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The Targ TEDTalks inquiry and license removal

Dear DVdm, I suggest you google:TED removes TEDxWestHollywood license: ideas that have 'failed to gain scientific acceptance'. 1 April 2013, There is more information on Targ's TEDTalks available here. Miistermagico (talk) 07:41, 14 January 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miistermagico (talk • contribs)

Like to see I bring happiness to others

Dear DVdm, Whatever pleases your fancy tickles me to death! Miistermagico (talk) 20:54, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Explanations needed

Hi! I think more explanations are needed re your reversion at kinetic energy for fluid flow. Please add them on article talk page.--109.166.133.121 (talk) 16:55, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Replied at Talk:Kinetic energy - DVdm (talk) 18:35, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Centripetal forces

Hi DVdm. You are of course right. While reading "centripetal force" I thought "centrifugal force", because it was the page I meant to visit. Sorry about this basic and shameful mistake, and thanks for catching it! --Pamdeur (talk) 22:38, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

@Pamdeur: no problem . Cheers! - DVdm (talk) 09:47, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

About Orbits and trajectory

Have nothing to add. Just wanted to make a reference to a trajectory on a planet being a simplification of a planetary orbit. If you throw a stone it is in a perfect orbit until the two objects make physical contact. Claiming it is a parabola without mentioning it is due to simplification makes people think earth is flat and forget being on the outside of a sphere and the stone thrown is traveling in space. Radial_trajectory — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.250.24.29 (talk) 15:58, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.17

Hello DVdm,

News

• The WMF has announced that Google Translate is now available for translating articles through the content translation tool. This may result in an increase in machine translated articles in the New Pages Feed. Feel free to use the {{rough translation}} tag and gently remind (or inform) editors that translations from other language Wikipedia pages still require attribution per WP:TFOLWP.

Discussions of interest

• Two elements of CSD G6 have been split into their own criteria: R4 for redirects in the "File:" namespace with the same name as a file or redirect at Wikimedia Commons (Discussion), and G14 for disambiguation pages which disambiguate zero pages, or have "(disambiguation)" in the title but disambiguate a single page (Discussion).
• {{db-blankdraft}} was merged into G13 (Discussion)
• A discussion recently closed with no consensus on whether to create a subject-specific notability guideline for theatrical plays.
• There is an ongoing discussion on a proposal to create subject-specific notability guidelines for chemicals and organism taxa.

Reminders

• NPR is not a binary keep / delete process. In many cases a redirect may be appropriate. The deletion policy and its associated guideline clearly emphasise that not all unsuitable articles must be deleted. Redirects are not contentious. See a classic example of the templates to use. More templates are listed at the R template index. Reviewers who are not aware, do please take this into consideration before PROD, CSD, and especially AfD because not even all admins are aware of such policies, and many NAC do not have a full knowledge of them.

NPP Tools Report

• Superlinks – allows you to check an article's history, logs, talk page, NPP flowchart (on unpatrolled pages) and more without navigating away from the article itself.
• copyvio-check – automatically checks the copyvio percentage of new pages in the background and displays this info with a link to the report in the 'info' panel of the Page curation toolbar.
• The NPP flowchart now has clickable hyperlinks.

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Christian Lorenz page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Lorenz

There is a user that post at the ip 213.48.224.56 that keeps on deleting sourced material on that page. He has for four times deleted material that had previous been sourced. Can you help out? Barrydjgummy (talk) 23:10, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

@Barrydjgummy: it looks like the problem is solved now: [1] and [2]. Cheers - DVdm (talk) 19:47, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Einstein's Earlier Publications and Connection to the Research Community

It's already on the Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientific_publications_by_Albert_Einstein You removed the item, you can put it back and cross-link to this article, if you feel that's appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:1401:86C9:222:69FF:FE4C:408B (talk) 02:01, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Gravity

Your article about gravity is slowly getting more even handed but still lags real time. It is a fact that the Standard Model does not recognize time dilation and its consequences in form of spacetime, spacetime gravity, special relativity and general relativity. It is also a fact that the Standard Model tolerates Newton's mathematical treatment of gravity without announcing it as part of the standard model. Since You profess to possess the required wisdom about this subject, why don't you update the article to closer reflect what is known and recognized about gravity today. Bengt Nyman (talk) 11:48, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

That was your final warning. If you try something like this again, you'll be blocked.- DVdm (talk) 12:04, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Showing authority

A good and honest user does not show his authority over other users. You may be blocked permanently by me or by others in the future for doing so. Somebody356 (talk) 16:10, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Somebody356 (talk) 09:35, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

See this discussion. - DVdm (talk) 09:58, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

And block log. - DVdm (talk) 07:38, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Avengers Endgame

I have a question about the Endgame We should not spoil the Endgame It should be a suspense It right Then give me your answer sincerely what's your opinion Rdjmcu (talk) 15:40, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

@Rdjmcu: our opinons are of no importance. Wikipedia's content guideline about spoilers is here: wp:SPOIL: "Spoilers are no different from any other content and should not be deleted solely because they are spoilers." - DVdm (talk) 15:43, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Ok I apologise for what I have done Rdjmcu (talk) 15:50, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

No problem! Happy editing . - DVdm (talk) 15:53, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Why?

Why did you delete my Toby Leonard Moore page edit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:ee0:4081:7902:3dce:fd1e:2b4e:6023 (talk • contribs) 10:09, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Please sign all your talk page messages with four tildes (~~~~) — See Help:Using talk pages. Thanks.

See the edit summary of my revert, and the message on your talk page. - DVdm (talk) 09:13, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

It doesn't do anything. Specific evidence is available on IMDb already. If you don't believe, try opening it again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:ee0:4081:7902:59c5:61d6:43e7:af62 (talk • contribs) 09:01, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Please sign all your talk page messages with four tildes (~~~~) — See Help:Using talk pages.

IMDB is not a wp:reliable source: anyone can put anything in there. - DVdm (talk) 09:26, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Why do you think so? 2001:EE0:4081:7902:5105:E679:FFA7:7AD4 (talk) 08:46, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

As you could have read if you had looked at the pointers in the messages that I sent you: "Content from websites whose content is largely user-generated is also generally unacceptable." List with examples at Wikipedia:Reliable sources#User-generated content. - DVdm (talk) 11:42, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

A year ago ...

"Welcome, and thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia."
... you were recipient no. 1924 of Precious, a prize of QAI!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:19, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Thanks, even if I'm here since slightly more than a year . - DVdm (talk) 11:44, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, but it took us until a year ago to see how precious you are ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:18, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Ah.... - Cheers! - DVdm (talk) 12:44, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

about your revert

what are you doing reverting my changes on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilias_Kasidiaris? i explained that the material i removed is Contentious material false or libelous information defamatory material maybe you made a mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acurate1 (talk • contribs) 15:56, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

@Acurate1: Please sign all your talk page messages with four tildes (~~~~) — See Help:Using talk pages. Thanks.

