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Please, leave me a message. I am happy to be help or be helped.

I am the same user as 82.34.242.138 on the Commons POTY vote. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 12:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Temper, temper

Please take this back Dev [1]. After the civility concerns raised in your RfA that's not a good move. If you want me to have a look at the latest problems with this article and comment I shall do so. But comments like that don't help. Chill, WJBscribe 18:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I've just seen this [2] edit summary as well. Gosh Dev, please don't edit when angry. Take a deep breath, eat some chocolate or something... WJBscribe 18:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:LGBT/Jac review?

So are we all ready? I suggest (since this was a challenge thing) we each review the other three articles on the talk pages and consense to the new ratings - any objections? The four articles are:

• Trembling Before G-d, stub - Dev920 (Have a nice day!)
• Morris Kight, stub -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)
• Declaration of Montreal, stub. WJBscribe
• Anne Fleming (writer), stub - Jeffpw

-- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

User:WatchlistBot

No problem. The page has been created Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Articles. Let me know if you'd like any help tagging articles. Ingrid 21:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Gender and RfC

Hi Dev 920! My apologies, I assumed (improperly) that you were male, and I thank you for your correct. Best regards, CHAIRBOY (☎) 22:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Marriage

I’ll be staying away from marriage for the next week to give you time to cool off.--Riferimento 22:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Now I feel bad. I am hot tempered too, and I purposely tried to aggravate you, which is wrong. I hope you come back, and yes it is a nasty page, and sometimes it’s me that is being nasty. One of the problems with this page is we are always losing are best editors. Take care--Riferimento 23:10, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

BLP Admin

In light of your past discussions with CyberAnth on the subject, you might want to review and comment on this proposal: Wikipedia:BLP Admin. WJBscribe 03:36, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Mmm, you needn't concerns yourself with this after all. The proposal... well lets just say it didn't get the support of the community... WJBscribe 04:48, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

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WikiProject LGBT studies

I appreciate the invitation to join WikiProject LGBT studies and I accept. --Clay 09:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dev,

just wanted to let you know I appreciate your work and your ledership of the project, and that I mean no harm. We may disagree about bisexual identity, and I see from this page and others that you tend toward strident debate, but that's fine with me as long as I know that we aren't stressing each other out or making it more difficult for others to contribute.

Hope that's all OK. - Petra

White hotel 16:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Haha. 'wikibreak'? You want wikifries with that? ;) I'm still getting used to the culture here.

I hope your stresses, whatever they may be, resolve themselves. Take care.White hotel 16:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry that I didn't join up with the project. I placed the userbox on my user page to show I have interest in the project more then I was a member of it. Of course, I will help out where ever I can. --Pinkkeith 15:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite, I accept --Larrybob 16:13, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:LGBT

Thanks for the offer to join WP:LGBT; sadly, I'm too busy to commit to a new project. But I'd definitely appreciate it if you showed me the correct way to tag LGBT (and other) articles! The whole thing is a little mysterious to me. -Danspalding 17:23, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:Spoken

Just to let you know, I have already downloaded the necessary crap and plan on recording James Robert Baker myself. Jeffpw 17:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I just asked my husband, and according to him I have "a light, cultured American accent". I've spent approximately 50% of my life outside the states, so my accent is rather a mish-mash of all the places I've spent substantial amounts of time. You'll get to hear it soon. :-)Jeffpw 17:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi there. I just wanted to say I think this is a great idea. I'd love to do 'my' article myself, but I've endured enough americans snickering over my 'heavy british accent' to even consider trying it. :-) Is there any other way I could help? Cheers Raystorm 17:59, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd love to hear your accent, Raystorm, and I promise I wouldn't snicker! Go for it! Jeffpw 18:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I think British accents are sexy! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, you say that now Jeff, but you would snicker! Besides, I just got back to Madrid, so it'll just take two days for my British accent to be 'contaminated' (and eventually overtaken, until I return to the UK) by my Spanish one. And even though Spanish accents are quite sexy (hehe), I don't think they'd serve the purpose here. So the point is moot until I return to the Isles. ;-) I'd love to hear your 'light, cultured american accent' though! And Satyr, I fully agree with you, but the ones that really drive me crazy are Scottish accents, ever heard one? :D Cheers Raystorm 20:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh lord, Raystorm! You wouldn't say that if you had been locked up in a Scottish drug rehab for a year! trust me on that one. Anyway, a Spanish accent seems perfect for an article about Same-sex marriahe in Spain. :-)Jeffpw 21:17, 8 February 2

Sigh - being American, just about any non-Umerk'n accent sounds sexy :) I'm part Scottish, so I've heard 'em, but I want to go visit sometime soon... Just not for drug rehab! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:07, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

You want to visit Scotland? Are you crazy? I'd rather visit Afghanistan. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 22:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Right Dev, that's Scottish-hating added to your list of editorial sins ;-). WjBscribe 22:44, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

What's wrong with Scotland? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

It's full of Scots. Who are ugly, fat, violent (Glasgow is officially the most violent city in Europe), and hate the English to the point when we were in with a chance in the world cup Scotland sold out of Trinidad and Tobago strips, they hated us so much. They whine about how we're "oppressing" them when James I took over us and they are subsidised by us to the tune of £8 billion a year: the result being that all Scots get free higher education whereas we have to pay 3 grand a year for the pleasure, and pay full price to go to a Scottish university. They're singlehandedly responsible for Labour being in power - without their votes the Tories would be in. Scottish MPs can vote on issues that affect the English but don't affect them, but English MPs cannot do vice-versa. They're miserable and have no sense of humour. They came up with the deep fried mars bar. They have dreadful music, cuisine and dress sense. And I hate their accents. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

*Blink* Well, I like Scottish accents. *Pouts and kicks a pebble* I've never been to Scotland, but I was thinking of visiting it too, like Satyr. Almost went to Glasgow when Real Madrid won their 9th Champions' League a few years ago (but _everything_ was booked, sigh). Raystorm 15:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

If you want to visit a part of the UK, visit Ireland. Ireland is beautiful, with fantastic history and culture and their accents are the sexiest on Earth. :) Ohh, and Irish music is heavenly, and Irish dancing is glorious. The Irish are the loveliest and kindest people on Earth, and they have Dustin. Their myths and folklore are just phenomenal. And they came up with this:

May the sun shine warm upon your face,
the rains fall soft upon your fields and,
until we meet again,
may God hold you in the palm of His hand.

Or you could come to England and me and WJB will show you around. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

*Grin* We could do a LGBT-Wikiproject convention in London! :D (We could have some fun at night in the Soho area, too!) Or if you like warm weather you can all come to Spain... *Snicker* Raystorm 15:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm up for either, though London is a lot more convenient for me. Just name the time and I'll be there (I'm so sick of Amsterdam right now I'm starting to feel Brenda Spencerish. Jeffpw 15:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I love the idea of a meet-up - we just need about 500 more members than we have now to make it feasible. :) Hehe, 60 of us descending on Old Compton Street would be fun... Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 15:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

*Whistles* 600 members...Maybe by then we could also take the time to see some London Olympics events live! ;) You know, we could go all the way and make dorky project t-shirts for all of us and such. :) That's one way of financing the beers at Old Compton! Raystorm 16:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Dorky project T-shirts? Well, DUH. :) Hell, I'd design em now if I thought anyone would wear them...

And it won't take us five years to acquire 500 members. It took MILHIST two, and we're gaining members at a faster rate than them (or were last month, anyway). We also have the somewhat added advantage that we're advertising outside Wikipedia - the American Library Association GLBT Round Table has agreed to distribute our poster out to all its members, and put an article about us in their newsletter. And have I told that I have the chorus of a possible song? :D Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 16:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

ROTFL! I knew there was a reason we elected you :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Nice! I tried hunting down collaborators that spoke English in the Spanish Wikipedia, but they don't even have a LGBT project there. :/

Hell, I'd wear a T-shirt as long as it didn't have too much pink on it (I'm resigned to the fact that the rainbow theme will be obviously present, but it'd be interesting to see how it'd mesh with the geeky Wikipedia grey-blue theme hehe).

