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Problematic IP editor

Hi there. Last April, you blocked an IP editor for a week for dumping huge amounts of data in demography articles, often with formatting and sourcing problems, as discussed at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive920#178.217.194.100's long-term edit warring and continued addition of unsourced statistics. I've just noticed that the editor seems to have resumed this behaviour since the block. I need to look into the edits in more detail (there are a lot of them), but your thoughts would be welcome. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:39, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Cordless Larry, I can see they're still making a lot of edits to demography articles - are these recent edits disruptive? This issue of what information should be included in demographics articles and in what format may benefit from drawing up some proposed guidelines and a wider discussion at the village pump. Thanks, Fences&Windows 14:33, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I still need to investigate the edits further (sorry - I got distracted with other things). It does at least appear that the IP's more recent additions are sourced. I agree that a wider discussion would be worthwhile. Pinging Jolly Janner, who has been involved in this case previously and might also have a view on this. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:43, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

One of the original issues was the IP's refusal to format numbers correctly, despite numerous warnings, and this appears to still be the case with some edits. Here, they get the number format right, but don't cite a source. For many of the other edits, it's hard to tell if the figures are supported by the sources. Take this, for instance. There are five sources cited below that table, so it's hard to know where to look. I doubt that the IP is making up these figures, but the nature of the data dumps makes it very difficult to verify anything. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:46, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

I have started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geography#Vital statistics tables in country demography articles to try to gather views on the inclusion of large vital statistics tables. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:15, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Requesting userfication

Hello, Fences and windows, I am trying to request access to deleted page, please? I found your username on the page Category:Wikipedia_administrators_willing_to_provide_copies_of_deleted_articles of those willing to provide copies of deleted articles.... only requesting so I can retain content and reference links, etc. Obra Architects is the page in question. [overzealous writer and new user, but if possible I'd like the content to either work on it or reconsider, only to retrieve content please, if possible] I appreciate your help. Thanks, J.seoulJ.seoul (talk) 15:57, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Your edit on Ruthenia

You should already be familiar with WP:NONENG. In fact, if you check the latest editing history, you may have noticed that, not only have I had only just expanded the refs and verified them to be correct (here. If you are so dubious of my integrity that you feel compelled to tag variants for 'fact', please ask Ymblanter (or another Russian speaker) to double check. Thank you. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 09:34, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Iryna Harpy - it's not a question of your integrity - Cram101/CTI Reviews copies its information from Wikipedia so it is unquestionably not a reliable source. You cannot verify that source as this is WP:CIRCULAR referencing and your own knowledge of Russian cannot be used as a reference. Someone decided to cite those Cyrillic versions with that source, but it cannot be used so needs to be replaced. Fences&Windows 11:42, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Iryna Harpy, please compare the source to the lead of Kievan Rus'. I've removed it again, please don't restore it. Cram101 rely on duping people, as with other similar "book" publishers, and we need to be wary. Fences&Windows 11:49, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

I've now understood why you referred to WP:NONENG. The reference I removed that supposedly directly supported the Cyrillic names is in English, a direct copy of a Wikipedia article. Another reference, now reference 1, is in Cyrillic and was cited at the end of the alternative names, seemingly to support other Latin names. If that reference actually also supports those Cyrillic names, that's fine. I already understood we can use non-English sources and I was never questioning this. Fences&Windows 12:00, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Fences and Windows. My apologies for my own mistake. It was the last edit of the night, and I'm in the midst of moving (setting up my place for photos pre-auction, whilst juggling the finalisation of the new place): it's a poor excuse for making such silly errors, but it happened.

The ludicrous part is that I was thinking of removing the Cram101 reference myself as I've encountered that series in other articles in the past... and have removed it as CIRC! As for the lead of the Kievan Rus' article, I should have recognised it as an incarnation of the lead as I also work on that article. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa.

As regards the Russian, Ukrainian and Polish sources, it's nigh on impossible to find English language sources for some of the details. My intention is to grab the relevant quotes and translate them into English when I have a little more time. It will make for somewhat cumbersome intext references, but it will at least serve as a stamp of being verified and translated by a hooman bean. I'm still on the prowl for quality English language texts for an article in desperate need of more RS. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 20:58, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Cool. It's great to be able to add sources from non-English sources, we definitely miss out on a lot of knowledge when we only use what's written in English. Fences&Windows 21:11, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Agreed. I do, however, prefer that at least one other party checks both the entire text, as well as the selected quotes in the translations. The major problem is that we can't guarantee that editors aren't cherry picking or inadvertently misinterpreting the source. I've encountered both good faith and serious POV usage of sources on a number of Eastern European centred articles. (Thanks for creating a reflist here: straggly refs in unrelated sections are a pet peeve of mine.) --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:36, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Reply to welcome

