En historiker

November 2017

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Charles Freeman (historian)

Please add an ISBN? You can use wp:RefToolbar/2.0, use {{cite book}}, or {{ISBN}} Thank you Jim1138 (talk) 21:20, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

In regards to your question on my talk page. You can click on the above links to find info on using the wp:templates. They can be cumbersome. An ISBN example: {{ISBN|978-0312851828}} (the nowiki stuff inhibits compilation of code) which generates: ISBN 978-0312851828 You can look at other pages which use cite book references or at the instructions on {{cite book}}. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 22:29, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

December 2017

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Charles Freeman being criticized by scholars of science because he tends to perpetuate myths:

Hello

I hope I have done it right with the talk page intended to solve some editing issues.

I find it worth to mention that Charles Freeman has being criticized by scholars of science because he tends to perpetuate myths.

In "The Beginnings of Western Science" on page 358 by David Lindberg: After Lindberg explained the history of science's role in Middle Ages and why it is a myth that the early Christians should have destroyed it as they rather preserved it, he explained that even today some (amateur) historians without relevant expertise, tend to perpetuate outdated myths despite the conventional sholarship refutes it obviously. Lindberg wrote about, and used, Charles Freeman as an example. Lindberg wrote: “Finally, to demonstrate that such views are alive and well, I quote Charles Freeman in his Closing of the Western Mind: The Rise of Faith and the Fall of Reason (2003): By the fifth century of the Christian era, he argues, “not only has rational thought been suppressed, but there has been a substitution for it of ‘mystery, magic, and authority’. It is little wonder, given this kind of scholarly backing, that the ignorance and degradation of the Middle Ages has become an article of faith among the general public, achieving the status of invulnerability merely by virtue of endless repetition.”

In Ronald Numbers "Galileo goes to jail and other myths about science and religion” on page 9: Here Charles Freeman is again used as an example on how outdated teaching are repeated by (amateur) historians, and Freeman's name is in it. After explaining and debunking the hoary myth about some wicked early Christians should have destroyed science and why it is refuted in the academia, it states that: “The misleading accounts of Hypatia’s death and Freeman’s Closing of the Western Mind, quoted above, are attempts to keep alive an old myth: the portrayal of early Christianity as a haven of anti- intellectualism, a fountainhead of antiscientific sentiment, and one of the primary agents responsible for Europe’s descent into what are popularly referred to as the “dark ages.” Supporting evidence is available, if not plentiful.”

Thus I find it in the interests of the readers to know that Charles Freeman has been accused of perputuating myths with ragard to Middle Ages and the history of science which is not his expertise area. - Conventional sholarships refute Charles Freeman's assumption, just as my academic sources by the two historians of science suggest. If you can find any academic sources BY HISTORIANS OF SCIENCE who support the outdated thesis of Freeman's, then i would like to see them: they do not exist.

Therefore I think Charles Freeman's page should contain the information of Lindberg and Numbers, two renowned historians of science, who accuse Freeman of perpetuating already debunked myths. — Preceding unsigned comment added by En historiker (talk • contribs) 01:33, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

You should post the above on Talk:Charles Freeman (historian) --NeilN ^{talk to me} 14:34, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

• Yes. In addition: a. don't insult other editors; "paranoid" is never a word to use when discussing others on Wikipedia; b. please read WP:CITE and do citations properly. This is just completely insufficient, as any Freshman Comp student can tell you after they did the research paper. See this edit, for instance. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 15:48, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

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Thank you. NeilN ^{talk to me} 01:55, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

@NeilN - I suggest you to see this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Charles_Freeman_(historian)

En historiker (talk) 12:44, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Assessment of evidence against Yury Dmitriev

Thank you for adding a brief passage to the opening section of this page, concerning the general response of Dmitriev's family, friends and colleagues to the terrible charges brought against him last year.

Yesterday's court hearing in Petrozavodsk 26 December 2017) considered the assessment of the evidence made by the new forensic experts. To the dismay of the judge and the prosecution the new assessment did NOT find any pornographic element in the photographs Dmitriev took of his adopted daughter.

The whole debate can be examined in more depth on the regularly updated Dmitriev Affair website.

John Crowfoot (talk) 09:14, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

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That article can just be deleted since I already have removed the article to the page of Ronald Numbers En historiker (talk) 16:53, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

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