The content is properly sourced and seems relevant to other contributors. You must go to the article talk page and discuss with them. Otherwise you will get blocked. Do not forget to sign your talk page messages with four tildes (~~~~). - DVdm (talk) 15:01, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

sourced or not its against the rules you don't see that kind of personal or legal information publicly posted. 15:21, 13 May 2019 (UTC)Acurate1 (talk)

Others seem to disagree with you. That's what article talk pages are for. - DVdm (talk) 15:31, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

15:47, 13 May 2019 (UTC) ho disagrees with me you? cause the moment i publish the change you revert it back no one has the chance to disagree and how about the rules? content must not be Contentious material false or libelous information defamatory material how about human rights? https://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/FS_Reputation_ENG.pdf and https://www.echr.coe.int/documents/fs_own_image_eng.pdf 15:47, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Please sign all your talk page messages with four tildes (~~~~) — See Help:Using talk pages.

The idea is that you talk about it on the article talk page to find out who disagrees. See the rules about wp:edit warring and wp:CONSENSUS. Calling content that you happen to dislike "contentious, false, libelous or defamatory" in an edit summary, or here on my talk page is not sufficient. You can and must make your case on the article talk page. - DVdm (talk) 16:07, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Acurate1 (talk) 16:36, 13 May 2019 (UTC) i don't see any mention on the human rights implication i cited. i do not dislike the content you are drawing conclusions out here i just think in my opinion and my basic common sense the content i removed is defamatory. please answer if you think the content must be remove in the basis of european human rights mentioned here https://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/FS_Reputation_ENG.pdf and here https://www.echr.coe.int/documents/fs_own_image_eng.pdf Acurate1 (talk) 16:36, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

I have no personal opinion about the content. You have put a message on Talk:Ilias Kasidiaris. Excellent. Now you'll have to wait for the other contributors to respond and see what happens. If nobody replies within, let's say, two days, you can remove the content, but do make sure that you mention the article talk page in your edit summary. Example: "Removed defamatory content, see talk page." Good luck. - DVdm (talk) 17:08, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Meanwhile, someone has replied, so you can start a discussion to find wp:CONSENSUS now. - DVdm (talk) 17:12, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.18

Hello DVdm,

WMF at work on NPP Improvements

Niharika Kohli, a product manager for the growth team, announced that work is underway in implementing improvements to New Page Patrol as part of the 2019 Community Wishlist and suggests all who are interested watch the project page on meta. Two requested improvements have already been completed. These are:

• Allow filtering by no citations in page curation
• Not having CSD and PRODs automatically marked as reviewed, reflecting current consensus among reviewers and current Twinkle functionality.

Reliable Sources for NPP

Rosguill has been compiling a list of reliable sources across countries and industries that can be used by new page patrollers to help judge whether an article topic is notable or not. At this point further discussion is needed about if and how this list should be used. Please consider joining the discussion about how this potentially valuable resource should be developed and used.

Backlog drive coming soon

Look for information on the an upcoming backlog drive in our next newsletter. If you'd like to help plan this drive, join in the discussion on the New Page Patrol talk page.

News

• Following a request for comment, the subject-specific notability guideline for pornographic actors and models (WP:PORNBIO) was removed; in its place, editors should consult WP:ENT and WP:GNG.

Discussions of interest

• A request for bot approval for a bot to patrol two kinds of redirects
• There has been a lot discussion about Notability of Academics
• What, if anything, would a SNG for Softball look like

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Careful

When you reverted this edit, you said it was a removal of unsourced content. That content had an inappropriate tone, yes, and I'd be willing to grant that there was excessive synthesis, but it certainly wasn't unsourced. Please be more careful in your edit summaries. DS (talk) 21:06, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

@DragonflySixtyseven:: Hi Dragon. Have a look at the statement in that edit: "One has to wonder if they've seen all of the aforementioned evidence", and then check the cited source [3]. The statement is nowhere near in that source, so the statement was effectively unsourced. - DVdm (talk) 22:38, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

"Statements not in cited source" will do. DS (talk) 23:36, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Sure, that would have done. I'd be willing to grant that . - DVdm (talk) 08:01, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User talk:Certificatessuccess

A tag has been placed on your user page,^{(struck—see below)} User talk:Certificatessuccess, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be advertising which only promotes or publicises someone or something. Promotional editing of any kind is not permitted, whether it be promotion of a person, company, product, group, service, belief, or anything else. This is a violation of our policies regarding acceptable use of user pages — user pages are intended for active editors of Wikipedia to communicate with one another as part of the process of creating encyclopedic content, and should not be mistaken for free webhosting resources or advertising space. Please read the guidelines on spam, the guidelines on user pages, and, especially, our FAQ for Organizations.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. GirthSummit _(blether) 11:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

@Girth Summit: let it begone asap . - DVdm (talk) 12:02, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Our wish came true :) GirthSummit _(blether) 12:28, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Indeed. For the record, that was not my userpage as the above template seems to suggest. It was someone's user talk page, that I had created in order to warn them about their inappropriate promotional edits. Cheers. - DVdm (talk) 12:44, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Why

why did u remove my edit ur mean — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.67.95.180 (talk) 21:09, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Please sign all your talk page messages with four tildes (~~~~) — See Help:Using talk pages. Thanks.

I explained in my edit summary: "Correct, but not needed". Do not call people mean—see wp:assume good faith. The grammar was ok, and "both" is not needed in that context. Take it to the article talk page please. - DVdm (talk) 21:21, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

About the mistake in Minkowski diagram

Hi! This is Shuchong. About the mistake on page Minkowski diagram I recently edited, I believe I am right.

First, a few sentences after the formula \tan(\alpha)=\frac{1}{\beta}, there is a contradicting statement, “This implies that the slope of x′ is \frac {\Delta ct}{\Delta x}}=\beta =\tan(\alpha)”. I believe the first one is a typo. This is a really simple conclusion in any textbook on relativity. But currently I am looking for a proper citation instead of textbook to make my edit more convincing.

Second, I found out that on the same page in every other language, the formula is \tan(\alpha)=\beta. The english page is the only one where the formula is \tan(\alpha)=\frac{1}{\beta}. I believe the English version is wrong.

Thank you for you time! Shuchongding (talk) 19:06, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

@Shuchongding: Yes, you are correct. Here alpha is the angle between the x- and x'-axis. My mistake. Sorry. - DVdm (talk) 19:58, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Edits to the Adel name page

Hello! I made the edits yesterday to the page on the name Adel because it had a lot of unnecessary information (for example, 20 different pronunciation playbacks) and also included false etymology, with a incorrect list of people bearing the name. The European/Germanic name "Adel" is not related to the Arabic name "Adil/Adel" (as the page for "Adil" itself notes) or the Hebrew name "Adiel." I wanted to remove the incorrect information and examples, as well as the superfluous pronunciation guides.

Thanks for your note about leaving an edit summary. I thought I had left a clear enough one, but I haven't been doing this for very long so I'm still learning what the conventions are. 50.255.144.29 (talk) 13:23, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps it's best to open a little section on the article talk page first, and see what the other contributors think about removing that content. If nobody replies within a few days or so, you can probably go ahead and remove the content. Cheers and good luck! - DVdm (talk) 13:32, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		This is for your valuable efforts for countering Vandalism and protecting Wikipedia from it's threats. I appreciate your effort. You are a defender of Wikipedia. Thank you. PATH SLOPU 16:42, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Sir if I ...