And what's that about a chorus of a song? We are going to have a song?? Do tell! :D Raystorm 16:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Then set one up! If we can have active English, French, German and Spanish projects that would cover most of the world. I'm trying to prod Projet:LGBT slightly to see what's happening there (no-one's edited since December). An active Spanish project would be great!

Ah, but would you pay $8.99 for it? And what would you want on it if not a rainbow flag?

Well, the first line just popped into my head and I thought "Why not?" It's delightfully silly. You'll be waiting a long time though for a full version though, I have to devise the rest of the lyrics and find someone to sing at so they can write down the tune (which keeps varying in my head), and then find some people who can actually sing and play instruments to record it. But it'll be fun going down Compton Street singing it ;) Here's what I've got:

WikiProject LGBT studies!

We're all so gay and such awesome buddies!

And then there's the bisexuals and won't you send a

cheery hello to those of transgender!

lol. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 17:06, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Hahahaha!!! X_D I can even sorta imagine the rythm of the chorus too! (Kinda tough first line, hmm?) If that's the chorus, I can't wait for the full lyrics!

And I have seriously considered setting up the Spanish project (I just got an account there), I'm gonna ask the user that adopted me how to go about it (that wikipedia is subtly different from this one). Will need tips from you undoubtedly. ;) Cheers Raystorm 17:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the first line a bit of a nightmare. I'm working on it. ;) And I am willing to offer you as much help as I can, given I have no command of Spanish. :) I was thinking about writing a document on how to build up a WikiProject and call it "The Coordinator, or how to build the most successful WikiProject EVER". Sounded catchy. :) Just got to make WP:LGBT the most successful WikiProject ever before I can write it though...

Thanks! I've started making some queries at that wiki, hopefully there'll be other editors interested in the idea (will have to create a category for 'users interested on LGBT issues' or something to search for them via the single userbox available, heh).

And the title is definitely catchy. ;) I'm pretty sure we'll soon have MilHis (against whom we compete, right?) eating our dust! I bet they don't have a song and a convention in the works! Or dorky-yet-stylish T-shirts for members! Hee hee Raystorm 19:11, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Great. Now I have the idea of a WP:MILHIST song (set to German marching music) and their t-shirts (in classic camo) running around my head. Where's my Madonna CD when I need it!?!? :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:15, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Different rationale

I don't agree with your rationale for keeping the phrase in at Wikipedia:Esperanza, but after paying attention to the fact that those bullet points are under the section "Noted complaints included:", it gives perspective to the fact that it is an opinion, not a fact, and is appropriate to include. True, WP:NPOV only applies to the article space, but there's no reason not to present things in a neutral manner, especially because the goal of the history page was to present this history in a neutral manner, and because we both know that many people still have strong feelings about the page. Not that it matters, because the issue is over, but it's something we should all keep in mind if issues ever come up again. -- Natalya 00:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, I thought I would bring this to your talk page, if you don't mind. I don't particularly care whether or not the sentence is used or not. I'm just a little amazed that even after Esperanza's deletion, it still draws people in, myself included. Like you, I'm surprised that any changes at all had occurred to the essay after a month or so of stability. I was just trying to suggest something that reflected what its critics said, without being too harsh on those who are still hurt by its deletion. Mostly (and I know this will smack of hypocrisy, considering my edit to the talk page) I wish that people would just move on and work on the encyclopedia. --Kyoko 00:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I see your point, and if I'm not mistaken, the original sentence was pretty much a direct quotation from one of the deletion comments. It just stunned me that there was an edit war, or at least a disagreement, about the criticism even after all this time. --Kyoko 00:54, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't appreciate your statement here that seems to single me out, since I'm the only 13 year old who recently edited Wikipedia:Esperanza. Please try to calm down, and understand that all of us are editing that page for good purposes. In case you didn't know, even historical pages on Wikipedia are eligible for frequent editing in order to improve the quality of Wikipedia. Now, since you seem to be having a problem with the recent editing (as implied by previous linked comment), I shall outline the timeline of events from my perspective:

1. [3] - DRV information has now been added
2. [4] - comma removed (harmless, no?)
3. [5] - first edit for February 8, 2007; as you can see, major editing conflicts were scarce until today (yesterday if 12:00 UTC has passed). Ed ^{¿Cómo estás?}Reviews? 02:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok Buddy?

I noticed you went on Wikibreak. I know the Esperanza thing is trying, god knows I was a big dick about it in the past, but we've got to remember to stay calm about these things. A wikibreak can be good, yes, help you chill out. If you need someone to talk to, I make a rather fascinating sounding board. Hope you're feeling better when you come back. DoomsDay349 02:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Just checking in. Feeling any better? You toned down the Wikibreak notice; that's good. I hope you're all good. DoomsDay349 04:05, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

My RFA

Thank You, Dev920/Archive6 for your Support! Thank you for your support in my RfA, which closed at 111 / 1 / 2. I am humbled and rather shocked to see such kind comments and for it to reach WP:100. Please feel free to leave a note if I have made a mistake or if you need anything, I will start out slow and tackle the harder work once I get accustomed to the tools. Thank you once more, I simply cannot express in words my gratitude.

...fly on littlewing. ~ Arjun 19:51, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey there

		Elaragirl's Barnstar of Defiance
		For remaining unbroken in the face of adversity, unbowed in the face of despair, unafraid to do what is right, I admire you.

But you're still in inclusionist. Join the Dark Side! Strike them down and take your place by my side! --Elaragirl^Talk|Count 00:20, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Coordinator Election

I'll post up the elecion page tomorrow. I had in mind a week in normal circumstances but with only one candidate I'm thinking of shortening it. I may talk it over with a couple of people. I confess I've allowed it to slip onto the back-burner slightly, for one thing because I wasn't sure how long the Wikibreak you declared yesterday would last. Also, I spent most of today helping one of my best friends from uni days move her stuff down to London from Glasgow. WjBscribe 03:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Adoption

Moved from userpage. Dev920 Pardon me if I am not doing this correctly, I am not exactly sure how to "send you a message." This is Jim Nightshade, I have been seeking an adopter. I started editing Wikipedia, in a very responsible, professional way, last summer. You have "sent me a mesage" by way of my Talk Page. Although I may not have the time to go full bore on Wikipedia (too busy as a student), any connections or help could be useful. I do believe in the project, very much. Thanks a lot. Who wields me, wields the world! 05:13, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Just so you know...

...I went ahead and created the Spanish LGBT Wikiproject. [6] It's a bit stark at the moment, with just the basic stuff and only one member (guess). I've learnt more technical aspects and what-nots in the last two days than I ever wanted to know, and I know I've barely started scratching the surface on that regard. Already the categories are giving me headaches! :P But this is for the good of LGBT issues around the globe yadda yadda yadda right? Cheers! Raystorm 18:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah the translation department is definitely on the to-do list. I think I can scrap a few volunteers to help me with that, I'll send out some feelers soon. I also wanna make a section for requested articles and another for improving existing articles in the short term. Plus start tagging LGBT articles, which will also work as free advertising of the project. :-)

The perspective is rather bleak: most prominent LGBT articles have been kinda inactive for awhile. It's gonna be difficult to hunt for new members that way. There's only one LGBT userbox (two counting the project one), do you know if there's any way I could search for the users that have that userbox on their userpage?

I will need down the road anything you can upload at Commons, but there's no hurry yet. :-) I don't think I'm gonna be giving away barnstars any time soon. But thanks for the offer!