Thank you for your kind message. I am a religious studies scholar and have been editing here and there, very occasionally, for some years. I now adventured to write my first Wikipedia entry as a draft: Weixin Shengjiao. I studied quite carefully the pages you indicated and hope I did everything right but you may want to take a look at my draft page, which is waiting for review. One question, why the image in the Infobox appear aligned right rather than center? Than you Aida Young Aidayoung (talk) 14:43, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

No problem Aida. I've moved your comment down here, the convention is to post new comments at the bottom of a talk page. Sorry for welcoming you after you've been editing for 10 years! I fixed the image using the instructions in Help:Infobox picture. As you're a scholar in this area, you might like and be able to improve two articles I worked on a few years ago: Daejongism and Daesun Jinrihoe. Fences&Windows 18:15, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Dear Fences, again my Wiki-ignorance makes me wonder whether it's better to answer on your Talkpage or my Talkpage. I will have a look at the two articles, starting from Daesun JInrihoe. It is the larger group deriving from Gang Il-sun. My impression is that the article, which by the way is not too bad, was written in its first version by somebody whose native language is not English. Another problem is that it mostly relies on very old sources, while more recent scholarly research now does exist. Here is the message I posted on my own Talk Page: Thank you, very useful work, and please explain how you managed to put the image in the center. Weixin Shengjiao is one among several religious movements that in my personal opinion are under-represented in Wikipedia - this is the reason I also made some edit to the page about Gang Il-sun, whose posterity is extremely complicated (around one hundred religious movements derived from him) but, by the estimate of leading scholar of Korean religion Donald Baker, today may well have some ten million followers when you add up the various movements. What I mean is Gang Il-sun is an important character and deserved a more detailed entry. It is of course not Wikipedia's but our fault as religious scholars. For many years, both I and others found writing in Wikipedia difficult - and it doesn't go in the list of publications for academic advancement... As evidence of our Wiki-ignorance, I never heard before of WP-DYK. I believe the "hooks" can be that "a Taiwanese religious movement teaching I Ching and Feng Shui gathered from 1984 to 2016 some 300,000 followers" (I prefer to stay with the conservative estimate) and "ceremonies honoring the ancestors in Taiwan organized by the religious movement Weixin Shengjiao attract every year on January 1 more than 30,000, including the island's top political authorities." Best regards and thank you again Aidayoung (talk) 19:34, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Aidayoung (talk) 19:42, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

I am posting here too my answer to your comments in my own Talk Page Dear Fences and windows, I will work on Daesun Jinrihoe as soon as possible. Yes, the page shows different hands. I believe criticism should of course be kept but Jorgensen wrote his article sixteen years ago, in the immediate aftermath of the fights between the two factions, which generated a lot of hostile attention in the Korean media. The problems have not been completely eliminated, but a Council held in Yeoju in 2013 allowed the two factions to coexist more or least peacefully. DJ also tried to address the other criticism that surfaced in the media and I would say its public image is better than in 2001. Answering your questions on Weixin Shengjiao, I have mentioned in the entry that it translates "Sacred Teachings of the Mind Only." The problem however is that the Chinese notion of "mind" is not equivalent to the Western one. As far as I know, as it has received very little scholarly attention (in addition to what I quoted there are only three unpublished conference papers), WS has also eluded the radars of critics of fringe religions. Did you write the article on Daejongism as well? If yes, what is a deliberate decision to exclude the controversial matter of the relationship between Daejongism and Dahn Yoga, the organization of Ilchi Lee?Aidayoung (talk) 18:48, 21 February 2017 (UTC)Aidayoung (talk) 16:54, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Aidayoung, I did re-write Daejongism. Before I edited, it was an largely unsourced stub. I then expanded it using what sources I could find. I'm not a religious scholar and I've not got a particular interest in these new religious movements, but I stumbled on them somehow and decided to improve our coverage. I didn't deliberately exclude the relationship between Daejongism and Dahn Yoga, it just wasn't covered by the sources I found.