Sir if I can't post anything even with reference what can I do in Wikipedia to start editing Satwik76875 (talk) 18:27, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Satwik76875, please start by reviewing Wikipedia's guidelines and editing practices. Thus far, you have only added unsourced commentary and forum links, neither of which is acceptable. You may start at WP:TUTORIAL. Lordtobi (✉) 18:35, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Help

Hi again, I need your help. Could you please give me the exact steps on how to permanently remove my Wikipedia account/profile or tell me where I can find out? Repent.The End is Near (talk) 19:50, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

@Repent.The End is Near: see Wikipedia:Username policy#Deleting and merging accounts. There are pointers such as courtesy vanishing / right to vanish. I hope this helps. Good luck. - DVdm (talk) 20:25, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

God Bless you Repent.The End is Near (talk) 20:56, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, but no thanks - DVdm (talk) 20:57, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Salvatore

Hi DVdm. Thanks for the deletion, at Ischia, of something that seems to be hardly relevant. As I tried to suggest in my edit summary, I was assuming it was ""Salvatore the Fisherman", July 1924, in Cosmopolitan" listed at List of works by W. Somerset Maugham. Your own edit summary comment seems to suggest that "Salvatore" is missing from, or may be mis-titled at, that article? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:54, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Martinevans123: I have here Maugham's "Collected Short stories", four volumes, Pengun Books. In vol 4 (ISBN 0-14-001874-3) there's one short story, "Salvatore", that just has that line about looking at the island. I don't know about Cosmopolitan, perhaps they had it with another title. In the story, Salvatore is a fisherman indeed, but the Penguin collection title is just "Salvatore". I don't think it's all that important, but I do think that mentioning it in the Ischia article is a bit undue. Feel free to amend the Maugham list article, or just add a little note about the Penguin edition . Cheers! - DVdm (talk) 19:15, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks, DVdm. There's nothing to beat having the actual book to hand. I certainly don't have any Cosmo's from 1924! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:10, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

They'd be worth a fortune! Or two - DVdm (talk) 20:30, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Oooh, don't torture me! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:01, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, DVdm

Thank you for peacefully giving your reason for removing the edit. My issue with this is that calling intelligent design is a prejudiced point of view & I will explain why. The best way to determine if a science based statement or theory is correct, is that the one who verifies it must look at it objectively if there isn't evidence for or against it when investigating. To put it into perspective, think of belief as a scale of 1 - 11. On (11) you have the side that has concrete evidence and on (1) you have faith. When one does research they must see to it that they are open to either side of the argument that has proof & presents all findings on (6) level so that others may interpret it for themselves.This (6), in terms of theistic belief, would be agnosticism because unlike atheism (11) it does not assert that there is no God, it does not assert that there is & it also doesn't call the argument of intelligent design an "illusion" (11). You seem like a reasonable person & I'm sure you understand my concerns. I didn't come to represent a religion but I almost became an atheist until I looked for convincing scientific evidence for the existence of God & now I am a theist because I put my religious belief on the line by searching for scientific evidence. Multiple modern non-religious scientists state that Evolution is unscientific, in fact, Charles Darwin himself never claimed it to be true. He only formulated this theory & gave his own reasons for it. I will no longer make any edits on this subject before consulting other users but I ask that you & other users revert to (6) at least & be open to new findings as this is what science is, a self correcting system. PLEASE consider this. Repent.The End is Near (talk) 15:17, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I think that your plan to "no longer make any edits on this subject" is a good idea. You might end up getting blocked. As others already explained, Wikipedia is not a debating club. Cheers. - DVdm (talk) 15:57, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

See also Talk:The God Delusion#Lack of objectivity when presenting information. - DVdm (talk) 15:58, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

I too would have removed the scare-quotes from illusion because the relevant question, in context, is not whether Intelligent Design is an illusion or not but whether or not it's accurate to say that Dawkins called it one. —Tamfang (talk) 05:21, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

i see your message

i see your message regarding specific relativity. article is not self-promotion but belief that the synoptic nature of the article would be interesting and helpful to anyone looking at this topic page. I can eliminate the reference to the author, which makes it seem self promotional. looking for your comment.Catalog1 (talk) 18:41, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Please put new talk page messages at the bottom of talk pages — See Help:Using talk pages. Thanks.

@Catalog1: only, if this particular content is mentioned in the established literature (i.e. backed by relevant wp:secondary sources), it could be included in Wikipedia. Otherwise it is regarded as wp:original research, and is not allowed here. Please see our wp:five pillars- DVdm (talk) 18:54, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

@DVdm: Yes this article was published in established literature: Journal of Applied Mechanics. It is not original research but is a secondary source condensing and commenting on Einstein's Theory and Lorentz' work. The article includes references and publication detail. Do you need further information before I request to post this article?Catalog1 (talk) 19:02, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

With this edit you tried to add an external link to someone's work—yours, of from someone with whom you are affiliated in some way? Anyway, Wikipedia is not the place for that—see pointers to various articles regarding our relevant policies and guidelines in the message on your user talk page. Specially wp:ELNO. Further information is unlikely to make the link appropriate. You can always propose on the article talk page to include it, but the chances are very small that the link will be accepted, and I think it will turn out to be a waste of your and the community's time. As you can see, in the mean time two three editors have edited the article, and they are likely to have seen your edit and to have approved my revert. - DVdm (talk) 21:22, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter July-August 2019

Hello DVdm,

WMF at work on NPP Improvements

More new features are being added to the feed, including the important red alert for previously deleted pages. This will only work if it is selected in your filters. Best is to 'select all'. Do take a moment to check out all the new features if you have not already done so. If anything is not working as it should, please let us know at NPR. There is now also a live queue of AfC submissions in the New Pages Feed. Feel free to review AfCs, but bear in mind that NPP is an official process and policy and is more important.

QUALITY of REVIEWING

Articles are still not always being checked thoroughly enough. If you are not sure what to do, leave the article for a more experienced reviewer. Please be on the alert for any incongruities in patrolling and help your colleagues where possible; report patrollers and autopatrolled article creators who are ostensibly undeclared paid editors. The displayed ORES alerts offer a greater 'at-a-glance' overview, but the new challenges in detecting unwanted new content and sub-standard reviewing do not necessarily make patrolling any easier, nevertheless the work may have a renewed interest factor of a different kind. A vibrant community of reviewers is always ready to help at NPR.

Backlog

The backlog is still far too high at between 7,000 and 8,000. Of around 700 user rights holders, 80% of the reviewing is being done by just TWO users. In the light of more and more subtle advertising and undeclared paid editing, New Page Reviewing is becoming more critical than ever.

Move to draft

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Notifying users

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PERM

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Thing Fish

Can we discuss it at the article.?-ApexUnderground (talk) 08:46, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Sure, that's what article talk pages are for. Go ahead. I'll have a look later today or tomorrow. - DVdm (talk) 09:05, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

@ApexUnderground: I went ahead already: see [4]. - DVdm (talk) 09:15, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

And, finally, [5]. - DVdm (talk) 10:33, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

trig changes

current image is incorrect and poor. The subject is complex and requires a detailed image. please change it back. The old image has cosine labled wrong.