I'm playing it by ear right now. I couldn't fathom recreating the LGBT template that includes class and assessment right now, for example, but that's something that will have to be done sooner rather than later. Templates and categories, ugh. But they are so useful and orderly...

I am completely and sincerely open to suggestions. :-) Cheers Raystorm 19:11, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Haha! Excellent! I've been sending out invites for the last hour, hopefully a few editors will join the project. Thanks for the tip!

A navigational template will be coming soon, as soon as I can put it together. :-) I don't think the peer review will though, for the moment.

Cheers! Raystorm 20:49, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I take it back. If you could help with the assessment template, I'd be much obliged! Cheers Raystorm 14:42, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Great! I'm just finding out that there was a vote against having in the Spanish Wiki several LGBT categories that exist in the English one. And the project tag is malfunctioning. Oh well. I've asked for help with that. On the plus side, I'm getting new members, and I already have found a volunteer willing to translate Latter Days. :-) Cheers Raystorm 17:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, thanks. :-) I'm getting used to snags cropping up unexpectedly, I'm not too worried. I'll leave Satan's spawn template issues to far more talented people to deal with them. ;-) Cheers! Raystorm 18:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all the hard work Dev. I've contacted Richy at the Spanish wiki and am waiting for his reply. I'll let you know what happens. Thanks again! :-) Raystorm 21:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Richy replied. He's absolutely okay with helping us. :-) What a nice fellow. He asked me to tell you too that's he's definitely on it, because he has some ADSL problems right now (he just moved to a new house). As soon as he's solved them (in about a week) he'll get on with the assessment -he anticipates it'll take about 18 hours tops to get a bot running and begin tests. I'm gonna let him know about the hungarian thingy at WP:1.0, in case it helps him. Cheers! Raystorm 10:57, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea, I'll check it out. I suppose some equivalent of the Signpost exists, I'll ask at the Pump (or Cafe there). :-) Thanks for your kind words, they come at a particulary good time. I've had a bit of a setback with one of the templates (idiot me only tested the project tag in talk pages without discussions), and hopefully when Richy does the assessment he can take a look at what I did wrong there before implanting the new system. After that, I think we'll truly be in business. I have a very eager (yet unfortunately highly unexperienced) member that in just a few hours managed to tag 200 articles with the (now we know) defective template, unaware that discussions shouldn't appear inside the template. Heh. I quickly received some angry comments from other editors, but fortunately managed to defuse the situation, and we're all best wikipals again. And I've learned my lesson, and will be more careful and conscientous (sp?) in the future.

Err, sorry, I'm ranting. Just having one of those 'I've bitten more than I can chew' moments. :-) On the plus side, the translation department is up and running! Cheers Raystorm 20:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Update:Fixed the template hehe, took me 3 hours but I fixed it!!! ;-) Cheers Raystorm 23:32, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Sure I'll take a look! :-) You can email it to me if you want. Want me to send you my version? Cheers! Raystorm 00:16, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Peer review

I've requested a peer review for Agrippina (opera) at Wikipedia:Peer review/Agrippina (opera)/archive1: all opinions welcome and requested. Your experience with FAs would be particularly welcome. Cheers, Moreschi ^{Request a recording?} 16:10, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Don't have to know so much about the topic, it's especially stuff like the referencing and the prose I'm looking for pointers on. Cheers, Moreschi ^{Request a recording?} 19:36, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorted out most of your points, I think. Cheers, Moreschi ^{Request a recording?} 20:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Another member

Missed the 105 boat, but caught the 107 train. ;) ZueJay^talk 07:45, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I meant "Another member". Darn, it was a late one last night! ZueJay^talk 20:21, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Question

Is it allowed to relist an article on Afd immediately after it falls off the list, because "not enough people voted on it"? An article I wrote, Philippe Servaty, was listed last week on Afd. Naturally, I didn't have much incentive to expand it significantly while it was there (though I was pretty sure it was referenced enough to survive). Yesterday was 6 days on Afd, and I thought it would procedurally pass, since only one person made a comment, and two opposed deletion. Imagine my surprise this morning when I saw it was just immediately put back on Afd today. Yours in frustration, Jeffpw 07:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Jarosław Kaczyński

Good day, Dev. Sorry for keeping quite for almost two weeks, I have too much on my mind right now. Anyway, I have taken this morning a fresh look at this article and its respective talk page. Nothing new has really surfaced to support claims of this person's homosexuality, and I never had time to really search for a reliable source, I'm sorry. But it's more or less beyond the scope of your project, and that's because of his attitude. Nobody interesting :)

Anyway, if you need my help with any other Poland-related article (hopefully not associated with politics) then I'll be glad to be of service. Have a good day! --Ouro (blah blah) 08:00, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

This article has just become a fucking whitewash of the creep. All references to his homophobia have been removed (I will be reinserting them now). And an admin removed our LGBT tag today saying it was per talk discussion, when there had been no more discussion since Jan 29. Jeffpw 08:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello, Jeff. I noticed. Well, I will just comment on the tag removal - it was Piotrus, who is Polish like I am. There's a certain point to this, however if you feel he's within the scope of your interest then that's fine with me. On the article content I will not comment, there's no way this one will reach a NPOV in the near future. Cheers. --Ouro (blah blah) 10:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Ouro, the tag merely indicates he is within the scope of our project. His many homophobic remarks make him a person of interest to us. The tag does not indicate he is homosexual. Jeffpw 10:21, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Jeff, I got that much, thank you.

Dev, thank you for the nice message. It's good working with you too! Why not Scotland? :) --Ouro (blah blah) 12:39, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Heh, heh, I have a similar attitude towards a certain country, or rather a certain sociopolitical system. Zimbabwe, Thailand, Cuba, but not there :) --Ouro (blah blah) 13:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Challenge

My preliminary answer is yes, but before I completely accept the challenge, I'd like to know how exactly head-to-head jumpaclass works. Do we pick articles at the same time, and starting from the same category? Thanks, — Emiellaiendiay 17:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I haven't seen Trembling Before G-d... but I'd like to see it, along with Parvez Sharma's In the Name of Allah. LGBT issues in the context of religion are fascinating. I take it you've seen it though? — Emiellaiendiay 17:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, wow, thank you! — Emiellaiendiay 18:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Glad you're better!

It's good to know your feeling better. Let us hope this is the last wave, and we'll finally be able to move on. In a strange way, this has been a two sided coin; all the crap has helped you and I become friends, and it's (in a long, roundabout cycle of drama) me and Elara become...quasi-friends. So, it wasn't all bad. DoomsDay349 21:23, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello

You reverted my edits to Bisexuality because you took personal offense. I'm sorry, but it is an unusual sexuality. There sadly is much worse, though. Look, before you get pissed off about what I'm telling you becuase you think I have no right to say this when I "obviously don't know what I'm talking about." Here's the thing, I am attracted to my male friend. I am a guy. And I like women, too. Especially this one girl who is beautiful and intelligent.