The reception of Daesun Jinrihoe can be framed according to the age of the sources and with your access to more scholarly sources it should be improved. Fences&Windows 20:39, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestions about Daesun Jinrihoe. I will get to it as soon as possible. Daejongism in my opinion is understandable and well-written in its present incarnation.I will only add in the next few days some updated references to scholarly literature and perhaps a sentence or two on the controversies about the relationships with Dahn Yoga. Aidayoung (talk) 11:34, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Dear Fences, I have now made a number of edits to the page that you re-wrote on Daejongism. Please check whether you agree. Best, AidaAidayoung (talk) 18:50, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Aida, that looks good. Fences&Windows 15:54, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Weixinism

Mifter (talk) 12:02, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Your close on User:Spacecowboy420

Hi, Fences and windows. Regarding your close on the latest Spacecowboy420 case, I appreciate your proposal, but restricting Spacecowboy420 from undiscussed redirects or mergers won't stop him from reckless blanking. And the main problem pointed to in these two ANI threads regarding him is his reckless blanking. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:50, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Flyer22 Reborn, you're welcome to reopen the thread if you feel the discussion needs to continue and further admin action is needed. I didn't look further into Spacecowboy420's current editing. Fences&Windows 07:24, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Flyer22 Reborn & Fences I have already planned to treat blanking articles, with the same consideration that I have agreed to use when redirecting/merging articles. As per my comments on ANI your advice "just use common sense and err of the side of caution when removing content" seems very sensible and easy to live with. (especially when combined with "discuss major changes first") - I hope that puts your mind at rest, Flyer. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 08:12, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

I responded on my talk page. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:02, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

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I left a note which might be of interest to you

Talk page note--S Philbrick(Talk) 19:42, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Sphilbrick. I tried to add the infobox, but an edit filter blocked me! The page took English Wikipedia code in the preview, but then "computer says no". I progressively removed "fk a genre", the URL and then found the Spanish wikicode, but to no avail. Spanish Wikipedia's edit filter still thought I was vandalising... I put the code on the talk page and left a cry for help. Fences&Windows 20:14, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

OK, thanks for trying.--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:49, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Sphilbrick, I was overthinking it. On Spanish Wikipedia, you can just add the empty infobox template, ficha, and it populates from Wikidata. I now have 10 edits under my belt at es.wikipedia. Fences&Windows 21:09, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Wonderful! Thanks.--S Philbrick(Talk) 00:24, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Note to self

Look up uses of infomory.com, famous101.com, answers.com, informationclearinghouse.info, Wikivisually, Wikivisual, newworldencyclopedia.org. Not reliable. Create William H. Sebrell, Jr, old scandal, Michael Scott (Chicago board of education), Steve Back? Fences&Windows 20:42, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Daesun Jinrihoe

I have finally worked on Daesun Jinrihoe. I have reorganized, updated, and expanded the entry, and restored the parts on "criticism" that had been deleted (presumably by members of the movement) but, when updated, are informative. I have maintained where consistent with the reorganization the previous material, and have included missing page numbers in already existing references.Aidayoung Aidayoung (talk) 13:45, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Nice work, Aidayoung! One IP user has been trying to santitise the article since last August. Fences&Windows 17:27, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

For coherence, I have also edited Jeung San Do (obviously written by members), Bocheonism and Gang Il-sun, and introduced a new entry JeungsanismAidayoung (talk) 17:57, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Excellent, I had considered tackling those articles too years ago but balked at the task. Fences&Windows 18:37, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Jeung San Do can still be vastly improved. Will try to do when I will have time Aidayoung (talk) 17:58, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of page Angela Yuriko Smith

Fences and Windows, I'd like to ask you to consider reversing the deletion of page Angela Yuriko Smith due to a lack of sources. Originally, this was a creation of a family member at the beginning of my career as a fiction author to show support. Seven years later, I actually do have sources and a career worth noting and would like to re add the page. I've added a page suggestion in the appropriate area. This is my first time on Wikipedia other than as a user fact checking, so I apologize for any lack of protocol. Here is the original page deletion information:

20:15, 16 May 2011 Fences and windows (talk | contribs) deleted page Angela Yuriko Smith (Expired PROD, concern was: unsourced BLP)

And here is what I added in the "Suggest a new article" section:

• Angela Yuriko Smith, American author and poet of over 15 books primarily in the horror and speculative fiction genres. Smith has also published a number of children's books. A former newspaper journalist for The Bay Beacon in Niceville, Florida and The Community News in Browns Mills, New Jersey, her prose and poetry have been published in several print and online publications, including the “Horror Writers Association's Poetry Showcase” vols. 1-3, “Christmas Lites” vols. 1-6 and the “Where the Stars Rise: Asian Science Fiction and Fantasy” anthology. Her first collection of poetry, “In Favor of Pain,” has been nominated for an 2017 Elgin Award. When not writing, she teaches creative writing at Northwest Florida State College. A member of the Horror Writer's Association and the Science Fiction Poetry Association. Angela Yuriko Smith's blog is at. The Elgin nomination for "In Favor of Pain" by Angela Yuriko Smith:. Angela Yuriko Smith's work on Amazon:. Angela Yuriko Smith with Horror Writer's Association

My bibliography is at: http://angelaysmith.com/books-by-angela-2/

Thank you for your consideration for this page. I appreciate the information Wikipedia provides and am a frequent user.