Pvd (talk) 17:03, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

@Pvd: Let's discuss at the relevant talk page. See you at Talk:Trigonometry... - DVdm (talk) 17:58, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Le Sage's Theory of Gravitation

Apeiron is a reliable source. So is Stowe. To see them as unreliable is a subjective view based entirely on orthodoxy. And there is no OR. The conclusions are from Van Flandern, not from me. Also, there are plenty of articles on Wikipedia that have truly unreliable sources and OR and that are entirely biased and there are no reverts for them and not even any disclaimers. In fact, this article is biased and without any disclaimers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Capt. Ciel (talk • contribs) 15:19, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Please sign all your talk page messages with four tildes (~~~~) — See Help:Using talk pages. Thanks.

@Capt. Ciel: note that Wikipedia is actually about scientific orthodoxy — see wp:FRINGE and wp:DUE. Best practice (see wp:BRD) is to open a little section on the article talk page and discuss with the other editors of the article. - DVdm (talk) 15:26, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Being about orthodoxy goes against the pillar of neutrality. Taking the side of orthodoxy is not being neutral.Capt. Ciel (talk) 19:07, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Please indent your talk page messages as outlined in wp:THREAD and wp:INDENT — See Help:Using talk pages. Thanks.

Perhaps, but that is how Wikipedia was designed. See WP:5P2 - DVdm (talk) 20:39, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

I don't see my edits. It seems they were deleted instead of reverted. Capt. Ciel (talk) 23:12, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

See Special:Contributions/Capt. Ciel. If you have made edits that are not in that list, perhaps you forgot to logon. - DVdm (talk) 07:18, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

It's the edit you reverted and I was logged in, but I found it. There was definitely NO OR in it. Also, I think you know putting it in the Talk page won't do any good (altho I might try it anyways) because the system is rigged--most or all of the administrators are orthodoxers. And it makes artificial and arbitrary rules in favour of supposition-based orthodoxy, like orthodox science does, to exclude enlightened and progressive dissidents, who are based on empirical evidence. Capt. Ciel (talk) 18:32, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Better do the talk page: Wikipedia is heavily rigged on wp:CONSENSUS. This policy tends to trump most other policies. - DVdm (talk) 18:58, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Tidal force

Hi! I have seen your message. I have restored the paragraph after adding a reference as requested! --82.6.195.35 (talk) 23:09, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

I have removed it again, as most of the added content is not in the source. Only the formula is there. I removed per wp:unsourced and wp:no original research. See also wp:CALC. If you insist on adding the content, you can discuss on the article talk page at Talk:Tidal force#Free fall, but make sure to bring a source that supports everything you want to add. See also wp:BRD. - DVdm (talk) 07:04, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Ok, I expressed my point there. --82.6.195.35 (talk) 02:38, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Thx. Ditto . - DVdm (talk) 09:55, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

It's Not From Me

Hi Dvdm, I feel confused when I get a message from you on this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:203.78.116.212 because of an act of vandalism, because I never edited the article and never even opened it, but I found that the vandalism was written from my ip. The ip address was only used by my family, and I did not get a history from my family device that showed the existence of such vandalism. So what really happened to my IP address that was registered on Wikipedia? can give me any solutions? I have created a Wikipedia account. btw, sorry for my bad english, I'm not native and i new in wikipedia editing. Risesia (talk) 12:56, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Good that you have created a username then . - DVdm (talk) 15:59, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Your comments on my talk page

I'm not very sure whether you have added on my talk page as a administrator. I agree that we can discuss anything on my talk page, but I am not comfortable with on my talk page, if you are adding to my page, not as an administrative role. Could you please help to remove on my discussion page? Of course, we could continue our discussion, if there is anything we need to talk about. Thanks for your consideration.

Since you are an experienced user, could you please let me know who can decide when edit(s) are disruptive? Any users? Or administrators only? Thanks for your time :).

P.S. I'm not sure how to include administrators in this discussion (without reporting). Otherwise, I will include them for an open discussion to make things clear. Also, again, I have figured out synthetic research on my own and corrected myself, and nobody clearly advised me on this particular violation (every contribution/claim I made was proven in the page itself, therefore belonging only to synthetic research). Harry Princeton (talk) 21:41, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

@Harry Princeton: The warning icons come with standard warning templates. First level user warning has a . Second level warning has a . Third level warning has a . Fourth level—final—warning has a . After that someone might report you at some noticeboard, and one or more administrators might decide to block you for some time.

I already told you that you can remove almost any comment from your talk page in the comment that you removed with this edit, and that you said that you "don't need". See some guidelines about what you can do on your user talk page at wp:OWNTALK and wp:REMOVED, and, again, at wp:TALKO.

If you like to add some content to an article that gets reverted by users, and they tell you that it is unsourced or original research, then the place to go, is the article talk page. Before you go there, make sure that you have a source to supoort the content, and be aware that your own proofs are not accepted. You tried to enter original research, as outlined in the policy wp:NOR, and there is no such thing on Wikipedia as "synthetic research". Your proofs can be correct, but they do not count as wp:reliable sources. See, again wp:verifiability, wp:CALC, and wp:BURDEN, to which I pointed in the message that you removed on your talk page. If your proofs are not present in the literature, Wikipedia, as an encyclopedia, assumes that they are not worth being mentioned. That is by design—see wp:Five pillars.

In case of disputes, we have wp:dispute resolution. Be aware that administrators tend not to intervene with administratve tasks in content disputes, but they will do so where there are behavioural problems. Try to avoid those.

After having exhausted the first step of dispute resolution (article talk page discussion), as a second step, you could try the wp:No original research/Noticeboard, but don't forget to carefully read and follow the instructions before you do so. - DVdm (talk) 22:57, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

P.P.S. Yes, the violation was indeed a mix of novel synthesis (mainly drawing from Wikipedia page links) and nonconsensual routine calculations (BTW, I still think original research appears to me to be an inaccurate catch-all term, but your 2nd-level-warning comment covered these specific topics among others). Harry Princeton (talk) 13:34, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

@Harry Princeton: Another thing about talk pages: with this edit you just changed a message of yours to which I already had replied. Please do not do that. The reason is explained in wp:REDACT, which is, again, part of the wp:talk page guidelines. Your PPS has a better place immediately under my response. You also forgot to sign. Please take some time to carefully read the talk page guidelines and preferably also the recommendations at Help:Talk pages. Thanks. And, yes, there is a lot to learn here at Wikipedia... - DVdm (talk) 08:30, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Now it is immediately under your previous response, as requested. Harry Princeton (talk) 13:34, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

And now it is properly indented as in wp:INDENT. - DVdm (talk) 15:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

And now, I'm all good :). Harry Princeton (talk) 18:04, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Yep. By the way, regarding this, see this. - DVdm (talk) 18:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Thanks for supporting my recent albeit unsuccessful RfA. Your support was much appreciated. It was particularly heartening tjat editors like yourself continued to support even when the RfA went west. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:38, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7: well, West is from where the wind blows, right? . Thanks, cheers and see you around! - DVdm (talk) 09:22, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Comment regarding IP

You recently reverted a change to the "Normal Number" page on wikipedia and cited this IP: 132.62.88.128 (for the record, I personally have never been to that page, nor made changes to it).