I realize that I was indeed foolish in my choice to like men and women. -66.218.12.100 22:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

MfD

Thank you for informing me. —Mira 23:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Translation

I'll gladly have a go at translating the poster, although translating into Spanish is not my forte so it would be good if others could vet the final product. I can't do it until Monday evening London time though -- I'll follow up as soon as I have something. Burnley 00:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Dev, I've already translated the poster! :-) I was actually dropping by to ask you if it is okay to use it for the esWiki. The problem is it's two pages long, I need to reduce it. I can send it to you by email if you want to check it out? Cheers Raystorm 01:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I just came back to offer to e-mail you my flawed translation of the poster, but I see that Raystorm has already taken care of it. Please e-mail me if you'd like my draft; it's totally, absolutely ok if you don't. Burnley 23:19, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, after some effort, it is on one page. Burnley 00:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

*Small nudge* Poster got lost in ciber ether? ;-) Raystorm 11:41, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Things are going well so far, thanks for asking. New departments working, one requested article created, one translation done, another couple of users joined (and a few others declined), tagging going on without further problems... Step by step. :-) I may even need the barnstar sooner than I thought, members are really eager to get things done over there! I just wish they were slightly more experienced, but beggars can't be choosers right? :-) Raystorm 13:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Neat! I'll add the barnstar asap. Thanks! :-) I just found out that references must be reformatted to go with the Spanish system -instead of cite web, ref-article, and so on. *Whimpers thinking about the 53 refs in the SSM in Spain article that have to be changed one by one again* Why can't we have a universal system for everything? Cheers Raystorm 22:42, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

We do :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 00:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

*Blows raspberry* ;) Raystorm 11:52, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:LGBT Coordinator Election Notice This is just a quick, automated note to let you know that there is an election being conducted over the next 7 days for the position of "Coordinator" for the LGBT WikiProject. Your participation is requested. -- SatyrTN (talk · contribs)

Re: Invitation

Thanks for the message on my talk page. I have joined the project and look forward to working on it. Thanks, Mallanox 02:25, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

RE:Moved On

Yeah, I agree with that statement. All in all, though, I think Esperanza did serve a purpose; it taught a lot of people what Wikipedia really is, including myself. In the end, that was a good thing :) Also, I forgot to tell you, I'm sorry I missed your RFA, I was never aware of it. Too bad it didn't pass; though, in my opinion, I think you went up just a little bit too early. Personally, I'd have waited to March/April, after a lot of good, constructive edits. I bet that an RFA for you in a few months would work out much better. I'm sorry I wasn't there though. DoomsDay349 04:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I didn't say you hadn't made enough constructive edits...I just think that your opposers would have been quieter with a bit more. DoomsDay349 22:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Infobox Film

Hey. Thanks for adding the infobox to many film articles. What I'm wondering is why have you linked the names to an external website, IMDb, instead of internal links to person(s) articles? These should be wikilinked, as per the syntax guide and usual WP conventions. Thanks, Prolog 12:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Defender barnstar

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		On Wikipedia, as in the real world, doing the right thing often goes against the status quo. Thank you for your good work and for being bravely outspoken in matters of conscience.House of Scandal 14:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Invitation. (Chupper)

Hi! Thanks for your invitation! Sorry I didn't get back to you, I didn't realize it was an RSVP type thing :). Unfortunately I don't think I'll be joining the project. I actually was interested in homosexuality from a psychological perspective (I'm a member at Wikiproject Psychology). I stumbled across some unreferenced & incorrect information on Homosexuality and the Mormon church so I corrected, referenced and created one article (Homosexuality and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints). People were calling aversion therapy electroshock therapy, and things like this - two very different things that were being used synonymously which was very embarrassing for Wikipedia. So I've really only come across LGBT stuff when it comes in close contact with Psychology or something is just wrong & unreferenced - no different than any other subject for me. Again, thanks for considering me, though! Good luck with the project! Chupper 17:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Never saw that movie or heard of it, interesting though! Definitely feel free to let me know articles that deal with psychology or psychiatrics and homosexuality! Just leave a list on my talk page of articles you would like me to help out with.

Yea, aversion therapy is conditioning - a negative stimulus attached with a behavior someone wants to get rid of. The negative stimulus is something like a bad tasting spray, a shock to the fingers, or anything like that. Like spraying a bad tasting thing on your nails to stop nailbiting is form aversion therapy (I've done that). Electroshock therapy is actually attaching diodes to your head to shock your brain. It usually sends the patient into a seizure. It's been used in the past to treat psychotic illnesses such as schizophrenia. Two very different things. In addition, aversion therapy must be voluntary. Forcing someone to do it against their will is illegal. Also, in my mind, some stimulus used in aversion therapy is ethically wrong. However when someone says "aversion therapy" I usually think of a child being scolded or anti-nail biting spray. The only reason people have a negative idea about aversion therapy is because of the extremes (i.e. persuading gays to get shocked to get rid of homosexual thoughts). In reality 99% of aversion therapy is ethical, non-violent and actually helpful. (think how many times parents scold children, individuals condition themselves to avoid drugs through negative thoughts, etc. vs. extreme cases of torturous aversion therapy.)

But anyway, leave a list of articles you need some people to work on dealing with psych & LGBT and I'll be happy to do what I can. Although homosexuality itself isn't very interesting to me, its evolution through psychological and anthropological understanding is. Chupper 17:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

How rude of me...

WikiThanks

Top smart! You're welcome. Steve block Talk 20:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Jacques Damala

Hey, I'm the guy who wrote the entire article on Jacques Damala! The truth is that hadn't checked out my article for a while but I see that the bisexuality reference caused quite a disagreement. I don't know much of it to support it myself, whether it is reliable information or not. But I must thank you for supporting my article! It could certainly need some improvement and I hope you will provide me with any suggestions/advice. I hope I'll be able to see renominated for a GA someday! Thanks again! Xanthi22 23:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Message from James Nightshade, adoptee

Dev 920: I'm impressed--looks like you are not afraid to speak your mind. But as students in Taiwan always say, don't forget to "be kind." Hope this message gets through. I'll be in touch. One thing I wonder is about citing sources. I have used an MLA academic style (source name and page number in parentheses, referring to sources at the bottom of the page). Though I like this style, I suspect it is not the normal way here. I see other footnote style of sources cited (with linked footnotes), though at times these come off as kind of awkward on Wiki. But whatever. I have been meaning to find out the best way to do this.

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your recent comments on Eedo's page

Nuff said! Jeffpw 23:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:LGBT Newsletter

Hi, it says to write you if I'd prefer to receive the newsletter in a different format. I'm thinking smaller. Much smaller. Like we have with this format for the Signpost:

Doable? ~ Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 00:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Dev! This is doable, with a little bit of restructuring. If we moved the layout to a different page than the content, then the size of it (small, right, wavy - well, not wavy :) can be controlled. Thoughts? Is it worth doing? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 02:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I think more people would subscribe if it's available in a smaller format. I've seen some project participants remove it immediately from their talk pages. If people are deleting it, chances are they're not clicking the links. Let me know if I can help in any way :-) ~ Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 03:06, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

If they've read it, then it doesn't really matter if they remove it immediately afterwards. The structure of the signpost relies on much longer articles - our news is mostly bullet points. However, if you want I can inroduce an option of a simple link to the newsletter at the community section? Then you would simply alerted to the publication of a new newsletter every month. Would that be better for you? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 06:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I would prefer a link to the big version we have now :-) ~ Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 06:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

What if we used this format:

That way it doesn't take up as much space on talkpages and people can open it for the content links whenever they want? WjBscribe 06:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I will try that on the next newsletter. Then we can see what other people think. Bear in mind though, my experience with hide bars has not thus far been totally successful... Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 08:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, that's pretty cool, WJB! ~ Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 08:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

WIkihalo nomination

WereWolf 00:51, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

The portal

With all the fun and games going, I haven't been updating the news section as diligently as I should. I thought I'd see to it just now and realised that the present content rather reflects what happens if you put a lawyer in charge! I'm doing pretty well on worldview but the breadth of subject matter is laking a bit. LOL. Oops. WjBscribe 09:34, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for your efforts on the alternative sexuality lists. I appreciate that a dedicated and interested editor will clean them up, and that there is a network of wikipedians in alliance to keep them clean. For this reason, I have requested early closing of my nomination of the AFD's, with Keep per agreement as outcome. Many thanks for not joning what I fear was a closing of ranks by others who seemed to be mounting for a personal attack of me, instead of doing as you did, which was maintain a level head and make a workable proposal. Kudo's to you! Jerry lavoie 16:07, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

oh, well... WJBscribe opposed my motion , so the debate will have to continue. <shrug> Jerry lavoie 18:19, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

ok, well, an article I recently wrote may meet inclusion criteria: Patricia Racette. (I know... try to get over the shock...)  :) Jerry lavoie 18:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey! Can I have some (but not neccesarily a lot) of support?

