta feature, will be released by default for the Recent Changes in September.

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15:57, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Review

Hello DMacks, Sushant from Sushn345wiki here. I have written an article named Ortho-diethynylbenzene dianion. Would you please rewiew that article for me? It will be a great help.

Best wishes, Sushant Sushn345wiki (talk) 09:57, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-31

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• Some pages show the error Lua error in mw.wikibase.entity.lua at line 34: The entity data must be a table obtained via mw.wikibase.getEntityObject. This problem happens on pages with a Lua module that uses Wikidata. The developers are working on fixing the problem. You can fix a page by opening it for editing and then saving without changing anything. [45]
• Wikidata and German Wikipedia could not be edited for an hour on 28 July. You can read why and how we could avoid it in the future in the incident report.

Changes later this week

• Some wikis already have the larger and brighter OOjs UI edit page buttons. All remaining wikis except Commons will have these from 1 August. [46]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 1 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 2 August. It will be on all wikis from 3 August (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 1 August at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The default font in the edit window will soon change for some users. Instead of using the browser default it will be monospace. Users can change this in their preferences. This should only change this for some users on Macs and iOS devices. [47]

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21:45, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Arbitrary editorial abuse

DMacks, another reminder that you have yet to contact me to resolve this problem which constitutes an instance of shameful, arbitrary editorial abuse:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Luluplatz#Replaceable_fair_use_File%3ACheryl_Studer_May_2017.jpg

Luluplatz (talk) 22:28, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

I have nothing to add. In my opinion, the file is not "non-replaceable" in this context and fails wikipedia's policy regarding use of non-free content. DMacks (talk) 05:56, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

And what in the world is this non-free content business? Care to explain in plain English? Because I frankly do not understand. This is why your action strikes me as abusive. So yes, you still have something to add. Luluplatz (talk) 11:06, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Plain english: an image is "non-free" if the license owner (for example, a photographer, or his employer) has not explicitly given permission for that image to be used and reused in a wide range of contexts. It's not just that he doesn't charge you, but that he allows you to republish it and make modifications to it and include it in other works and even for you to sell copies yourself with no payback other than a citation/credit line.

Wikipedia only allows non-free images if it is impossible (or fairly unreasonable) that a free image exists or could be made that fits the same niche on this site. If a free image exists, it's against policy (and copyright/license law, in many cases) to use the non-free image. But it's okay to use the free image, exactly because the use is completely permitted by the "free" nature of it. A living person is an example of something that could easily be photographed. So if someone desired that a free image existed, just go take the picture and release it under free terms. It doesn't matter that maybe it hasn't been done, or that you (or anybody) can find an existing image like that. By policy, it's reasonably doable, so it's not allowed to use non-free instead.

For a lot of examples of what is/isn't allowed, see Wikipedia:Non-free content#Guideline examples. But for your specific case, it violated non-free content policy item #1: "No free equivalent. Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose." DMacks (talk) 03:42, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Sorry but this makes no sense. Your action and that of Wikipedia remain arbitrary and abusive. I obtained the appropriate permission to upload the image and yet you arbitrarily consider it a violation. Is it, as I suspect, that it personally bothers you to see her image on the page? Is someone else, as I suspect, behind the decision to take it down? I demand the image be restored immediately. Luluplatz (talk) 11:18, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

You did not provide sufficient evidence of permission, or the permission was not sufficient according to wikipedia policy. When you posted it, you wrote that it was "non-free", that there was only permission to use it "for her Wikipedia page". You then wrte "no other photos exist of the artist that would not violate copyright" (which seems to be an acknowlegement that this image also violates copyright in some way) and reiterated the "full rights to be used in the artist's page." That sort of limited use is indeed "non-free". So the file is non-free--you said so yourself implicitly and explicitly.

At Wikipedia:Non-free content, the policy is "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose.". The explanatory summary notes that this is not allowed for "the case for almost all portraits of living people". And as a specific example, it says "The following is a non-exhaustive list of examples where non-free content may not be used...Pictures of people still alive, groups still active, and buildings still standing; provided that taking a new free picture as a replacement (which is almost always considered possible) would serve the same encyclopedic purpose as the non-free image. This includes non-free promotional images."

So the image does not have a free enough license, you do not own the license yourself or otherwise have permission to change that fact, and therefore our site does not allow you to use the image in this context. I don't care who she is or what she looks like or anything about the article. I'm merely here to note what our rules are if you wish to edit the encyclopedia. DMacks (talk) 12:13, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Luluplatz -- I've read through your exchanges with DMarks (above) and regret to say that I have experienced the same frustration with him/her (see below). I agree with you -- his/her behavior is arbitrary and abusive, and I intend to pursue the matter with whoever he/she reports to. I am a columnist for a national newspaper, and am contemplating writing an article about this, because it speaks to the very real problem of modern-day journalism. Please feel free to contact me via my website -- (Redacted) -- and perhaps we can communicate about the problem you're experiencing with Wikipedia. Bruce Kluger (talk) 05:21, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

DMACKS -- WHY ARE YOU CONTINUING TO IGNORE ME?

I've now gone to The Wikipedia Foundation to lodge a complaint about you, and the person I've been communicating with asked me to try to reach a consensus with you, which I've done both on this page and the article's Talk page. But you've repsonded to none of my outreach. Are you intentionally ignoring me? Bruce Kluger (talk) 23:21, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I don't see that Dmacks is ignoring you. There are multiple responses to you in the above above threads, As Dmacks said, "We're all volunteers here, so I sometimes take a few hours to respond." Dmacks has not made any edits on Wikipedia since August 3. Being offline is perfectly normal. Taking this to the Wikipedia Foundation is a ridiculous escalation, and rightfully went nowhere. I wouldn't blame Dmacks at all for refusing to continue this discussion after your post here and your apparent threats to another editor involved in this [48]. Meters (talk) 17:59, 5 August 2017 (UTC)