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Speedy deletion nomination of Sør-Fron Church

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I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Sør-Fron Church for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

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For contribution to articles about churches

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	Thanks for your work on the article about Church architecture. It has been in need for a long time. Amandajm (talk) 02:40, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

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Churches in Norway

Thanks for making an excellent start on this topic. I really enjoyed reading your introduction. I was wondering whether it would be useful to add more details of the interiors, especially perhaps the carved altarpieces and pulpits from the Medieval period. I believe a number of Norwegian churches also have frescos from the same period. Maybe also a word about more recent developments in religious art.--Ipigott (talk) 09:16, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback. You are right, this is just a start. Topics that should be added include style (period), design (floor plan), decoration details (interior, exterior), and materials/technique (important topic in Norway). Some of this is already covered in other articles on English WP (I will copy and paste), other topics need to be translated. When more topics and details are added, the article needs more structure (headings). --Erik den yngre (talk) 09:36, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

And thanks for copy-editing, that was really needed! --Erik den yngre (talk) 09:42, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

For the architectural features, you might be inspired by Church architecture in Scotland although I can see from your Norwegian and English articles on the octagonal churches you have a pretty good idea of where you are going. I also liked your Korkskirker I Norge. Maybe you could put it into English as Norwegian cross-shaped churches. Personally, I find these top down articles extremely useful. I have written a number myself, for example Architecture of Denmark (which also has quite a bit about the churches) and Church frescos in Denmark. If you would like any help with your English articles, just let me know. Interesting to see you are from Sogn og Fjordane. About a dozen years ago, I was involved in a project with the archivists there who were putting lots of interesting stuff on the internet.--Ipigott (talk) 15:49, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for very useful ideas. Top-down articles are very useful, but also difficult to write as it is easy to get lost in details (articles about single buildings are much easier). A good, reliable source that provides an overview of such a wide topic is a good starting point. Please let me know if you know about sources or other articles on WP. Regards --Erik den yngre (talk) 12:58, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

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Fixed. --Erik den yngre (talk) 11:54, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

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Fixed. --Erik den yngre (talk) 12:19, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

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Cross-country skiing

Hi Erik, with your and User: Cornellier's assent, I would move the Talk:Cross-country skiing/sandbox into Cross-country skiing. Please let me know at the talk page. User:HopsonRoad 21:15, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Erik, I did some cleanup of the Terminology section of the article to make the language more idiomatic. I added and subtracted some definite articles. You might want to check that I didn't alter the original sense of translated material. More importantly, do you mean "shooting at a target while skiing at top speed," literally? In modern biathlon, one stops to shoot. These words suggest that one shoots on the move, like cowboys in Westerns! Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 17:21, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, the source clearly says "downhill race with shooting at target at top speed". The accompanying drawing shows soldiers aiming rifles at target while gliding downhill on skis. --Erik den yngre (talk) 17:26, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

@HopsonRoad: Thanks for the cleanup, but some words are direct quotes from the original, so I reversed those changes. --Erik den yngre (talk) 17:35, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

New skiing navbar

Hei hei !! I've taken my first crack at creating a navbar template, and I've added to the bottom of skiing. Check it out! Could be useful to add to various skiing articles? Or maybe we don't like templates? I'm not sure yet. Med vennlig hilsen --Cornellier (talk) 23:05, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

@Cornellier: I like navbars! I think that is an excellent way navigating between related articles, details we can of course discuss, but a great initiative. --Erik den yngre (talk) 09:40, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

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Hi Erik, this is to thank you for helping bring Cross country skiing to GA status, which it received a few minutes ago! Sincerely, User:HopsonRoad 03:14, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Oslo

Could you please specify why you reverted my edit on Oslo?

• The ref "Redaksjon (August 2012). "Fire ganger mer krim i Oslo enn i New York". Osloby.no (in Norwegian). Retrieved 28 August 2012." is calling for the date parameter two times, and it needed to be removed.
• I'm quite certain that every municipality article about Norway on wikipedia needs to specify the language form.
• And the pronunciation, you stated in your revertion unsourced removal of IPA, when the IPA didn't have a source in the first place. Could you please explain why you reverted my edit?

