User talk:ElinorD/Archive01
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Hi. I left you a welcome message at commons:User talk:ElinorD with links that should help you find your way around there. You may also want to read commons:Commons:Derivative works if you will be taking pictures of figurines. I'm afraid that I cannot be of much help with your login difficulties -- I cannot explain why you're having the difficulties you've described. There's no need to be concerned about "uploading too much"; serving image files can be expensive, but storing them isn't. Use the exact same "wikicode" to add an image to an article regardless of whether it is hosted at Commons or locally. Finally, remember to be bold in updating pages. If your image edit doesn't improve an article, someone else will just remove it. You can browse through Wikipedia:Featured articles to get a sense of what some community norms are for the number of images in an article. Jkelly 22:12, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Martin Luther revertseditThanks for your help with this. User has been blocked for 3 hours; I wish it was more. Keesiewonder talk 23:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Pesky vandalseditThanks. To answer the question that the vandals were interrupting, you might want to read de minimis. We tend to err on the conservative side of the derivative work question. You can find people willing to opine at either Wikipedia:Media copyright questions or at commons:Commons talk:Derivative works. User:Lupo is a good resource, as well. Jkelly 01:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
NighteditHi Elinor, thank you for your kind comments about Night. I'll take a look at the Shlomo/Chlomo thing. :-) SlimVirgin (talk) 10:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Thx, but thinx..editThank you 4 the logical analysis of how Calton acted out in public. However, I want to point out that while Cal is not always wrong, it is not right that you believe him at face value about his claim that the Gazette link is bad. IS it bad? WHY? Where's the proof? How is THIs link any different or any worse than other links? you need to think critically. He MIGHT BE right, but we need to make sure: Many 'blogs' are used as both sources for news items ANd as opinions and advocacy links. (I don't think the Gazette is a blog, but even if it were, I say this is no big cause for concern.) Also, don't get scared and run off; I don't much have time to edit in this wiki, so we need all types of people to step up to the plate and swing the bat -you included! Lastly, while I am not the last word on the Schiavo matter, I not only have first-hand knowledge, I also came closer than any other person to saving her; i narrowly lost my bid before our state's high court to save Terri, incredible when you consider I am both poor, not connected, and not a lawyer or immediate family member of Terri. This is a matter of record in the courts and elsewhere. Thus, I have some insight on the matter. Thx, but plz 'THINX' before taking the word of another, such as Cal, without proof. --GordonWatts 03:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks...edit...for reverting vandalism to my user page! —Wknight94 (talk) 02:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC) Your noteeditYou're welcome, and yes, without phrases like "scatalogically challenged," it does seem a little duller. :-) I don't disagree with you about the PhD thing, by the way; I'd just like to see better sources used than the Sun. SlimVirgin (talk) 00:10, 10 February 2007 (UTC) input soughteditIn a message to several recent editors of Schiavo-related pages, I write that: Input is sought here: Talk:Government_involvement_in_the_Terri_Schiavo_case#Edit_War_between_me_and_User:Calton. --GordonWatts 15:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
If the arguments for verifiablilty and reliability are used as you suggest, then why don't we remove ALL those Terri's Fight and Terri's Blog links and any link to something that is not, say, the NY Times? We see LOTS of links to blogs and smaller web-papers on wikipedia, and we don't remove all them. (Or, should we?) Can you see where I'm going? If you want to critique the links to my paper, then you should critique those links even more, and you can see there are lots of them; Also, as I stated, I am not a "Jonny 1 Note" paper, publishing on just the Schiavo matter, so my paper is indeed credible as a news source. I feel that I am more credible than those blogs being used (and they're not bad links; Both pro-life AND pro-euthanasia blogs are routinely used as opinion links, and rightly so, I think.) My main beef with "the process," as you call it is this: The only reason MY newspaper is under the microscope is because I'm an editor here at wikipedia, and people don't want to take the time to look at other links. But if you are really fair, you will see that my paper, while not as "credible" as, say, thr NY Times, stands on equal -or higher -ground than many other links used as sources, and thus lesser treatment is merely a convolution and perversion of wilipedia policy, whichis to say "unfair, or bitter" editing by those who edit to attack. Now, if you can't find any other links that are as "small" as my paper, then you have a good case to reject "my" paper as too small, too unreliable, not credible, etc. See, I could be wrong.