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Still, for one parameter it is utterly useless to use such a complicated method that looks out of place, is not common practice and looks hideous in the article. If you really want to have the signature in the article, just insert it as an image under the infobox. It's not a must to have everyone's signature in Wikipedia. :) Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 12:46, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

@Teemeah: I'm not picky one way or the other regarding the presence of the signature. However, if you would do the honors of removing the signature= line entirely and providing an appropriate edit summary, this will prevent people being confused in the future. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 17:40, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello Davidwr

If you have a moment, would you mind lending your voice to the deletion discussion relevant to Kashif Saleem? I would appreciate your input.--Jpworth3rd (talk) 16:51, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Done. Unfortunately, the only reference that would show that this person has received significant coverage independent of the company is tainted by his previous employment relationship with the publisher. This is one of those cases where you may need more time, so moving to Draft: may be a better outcome than deletion. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:10, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-26

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Future software changes

• You will no longer be able to upload files on wikis that do not have any copyright tags. [9] [10]
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07:20, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Draft:Remote fuel propulsion

Good Day Davidwr. I do not feel that the prior reviewer's statements have any validity, since they clearly indicated with their own words on their own talk page that they were being arbitrary in their decision making process. If you do plan on reviewing this article, please keep in mind verifiability, and WP:CALC. Math is neutral. If there are specific problems, I would be happy to address them directly. I have made modifications to the article based on actionable suggestions. Thank You. Matthewhburch (talk) 01:29, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Another note. I see that the article is still listed as being a part of two irreconcilable groups. "Pending AFC submissions" and "AFC submissions declined as an essay" It's either pending, or declined. Can you resolve this issue? Matthewhburch (talk) 01:38, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Re: "Pending AFC submissions" and "AFC submissions declined as an essay" It's either pending, or declined. The term "Pending AFC submissions" means it is currently pending. The term "AFC submissions declined as an essay" means it was declined at some time in the past as an essay. This puts the page into multiple Wikipedia categories. This categorization is another reason why these old "decline" templates need to be kept as long as the page has not been accepted. When this categorization system was designed several years ago, the decision was deliberately made to allow for multiple "decline" templates as well as zero or one "submission pending" templates to be on a page at the same time, with the page put into all of the appropriate categories. In other words, there is a logic to this, even if it appears by a "plain English" reading that it's illogical. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 06:37, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

I see no indication in the article history that you ever reviewed the article, you merely made edits and comments. I do appreciate the comments you made, because some of them were valid, but they were not part of a review, and have been addressed. I have even rewritten the final sections of the article to make them unmistakably verifiable, and mathematically irrefutable. Unless you can provide a link to a Wikipedia rule that requires that I must allow review data from a self-declared arbitrary reviewer to remain on the draft page, or requires that I must retain addressed comments from a non-reviewer, do not restore the changes. If you do restore the changes, then I would appreciate it if you would also include a link to where I need to go report the behavior of reviewers who make up their own rules. Matthewhburch (talk) 03:56, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Atleast 50 socket puppet exits of redacted

115.178.100.18 (talk) 09:38, 23 June 2014 (UTC) Contents of comment redacted. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:32, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

The proper place to report this is through WP:AN/I, WP:SPI, one of the administrative mailing-lists, one of the administrative IRC channels. I am not an administrator and I do have enough experience in sock-hunting to verify the claims. I did notice a few days ago that at least one of the names you listed was involved in an SPI of someone or other, but the determination was made that it was not the same editor as the puppet-master listed in that particular SPI. Again, please report this through one of the established venues for reporting suspected sockpuppets, not here. Thank you. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:32, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Draft:Propulsion methods utilizing fuel accelerated from a remote fuel source

@Davidwr:Thank you for your comments on the draft page. I would appreciate it if you would check to see if I have addressed your concerns. Matthewhburch (talk) 06:02, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

It will be at least a few hours possibly a day or two before I can give you more feedback. It's time to turn off Wikipedia for awhile and get back to enjoying the rest of life. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 06:30, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

@Davidwr:Thank you again. I will spend that time generating a energy analysis of the example I used in the draft. Because you have been working with me, and have not had an opportunity to respond to some of my comments, I will not interfere with the comments that we went back and forth on. I did, however, add robotic refueling to the "Examples of Remote Fuel Methods" section, because you are right, it is a remote fuel method. It's orbital and terribly inefficient, but it is a remote fuel method. Matthewhburch (talk) 08:21, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Draft:Saleem (Company)

Hi David,

I see you have left this article in a 'being reviewed' state. Is that because of your comments about deletion review (etc)? I'm not criticising, I'm just interested. Based on your comments I would have deferred to you on any future review anyway. Fiddle Faddle 08:40, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:53, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-27

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06:53, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Stephanie Adams

Please stop by to add your comments to the discussion on Adams' African America heritage. A pending change is awaiting your input. Pkeets (talk) 15:09, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

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FYI about tools

Just FYI we are working on a template to add back to the Wikiprojects ones all the tools and watchlist are back up and running see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 135#Help making a template. Just waiting for the watchlist links to work. -- Moxy (talk) 20:22, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Draft:Mansion House - Hurstpierpoint

Very pleased to have your insight and further reviews on the article. Toby Lott has taken on a huge undertaking for his first foray into Wikipedia. Technically you could probably accept this now. The OTRS template is, at present, sufficient, but I think your caution in awaiting the formal approval is justified. It also gives Toby Lott some further time to source additional references if such be available.

