User talk:DankJae/Archives/2024/March

Wrexham urban area

I hope contacting you using this feature is fine with you anyway I felt like giving my reason for the urban population being different from the 2021 census "built up area" I felt it was inconsistent so I used this site https://www.citypopulation.de/en/uk/cities/walesua/ that has it all the same stats except there is no longer a drastic population drop off since 2011 also I could not find stats for St Asaph or St David's. thoughts? Editor account 2222 (talk) 12:57, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

"All population figures and depicted boundaries are based on output areas officially assigned to the 2022 built-up areas and combined like the 2011 built-up areas. Output areas often include some unbuilt parts. However, tabulated area figures refer to (typically smaller) actual built-up areas in order to present a more realistic population density. Some of the 2001 figures are approximate values." extract from the site Editor account 2222 (talk) 13:01, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

@Editor account 2222, Citypopulation.de is a WP:SELFPUB with dubious reliability so prefer not to use it. The ONS reduced Wrexham’s BUA and as the main source for these “urban areas” their use probably matters. And as local to Wrexham, the areas included in 2011 didn’t make sense, and 40,000 more correct. I raised a discussion at Talk:Wrexham on the issue. DankJae 13:02, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

makes sense now that I remember 2001 census put it closer to 40,000 but I was just doubtful at first since the major cities in south wales sprawl up into the valleys. anyway thanks Editor account 2222 (talk) 13:20, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

@Editor account 2222, my only issue with adding the urban areas is that I don’t think most consider Cwmbran part of Newport for example. Best trim to the Newport BUA subdivision. DankJae 13:30, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Brecon Beacons split

Just a quick heads up. You pinged two users to that discussion apparently based on their previous support of a split. The discussion is informal and it's not a big deal here, but you might want to be careful of WP:CANVAS. I may have misread the situation too, so to be clear, I don't see any harm this time - more just a heads up to avoid the appearance of something. E.g by posting at Wikiproject Wales instead. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:25, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Sirfurboy, yes yes I am aware, it's just the previous two opposers didn't seem active anymore so felt no worth of pinging them. Happy to post to the project. DankJae 11:50, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Relief map of Wrexham

Hi DankJae - close study of your very nice labelled relief map of Wrexham County Borough has allowed me to do the same for Monmouthshire. Many thanks. One question. When I hover over it, I get a pop-up label that says "Monmouthshire is located in Monmouthshire". That's not very informative! Any idea how I change it/get rid of it? KJP1 (talk) 08:27, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@KJP1, use the alt parameter to replace the autogenerated label. Just did for Wrexham, and I think it works. DankJae 12:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Ah - much better. Muchas gracias. KJP1 (talk) 12:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Lee Waters

why have you deleted TRUE FACTS regarding Lee Waters resignation? Please reinstate asap 2A00:23C6:8A0F:3501:B540:957C:C871:722 (talk) 23:11, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Most of its still there, just reduced the focus on quotes, which isn't necessarily facts. DankJae 23:17, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

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Thank you for leaving a comment! DankJae 18:14, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Question regarding Welsh Wikipedia

Hello there,

I notice that your profile includes a box stating that you no longer contribute to 'Welsh nationalist Wikipedia', which links to the Welsh-language Wicipedia, and includes its logo.

I think that it is problematic to declare that all contributors to the Welsh-language Wikipedia are 'nationalists', as you are saying essentially that they are all of a certain political belief, and the impression given is that it is one you disagree with. This sort of generalisation is unkind at best, and prejudicial at worst.

Many contributors to the Welsh-language Wikipedia contribute to the English-language Wikipedia also. I wonder whether they are aware that, according to you, they would automatically be 'nationalists'? You are very engaged in Welsh and Wales-related topics here, and so this assumption on your part does call in question your biases. You and others have previously called out others for their preceived 'agendas': where does this leave you, then?

I'm not looking to call you out or claim some sort of moral high-ground. I am asking rather whether you would reconsider your position, in the interest of consistency and fairness? Also, I hopefully don't need to explain to you that Welsh-speakers are not a homogenous group, and have many different political beliefs - as much as anybody else. Drewgii (talk) 12:13, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) - Obviously, DankJae will respond in their own way in their own time, but noting they are away and have limited availability for Wikipedia just now, I thought I'd make an observation or two. I've seen a lot of DankJae's work as I also edit extensively on Welsh topics. I have always found their editing to be scrupulously neutral. My guess, and it is only that, is they encountered editors with a strong Welsh-nationalist POV on the Welsh Wikipedia, and that led to their no longer participating there. Certainly they, and I, and many others, have experienced Welsh-nationalist POV editing here on the English Wikipedia, and it can be very problematic, and exhausting, to deal with. One other thought - you registered your account today, and this is the first, and only, edit you have ever made. Isn't that a little...odd? KJP1 (talk) 13:47, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm sure there are countless instances of people pursuing POV edits on Wikipedia, whether they be 'Welsh nationalists' or any other kind of nationalist. The same couild be said of 'British nationalists', being the other side of the coin. If somebody were to incude a box in their user page saying that all English-language contributors in the UK were 'British nationalists', then I'm sure they'd be deemed unreliable and biased. I'm not sure why calling Welsh-language Wikipedia 'Welsh nationalists Wikipedia' is different. It is a disparaging generalisation, and unfair.