While 132.62.x.x is the IP space for Kirtland AFB (publicly available information), this IP is not tied to an end user machine, and is instead a network level device on Kirtland AFB - hence, everyone on Kirtland who reaches the internet through that device (likely everybody, I would have to check with the NCC as to what device it specifically is, but I presume it is the border router that is NATing for the base, since my specific computer has a 129.238.x.x IP that is specific to my organization on base) and opens Wikipedia is getting this "you've been bad" message.

While I understand the reason behind "page security", to ensure the correctness of information (as much as possible) on Wikipedia, from this side of the equation, I have to provide you the same feedback - there is not a 'single editor' coming from the IP you are listing - it is a border device that likely handles most, if not all, standard internet traffic to/from the base. It would be impossible from your end to determine who the end user is that is making these changes.

There is a specialized group of investigators for the USAF who work for 24th Air Force who investigate malicious activity (malware, hacking, remote code execution, exfiltration, etc), however I doubt they would be willing to devote resources to finding the specific perpetrators of these "unwanted edits" using their internal logging capabilities.

This is common across all USAF bases - the only IP the "outside world" should ever see is our border router, and thus, knowing the actual perpetrator of "vandalism" (as wikipedia likes to call it) is virtually impossible.

131.15.136.129 (talk) 16:48, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

As twice indicated at User talk:132.62.88.128, please consider creating an account for yourself or logging in with an existing account so you can avoid further (possibly) irrelevant notices. - DVdm (talk) 17:01, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

I don't think you're understanding... the person who is responding to you is NOT the person who made the edit you reverted - I'm simply someone who understands (and has long worked with) the USAF network structure. You putting a "notice" to the User talk page for that IP does absolutely no good (or, conceivably exceptionally little good), because it is not an end user IP, and the person or persons you are addressing regarding the changes may never see your input, because the next person on base who goes to Wikipedia after you have made your comment (in this case, me) would be the one to see and clear the message.

By all means, continue to police the articles that are your specialty, I'm not saying to not do that... I'm simply letting you know that sending "threats" of blocking, and/or recommendations on corrective actions etc, to a non-end user IP address is... not helpful, for lack of a better way to phrase it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.62.88.130 (talk) 18:53, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Please sign all your talk page messages with four tildes (~~~~) — See Help:Using talk pages. Thanks.

Yes, I know that the person who is responding to me might not be the person who made the edit I reverted. That is exactly the reason why, in order to avoid possibly irrelevant notices, all these persons (including the "next person on base") are advised to create an account. That advice is standard practice in Wikipedia. Don't take it personal. - DVdm (talk) 08:44, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

My edit is sourced

The information I added in the lead from the Tucker Carlson article is developed and sourced in the personal life section. But I can use sources in the lead and even develop it further in the article as well. Ajñavidya (talk) 08:44, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

@Ajñavidya: This edit does not provide a source. See wp:verifiability anbd wp:BURDEN. - DVdm (talk) 09:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Re-read the personal life section, concretely the last paragraph. The sources for my edit are there. Ajñavidya (talk) 22:33, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

If you think that's sufficient to back the claim, then you can propose it on the article talk page. But note the the reason why user Comatmebro undid the edit. - DVdm (talk) 09:51, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Of course this information is important to his biography. The harassment incidents even led to a police investigation and the harassers continued intimidate his co-workers. There are other biographies in Wikipedia that have complete sections devoted to harassment even when they're not proved or based; nothing justifies the exclusion of this one which is backed by a police report and criminal investigation. Ajñavidya (talk) 07:12, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

You have to convince the other contributors on the article talk page Talk:Tucker Carlson. If the information is indeed important, you should have no difficulty doing that. - DVdm (talk) 07:52, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Need of citation of a source at Fermat number

Hi! I have noticed your edits at my talk page and at Fermat number. What exactly is the statement added by me which really needs a citation? The fact that Fermat numbers are terms of a numerical sequence (which is easily noticeable as the statement "The sky (without clouds) is blue" as specified somewhere here in some wikiprocedures) or the specification of main motivation of Fermat studying these types of numbers in regards to primality? This aspect re primality is already in article in a section but without explicit acknowledgement of main motivation. I think that is only aspect which requires citation. Thoughts?--109.166.129.57 (talk) 14:17, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

The statement added by this edit has no source. If it is indeed true and sufficiently important to say this in the article, then it shouldn't be too difficult to find a source for it — see wp:verifiability and wp:burden. You can also go to the article talk page and query thoughts from the other article contributors. Good luck! - DVdm (talk) 14:41, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

There are several edits by me, not all really needing citation. I understand from your diff that the main somewhat controversial edit is that at 13:36 about the simple enumeration procedure used by Fermat in the statement of the conjecture. Is it right?--109.166.129.57 (talk) 15:00, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Yep . - DVdm (talk) 15:38, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter September-October 2019

Hello DVdm,

Backlog

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This month's refresher course

Why I Hate Speedy Deleters, a 2008 essay by long since retired Ballonman, is still as valid today. Those of us who patrol large numbers of new pages can be forgiven for making the occasional mistake while others can learn from their 'beginner' errors. Worth reading.

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Issue concerning a fake flag in the system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:81.148.124.94 Hello, I been lead to you for vandalising a page, however I do never remembering editing this or looking at the page at all, I believe it is a shared ip. Thanks --Studios Universal (talk) 08:28, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello. There's nothing fake about the messages at User talk:81.148.124.94. That's why another message on that IP talk page says:

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If this is a shared IP address, and you did not make the edits referred to above, consider creating an account for yourself or logging in with an existing account so that you can avoid further irrelevant notices.

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Cheers - DVdm (talk) 10:20, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Rebuff of accusations.

HI User:DVdm, It is you who initiated and engaged in this edit war, when you sought to for invalid and trumped up reasons to remove my content which was not research (original or novel ) but derived from 1st principles, basic geometry and algebra, just deductive, the proof and explanation for why a hexagonal has a property or behaviour. Until you refute the math as being wrong, you have no right to remove the needed content. Until you do so please cease your edit war. Keep well, Abluegiant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abluegiant (talk • contribs) 12:19, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Please sign all your talk page messages with four tildes (~~~~) — See Help:Using talk pages. Thanks.

@Abluegiant:Wikipedia does not work that way: just take 15 minutes to actually read the policies as outlined in wp:NOR, wp:CALC and wp:BURDEN.

These are not accusations. It is policy. See also wp:edit warring and wp:BRD. After my very first revert (with warning) of your edit, you should have gone to the article talk page to explain why you think that Wikipedia policies should not be followed in your case.