Hey! Whats up? It's Zaz zer again. I was wondering if you would mind checking this page out. Thx! --Cheers :) Zaz zer

This page!

The homophobes are at it again

Thanks for the head's up. I just made my position clear (and no, you were not canvassing, but simply alerting me to the re-emergence of a debate I was part of previously). Jeffpw 11:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Invitation

Hi Dev, thanks for the invitation to the LGBT project. I will have to graciously and respectfully decline at this time, as I'm not able to dedicate much time to Wikipedia these days until later in the year. But I wish you and the project all the best! NickBurns 19:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Coordinator

Congrats on becoming the first coordinator of the LGBT project. It is in my opinion well earned. WjBscribe 19:39, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Ditto congrats. Te lo mereces, confiamos en tí. ;-) MILHIST, tremble! Raystorm 20:03, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

LOL! Bring it ON... Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 20:05, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Belated Congrats on becoming project co-ordinator. Sorry your wiki-break was cut short. --ParAmmon (cheers thanks a lot!) 17:56, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Question

Hi Dev. I was wondering: would it be okay to create an article like 'History of Homosexuality in X Country'? I've been asked to do one about Spain, but I notice we don't have those kind of articles. Any particular reason? We do have the 'Gay Rights in X Country' articles, but I don't think they would necessarily be the same. What do you think? Cheers Raystorm 21:49, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Aha. Gotcha. Thanks. Sorry if it was a stupid question, I didn't think of searching without the 'history' part. :-P Raystorm 22:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Trembling

Shoulda asked me, Dev--you know I'm a pushover! LOL! Better luck next time, and if you need a hand polishing it, give me a jingle. Jeffpw 22:32, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people

Since the AfD looks like a clear keep, do you want me to just go ahead and convert everything to table format? I can write a Perl script to do the heavy lifting, so it shouldn't even take that long. —Celithemis 00:52, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I can get it to pick up nationalities, dates, and professions that are already in the text and stick them in the right field, so only the missing information would have to be filled in. —Celithemis 01:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and I can convert the remaining direct links to footnotes -- at least as far as turning [7] into -- though they'd probably still need further reformatting. —Celithemis 01:07, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, it's all converted. Let me know if the script messed anything up -- I can always go back and redo it. Seems to have gone smoothly, though. —Celithemis 05:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Esperanza

Hi. I noticed that you and Ed have been reverting each other on the above page for some time now; I've protected the page now to stop the edit war before it gets any worse. Please consider discussing this issue with each other and also examining both the trivialness (it's a description of a deleted program) and the irony (revert-warring over a program that was designed to stop this sort of thing) of the reverting, and let me know when you two have sorted out your differences so that the page can be unprotected. Thanks. Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

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DYK

Did you know? was updated. On 20 February, 2007, a fact from the article Homosexual readings of Jesus and John, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

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Erm, great. I've added Homosexual readings of Jesus and John to my watchlist. I think it may seem some pretty heavy vandalism while linked to from the mainpage... WjBscribe 10:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

BtVS

Hi Dev. I saw you took off the tag from the BTVS article. I don't really understand it -the show had a gay main character and did dedicate at least two seasons to certain important LGBT topics, such as coming out or showing on prime time a lesbian relationship in a positive way. Obviously it's not The L Word, but still I don't think the tag was inappropiate. :-) Why is it not under the project's scope? Cheers Raystorm 18:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Mr. Lady Records

I've submitted this article for peer review ... I figure if I've got it up to good article status, I may as well see how far I can take it. I can't figure out how to add it to the LGBT-specific peer review, so it's on the main PR page. Please feel free to contribute. Thanks. Proto ► 18:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

salt

If someone meant WP:SALT they could have said so, instead they said "salt" and where is WP:FIRE, I'm not sure that anything in the comments meant anything about fire protection, the user who used that one must have been mistaking that for "fire"? I'll stand by my comments; these people know what they are and are quite clever. Carlossuarez46 21:05, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

• You apparently do not have the same sensitivies I do; if you're satisfied that there is no homophobia in the nomination despite the equal logic with which , say, List of German-Americans, should also have been nominated. These attempts to delete one of a series of analogous lists always "starts" ndash; and frequently ends – with the LGBT one, interestingly enough. Carlossuarez46 21:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thankyou for bringing attention of the IP user and his account being blocked. I had given up reason on him, especially after repeatedly calling me homophobic, as well as ignoring my indentification as a Bisexual. Jacobshaven3 23:12, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Severely startled is an understatement

I never thought I'd see a wikilink on ANI that said "accused jeffpw of sleeping with children"!!!! That gave me a little gasp, I must admit. LOL. ~Keep up the good work, oh fearless coordinator. ~~

List of bisexual people

Oh, okay. That's been forked to userspace since November?! —Celithemis 02:28, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

The people arguing about sources in the live version seem like they'd be surprised to know that there's a separate draft in userspace, is all I'm saying. Garion96 obviously didn't. —Celithemis 04:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I obviously didn't. :) Just in case you don't have it on your watchlist, I left a message at User talk:Dev920/Drafts/Bi. Garion96 (talk) 12:28, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Your comments about me

Enzedbrit (talk • contribs) seems to have taken personal exception to the category of "LGBT organisations" that has been added to NAMBLA. In the course of the debate, he has become increasingly abusive and legalistic, making insults (such as calling for all "decent LGBT" to agree with him), and then pedantically claiming they mean something different. The debate can be found on the talk page, and his talkpage. He has actually, and I confess even I, as laid back as I usually am, was shocked by this, accused (an editor) of sleeping with children. A warning/block may be in order as three users have now tried to engage with him, including someone who agrees with his position, and he has attacked them all. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:47, 20 February 2007

In this, you have said that several users have tried to engage with me and that I have attacked them all. This is untrue. I have been forthright with two but not attacked. What you have stated is an untruth. You have said that I have accused one user of sleeping with children. This is also untrue and I have explained that indeed I haven't said that. Even in context, it should be seen that I am referring to the organisation NAMBLA, an organisation that advocates sleeping with children. I have also explained my use of the term decent LGBT people. As I have said on the ADI page as well, I ask you on which grounds you stand for bringing this against me. Additionally, although I admire you for taking the position that you have on NAMBLA not being an LGBT organisation, your final line about your views on 'enzedbrit' remaining the same are there purely to bully and provoke. Why do I say this? Because it is irrelevant to the conversation! This is a shame, coming from one who has been charged with the position of LGBT coordinator which surely comes with a degree of respect and responsibility. Enzedbrit 05:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

membership

Sorry for the delay in replying. It is an oversight of me how do i get membership to the LGBT group? Roger jg 09:07, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments on Reparative therapy

I'll work on those. FA is, of course, the goal. Fireplace 13:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia a pedo haven???

Where in the world do we stand accused of this nonsense? Peej? Really, Dev, don't take anything that reactionary, hysterical website says seriously. It's just a group of people, most of wehom have been molested at an early age and who never recovered, being manipulated by a monomaniacal internet cult leader for his own fun and financial gain. You wasted three hours last night at that site; don't waste any more of your life on them. Jeffpw 16:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

• Resent away, dev. Nobody is telling you what to do or whom to trust. I am merely giving you the benefit of my almost 2 years of experience with that organization, as both a volunteer for their site, and then an admin at a site which opposes them. However, since you're feeling so testy we shan't discuss it further. Drop me a line when you're feeling more yourself. Jeffpw 16:12, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
• Are you saying I am attacking you for giving you my opinion about PeeJ? That seems a stretch, Dev. Chill. Jeffpw 16:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

For what it is worth, thanks for spending so much time researching a matter that's sparked so much debate. I wouldn't expect any less from the coordinator of the LGBT project. :-) Cheers Raystorm 17:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

LGBT banner on TV programs?