Do you not agree that DankJae's assertion is problematic? It certainly does not assume good faith, and is quite contrary to being "scrupulously neutral", as you say. If that is the case, I'm sure they would recognise this, and maybe reconsider their accusations. Also, what relevance does the fact I've made an account today have? I too have in interest in Wales-related topics, and that's how I came across DankJae's page, as they are very active in this regard. Drewgii (talk) 14:10, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I added it in frustration after having a small dispute there and being labelled “anti-Welsh” and threatened with a ban because an admin disliked my edits here, and then having many of my edits there reverted all at once. But I accept, it may be too generalising and appreciate the good articles and editors there when there is some. Although I still believe parts are still POV, nonetheless will keep it to myself.

You connected to Wicipedia? Nonetheless I don’t wish to associate with it, likely to the pleasure of some of them there. Regards DankJae 14:49, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I am not connected to Wicipedia, no, but I do know of work done by staff at such organisations as the National Library of Wales, and various other projects that pull together specialists from other fields and organisations. I am not comfortable with the not-very-subtle suggestion that they would all be deemed, by default, 'nationalists' for having edited on Wicipedia. There is good work done, and it is a shame to see it thrown into question so off-handedly because of a bad experience you've had with presumably a handful of individuals.

Should such staff, for example, edit on English Wikipedia, they would presumably not be granted good faith by yourself, based on your user page. I don't think that this is constructive, and if Welsh-langauge Wikipedia is to be treated as such, we could easily end up with a sort of segragation, which would be a great loss, as there are many, many specialists in Wales and Welsh matters who speak Welsh and who would not welcome the accusation levelled at them. Drewgii (talk) 15:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I know which specific editors must be watched but there indeed are many I do also appreciate and view them as good faith and leave be. If the userbox, added in frustration gave that impression, I apologise. Yes I may have come in contact with the more aggressive bunch because I edit and critique sensitive topics here, pushing for neutrality or policy as much as I can. There is in-evidently a divide as “staff” cannot edit on English Wikipedia. DankJae 17:06, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

And tbh, the whole reason I added that is because I was exactly labelled as basically a "British nationalist" aka "anti-Welsh" at Wicipedia and users there call this Wikipedia "English nationalist" or "Unionist", so they have been throwing generalisations way longer and earlier.

But I wish this discussion put to bed, I shouldn't have acted in the same disparaging way as some there do. DankJae 19:07, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Heads-up

There's a sockmaster, whose previous accounts have been blocked, active at Camp Nou right now. You reverted and improved some of their disruption, but I found it easier to go back to a version (again) from before they were blocked. I wasn't reverting you, but the page history shows it that way because I just took the article all the way back. Fred Zepelin (talk) 16:41, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

@Fred Zepelin, ok. If its related to Catalonia too, then noticed it. DankJae 16:56, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Yep, definitely same guy. Thanks for the catch. I'll recommend that for PP too. Fred Zepelin (talk) 16:58, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

@Fred Zepelin, back to Camp Nou, do I re-instate my edits? "under-renovation stadium" sounds off, and unusual emphasis, but fine to leave it for a bit. And the Spotify addition was cited, however, fully understand WP:BE in this case on the sockmaster, and tbh only found that article after seeing the sock's work and investigation at Catalonia. DankJae 17:01, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh wait, you started the SPI's, thanks! DankJae 17:03, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Well, I'd like to get the page protected first, and then go to work on improving the lead. You're right, "under-renovation stadium" is a little clunky, and those aren't my words (I don't think), but it can definitely be improved. As for the Spotify bit, the sourcing was to fcbarcelona.com and most secondary sources are still using just "Camp Nou". As the sponsorship is temporary (4 years), I feel relegation to the body of the article for the naming rights deal is appropriate. It's down there, with some secondary sources. Fred Zepelin (talk) 17:06, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Ah ok, happy to wait. If a stadium is sponsored there is usually "known as [name] for sponsorship reasons", but if it is still the early days and only used by few sources then I guess it isn't needed for now. DankJae 17:09, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Your wording on the intro paragraph was better, I re-incorporated it now that the page is protected. Fred Zepelin (talk) 17:55, 30 March 2024 (UTC)