–– ♫ Mara/Freya ♫ 10:05, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, by mistake I reverted language and date edits, OK now. But the pronunciation you can not change just because of personal experience, the intro also states that this is a rare variant. --Erik den yngre (talk) 10:22, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

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Link removed. --Erik den yngre (talk) 09:27, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

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Translation

Hi Erik, The Cross-country skiing (sport) article gives a translation, as follows: "In Norwegian, langrenn refers to 'competitive skiing where the goal is to complete a specific distance in groomed tracks in the shortest possible time.'" Since grooming in English implies a machine and the term, langrenn, predated grooming, would it not be more accurate to say, "In Norwegian, langrenn refers to 'competitive skiing where the goal is to complete a specific distance in pre-set tracks in the shortest possible time'"? Sincerely, User:HopsonRoad 03:55, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

I think that is fair. In Norwegian we used the word løype or spor. Noun løype corresponds to verb løpe (to run, slide or hike) and means a ski-trail or ski-path (used for all kinds of skiing, not XC specific). Whereas spor means trace or track and refers to the visible markings left by a skier in snow. In some dialects or old Norwegian there was also the word låm (lom) = løype, combined with sla (english: slope) gave the international word slalom ("ski trail on a slope"). --— Erik Jr. 10:33, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Birkebeinerrennet

Hi Erik, I've commented out material from your last edit at Cross-country skiing (sport) , which is not supported by the ref. The Birkebeinerrennet site says "Men 85 years and older". The ref is about a single individual. I feel that this level of detail belongs more properly at the Birkebeinerrennet or Worldloppet Ski Federation articles. Sincerely, User:HopsonRoad 15:37, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

@HopsonRoad: Well they did actually have a class 90+ that year for the 94 year old gentlemen. These details are examples to show what "age groups" and "open to the public" really means. Readers not familiar with Birkebeiner or Vasaloppet may not understand. My intention was not go into details about particular races. --— Erik Jr. 15:44, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Wording

Hi Erik, I don't understand your sentence in X-C (sport): "Competition also takes place within classes or age groups," Specifically, what are "classes" as distinct from "age groups"? There is nothing in the references in English that support this. I also find it awkward that some material is supported by references in Norsk in this English article—it's a little hard to verify material or to read further with such material. Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 22:21, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorry about that. There are typically an elite group (or class, defined by previous performance) as well as age groups (dont know if class is the appropiriate term in English). So there is an overall winner and winners by age groups. There is also a medal to everyone that completes within a specified time for each class. And I guess also a diploma for everyone that completes. This distinguishes "turrenn" from ordinary XC. Details vary but as far as I know the basic set up is the same for the major once like Vasaloppet and Marcialonga. --— Erik Jr. 23:28, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Kiandra snow shoe club reference needed

Hi Erik, can you supply a reference for "Skiers at Kiandra used wax made from oil, rubber or fat to increase downhill speed, it is not clear if these methods were invented there or imported from California" at Kiandra snow shoe club? Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 03:50, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

It's Vaage 1952 as shown in the text. --— Erik Jr. 09:50, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi Erik, thanks for the new material at Kiandra snow shoe club. Two questions:

1. Does Andersen shed light on the founding date of the club?
2. When you say the Andersen "believes that Jens Olsen was one of the founders of the Kiandra Snow Shoe Club", is that speculation on his part or did he see documentation?

Sincerely, User:HopsonRoad 14:34, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Andresen writes (translated): "it is said that Jens Olsen and his friends founded the ski club". So it is very vague, and he does not refer to specific documentation, although the entire book is based on letters from emigrants (and interviews with living relatives). It seems like this Jens Olsen also used the name James Holston. He married Margaret Carter from Scotland. They had residences in Providence and Adaminaby at the lake. Jens Olsen died in 1926. --— Erik Jr. 14:45, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Expansion of ski wax article

Hi Erik, I've substantially expanded the ski wax article. You may wish to give it a critical looking over. Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 15:00, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

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Shogistilling?

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Oslo

Hi, Bruce Bawer has an article in enwiki and he lives in Oslo, see article in dewiki, so we can add him to the list again. Regards--Buchbibliothek (talk) 15:21, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

The Oslo article mentions a short list of some 30 people from Oslo, while the category "People from Oslo" lists a few thousand. Why pick Bawer from a list of more than 1000? --— Erik Jr. 17:42, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

He doesnt even live in Oslo. According to the phone book he lives in Notodden, Telemark county. --— Erik Jr. 17:47, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the answer, so dewiki is wrong. Regards--Buchbibliothek (talk) 20:03, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Population numbers for Oslo

Hei. Sliter med å få endret metro-folketallet på EN på Oslo-artikkelen. 1 546 706 innbyggere virker som et bedre tall basert på https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osloregionen 138.40.228.170 (talk) 14:49, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Jeg reverserte fordi endringen rotet til referansenotene. Tallene må sjekkes men være obs på hvilke definisjoner som brukes og ikke slett referanser uten videre fordi fort blir rot. --— Erik Jr. 14:57, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

JEg har lagt et spm på WP:TH kanskje noen der kan hjelp. Tålmodighet. --— Erik Jr. 15:04, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larger_urban_zone Denne linken er kanskje nyttig. Oslo er listet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.148.26.23 (talk) 12:35, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