--GordonWatts 22:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC) Including text of Creed in Christianity articleeditHi, regading the vote on Christianity, I thought your possition was that you could live with the removal with the box? If so, you should also add a vote like the other editor did under that category too, saying, "Could live with it"--unless you've changed your mind. Thanks.Giovanni33 02:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Your signatureeditHi Elinor, thanks for your note, and you're welcome regarding Gillian McKeith. As for your signature, the way to get it without color is to go to your preferences, and enter [[User:ElinorD|ElinorD]] [[User talk:ElinorD|(talk)]] into the box for the signature, then check the box for "raw signature". If you want the word "talk" to be in a different color (in the following example, purple) or superscripted, you would enter [[User:ElinorD|ElinorD]] <sup><font color="Purple">[[User_talk:ElinorD|(talk)]]</font></sup> I hope this helps. I also hope it works. :-) SlimVirgin (talk) 10:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! (McKeith)editThank you for your kind words! Unfortunately, it will only make my wikipedia addiction harder to cure! :D I used to just edit articles, and lately I've been dealing with people, which is even more fun! But the funniest thing though, and I can't get over it, is that there are only skeptics on that page, and the more moderate skeptics have been labeled all sorts of things. Seriously, I have never been so accused of POV pushing before, and I'm an atheist who edits God. Unbelievable! :) --Merzul 01:09, 16 February 2007 (UTC) My spatially infamous ref tagseditHi Elinor, you're right that most editors write their ref tags directly after the punctuation with no space. I don't like doing that, because it's not what publishers do (so far as I can tell), so I don't know why we should. It doesn't look too bad when it comes after a punctuation mark, like this,[1] because the comma provides a space between the last word and the tag, but when a ref tag is placed directly after a word, as with the example[2] here, it looks very crushed, in my view. The problem seems to lie with the square brackets; without them, there would be more space. Of course, it's possible that my browser is making me see things differently (Firefox for Mac) from editors who use Windows. Anyway, that's why I do it and that's why I made that edit, because my memory is that there was no agreement when the tags were introduced that there should or shouldn't be a space; feel free to revert me if you disagree. My tags-with-a-space are forever being reverted, so I don't fight over it; I just continue on my lonely, but correct, way. :-) SlimVirgin (talk) 21:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC) Christianity (Nicene Creed)editI noticed you took part in the straw poll. Please visit the talk page to engage in the discussion, so we may build consensus. Vassyana 00:09, 18 February 2007 (UTC) ThankseditThanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page. =) -- Gogo Dodo 04:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC) NPOVeditHi, just wanted to let you know that your edits to the diarrhea article violate Wikipedia's NPOV policy. Thanks and feel free to leave a message on my talk page. 24.175.111.135 21:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
HieditJust wanted to say how nice it is to have your input on the Christianity page. What we need is calm balanced voices of all points of view when dealing with these emotive subjects, so it's good to have you around. Just as a heads up - there is quite a bit of history of antagonism between Giovanni33 and some others so don't be suprised if people seem to over react sometimes. The details are quite boring and all done with now - but in the history of his talk page if you are at all interested. Sophia 16:45, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
My gender and my userpageeditHi, Elinor. Thanks for your note. No problem about the gender. My signature actually used to look like this: AnnH ♫, but I changed it recently. I had read some complaints (not directed at me) about people whose signatures were different from their username, as it can be confusing if you're looking at a printout of a page, and then try to search for that user at Wikipedia. You'll still see other users referring to me as Ann. Regarding my userpage, thanks for telling me. Most of the computers I use only have Internet Explorer, and it certainly looks fine in that. However, I do have access to a computer with Firefox, and will take a look next time I'm on that computer. By the way, my friend Str1977 copied his userpage from mine, with some modifications. Does his look wrong as well? Thanks for your comments at the Christianity talk page. Don't let the recent unpleasantness there scare you off. We all usually get on reasonably well together. I see you've been active at Gillian McKeith. I have it on my watchlist because it was being vandalized quite a lot a few months ago. You might also be interested in Patrick Holford. Cheers. Musical Linguist 12:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC) Barnstaredit
MJeditHi, I left a note at WP:AN/I, but just in case you don't see it, HarveyCarter has created another account. See Special:Contributions/ElvisIsTheOnlyKing. It's almost certainly HarveyCarter himself. Compare these two posts. Thanks. ElinorD (talk) 18:41, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