Angela Yuriko Smith (talk) 11:08, 19 July 2017 (UTC)Angela Yuriko Smith

References

Hello Angela Yuriko Smith, thank you for commenting. I have looked at the deleted article, the links you provided, and sources I can find. I'm afraid that I cannot find sufficient coverage in independent reliable sources like books, newspapers and magazines (just in brief pieces in local press like [1]). I cannot say that notability has been demonstrated, so a restored article would be quickly deleted again. Compare to the kind of sourcing I found for Ethan Siegel or Dominic Frisby. I would be willing to restore the deleted text into your userspace and merge in your proposed text, but I will not place it back into the encyclopedia as an article as I do not believe it meets our requirements for biographies. Also bear in mind that for people who are not well known public figures, a Wikipedia article can be a bad thing. It will be at the top of Google searches and you will not control it. Fences&Windows 17:13, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Following up on Dietary Inflammatory Index

It was created from here Inflammation

Text was published here[2] in Jan 2016.

Plagarism was added to Wikipedia in this edit[3]. Will just delete it all. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 03:42, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, Doc James, but I cannot see that the entire text was copied from that article. You have not demonstrated what the copyright issue is. Could you explain this in more detail, please? Fences&Windows 22:25, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

If you look at this text[4]

"Based on a search of the literature from 1950 to the end of 2010, 45 parameters were identified among foods, nutrients, and other food components that were associated with six plasma inflammatory markers (IL-1β, IL-4, IL-6, IL-10, TNF-α and CRP). A specific inflammatory effect score for each food parameter was developed on the basis of the literature review and taking into account the quality and number of published papers (1,943 articles were reviewed and scored). For each study participant in a study, the dietary data is first linked to a global database that was developed based on 11 datasets from around the world (US – NHANES; UK – The National Diet & Nutrition Survey; Bahrain – National Nutrition Survey for Adult Bahrainis; Mexico – Mexican National Health and Nutrition Survey; Australia – National Nutrition Survey; South Korea – KNHANES; Taiwan – Nutrition and Health Survey in Taiwan; India – Indian Diet Study; New Zealand – National Nutrition Survey) and thus provides a robust estimate of the mean and the standard deviation of these 45 parameters.2 Each subject’s exposure relative to the “standard global mean” is expressed as a z-score that is derived by subtracting the “standard global mean” from the amount reported, and dividing this value by its standard deviation. To minimize the effect of “right skewing”, this value was then converted to a centered percentile score. The subject’s DII score was computed by multiplying these values by the specific article inflammatory effect score for each food parameter and then summing together all these 45 values according to the following formula, DII=b1*n1+b2*n2...........b45*n45, where bi refers to the literature-derived inflammatory effect score for each of the evaluated food parameter and ni refers to the food parameter-specific centered percentile, which were derived from the dietary data, per each i from 1 to 45."

Ref says " basis of a search of the literature from 1950 to the end of 2010, we identified forty-five food parameters among foods, nutrients and other food components that were associated with six plasma inflammatory markers (IL-1β, IL-4, IL-6, IL-10, TNF-α and CRP). We defined a specific DII score for each food parameter on the basis of the literature review and by taking into account the quality and number of published papers (1943 articles were reviewed and scored). For each study participant, the dietary data were first linked to a global database that was developed on the basis of eleven data sets from around the world and thus provides a robust estimate of the mean and the standard deviation of these forty-five parameters(16). Each subject’s exposure relative to the ‘standard global mean’ was expressed as a z-score that was derived by subtracting the ‘standard global mean’ from the amount reported and then dividing this value by its standard deviation. To minimise the effect of ‘right skewing’, this value was then converted to a centred percentile score. The subject’s DII score was computed by multiplying these values by the specific DII score for each food parameter and then summing together all these forty-five values according to the following formula, DII=b1× n1 + b2× n2 +……….. + b45× n45, where bi refers to the literature-derived inflammatory effect score for each of the evaluated food parameter and ni refers to the food parameter specific centred percentile, which were derived from the dietary data, per each i from 1 to 45."