Hi, Dev! Not only does Buffy have LGB characters, it was important to a wide segment of young folks specifically for it's acceptance of LGB characters and story-lines. Plus, we tag a lot lot of shows with similar characteristics. Plus I think Buffy falls within "the cultural ... manifestation of same-sex, bisexual ... identities, attractions, and relationships, and related societal reactions". But I'd like to hear your thoughts. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 20:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I still think the show should be tagged. Take a look at: [8] and [9], not to mention 291,000 Google hits. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:21, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Dev! It's not the number of characters that sways me. It's one major character (which is enough to qualify, in my book) AND the fact that the show dealt with some significant issues - perhaps for the first time for its target audience. In my opinion (and I haven't done the research to back this up), it had a significant impact wrt LGBT issues not only for its fans, but for the LGBT community and for television.

And more, it's not outside "the cultural, political and historical manifestation of same-sex, bisexual, or transgender identities, attractions, and relationships, and related societal reactions." BTW, we really should put that in a positive context on the project page :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:51, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

GLBTRT!?? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:16, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Totally hadn't a clue - acronyms defy me :) So that's kewl! I guess we should be prepared for an influx of librarians to the project? :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Page protection

Thank you for your message, but I am not going to get involved in this dispute by trying to judge which version is right and which version is wrong. I simply noticed an edit war occuring and decided to protect the page before the reverting continued any further. Please continue to discuss this with each other (although I ask that you do not discuss on my talk page, as it really isn't the right page for this) and request unprotection when you two have reached an agreement or have agreed to stop the reverting. Thank you. Flcelloguy (A note?) 23:34, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel that way, but I cannot be the "judge" here and determine which version is right and which one is the Wrong Version. Please use our dispute resolution process for other alternatives, and do not hesitate to contact me for unprotection once an agreement has been reached or if I can be of any further assistance. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:13, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey!

Bonjour Dev! Qu'est vers le haut? J'ai une question. Comment est-ce que je lie une image à un site Web de sorte que quand vous cliquez sur l'image vous alliez à ce site Web? Aide de SVP. À la votre! Zazzer 03:41, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh et si vous voulez savoir ce que ceci indique dans juste anglais me contactent! Zazzer 03:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi there! :-) Sorry for meddling in, but in case you don't speak French, this user is asking how to link an image so when you clik on it it takes you to a certain webpage. :-) Cheers! Raystorm 21:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I've already replied on Dev's behalf while she's away :-). WjBscribe 00:45, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Update

Good to see you editing again :-). Not much to update you on and you can gather most of it from the board. Hope you don't mind my arranging the archiving of the LGBT project talkpage. I thought having a Bot do it by last timestamp in each thread would make it less likely important discussions would get archived, while still keeping the talkpage at a more manageable size.

One thing I wanted to ask you though. I was wondering if we should convert our members' list to alphabetical order? I'm worried it might be off-putting for people to join as the hundredth-odd member and its not as if we have a heirarchy going on by date of joining. It would mean the list would need a bit of watching to make sure peope but their names in the right place. But it seems worth it to me. I should note that Satyr disagrees, his response was:

I kind of think *not* alphabetical is the way to go. As it is, we have to "fix" an entry maybe once or twice a month. Having to alphabetize people who blindly add their name to the end would happen more frequently - guaranteed. And this is WP - people are used to going to the bottom :)

MILHIST and BIO seem to manage it though.... What do you think? WjBscribe 12:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

project

Makes sense you don't read my talk page - Duh! Anyway, your project looks great. I am not wikipiddling much right now due to work overload, but I will certainly come back to this in a couple months and at least poke around the stuff needing doing, probably sign up. --Jaibe 12:51, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Tank Girl

I had removed the LGBT tag after skimming the article and not noticing anything related to LGBT studies. Looking at the talk page of the bot that added it there had apparently been some problems with it arbitralily adding and removing tags, so I put two and two together. In re-reading the article I do see the references to queercore and Thatcher -- although I think these points are kind of backhanded, and the article could use some expansion to explain what the book's connection to LGBT studies is. ~CS 22:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

User:GLGerman

Hy ! I have on german wikipedia often trouble with user:jergen and as i see now he works also in english wikipedia most he writes here over "Boyscouts". So now he reverted for two times my userpage on english wikipedia. So what do you think should i do. Maybe you can have a look on my userpage to see, if he can do this or if he is wrong. I know excactly that he can t do that on german wikipedia. And i believe that jergen don t want that on english wikipedia englishspeaking guys recognise that we have on german wikipedia big fights with jergen in the theme "homosexuality". And if user:jergen trys to be an admin on english wikipedia you should start to vote with all people against him. GLGerman 06:41, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Your DYK nomination for Same-sex marriage in Italy was successful

Did you know? was updated. On February 26, 2007, a fact from the article Same-sex marriage in Italy, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 00:23, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Dev, thank you so much for this little surprise! :-) I had no idea you had nominated SSM in Italy for DYK. Darn, one thing I write that manages to make the main page and I miss it due to my stupid computer crash! ;-) And thank you also for adding a note on the newsletter about the Spanish project. No wonder you're hoarding barnstars and wikihalos and whichimichies! You rock chief. ;-) Cheers Raystorm 15:52, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

*Grin* Yeah, I'll have to, won't I? I'm not nominating SSM in Spain as Today's FA until July. ;-) So, how do I email you for the poster issue? (You've got my e-addy somewhere above) Raystorm 16:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, seems someone else decided to nominate SSM in Spain as Today's FA and was successful. Grrr. Raystorm 14:46, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

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Wikihalo

{{Award wikihalo|her amazing work with the Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies, reaching out to various users, and the constant reversion of vandalism and general improvement of wikipedia.}}

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Esperanza

Would this edit [10] be a compromise you could live with and we could consider the matter closed? Steve block Talk 15:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Remove "Aside from participating in the group's official programs, members of Esperanza were also encouraged to show support to other editors through such methods as awarding barnstars for good work and supporting other editors with kind words during hard times." (because they didn't encourage anything outside official programs) and something about their overwhelming arrogance, and their overhaul ending in a fruitless discussion about governance (maybe including Zach's proposal to add a Assembly(!)), and I will consider that fine. Go ahead and protect. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 17:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikihalo

I haven't delisted or deleted the award. I just got rid of the extraneous cruft that dealt with nominations and voting. --evrik ^(talk) 18:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

• But that's the point os the Wikihalo! Look, here's a compromise. I agree that the idea of support and oppose voting is stupid for an award - so how about all nominations are subject to a simple approval vote? The Wikihalo is supposed to be a community award, so it is appropriate to let the community to express their support. And we'll cut down the candidacy time. Sound fair? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Just make the changes, and make it simple. I really don't care as long as the chnages are simple. --evrik ^(talk) 18:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
• Hold on a minute. Don't make other changes for five minutes. Please --evrik ^(talk) 18:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
• I wanted to collect some data .... look at all the listed nominations ...
• Wikipedia:Wikihalo nomination/Bkonrad
• Wikipedia:Wikihalo nomination/Celestianpower
• Wikipedia:Wikihalo nomination/Dog Eat Dog World
• Wikipedia:Wikihalo nomination/Essjay
• Wikipedia:Wikihalo nomination/Greeves
• Wikipedia:Wikihalo nomination/Fred Bauder
• Wikipedia:Wikihalo nomination/General Eisenhower
• Wikipedia:Wikihalo nomination/Phaedriel
• Wikipedia:Wikihalo nomination/pupster21
• Wikipedia:Wikihalo nomination/User:Dev920
• Wikipedia:Wikihalo nomination/Sango123
• Wikipedia:Wikihalo nomination/Steve block
• Wikipedia:Wikihalo nomination/CatherineMunro
• Wikipedia:Wikihalo nomination/TJ Spyke

The biggest problem is the nomination and acclamation portion of this award. It can be embarassing and doesn't promote what we're trying to achieve.