If you don't want to end up blocked, I suggest that you (1) undo your edit in article Hexagon, (2) go to the article talk page Talk:Hexagon, and (3) go to the edit warring report page Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Abluegiant_reported_by_User:DVdm_(Result:_) and explain that you have done (1) and (2). Good luck. - DVdm (talk) 12:40, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

By the way, there is no need to reply here and on your user talk page. I have your talk page on my watch list. DVdm (talk) 12:46, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hello dear friend

         in this page        Majid Karimov
         https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majid_Karimov

Please help detractors delete the information without any explanation, this is a person and the page has links to everything that is written and links are posted on government sites. If possible, put a temporary key so that they can’t remove information from the page. Earlier, a key was set for this page. Thank you in advance for your help. Acer Comp (talk) 18:31, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

@Acer Comp: I will keep an eye on the page. If they persist, I will request page protection. Cheers. - DVdm (talk) 20:24, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much Acer Comp (talk) 06:30, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

My edit

You've asked me to leave you a message here if I have a question, so here I am. it can be very easily proven that ${\frac {a}{b}}<{\frac {a+c}{b+d}}$, one just need to multiply the equation by $b*(b+d)$. I added it because it's simpler and (in my opinion) cooler than just the average. I've tried to find a good source to it, but to no avail. Can it still be there without a source, or do I need to write a proof? Fr.dror (talk) 08:06, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

@Fr.dror: hi there. We don't need a proof, we need a source. See wp:NOR, wp:CALC, and wp:BURDEN. Cheers! - DVdm (talk) 08:15, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

But the "old" version is also unsourced; why is it preferable then? I restore the new version. And the proof is a routine calculation (just get rid of denominators, open brackets and cancel equal terms in both sides). Boris Tsirelson (talk) 09:36, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

@Tsirel: the old version is normally preferable because (1) it could be supported by some of the generic sources, and (2) it was de-facto accepted by all the other article contributors and readers. It could very well be that this new version, even if 100% correct, is nowhere to be found in the literature, and therefore it can be original research. So I suggest that you or user Fr.dror find a proper inline source, and stick it to the new version, of that you just restore the original version. TIA and cheers - DVdm (talk) 10:08, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

As for me, even if it is nowhere to be found in the literature (which is not easy to check), it is "petty original research" quite common in wikipedia (at least, in math articles). And I doubt that the "de-facto accepted by all the other article contributors and readers" version was ever found in the literature by at least one of them. Boris Tsirelson (talk) 11:06, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

But I try; here is one related. And another: "For one, if a/b < c/d, then a/b < (a+c)/(b+d) < c/d, so both this bogus average of two fractions and their real average lie between them." (posted by parudox at 2:08 AM on October 29, 2008) By the way, parudox apparently does not expect any credit for his original research... Boris Tsirelson (talk) 11:16, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

It's no big deal. If nobody has further objections, it will de-facto stay this way. That is, until someone else comes along with yet another nifty example . - DVdm (talk) 11:21, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

OK. Meanwhile, I've found (rather late) a third case: Suppose a/b<c/d are two positive fractions in simplest form and that a,b,c,d∈N, consider the fraction (a+c)/(b+d). You can check that this fraction is between the other two fractions. Boris Tsirelson (talk) 11:37, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Not a very reliable source—Wikipedia-wise. Of course there's an infinite number of rationals there. One of the reasons why Wikipedia needs sources, is to make sure that the content is worth being mentioned to begin with. Indeed, if no-one ever used this example in the literature, then it probably is not worth being mentioned in an encyclopedia . - DVdm (talk) 12:19, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Well, this is true, as long as we strictly follow the rule "inform, not explain". But we rarely do. Most math articles violate this rule, more or less (I think so). And most of our readers (rather than editors) need explanations desperately, and are angry not finding them. (See also User:Tsirel#Why_not_a_textbook.) There are a lot of published explanations, why there are rationals in between. Both our versions (old and new) are bad for many readers (including me a teenager) that prefer geometric explanations. For others, that prefer algebraic explanations, both are good; ask them, which is better. Anyway, we always choose, what to explain, and how. Maybe it makes sense, to always choose the most used (in textbooks) explanations. Or alternatively, to never explain at all. The former is tedious to implement. The latter cannot be enforced, since most new editors disagree (and we have IgnoreAllRules, after all). Boris Tsirelson (talk) 17:20, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Barnstar!!

		The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		This is for your valuable efforts on countering Vandalism and protecting Wikipedia from it's threats. I appreciate your effort. You are a defender of Wikipedia. Thank you. PATH SLOPU 16:30, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

@Path slopu: Thanks! - DVdm (talk) 20:23, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

I love wikipedia

	I love wikipedia
	Hello the dictation of hypotheses is incorrect. the correct dictation is hypothesis. this is my change. thanks Mzb1534 (talk) 16:17, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

@Mzb1534: see a dictionary. For instance https://www.dictionary.com/browse/hypothesis: plural of hypothesis is hypotheses. Referring to your edit, there are two of them: (1) the stationary aether hypothesis, and (2) the partially-dragged aether hypothesis. That's two hypotheses. If you have problems with the English language, please do not try to make grammatical edits in the English Wikipedia. Thanks. - DVdm (talk) 17:24, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

I love wikipedia

	I love wikipedia
	Thanks With best Regards Mzb1534 (talk) 13:03, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Goodbye !

Your kindness has permitted me to express some of my interpretations of special relativity in the talk pages. Merci beaucoup ! It contrast's with the attitude of French Wikipedia. After three years of fruitless discussions , they too admitted that some of my interpretations were correct but ... , immediately after that , they ousted me with an idiotic pretext ! In French we call that " le coup de pied de l'âne ..." !

Well I am 83 now , it's time to leave ...

A little secret : Professor Levy-Leblond had the kindness to confirm me by message , that my views of special relativity are correct. I expressed them in my Internet pages (see "the belt trick with Geometric Algebra " ... !).

Goodbye ! With my best wishes for You ! Chessfan (talk) 06:24, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

@Chessfan: Good luck, and goodbye—again. - DVdm (talk) 09:23, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter November 2019

Hello DVdm,

This newsletter comes a little earlier than usual because the backlog is rising again and the holidays are coming very soon.

Getting the queue to 0

There are now 805 holders of the New Page Reviewer flag! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog but it's still roughly less than 10% doing 90% of the work. Now it's time for action.
Exactly one year ago there were 'only' 3,650 unreviewed articles, now we will soon be approaching 7,000 despite the growing number of requests for the NPR user right. If each reviewer soon does only 2 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by every reviewer doing only 1 review every 2 days - that's only a few minutes work on the bus on the way to the office or to class! Let's get this over and done with in time to relax for the holidays.
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Our next newsletter will announce the winners of some really cool awards.

Coordinator

Admin Barkeep49 has been officially invested as NPP/NPR coordinator by a unanimous consensus of the community. This is a complex role and he will need all the help he can get from other experienced reviewers.

This month's refresher course

Paid editing is still causing headaches for even our most experienced reviewers: This official Wikipedia article will be an eye-opener to anyone who joined Wikipedia or obtained the NPR right since 2015. See The Hallmarks to know exactly what to look for and take time to examine all the sources.

Tools

• It is now possible to select new pages by date range. This was requested by reviewers who want to patrol from the middle of the list.
• It is now also possible for accredited reviewers to put any article back into the New Pages Feed for re-review. The link is under 'Tools' in the side bar.

Reviewer Feedback

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Second set of eyes

• Not only are New Page Reviewers the guardians of quality of new articles, they are also in a position to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged for deletion and maintenance and that new authors are not being bitten. This is an important feature of your work, especially while some routine tagging for deletion can still be carried out by non NPR holders and inexperienced users. Read about it at the Monitoring the system section in the tutorial. If you come across such editors doing good work, don't hesitate to encourage them to apply for NPR.
• Do be sure to have our talk page on your watchlist. There are often items that require reviewers' special attention, such as to watch out for pages by known socks or disruptive editors, technical issues and new developments, and of course to provide advice for other reviewers.