Looking further Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:13, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

With that degree of issues in the original edit here[5] best to start over IMO. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:16, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

How Can I Write an Entry on a Subject "Protected from Creation"

Dear Fences and Windows: As you know from my history of editing, I research new religious movements and "cults," not only in Asia. I have recently created the entry Bnei Baruch. It is a large, if controversial, movement, and I did mention the controversies. Its founder, Michael Laitman, is also an interesting and controversial figure in the world of new religious movements. I had in mind to create a bibliographic page but found that the page was "deleted and protected from creation." I saw there were several attempts to post as a Wikipedia entry his promotional CV. These were no real entries suitable for Wikipedia, of course, but Laitman is surely a relevant public figure both in Israel and the US in the milieus of Kabbalah and esoteric Judaism, with some 150,000 followers. Of course, the entry should cover criticism and controversies as well. But I believe it should be created and am inquiring how one can request that the protection be removed. BestAidayoung (talk) 16:56, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Aidayoung, I suggest reading Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bnei Baruch and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Laitman. These articles were both deleted in 2006 for being "self-promotional". So long as your new articles don't suffer from the problems listed in those debates, recreation should be OK. Draft a replacement at User:Aidayoung/Michael Laitman and I will check it. We should be able to get it posted. Fences&Windows 17:04, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

We may need to go to WP:DRV or speak to the admin who protected the page. For Laitman's bio, don't use any sources he wrote or by his organisation or followers. This looks useful:[6]. Fences&Windows 17:45, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Fences and Windows, I will read the material and prepare a draft as you suggest. I am familiar with the 2002 article by Blau in Haaretz and have mentioned it in my Bnei Baruch entry.Aidayoung (talk) 20:53, 6 August 2017 (UTC) Fences and Windows, I have returned to my Asian religions and wrote a couple of entries. I am still looking for material that would make the article on Laitman (if any) meaningful, in terms of adding something to what I already included in the Bnei Baruch entryAidayoung (talk) 15:24, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Tommy Sotomayor article is being vandalized again

This article is being vandalized again, could you please put a temporary lock on it as you did once before so only registered users can edit it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Sotomayor

Thank you! Neptune's Trident (talk) 02:12, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Sure Neptune's Trident, I've indef protected it. I noticed there was a comment about his name on the talk page, would this sourcing be enough to verify it? [7][8] Fences&Windows 08:40, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, that sourcing should be enough to verify his name. Thanks again. Neptune's Trident (talk) 15:14, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Article title move

Could you please move or change the title of this article? I don't believe it should be capitalized as it is now. The words on and the usually aren't capitalized in Wikipedia articles or film titles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_On_The_Blackpool_Express

Thanks again!! Neptune's Trident (talk)

Hi Neptune's Trident, the official page has those words in caps.[9] I'm not sure on our TV title rules. You should be able to move it, provided a redirect doesn't exist. Fences&Windows 21:29, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

You are correct, thanks. Neptune's Trident (talk)

Vandalism On Meade Skelton Article

This user has been posting consistent vandalism on the Meade Skelton article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/108.28.145.23

You can see the vandalism here, can you please help deal with this unregistered user:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meade_Skelton_(singer)&action=history

This user has done this multiple times. Thanks! Neptune's Trident (talk) 16:41, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Neptune's Trident, I semi-protected the article and blocked the user for a week (before I realised the edit was a couple of weeks ago). Fences&Windows 19:19, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! Neptune's Trident (talk) 23:26, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

P.S. As you can see by this user's talk page they've been vandalizing this same page for months and have gotten repeated warnings to stop vandalizing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:108.28.145.23

Thank you again! Neptune's Trident (talk) 23:28, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Rollback

I've been doing some edits at the Rapture article, but I noticed that an unregistered editor removed a whole section there and added some polemical material. Though, I'll try to assume good faith on that user's part, I worry that this article (because of its controversial nature) is likely to attract vandals. In order to properly curate the article, I was wondering if I could be granted rollback. I will use it only rarely and with restraint—in instances of obvious vandalism. Thanks, Garagepunk66 (talk) 04:40, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Done! Fences&Windows 20:53, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Complex situation with SPA editor

Greetings Fences and windows. I chose you for this missive because you're the latest admin to edit WP:ADVOCACY. User:Unkledaddy2017 is an SPA editor, active since Sept 2017, editing only Kyle Snyder (wrestler). It's a well done article, but an over-the-top and unsupported superlative lead to the discovery of this editor's work. If you read my recent contribution to his Talk page, I think it sets forth the issues involved clearly. This is an unusual situation, so I thought it best to contact an an admin for input. If you reply, please do it here. Thanks and regards Tapered (talk) 06:30, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Tapered. You've done the right thing by discussing this at their talk page. You can also raise issues at Talk:Kyle Snyder (wrestler). What is the issue with their username? You can edit the article to remove WP:PEACOCK terms and improve the sourcing, and cut down the lead - it should summarise the content, not introduce new material. Alternatively, you can tag and explain the problems on the talk page. If they won't collaborate and start reverting, then add a note to the talk page and seek third opinions from Wikipedia:WikiProject Sports. p.s. Ivan Yarygin Memorial Grand Prix is a redlink and seems notable. Fences&Windows 19:02, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks. Re the user name. Unkledaddy created for a single purpose for a human gives at least a hint of a possible familial relationship to the subject—hence my concern. It will take me a day or two to address the issue, but this is a start. Tapered (talk) 01:35, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Proposed project might interest you