I'm sure this will be altered radically once it hits as an accepted article. This is why I am hoping Maggie Henderson's permission also extends in her eyes to the upload of her report as background material. Technically it does, but it is she who needs to make the source document available to us (probably me) to upload. I see the same OTRS ticket applying to it. Fiddle Faddle 08:19, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

@Timtrent: The OTRS ticket only applies to what it says it applies to. If the necessary permissions to upload the background material as free content aren't supplied, you can't upload it. It very likely will not qualify to be uploaded as non-free content under WP:NFCC. Besides, WikiScholar is probably the best Wikimedia project to house such background material. Archive.org is another place. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:59, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

The author of the paper has requested by email to me that the original paper be not uploaded. That has solved the issue of the upload. It does, however, make it an interesting challenge to use it as a reference. This will make the finding of more and more references that are accessible very important indeed. Fiddle Faddle 21:42, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

If the papers that are to be deposited with the records office actually get deposited, that may solve most of the referencing issues. Unsourced material can be removed later, and of course opinions should be removed as well. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:49, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I wonder if you would take a moment to make the point about the depositing of the papers to the article author? While he and I have a decent working relationship he is not at all 'within' the world of Wikipedia and an additional voice would be beneficial. Fiddle Faddle 07:04, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I just dropped a note on his talk page, at User talk:Toby Lott#Draft:Mansion House - Hurstpierpoint. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 15:03, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Comments on depositing of the papers noted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toby Lott (talk • contribs) 15:45, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-29

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• You can now read a summary of the Wikimedia technical report for June 2014.
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Future software changes

• CirrusSearch will be enabled as the primary search method on the Dutch (nl) and Japanese (ja) Wikipedias on July 14, and on the Polish (pl) and Russian (ru) Wikipedias on July 16. [44]
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• Pages that use {{DISPLAYTITLE:''title''}} more than once will soon show a warning. You can use {{DISPLAYTITLE:''title''|noerror}} to hide it. [48] [49]
• Pages that have the list of references added automatically will soon be added to a tracking category. Administrators will be able to configure the name of the category on their wikis. [50] [51]
• Administrators will soon be able to easily merge histories of two pages using Special:MergeHistory. [52] [53]
• Administrators will soon see links to delete files on Special:ListFiles. [54]

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07:49, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Proposal re June BED

There is a proposal at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/June_2014_Backlog_Elimination_Drive#We_need_a_conclusion that merits your consideration Fiddle Faddle 16:49, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-30

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• The tool that stores information about languages (CLDR) was updated to its latest version. You can still help translate language names into your own language so they can be used in the sidebar and other places. [58]
• Translation memory for newly translatable pages should now offer more suggestions. [59] [60]
• A tool to convert MediaWiki pages to LaTeX is now available on Tool Labs. [61]

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• Tablet users visiting the mobile version of Wikimedia wikis will be able to use a special version of VisualEditor starting on July 31. You can test the new tool by choosing the beta version of the mobile view in the Settings menu. Feedback is welcome. [62]
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Future software changes

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• You can give comments about the new version of Winter, a proposal to have a fixed toolbar at the top of wiki pages. [72]
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07:42, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-31

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• You can now create, edit, and view HTML comments in VisualEditor. [75] [76]
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• If you try to use a template which has no suggested or required parameters in TemplateData, you will now be asked to add the parameters. [78] [79]
• You will no longer be able to edit a page if you can't create it, for example on pages protected against recreation. [80] [81]

Future software changes

• You will soon be able to filter Meta-Wiki's user rights log by wiki and user. [82] [83]
• Wikidata will soon be able to store data about article status, for example "good article" or "featured article". If your wiki has highlighted content, please make sure it is on Wikidata's list. [84]
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08:09, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Mansion House - Hurstpierpoint

David, what is the current status? I see you are editing. Toby — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toby Lott (talk • contribs) 19:22, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

There is partial OTRS progress. The material has been pushed back for a clearer release and licence. I have left a note on Toby Lott's talk page. Fiddle Faddle 06:35, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

OTRS Permission Now Granted

Hello, I received an email from the permissions team to say they have everything and that they have sent the confirmation required to remove (Mansion House - Hurstpierpoint) out of draft and into an article. Have you seen that ? Toby — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toby Lott (talk • contribs) 05:43, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. The article was already in the main encyclopedia by the time I saw your notice. Thanks for all you did to make this happen. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 17:30, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-32

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Tech News updates

• Tech News will be presented at the Wikimania 2014 conference in London! If you will be attending the conference, please join us in Auditorium 2 at 14:30 local time on Sunday, August 10.