Arbitration Committee

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Machine ethics

Hi there, the edit on machine ethics was reverted due to plagiarism/copyright violation. Smojarad (talk) 16:25, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi there, apologies for leaving a vague commit message with regards to the removal of the table in the ethical frameworks section of the Machine ethics article. As Smojarad (talk) mentioned, adding the table was a copyright violation, and we are working to fix this right now. Thanks avnishna (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:34, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Ok & cheers! - DVdm (talk) 19:13, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Reverted edit in "Mass" article

Hi DVdm,

First of all I'd like to thank you for your interest in my edit, even though you reverted it. My first language is Italian, therefore please forgive me if I can't explain properly why I don't agree with you.

1) The link is a more authoritative source than the one you reverted to. No doubts that Einstein knows the subject a little bit more than the link you provide. Am I wrong?

2) Mass is an "extensive property", therefore I wrote it. Why do you prefer just "property"?

3) In the Einstein-Infeld's book I cited, at page 33 the authors explain that the methods to measure the "inertial mass" and the "gravitational mass" are different, (1) pushing a body by applying a mechanical force or (2) weighing the body on a scale. Whatever the method results always coincide. Their conclusions literally reported: "In modern physics the identity of the two masses is fundamental". Did I miss something? Please let me know what you think about it and if you have time help me to write more clearly the above-mentioned concepts. I'd like to edit it again and I would appreciate your help. Fabio Maria De Francesco (talk) 05:53, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

4) Please would you read two Wikipedia articles, "Velocity" and "Acceleration". I think that in the article we should prefer "change in velocity" over "change in acceleration". Do you agree? If not, why? As I wrote, not English but Italian is my mother tongue, therefore I might be missing something. Fabio Maria De Francesco (talk) 06:12, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

@Fabio Maria De Francesco: Hi. Referring to my revert, I really think that the original opening sentence was a better, more appropriate reflection of the article. For instance:

1) Einstein considered mass to change with speed, which has become an obsolete view—see section Mass#Special relativity,

2) The metaphysical concept of extensiveness is nowhere mentioned in the article itself, so it certainly does not belong in the first sentence of the lead—see wp:FIRSTSENTENCE,

3) See above,

4) Change in acceleration—Jerk (physics)—is nowhere mentioned in the articles Velocity and Acceleration. Acceleration is defined in terms of change in velocity.

Hope this helps. If you don't agree with this, you better go to the article talk page, where other article contributors will comment. Cheers. - DVdm (talk) 10:04, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

@DVdm: Hi,

1) I was talking about the Equivalence principle. This principle is part of the General relativity. I didn't mention Special relativity at all. Furthermore, since you think I'm wrong you should be coherent and delete the latest phrase of Mass#Phenomena which states: "Repeated experiments since the 17th century have demonstrated that inertial and gravitational mass are identical; since 1915, this observation has been entailed a priori in the equivalence principle of general relativity.".

2) Here I agree with you. Let's remove "extensive".

3) See above (1).

4) The original author of the article defines mass as "measure of its resistance to acceleration (a change in its state of motion)". Please, if you examine carefully that sentence you'd notice that acceleration is vaguely defined as a "change of state of motion". It means nothing to me. By re-phrasing in "resistance to changes in Velocity" permitted to remove that vagueness and permitted to briefly define it as a vector measure of speed, direction, verse. Furthermore I didn't subvert the original definition, since "acceleration" coincide with "change of velocity".

Unfortunately, I don't know how to move this dialogue to the talk page of the article. If you still think I'd better go there, I would appreciate your help in pointing me to the relevant Wikipedia's guidelines. Cheers, Fabio Maria De Francesco (talk) 16:01, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Here from Fabio Maria De Francesco's {{help me}} request. I would have to say I agree with DVdm. Additionally, this article has been tagged as Template:Too technical in the past, and per MOS:LEADSENTENCE, it should be as concise as possible. This is without getting into the technical details of it. — IVORK _Talk 23:53, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Double revert of my edit on Jill Liddington

You reverted two of my edits on Jill Liddington.

• I (sort of) understand the most recent edit on 13 November 2019 "Jill Liddington (926015390)"..
• However, by aggressively reverting my edits you also reverted a broken link I had fixed on 18 September 2019 (two edits ago) "Jill Liddington (916404145)"..

I saw you are using a tool called Huggle. Are you able to see which edits you are reverting? How could you have reverted an edit from nearly 2 months ago, which corrected a broken link? This makes me not want to participate in Wikipedia. Why bother if you and other admins are going to flagrantly disregard valid edits in the process? Kimdorris (talk) 03:40, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

@Kimdorris: Yes, when reverting, Huggle usually takes all the successive edits by the same author. I assumed that was ok, which apparently it was not. I restored the good part: [6]. My apologies. - DVdm (talk) 07:34, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

@DVdm: Thank you for correcting this mistake and for owning up to it. I appreciate your honesty and accept your apology. We all make mistakes now and then, especially those of us who are new here. Kimdorris (talk) 07:57, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

@Kimdorris: I tend to make at least one mistake per day—before breakfast, that is . Cheers and welcome! - DVdm (talk) 08:08, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Heh! Kimdorris (talk) 03:47, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Cf. my change to Mein Kampf

After you reverted the change I made there is now a "Cite error". Think again whether you consider this to be constructive. 93.224.102.195 (talk) 10:09, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Ha yes indeed. I had undone your edit because it added a new, unused tag name. If you had provided an edit summary for your edit, I would have spotted the mistake. I have removed the name altogether: [7]. Thanks! - DVdm (talk) 10:15, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

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SciencePhD

Hi DVdm, this is SciencePhD. I have the book where Stephanie Lawrence identified and tested for the six dimensions of everything, ("Our Six Dimensions," 2019. Discovery Publishing: Morrison. isbn: 978733325707) Where do I include this verifiable data source in the revision I typed. I can include the citation, I don't know where you relocated the revision. Thank you, Science PhD SciencePhD (talk) 03:21, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Please put new talk page messages at the bottom of talk pages — See Help:Using talk pages. Thanks.

@SciencePhD: I don't think this book will be accepted on Wikipedia without some solid wp:secondary sources — see wp:FRINGE and wp:DUE. - DVdm (talk) 07:36, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

The reminder of Taylor theorem

Hi DVdm You were right that the expression was correct, but with my suggestion the substitution is little bit simpler. I saw this only after I did undo to your undo. YoavDvir (talk) 09:09, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

@YoavDvir: Ok with me, if nobody else objects. Cheers! - DVdm (talk) 09:11, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Determination of the day of the week

I removed 2024 in the corresponding years as this should be updated in year 2023.

Thank you.

GoAheadFan95 — Preceding unsigned comment added by GoAheadFan95 (talk • contribs) 11:44, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Please sign all your talk page messages with four tildes (~~~~) — See Help:Using talk pages. Thanks.