m:Grants:Project/ScienceSource for the full thing, wikiversity:Talk:WikiJournal User Group#Discussions with PMR about WikiJournal and Wikidata for the tactical side of how WikiJournal might be treated. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:34, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Meade Skelton Page Being Vandalized Again

Hello, this page about singer Meade Skelton is, once again, being vandalized by trolls and unregistered editors, please see the recent history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meade_Skelton_(singer)&action=history

If you can be of any assistance with stopping this vandalism please help, thanks! Neptune's Trident (talk) 18:21, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't think that content was "vandalism". It's debatable whether the content belonged, but it seems to be verifiable that Skelton did make both that blog post (he didn't deny it in a Reddit AMA [10]) and that YouTube video. He's not a well-known singer and the press coverage in the article and that I can find is all local; as his article is a magnet for controversy, might deletion be the best option here? Fences&Windows 18:59, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't know. He has minimal references. That's all I could find. I'll leave it up to you whether to delete it or not. At this point I don't mind either way. Neptune's Trident (talk) 21:30, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Could you please help with this unregistered user who continues to post these comments on the Meade Skelton article, they are poorly formatted and and there to attack the subject:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/108.28.145.23

Or just remove the article. Thanks! Neptune's Trident (talk) 23:40, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

I warned the editor and semi-protected the page for one year. Fences&Windows 23:54, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks very much! Neptune's Trident (talk)

My apologies for continuing to bother you about this but another user, Fairfaxunderground, is reverting the same poorly formatted updates to the Meade Skelton article, as you can see in this history link:‎

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meade_Skelton_(singer)&action=history

Neptune's Trident (talk) 17:05, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

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I have accepted and expanded your draft of John George Smyth (1815–1869), but I have a question about his political party. Could you please look at my note at Talk:John George Smyth (1815–1869)? Comment by Eastmain

Hi Eastmain, thank you so much. I'd meant to revisit this and dig out some more biographical details, so I'm grateful that you picked up the baton! I'm not sure if he swapped to the Peelites later, I'll keep looking. I found a short bio of him on the Internet Archive, see page talk. Fences&Windows 06:30, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

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The ANI close

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Thanks User:A 10 fireplane, I had no idea as it was 9 years ago! Fences&Windows 09:41, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

No problem thank you for all your contributions. Hope to see you for many more years to come. A 10 fireplane (talk) 14:26, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

I need your help

Hi! can you please check out this Florian Munteanu case. I've seen plenty of pages here on Wikipedia with actors who played a single role in a movie. I don't understand why some people complain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:4F8:1C17:530D:0:0:0:1 (talk) 14:17, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Because the article was deleted via a unanimous deletion discussion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Florian Munteanu, I can't restore it. There are other pages for actors with single roles, but see WP:OTHER. I suggest you put together a comprehensive biography of him based on as many reliable sources (not tabloids or blogs) as you can find in your sandbox. Once you've put in as much detail and sources as you can, go to Wikipedia:Deletion review. Refer to WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR when justifying why he should have a bio. Fences&Windows 20:08, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

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This editor, listed in the links below, is vandalizing Wikipedia articles, see link below, they have added content in the caption section of the infobox of the article in the first link, I've removed it yet I've included a cut and paste of it as well, please help, thanks. Neptune's Trident (talk) 15:38, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.124.229.146

Thanks for reverting. I've warned them and deleted the edit - and removed it here. You may get a quicker response at WP:AIV. Fences&Windows 23:19, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks. Wow, 10 years. Fences&Windows 20:42, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

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If you're available that afternoon, it would be good to see you there. Charles Matthews (talk) 20:08, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Charles Matthews, possibly. Thanks for the note! Fences&Windows 11:19, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Its about the 100 of edits made by Sitush in a matter of days on Kayastha. Look at its edit history. Its about the personal attack and harassment by Sitush on Kayastha talk page, which has now been mysteriously emptied. Its about the principles of being free and fair. Devputra Darshan (talk) 19:02, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