LicensingeditThat notice applies to my contributions of text. There was a time when people were placing all sorts of different notices on their userpages about how they license their writing, although this seems to have died down now. Such alternative licensing of text is somewhat problematic, as it could, if such licensing statements were valid (I'm not sure that they are), result in someone claiming that their derivative of a GFDL article was somehow under a different license than the GFDL (and therefore potentially infringing), or that their derivative of a public domain text was under the GFDL (not infringement, but disputable). That's complicated. I dual-license any original photography or design under both the GFDL and CC-BY-SA licenses. I'm actually not very happy with either license when it comes to images, for quite different reasons, but I want viral licensing (so someone cannot make an unfree derivative of my work) and do not know of any better options. Jkelly 18:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC) My RfAeditMy request for adminship has closed successfully (79/0/1), so it appears that I am now an administrator. Thanks very much for your vote of confidence. If there's anything I can ever do to help, please don't hesitate to let me know. IrishGuy talk 03:00, 25 February 2007 (UTC) Per this admin's request, I am notifying you of WP:RFAR actioneditPer this admin's request, I am notifying you of WP:RFAR action. Even though I am not seeking the action against you, nonethheless, you are a party, and rules require that I notify you. Observe: Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#GordonWatts --GordonWatts 07:51, 26 February 2007 (UTC) "Decline" vs. "reject"editHi. I just wanted to make sure you saw my post on this topic at WP:RfAr, since we had an edit conflict. Regards, Newyorkbrad 01:18, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Your noteeditThanks for your response. I was just trying to make the case easier to follow for those of us not not privy to private information. Open disclosure of such information should be in the interests of the community. I will be resubmitting my evidence by email as you suggested. Catchpole 12:57, 27 February 2007 (UTC) Uploading pictures and fair useedityou have eliminated me my photos of the Pope, I am the author and I am I that I have the licence for my photos, I insert to them gladly in the situated Wikipedia, and clearly that I cannot yield the rights of these photos to others, but for web the Wikipedia I can give the licence to use them, is a sin that you eliminate me the photos, for the we wikipwdia, can be interesting to have these photos, that they will be modernized every day, with all the events of the Pope, which I follow like photographer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Roccobilly (talk • contribs) 16:42, 27 February 2007.
You say to me as I can collaborate if it eliminates to me all the one which I insert? The photos I cannot insert to them….the web of the photos of the Pope it has been connected personal mine web, but it is an important service for the customers of Wikipedia, are all the photographed events of the Pope and dawns to you, creed is interesting, me it seems scorretto to eliminate without to reason and to think the usefullness of the web situated ..... you can say your personal email, in order to speak with you? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stefano Spaziani (talk • contribs) 19:11, 28 February 2007. I am Roccobilly, or put the my name Stefano Spaziani, they are a serious person who does not hide, you you do not have com nik your true name, like many others, who authorizes to you to eliminate my rows, this is a damage that fairies to all the community of Wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stefano Spaziani (talk • contribs) 19:47, 28 February 2007.
I'm sorry, because I do think your photos are nice, but as I say, I don't make the policy here. By the way, please use four tildes like this ~~~~ to sign your name, because otherwise it doesn't come out right. Thanks. ElinorD (talk) 20:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC) Mary, mother of JesuseditPlease refer http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mary_%28mother_of_Jesus%29&action=history I made lengthy edits to this article citing most recent, acclaimed academic researches as references at 21:51. In exactly four minutes, you nixed my version with a comment "fringe scholarship." You could not have read my article, and reviewed the reference book and article cited in just four minutes. Most importantly, the reference I have cited is the celebrated biblical scholar and Dead Sea Scrolls authority, Professor James Tabor's most recent book. Eminent biblical experts like Professors Bart Ehrman, Arthur Droge, and Eugene Gallagher, among many others, have praised Tabor's research. And you dismiss it under four minutes calling it fringe scholarship? Is Wikipedia being hijacked by Christian fundamentalists who want to nix critical academic scholarship? You have indulged in brazen whitewashing of facts. Your behavior is non-different from how the church blocked Galileo's research. I demand that you restore my version, and I challenge you to find any factual mistakes in it. I hope I do not have to escalate this further. Regards, KV —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kalavai Venkat (talk • contribs) 00:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC).