@GoAheadFan95: Ok, so there's plenty of time. Please don't forget to provide wp:edit summaries for all your edits. Thx. - DVdm (talk) 12:38, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

User:Mike Matthews17

Hi I am going through a few random user talk pages as I've seen on some recent changes thing. Is there a way to recover the password for the original account above please? Mike2Matthews17 (talk) 10:58, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

@Mike2Matthews17: I have no idea what you mean, but I don't think that Wikipedia can help you recovering user passwords. Best is to put a {{help me}} template message on your talk page—click the link here to see how to. Good luck. - DVdm (talk) 11:09, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Tried recovering it but I did not use an email address so I'll use this one from now on. Another user suggested that to me. Mike2Matthews17 (talk) 12:18, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Evie’s paradox

Hi I’m new to editing on Wikipedia so I would like help with writing a professional sounding source. My paradox is What I was to know was that there was nothing for me to know.

I achieved this through through years of psychosis and grandiose thinking, thinking that I know everything there is to know Missevangelinegreen (talk) 22:19, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

@Missevangelinegreen: Yes, but you came to the wrong place for that. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and can only harbour content that is backed by solid, established, reliable sources. There is no room for wp:original research. Read all about it in our wp:Five pillars, specially the second. Follow the blue links to learn about the policies. Enjoy! - DVdm (talk) 22:44, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Software requirements

Hello User:DVdm I provided sourced information https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Colinrhammond&oldid=prev&diff=930733860 then got castigated for doing so then you tell me off for removing the reference... kindly advise. Colinrhammond (talk) 15:31, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

@Colinrhammond: hi, there was no source in this edit. See wp:RS. - DVdm (talk) 15:44, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

@DVdm: Hi, Updated with references, please would you kindly review and advise. Thanks. --Colinrhammond (talk) 16:37, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

DVdm, also see Talk:Software_requirements#Scopemaster and Talk:Requirements_analysis#Proposed_new_section where there is related discussion. - MrOllie (talk) 16:38, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Seems to need some wp:secondary sources, and, preferably, provided by someone else. DVdm (talk) 18:59, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

How about this ... Capers Jones https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capers_Jones, who has written 17 books on software says: "I am very impressed by ScopeMaster's ability to find a range of requirements problems, which might otherwise lead to costly bugs." also "I am delighted to see that the work of functional sizing from requirements has finally been automated." https://www.newswire.com/news/namcook-analytics-cto-capers-jones-and-scopemaster-offer-leading-20962123. That's three world experts in total, is that not good enough to qualify for a modest addition to Wikipedia...? Colinrhammond (talk) 22:45, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

To me that reads like a clear example of poorly disguised wp:PEACOCKy self-promotion. - DVdm (talk) 09:26, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Unwarranted reversion of edit

I clearly provided a source in my edit of the page speed. I truly hate the manner in which people like you ruin Wikipedia with your arbitrary domineering over others. The fact of the matter is that Myanmar and a handful of jurisdictions in the Caribbean use miles per hour on their road signs, I provided a source indicating that, and as much as I love Wikipedia, there’s a special place in hell for people like you who prioritise personal power trips over the spread of knowledge. 174.138.198.241 (talk) 13:36, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi. People like me merely try to make sure that Wikipedia's policies are followed. One of the policies is that wp:reliable sources are required. Blogs, such as this do not count as reliable sources. - DVdm (talk) 13:50, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter December 2019

Reviewer of the Year

This year's Reviewer of the Year is Rosguill. Having gotten the reviewer PERM in August 2018, they have been a regular reviewer of articles and redirects, been an active participant in the NPP community, and has been the driving force for the emerging NPP Source Guide that will help reviewers better evaluate sourcing and notability in many countries for which it has historically been difficult.

Special commendation again goes to Onel5969 who ends the year as one of our most prolific reviewers for the second consecutive year. Thanks also to Boleyn and JTtheOG who have been in the top 5 for the last two years as well.

Several newer editors have done a lot of work with CAPTAIN MEDUSA and DannyS712 (who has also written bots which have patrolled thousands of redirects) being new reviewers since this time last year.

Thanks to them and to everyone reading this who has participated in New Page Patrol this year.

Top 10 Reviewers over the last 365 days

Rank	Username	Num reviews	Log
1	Rosguill (talk)	47,395	Patrol Page Curation
2	Onel5969 (talk)	41,883	Patrol Page Curation
3	JTtheOG (talk)	11,493	Patrol Page Curation
4	Arthistorian1977 (talk)	5,562	Patrol Page Curation
5	DannyS712 (talk)	4,866	Patrol Page Curation
6	CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk)	3,995	Patrol Page Curation
7	DragonflySixtyseven (talk)	3,812	Patrol Page Curation
8	Boleyn (talk)	3,655	Patrol Page Curation
9	Ymblanter (talk)	3,553	Patrol Page Curation
10	Cwmhiraeth (talk)	3,522	Patrol Page Curation

(The top 100 reviewers of the year can be found here)

Redirect autopatrol

A recent Request for Comment on creating a new redirect autopatrol pseduo-permission was closed early. New Page Reviewers are now able to nominate editors who have an established track record creating uncontroversial redirects. At the individual discretion of any administrator or after 24 hours and a consensus of at least 3 New Page Reviewers an editor may be added to a list of users whose redirects will be patrolled automatically by DannyS712 bot III.

Source Guide Discussion

Set to launch early in the new year is our first New Page Patrol Source Guide discussion. These discussions are designed to solicit input on sources in places and topic areas that might otherwise be harder for reviewers to evaluate. The hope is that this will allow us to improve the accuracy of our patrols for articles using these sources (and/or give us places to perform a WP:BEFORE prior to nominating for deletion). Please watch the New Page Patrol talk page for more information.

This month's refresher course

While New Page Reviewers are an experienced set of editors, we all benefit from an occasional review. This month consider refreshing yourself on Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features). Also consider how we can take the time for quality in this area. For instance, sources to verify human settlements, which are presumed notable, can often be found in seconds. This lets us avoid the (ugly) 'Needs more refs' tag.

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Society for Scientific Exploration

Hello. As you see there is no source for "The journal is indexed in EBSCO Information Services, which provides a range of library database services." You must log in to any database service to find whether or not a specific journal is indexed there or not. Therefore, it is requested to undelete my edit, or you may want to verify my edit by checking the following links: Scopus (Click here), Scimago (Click here), and DOAJ (Click here)

I would re-add the edit, however, if you think that it is needed to add the sources in other way, I would be very pleased if you add them on my behalf because I am a beginner, and the Wiki environment is not very familiar to me. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohammad Javanshiry (talk • contribs) 10:19, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Please open a little item on the article talk page, so the other editors can comment. Thanks. - DVdm (talk) 10:48, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Do you mean the title? I shortened it. Please, change it if it's still improper. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohammad Javanshiry (talk • contribs) 12:45, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!!

Hi Dvdm, thanks for all you do on Wikipedia. May you have a wonderful Christmas and a Happy New Year. (and if you don't celebrate Christmas please feel free to take that as a Happy Hanukkah, a great Dhanu Sankranti, a blessed Hatsumode, or whatever holiday you want to insert there.) Zaereth (talk) 09:55, 25 December 2019 (UTC)