I changed the tag on the page. Why don't we take the discussion here Wikipedia:Barnstar and award proposals/Proposed Changes? --evrik ^(talk) 18:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

• I made some comments. --evrik ^(talk) 21:37, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:Leaving

Hiya, thanks for your concern. As for leaving the WikiProject, I might. The past few days have been stressful for me, since I feel like all of my hard work is shunned and ignored, and I don't have the time I need to focus on the Project, or Wikipedia in general (testing season is here). Plus, I've never really edited any article that focuses on the LGBT community (I still live with my parents, who are totally against homosexuals). Anyway, I really appreciate your concern! WereWolf 14:07, 28 February 2007 (UTC)3

Thanks so much! I'll probably take a Wikibreak, like you said. And I'll eat some twinkes, because twinkes can cure anything. I know that for a fact! WereWolf 14:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think I'll leave just yet, so if you want to, you may remove the <s>< through my name. WereWolf 23:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Missing articles

I am currently trying to put together a first list for the Saints project, with which I am kind of actively involved. I certainly would have no objections to working with your project on a similar list, but I can see one potential problem. I'm not sure how many of the missing articles, probably particularly including biographies, indicate the sexual orientation/behavior of the subjects anywhere except perhaps in the article itself. If you look at the lists of articles we have at Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles, relatively few of them indicate their sexual preferences. However, if you are aware of any sort of reliable list of historical individuals who qualify as LGBT, I would certainly be willing to check to see how many might be entered into any of the encyclopedias we use and create a list of such articles. John Carter 16:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

It'll probably be a few days before I can go through all the lists you gave me, but I can at least assume that they're reliable and try to set up a missing articles page based on them. It will probably take at least a few days though. John Carter 18:36, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Invitation and British Spelling

Sure, sounds like a good deal! How do I join? Also, were all the corrections I made to the homosexuality page minor regional ones? I can definitely see the difference between "popularizing" and "popularising" as a moot point, but do the English really spell the words "diametraically" and "travellers"? If so, my mistake, and chalk it up as just one more very interesting thing I learned by using wikipedia. -AmberAlert1713 18:13, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Your DYK nomination for George Cecil Ives was successful

Did you know? was updated. On February 28, 2007, a fact from the article George Cecil Ives, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 21:52, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Adoption and LGBT group

Hi there! Yes, I'd like to be adopted and join the LGBT Studies group. I am currently working up the Lily Parr article, if you are interested. I'm not sure exactly how to get adopted, though. Thanks!

Fluffball70 21:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

It is done! thank-you adopter!

Fluffball70 22:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject newsletter

Hi Dev, great work on the Newsletter. Small suggestion for next month's edition though. For those of use that have Bots archiving our talkpages, it would be helpful if the newsletter had a timestamp for the Bot to go by... WjBscribe 12:39, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject LGBT Studies

Arrr. garik 00:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Owen Blacker

Yeah, I'm almost certainly the Owen Blacker on a Downing Street petition; I'm a director of mySociety, the company that built the petitions site for Number 10 ;o) — OwenBlacker 10:39, 1 March 2007 (UTC) PS: Congrats on your election as Coordinator!

(Copied from User talk:OwenBlacker) for context

WOW! I have to say, I really admire theyworkforyou.com. Maybe you can tell me why there's a counter for the number of times a speaker has ended their sentence with "with"?

Oh, and thanks for your congrats - It's just as exhausting as before I was elected but now I have a pretty title to give to journalists. :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Why not have a counter like that? ;o)

Lol, fair enough. And there's nothing wrong with pretty titles *GRIN* — O x 10:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

You are not being civil

Your comments about Evrik were not nice, nor were they civil. In response to all of this, I have called for more coordinators to step forward to help step forward so that Evrik isn't the target of abuse by people who don't get their way and who don't understand the process. Also, at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Awards/major_overhaul#Major_overhaul, I have proposed that we set a thirty vote threshold for any new barnstars, and a fifteen vote threshold for new WPA's and other awards; we suggest in the rules that only members of the WPA committee be allowed to move new awards to the awards pages; and that we say that a WikiProject has to have been in existence for six months and have 30 members to list their award. --South Philly 15:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm...

• I really don't know what to say about this. ---evrik ^(talk) 21:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter: Issue XII - February 2007

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XII - February 2007
Project news The new consolidated review department—combining the existing project peer review and A-Class review with a listing of project articles undergoing various external featured content candidacies and reviews—is now operational. Two new templates have been introduced: {{Infobox Firearm Cartridge}}, a primary infobox for use with firearm cartridges and artillery shells. {{Command structure}}, an auxiliary infobox designed for use with {{Infobox Military Unit}}. An effort is being made to have task forces maintain annotated bibliographies for their topic areas; several task forces have already begun to construct them. The project reached two important milestones this month: 500 active members and 30,000 articles in the assessment system. A military version of Wikipe-tan has been created; a new userbox featuring one of the images is available for interested project members.	From the coordinators The third project coordinator elections have now concluded. Seven coordinators have been selected to serve for the next six months: Carom (talk · contribs) FayssalF (talk · contribs) Kirill Lokshin (talk · contribs) Kyriakos (talk · contribs) LordAmeth (talk · contribs) Petercorless (talk · contribs) Wandalstouring (talk · contribs) Congratulations to the winners, and thanks to all of the candidates who put themselves forward for this responsibility, and to the retiring coordinators for all of their efforts to improve the project! Kirill Lokshin, Lead Coordinator
Current proposals and discussions {{Infobox National Military}} is being developed to replace the old {{Military}} template; comments on the draft version are welcome. A proposal to introduce a category tree for military campaigns, as well as a number of associated classification guidelines, is being discussed; comments would be very appreciated.
To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please list yourself in the appropriate section here.

Delivered by grafikbot 17:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Needs You poster

Hi, I've created a PDF version[11] of your "Wikipedia needs you" poster... MS-Word isn't the best choice[12] for getting the word out ;-) Feel free to use however you see fit. nield 19:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

No, PDF is an open standard. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nield (talk • contribs) 19:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

I'm Fine :-)

Hi Dev

I'm perfectly fine thankyou :-). I've just been very busy with work, so I don't have much time to fix up my wikipedia page :-(. Nice work with the new adoption. I'll drop her a line saying hello. Thanks, keep up the good work. Qwertyca 20:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Top 20 WikiProjects

Well, Top 30 really. Because Lookie There!!!!!

1. Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history => 548
2. Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts => 476
3. Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedians against censorship => 408
4. Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiki Syntax => 374
5. Wikipedia:WikiProject Architecture => 374
6. Wikipedia:WikiProject Films => 369
7. Wikipedia:WikiProject Spell Check => 352
8. Wikipedia:WikiProject Typo => 352
9. Wikipedia:WikiProject Organized Labour => 349
10. Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics => 329
11. Wikipedia:WikiProject Userboxes => 324
12. Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography => 294
13. Wikipedia:WikiProject Space Missions => 277
14. Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels => 227
15. Wikipedia:WikiProject Football => 225
16. Wikipedia:WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia => 222
17. Wikipedia:WikiProject Melbourne => 210
18. Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam => 206
19. Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia => 196
20. Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics => 195
21. Wikipedia:WikiProject Harry Potter => 183
22. Wikipedia:WikiProject Red Link Recovery => 164
23. Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft => 156
24. Wikipedia:WikiProject Metal => 156
25. Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan => 153
26. Wikipedia:WikiProject Nintendo => 151
27. Wikipedia:WikiProject Lithuania => 149
28. Wikipedia:WikiProject India => 147
29. Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify => 147
30. Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies => 142

-- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:08, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Cool beans! Aleta 22:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Obselete already though: we just hit 148 members. :D Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 01:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Hunh. I just noticed that it was looking for links that had "/User:" in the address. Which means in wasn't counting people like mbedwell (talk · contribs), where the username is an edit link. Since it did that for all wikiprojects, the order is probably very close, though the numbers aren't exact. <sigh> :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:53, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Um, did you by some chance just count up the number of links of the form "User:Whatever" on each project's page? You're getting massive overcounts for projects that have discussions (or anything else that involves signatures) on the project page itself (e.g. Wikipedia:WikiProject Organized Labour and Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts). Kirill Lokshin 05:44, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeh, okay... So it's not exact - in fact it was a quick and dirty job. Dev, take the above list with a fairly large grain of salt :) I did look for any projects that used "/Membership" or "/Participants" pages and use those instead, but the above shouldn't be taken as exact. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:56, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, Thanks...