New headingeditI'm not sure why the statement "Information critical of Wikipedia is often removed within seconds" was removed from the policies and guidelines section of the Wikipedia entry. It's a truthful statement. I took screen shots proving this to be the case if you're interested in seeing them. How can a site boasting about its reliability be considered trustable if it systematically deletes anything negative (however true) about itself and/or its policies? What a bullshit source for information. Shame on you, Wikipedia. I hoped that I would find some integrity here, but this site is clearly biased in favor of itself.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabio Longhorn (talk • contribs)
revert as much as you pleaseeditIt's forever in the page history, and your partisan reversion as well. The level of your credibility with it. (Bjorn Tipling 16:57, 5 March 2007 (UTC)) "Good riddance"edit"Good riddance" means "I am glad to see you go". How is "I am glad to see you go" a personal attack? You are equating simply unpleasant wording with the concept of a personal attack. They are certainly not synonymous. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 17:18, 5 March 2007 (UTC) Please could you have a quick look?editI have been editing on Eliot Tokar and we have reached a complete empasse. Whenever I try and summarise and NPOV the overly-long article, my changes are undone. I suspect the page may be a candidate for deletion. Anyway I'm trying to get some fresh opinions as we are stuck. I thought of you due to your ability to stand up to bullies on Gillian McKeith:).Merkinsmum 18:43, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
User talk:Essjay revertseditHi there. I just wanted to chime in here and let you know that other people believe you are quite out of line for taking it upon yourself to revert other peoples edits as personal attacks. Me telling you that I do not like you, and your edits, is not a personal attack. If I added a bunch of ugly words and called a relative of yours something bad, it is a personal attack. Regardless of how you may feel about Essjay, it is self righteous to be the opinion police, deciding what should stay or go on a retired users talk page simply because you disagree with their statements. I would certainly never think of doing it to yours. mceder (u t c) 19:43, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I'm sure that you're just trying to help, but really, there are an awful lot of people watching that particular page, many of whom know the user well, and many of whom have been identified by the community as people to make judgements about controversial policies such as Wikipedia:Remove personal attacks. There's a whole history here; it is probably for the best to let the people actually involved work it out themselves. Jkelly 21:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Essjay's dodgy piceditYa got me :) Gwen Gale 22:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
The nameeditThat is almost certainly true. It is rather easy to verify. (→Netscott) 01:52, 7 March 2007 (UTC) Gillian McKeitheditBut you have to admit she deserved it... I'll be good in future.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.223.81.88 (talk) 14:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC). Wikipedia Community AfDeditYou may want to look at the current version of the article and consider revising your opinion since the current version has multiple reliable sources including a note about a notable award the community has recieved. Also note that nothing in WP:SELF prohibits an article on a Wikipedia related topic that is well sourced with verifiable content. That's how we can have Wikipedia and Jimbo Wales among other articles. Thanks. JoshuaZ 02:44, 8 March 2007 (UTC) PictureeditI liked the ice-cream picture. :) LaSaltarella 14:27, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
The true stuffeditYou say that i cant state my opinion are the truth on the site. Wikepedia is made by differnt people. It might not always be true what they say. And i was just adding some truth to the site. Due to the fact that it is the one true religon because it says that the only way to be saved is to accept Jesus Christ as your savior. I would like to know do you have a religon? and if so what is it? Have a nice day —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mstare88 (talk • contribs) 16:28, 8 March 2007.
--Redrover14 23:42, 8 March 2007 (UTC) Abortionediti only did that because of wikipedia's amazing bias towards left-wing liberals. if you just go to http://www.conservapedia.com/Examples_of_Bias_in_Wikipedia you will see just how "unbiased" wikipedia is. --Redrover14 23:34, 8 March 2007 (UTC) Tireless Contributoredit
Goodness meeditThank you for your patience. I just got back from reviewing the edit history of Abortion and I was exhausted just reading it. Wikipedia is a better place for your presence. SheffieldSteel 16:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Please add linkseditPlease add www.888poker.com links to the obesity, honey and sugar articles, thanks. --Falconfalcon10 17:43, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
fr: images to CommonseditThere's not much difference between doing this on en: and doing this on fr:. Upload the file under whatever filename you think is best. Edit the description to fix any errors. Tag the fr: image with fr:Modèle:Désormais sur Commons. Upload the entire original image, however. Make your image edits. If they are unquestionably an improvement, upload the new version of the file on top of the other one. If there is any chance at all that someone would question the editing, upload your edits as a different file, linking to the original as the source. Note that you are constrained to license your modifications under CC-BY-SA in this case. You don't need to contact the photographer for any of this. Jkelly 18:33, 9 March 2007 (UTC) DateseditJust to let you know that, when a date is given in full, the year has to be linked too (no comma needed between date/month and year):
It's just isolated years (and months) that are left unlinked, unless there's some special relevance to the article. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 11:41, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
QuestioneditIf I were to nominate you to be an admin, would you accept? I truly believe you are exactly the kind of contributor we need to get the tools. Please let me know. Vassyana 11:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
PhillipseditYou're welcome. Thanks for drawing my attention to these BLP issues. :-) SlimVirgin (talk) 22:51, 12 March 2007 (UTC) Read ...editThanks, Elinor, for your thoughtful post on my talk page. You seem like a nice person and you are always welcome to post on my talk page. The problem I had is, I think, not related to any English-German interference, but the shortness of the post made it look rather sharp in my eyes (a longer wording, like you have posted it, wouldn't have had the same effect). You well know that the atmosphere on this page had become very heated (global warming anyone? ;-)) in the last few days. (Also, maybe I have spent too much time on Islam-related articles.) I will try to follow your advice in the future. And thanks for the flowers (i.e. your flattering words about me being experienced etc.). I can only compliment you for your kind attitude. This will get you very far in the long run, but you will see what it will get you in a short while. Str1977 (smile back) 09:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC) |