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A question. Is this edit based on the cited Holtedahl papper? –Lappspira (talk) 00:26, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes. --— Erik Jr. 00:46, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

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Hello. I have reverted your edit since the text that I removed, and you re-added, has nothing to do with the etymology of "Norway"/"Norwegians" but is about the etymology of the word Norman ("Normand" in French), and thus doesn't belong in the article. Especially since it can make readers believe that everything referred to as Norman/Normand refers to Norway and Norwegians. And we have problems enough with editors believing that everything that refers to Norse/Norseman is about Norway exclusively, instead of all Germanic-speaking Scandinavians, i.e. also Danes and Swedes, and thus claiming that everything that was Norse was exclusively Norwegian. - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 12:28, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

I dont necessarily disagree about the substance, but removing text is not the most constructive way forward. Better to tag the relevant sentence or paragraph as "disputed", then can be removed or rephrased based on discussion. I am trying to consult sources, and origin and usage of "Norsemen" is less clear than you suggest. Let us hurry slowly. --— Erik Jr. 14:06, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

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Isabelle de Charrière

Hello Erik, Would write/translate the biography of Isabelle de Charrière at the Norwegian Wikipedia? My question to you originated from the existance of the Norwegian articles of Sissel Lie in 1988 among others Isabelle de Charrière. https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sissel_Lie Sissel Lie, ‘Kvinnerolle og identitet. 'Moderne' bevissthet i noen franske kjaerlighetsromaner fra Princesse de Clèves (1678) til Corinne (1807)‘ In: Edda. Nordisk Tidsskrift for Litteraturforskning / Scandinavian Journal of Literary Research, 4 (1988), p. 354-360. She also wrote about her ‘Sjelen har intet kjønn : kvinner og kjærligheten i franske romaner på 1600-tallet og 1700-tallet.’ Oslo: Aschehoug, 1988. Isabelle de Charrière is mentioned too in https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filosofi%C3%A5ret_1740 So I'll hope you do it or find someone to do it. Boss-well63 (talk) 16:02, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

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I note your complaint about IP vandalism on the article. Another admin noted the edits are not inherently vandalism. This is a case where dispute resolution may be in order. However, and as I have warned the other user, you must not engage in an edit war and continue to revert the changes. Instead of reverting, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

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I know about the 3R rule. On Norwegian WP the 3R rule does however not apply to obvious vandalism or trolling. This case would count as obvious vandalism on NO WP as nobody would regard this as a content dispute. But I tried avoid 3R by reporting the behavior. --— Erik Jr. 18:54, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

The 3R rule is treated similarly here. I reviewed your complaint (as did another admin before me) and we both felt AIV is inappropriate. AIV is for serious and urgent vandalism issues and not a discussion about an editor. Possibly the edits are trolling, but it’s not obvious as such as of now in my view. Review the policy and explore the forums set out therein to discuss the editor or issue in a proper forum. Best of luck. N.J.A. | talk 19:09, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

@NJA: Thanks for respons. Even if this is not serious vandalism, it is obviously not a content dispute, it is plain trolling. Is Finland a country in Africa? Of course not. I reverted instantly because I did not want this nonsense to remain in the article. Discussing this nonsense with the contributor is futile. This process is very frustrating. Some facts are simply too clear to merit discussion. — Erik Jr. 19:17, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

...removing images from a private situation

...or rather adding an HQ image of high resolution that just become awarded in WLM Norway? are you then rather the one who is going to pickup up HQ images from Commons and bring them here? --Poco² 18:52, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

The photo is of such high quality that persons are recognizable, I think we should avoid that, particularly when photos are from a private occasion. Can you please please blur faces slightly? --— Erik Jr. 19:07, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

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A suggestion to rename Cross-country skiing (sport) may be of interest to you

...at Talk:Cross-country skiing (sport)#Move to: Cross-country ski competition?. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 20:41, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Erik. You may wish to add more to the discussion at Talk:Cross-country skiing (sport)#Requested move 12 January 2022. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 17:36, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Achieving consensus at Talk:Cross-country skiing (sport)?

Erik, you are invited to participate in a ranked-choice poll at Talk:Cross-country skiing (sport)#Ranked-choice poll of alternatives offered, which may help arrive at a consensus among the choices discussed. I have set up an opportunity for you to do so. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 17:51, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

You may wish to add your voice at: Talk:Cross-country skiing (sport)#How about "Cross-country skiing competition"? before the discussion closes. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 18:00, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Cross-country skiing

Erik, you may be interested in a discussion at Talk:Cross-country skiing#Travel vs transport. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 18:22, 9 March 2024 (UTC)