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User Bhavyar19

Hi Fences & Windows. You blocked Bhavyar19 (talk · contribs) a couple of days ago for edits made to circle. 360° and parent. It seems now that the block has expired he is back to his old ways, see Talk:Latitude (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Latitude&diff=950667695&oldid=857276872) and Talk:Latitude (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Latitude&diff=950667695&oldid=857276872). I'm slightly wary of deleting user input from talk pages, but I'm not sure that I believe these to be genuine questions or suggestions. Would you mind having a quick look please? Thanks, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 08:27, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Martin of Sheffield. Kinu got in first with an indef block. Perhaps harsh for talk page comments, but I doubt Bhavyar was going to be constructive. Fences&Windows 11:08, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

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Template:The People's Choice (political party)/meta/color has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. doktorb _words^deeds 14:44, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey. At some point in the ancient past you were either involved in the creation of the above template, or the successful AfD for the party's article's deletion. I've just put the template up on TfD so am letting editors involved at some point, even fleetingly in most cases, just in case you want to chip in the discussion. Cheers. doktorb _words^deeds 14:44, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Kartikeya Gummakonda and Ramya Pandian

I have created drafts for both the articles. The pages can be moved from drafts into articles only by administrators. Can you look at the drafts? --TamilMirchi

Hi TamilMirchi, it's not only admins who work on assessing drafts. Draft:Ramya Pandian was already declined as needing more sources. An article about her was deleted in 2018 following a deletion debate, so you need to write a solid article to get this draft approved. Tips: include as many reliable sources as you can find, e.g. [11]; avoid gossip sites; cite every sentence and every fact; interviews can be used as sources, but don't count for proving notability; any non-Indian sources you can find will help with showing notability; you can use Tamil-language sources about her; you might want to create ta:ரம்யா பாண்டியன்; include dates and authors in the references.

For Draft:Kartikeya Gummakonda, fix typos like "poitive" and include more sources like [12]. Read through all your sources and pick out every relevant fact and include it and cite the source. Fences&Windows 21:09, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Another page that I created (Gouri G Kishan) was moved to a draft. Kindly tell me how I should improve the article and make the review faster. --TamilMirchi

When seeking advice, TamilMirchi, please link to the relevant pages, i.e. Draft:Gouri G Kishan and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gouri Kishan. Also, sign using ~~~~ at the end of your posts. I can't tell what state the article was in when the AfD closed because of all the moves. Have you included all the sources linked to in that deletion debate? Her biographical details, such as where she's from, age, school and university are missing - this may help: [13]. Write an article to be proud of, not one that will just be acceptable. Fences&Windows 21:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Is the draft better now? Also, if you don't mind can you merge the histories of Draft:Gouri G. Kishan to Draft:Gouri G Kishan. Thank you. --TamilMirchi (talk) 00:40, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

That’s better, thanks. Moved live and tidied up: Gouri G. Kishan. Fences&Windows 22:19, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Kartikeya Gummakonda is now an article. Is Draft:Ramya Pandian better now? TamilMirchi (talk) 20:50, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Sitush, out of control.

See sitush's activity on kayastha article and its talk page. Need to control him. Devputra Darshan (talk) 17:34, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Replied on your talk. Fences&Windows 10:49, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Its about the 100 of edits made by Sitush in a matter of days on [Kayastha]]. Check the edit history. Its about the multiple personal attacks and harassment on multiple users by Sitush on Kayastha talk page, which has now been mysteriously emptied. Its about the principles of being free and fair. Devputra Darshan (talk) 19:04, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Devputra Darshan, please take this to WP:ANI, providing diffs and detailed evidence. Fences&Windows 23:42, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

The account is just another in a long line of CU-confirmed Sitush harassment accounts. It gave me an opportunity to weed out some sleeper accounts, so I suppose there's a plus side to the petulant ranting here.-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:51, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Jezebel's Ponyo. I was AGF, but this was not unexpected. Fences&Windows 19:35, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks for letting me know ....

about the NYTimes article. I'll just mention that The Signpost had a lot of the same info, but was not mentioned in the NYTimes. That doesn't mater of course. unless somebody were to question my article's reliability. Thanks again. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 16:42, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Smallbones, maybe I have a bad memory but I'm not sure what NYT article this refers to. Fences&Windows 20:18, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Oh, you mean the Sapan Desai exposé. I did go to the article to see if it existed yet and whether the NYT article was used there or at Surgisphere, and I was pleased to see the bio article in place, citing the NYT. I sent you "thanks" for recreating the article. Fences&Windows 20:23, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

(EC)I thought you added it to Sapan Desai! The article is here. It's a wonderful article on the subject with all the details others missed, but a month behind The Guardian and other papers. Just what's needed sometimes though. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 20:31, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Yep, that's the one Smallbones. The NYT did the legwork of speaking to former colleagues - proper journalism is still alive! Fences&Windows 22:23, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Copying within Wikipedia

Thanks for identifying the source of the material in your edit.