For letting me know about the other place to change the collaboration. I knew there was something else to fix the template, but didn't know what/how. Aleta 22:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Oops

I know that you must have accidentally changed the particpants section, so I fixed it. --South Philly 23:42, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Tabulation

Oh, you think the script has just been waiting by the phone for you to call? I'll have you know it's been hanging out with hundreds of gay porn stars, so you're going to have to take a number.

(Yeah, okay, I'll make the conversion this evening.) —Celithemis 00:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Disappointed

I was saddened and surprised to see your name among those calling for Essjay's resignation. Especially from the two positions in which he is hardest working and does most for the community. I had hoped for better from you. That was badly done in my opinion. WjBscribe 01:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Since when has people's claimed academic crednetials made any difference to their edits on Wikipedia? For that matter when have you ever defered to anyone. Nevermind the fact that Essjay has barely been active in the mainspace at all. Nowhere does it say that User profiles are given under oath. The real issue here should be why people writing an encyclopedia should be under such pressure that they need false identities to ward of stalkers. I mean Brandt sent a letter to Essjay's priest trying to find out who he was for fucks sake. None of this has any bearing on whether he is competent to be a checkuser or have oversight. And I point out that neither of those are granted through community concensus. None one is saint- we shouldn't start screaming at each other to resign everytime someone puts a foot wrong. I'm going to bed in the hope that I feel less angry about this matter tomorrow. WjBscribe 01:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

"To his advantage"? What advantage? What advantage do any of us get from editing Wikipedia?

And I'm not aware of any position in life that requires "absolute trust", no one is absolutely trustworthy- everyone is human. Feet of clay all round.

Is there any proof that he ever misused his checkuser or oversight access? No. Therefore he should stay in those positions.

And I hope those who have participated in this below-tabloid witch hunt come to feel suitably ashamed of themselves. WjBscribe 01:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Sigh. Well this one hasn't gone the way I hoped. I find myself in a slim minority and given the mountning evidence on that RfC page, especially that he once heavily criticised an editor for false claims of real world credentials, I can understand why. I hope now for a show of compassion to let the poor man lick his wounds in private. The RfC page makes disturbing reading- not sure how I would feel if it was about me.
For those words above which now seems overly harsh I apologise. WjBscribe 01:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

LGBT peer reviews

Maybe we should be putting the collaboration of the month's peer review at WP:PR? It might be more fruitful (in terms of advice and help). In fact, someone not familiar with LGBT topics might do some good. -- Ash Lux ^{(talk | contribs)} 04:05, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

LGBT Collaborator of the Month/Week/etc.

What do you think about giving a "LGBT Collaborator of the Month" (or week, etc.) award? It might be a good way to acknowledge the hard work someone has done in the last month or week (or two). They don't need to be part of the LGBT WikiProject, just contributing to LGBT articles. Actually "LGBT Editor of the Month" is a better name. -- Ash Lux ^{(talk | contribs)} 04:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

quick tip of the hat

I thought I'd come out of retirement to make a quick tip of the hat (was reading the paper this morning over breakfast)...  :-) --Larry laptop 10:19, 2 March 2007 (UTC) (formerly the editor known as Charles Knight).

Oh yes, another one. You came across very well, it was a nice article. Cheers, Moreschi ^{Request a recording?} 14:54, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh.My.God. I just read the article. :-) It was great! No mention of the LGBT project, but I guess that's understandable. I liked this sentence a lot (well, I liked everything, but this in particular): “Impossible dreams make you accomplish stuff. You have to dream big.” Just one question Dev -Theology? ;-D Raystorm 17:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Did you know? was updated. On 2 March, 2007, a fact from the article Classification of transsexuals, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Yomangani^talk 13:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

WPA Coordinator

Personally, I don't care that you don't want me as the coordinator, really. It's a thankless role. What I care more about is the wikiproject being hijacked. Your removal of the coordinator section is disruptive.

Put it up for a vote to those people who were members of the wikiproject (and the braintrust) as of 12:01 am today - and give them a week to vote. I'll abide by the consensus of the group. --evrik ^(talk) 03:30, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dev

... i saw that you mentioned that you felt my posts to essjay were harrassing, and I was surprised. I tried to be polite and sincere without being mean, and still feel that this issue needed to be dealt with. I also see that you also feel that essjay should resign. I understand that you're probably just calling it the way you see it, but i don't like to think that someone would accuse me of harassing someone else after the fact without haven spoken to me directly - especially because they now seem to agree that something very serious has happened. Anyways - i don't think it's fair to label me as a harasser (did i just make up a word?) - and will gladly have a conversation with you if you'd like..... hope you're good... Purples 11:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

hi again...

well, you're certainly correct that i started three threads trying to get to the bottom of something - and you're right that some of the editors who watch essjays page took umbrage. I actually felt they were quite aggressive towards me. When i got no response, i tried to continue raising things calmly because i felt that this was a serious issue that wasn't going to go away. I hope essjay is going to move forward from here, and have wished him luck - best, Purples 22:28, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Awards

I would but I must be honest. After an extremely bad experience at FPC I am more than wary of the Awards project, just based on what I have read thus far on the talk page and the stuff linked from there. I am really not contributing to the Wiki so I can get into stupid arguments about stupid things. I really like the idea of Barnstars and awards though, I think they are very motivating to the community in general and a nice way to say "Hey I saw what you did, good work."

Unfortunately, from what I have seen of the Awards project the goodwill that the Barnstars are meant to promote is not duplicated by the project meant to promote the awards.A mcmurray (talk • contribs) 03:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Help

Hey Dev! What page could I go to to find out my amount of edits, because the one I usually use has been taken of the internet. Respond ASAP SVP! --Cheers :) Zazzer 15:22, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Alot! Wow your really fast! --Cheers :) Zazzer 15:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey could I get some feed back here? --Cheers :) Zazzer 15:52, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Jumpaclass

No, I don't think Intersexuality is ready for a GA review. It's unfortunate (for me) that it started out with a B-class assessment, but I added it to the JAC list anyway, because it really was a mess and I needed some motivation to fix it up. It's still a bit of a mess, however, so maybe I'll try to aim for GA class in the future. Another option is making it a WP:LGBT collaboration some month, but I don't know if the topic is LGBT-related enough for that. Thanks for reviewing the other JAC articles; I thought they would be there forever. What exactly is the process for reviewing articles? Does just anyone (besides the one working on the article) do it, or is there a system? Thanks, — Emiellaiendiay 18:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Awards Coordinator referendum

There has been some conflict at Wikipedia:WikiProject Awards. Please vote on the Coordinator referendum. --South Philly 19:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Andrew Van De Kamp picture

Hi there,

Thank you for being with me in this, I mean there is nothing wrong right ? And your right we'll see what the admin will do ;)

Blessed Be,

Y.DarthYotho 23:03, 10 April 2007 (UTC)