Recent software changes

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf16) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on July 31. Due to the Wikimania 2014 conference, it will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on August 12, and to all Wikipedias on August 14 (calendar). [87]
• You can now test a new tool to render wiki pages as PDF files. [88] [89] [90]
• You can now download an update to the archive of Wikimedia Commons files (uploaded up to December 31, 2013). If you have free space on your computer, please help preserve the files. [91]
• New users using the mobile Commons site now need to make 75 edits before they can upload a file. [92] [93]

VisualEditor news

• You will no longer see an edit confirmation message after making a null edit with VisualEditor. [94] [95]
• VisualEditor will no longer change underscores to spaces in category sort keys. [96]
• Many bugs that resulted in inserting the pawn and snowman symbols were fixed last week. [97] [98] [99] [100]
• Several bugs related to the use of references were also fixed. [101] [102] [103] [104]

Future software changes

• You will soon have a user option to watch pages where you revert edits. [105] [106]
• All Toolserver data will be deleted in September. If you want to back up your data, contact Toolserver administrators before August 31. [107]
• Pages in the Translations: namespace on wikis using the Translate extension will no longer be indexed by search engines. [108]

Problems

• Wikivoyage wikis were broken for about 45 minutes on July 29 due to a configuration problem. [109]
• Some users were not able to log in on test wikis and MediaWiki.org between July 31 and August 1. The problem is now fixed. [110]

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07:37, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

00:39:54, 6 August 2014 review of submission by Bylt2119

• Bylt2119 (talk · contribs)
  • Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/e-Century Publishing Corporation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Dear David, I add some updated information on to this item, and would like to have your advice on if it is appropriate to resubmit this article. Given that this publisher is publishing four SCI indexed journals and 14 PubMed-abstracted journals, could it be considered as "notable" enough here?

Thank you in advance for your kind help.

Bylt2119 (talk) 00:39, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

@Bylt2119: I'm not doing much editing these days, please repost the above at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:54, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-33

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• Due to the Wikimania 2014 conference, there were no MediaWiki changes this week. The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf16) will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on August 12, and to all Wikipedias on August 14 (calendar). [111]
• Bureaucrats on all Wikivoyage wikis are no longer able to merge two accounts into one. [112]

VisualEditor news

• Tablet users visiting the mobile version of non-Wikipedia wikis will be able to use VisualEditor starting on August 12. The feature will also be enabled on all Wikipedias on August 14. [113]

Future software changes

• Internet Explorer 6 users will soon see a JavaScript-free version of Wikimedia wikis; JavaScript tools and scripts will no longer work on that browser. If you use Internet Explorer 6, make sure to update to a newer browser! [114] [115] [116]
• If you visit a special page that requires you to be logged-in, you will soon be automatically redirected to the log-in page instead of seeing a warning. [117] [118]
• You will now always see recent changes to the source language text when editing a translation with the Translate extension. [119] [120]
• An IRC meeting to discuss VisualEditor will take place on August 14 at 09:00 UTC on the channel #wikimedia-office on freenode (time conversion). [121]

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07:43, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

sorry!

Hi Davidwr! sorry for not including all the changes in the editing area. I re-check the Cristopher Ballinas Valdes Article, and send the editing, and I think I include everything in the summary. Sorry, won't happen again.

Marthamsigler

Marthamsigler (talk) 19:56, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-34

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• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf17) is on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since August 14. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis on August 19, and on all Wikipedias on August 21 (calendar).
• There is a new protection level called superprotection. At the moment, only some Wikimedia Foundation employees have access to it. Administrators can't edit "superprotected" pages. [122] [123] [124]
• You can now create empty pages directly. A message asks you to confirm that you want to create an empty page. [125] [126]
• You can search for Wikimedia tools using a new list of tools. [127]
• You can watch the first videos from Wikimania 2014. Some of them are about technical topics. More videos will come later.

Wikidata

• After August 19, you can use Wikidata for inter language links on Wikinews. [128]
• After August 19, you can use Wikidata for badges like "good" or "featured" articles. Next week, you will be able to show the badges in the article sidebar on Wikipedia, Wikisource and Wikiquote. [129]

Problems

• There was an issue with ProofreadPage and WikiEditor on Wikisource wikis. It is now fixed. [130] [131]

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07:17, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-35

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• There was a error when you put your cursor directly after a reference list. It is now fixed. [132]
• You can now add colors to links in the editor using gadgets. You can do this to see links to redirects or disambiguation pages. [133]
• If you use Internet Explorer, you will soon be able to use VisualEditor. [134] [135] [136]

Future software changes

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf18) is on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since August 21. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis on August 26, and on all Wikipedias on August 28 (calendar).
• After August 26, you will have a central JavaScript and CSS page. They will be on Meta-Wiki and will work on all wikis. Read more on the help page. [137]

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09:21, 25 August 2014 (UTC)