This type of edit does get picked up by Copy Patrol and a good edit summary helps to make sure we don't accidentally revert it. However, for future use, would you note the best practices wording as outlined at Wikipedia:Copying_within_Wikipedia? In particular, adding the phrase "see that page's history for attribution" helps ensure that proper attribution is preserved.

I've noticed that this guideline is not very well known, even among editors with tens of thousands of edits, so it isn't surprising that I point this out to some veteran editors, but there are some t's that you need to be crossed.S Philbrick(Talk) 12:16, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Noted, I'll make a note about referring to the source history in future. Fences&Windows 12:47, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Steve Coy

Hello! could you please unlock this? I need to make a DAB page for the two Steve Coys: the other one is an artist in Detroit, and part of Hygienic Dress League Corporation. I'm not experienced on making DABs, so let me know if there is a method other than what I suggest. Thanks. Possibly (talk) 05:41, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Possibly, I added a hatnote to Dead or Alive (band) as I think the band is probably the primary usage. If you get consensus that there should be a disambiguation page or that either or both Steve Coy is notable, I can unlock it. Fences&Windows 12:36, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Is it normal to keep a page protected from editing for eight years? Possibly (talk) 14:56, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Possibly, indefinite create protection is described at WP:SALT. That bio was inappropriately recreated multiple times and there were BLP issues. However, as it's possible one or both of them may be independently notable I've relaxed the protection in this case. Fences&Windows 12:02, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you kindly. Possibly (talk) 05:00, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Regarding my Topic Ban

I have questions (not many) but I don't know how to safely ask them now. Do you have any suggestions? Thank you. Kire1975 (talk) 15:31, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

You can ask here, Kire1975, I won’t consider clarifying this to be a breach and I'm happy you reached out to discuss this. Note that I added a partial block for the band and their albums. Fences&Windows 17:57, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm happy you're happy I reached out. First question, how do you know all the stories about the one who should not be named harassing inexperienced editors and bullying people with ANI reports like this one were made by "disgruntled blocked users"? Kire1975 (talk) 20:35, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Kire1975, one post you highlighted was about a justly indefinitely blocked editor and the complaint was about [redacted] editing talk page notices - very weak stuff. Whether or not literally all the comments were from blocked editors is not material. If you feel you genuinely have a case to make about [redacted]'s behaviour being sanctionable - which I doubt - you may make it once at ANI as an exception to your interaction ban and I will recuse myself from involvement so you get a fresh hearing, but I would advise against this. Revisiting this dispute will not help you return to productive editing: there are over 6 million other articles out there. Fences&Windows 21:11, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, how are you? Why ever would you doubt me? I did ask for an interaction ban against both [redacted] and Dwid hellion, so I guess you could say the discussion is still open despite the red lettering at the top of the post sayind do not edit.

Did you happen to catch where I posted about him accusing me of reinserting the word monthly while tagginng it as overly detailed five minutes after I removed the word monthly never to be seen again on the page? He then badgered me about it here and here, three weeks later here. And then when I finally figured out that the word monthly was removed by me five minutes before the first time he harassed me about it, I posted the info on the Integry (band) take page here, he then used that as a gotcha to contradict what I said about dropping the stick three weeks ago in the ANI post. WP:GASLIGHT calls this reality denial, baseless contradiction, misdirection. The whole point of it is to sow doubt and discord.

Please also review Dwid's interactions with me and decide for yourself who was abusing who. I just saw an obviously WP:PROMO page that was no encyclopedic and this is what I get for my troubles. Thank you again for listening. Happy new year to you and your family. Kire1975 (talk) 21:38, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

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One more question, is a WP:FISHSLAP a personal attack or a BLP violation? Kire1975 (talk) 21:41, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

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For the record, I'm not invested in that page one bit. If the consensus wants to remove "negative criticism", that's fine. My problem is privileges getting taken away and strikes against my reputation because a public figure is trying to manage his. Kire1975 (talk) 21:48, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

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Finally (hopefully), even if those redditors were "disgruntled blocked users" how is it "irrelevant" as you say to point out that whistleblowers have been accusing [redacted] of bullying them through the use of noticeboards like this for years? Impeaching the credibility of your accusers is the most basic form of defending yourself in a debate. But here, he just says everything I do or say is a BLP violation or a personal attack without ever assuming good faith or explaining it to me like a human.

− I hope I didn't post too much all at once. I can delete some questions and save them for later if it's easier for you. Thanks again for being interested in talking to me. Kire1975 (talk) 03:34, 9 January 2021 (UTC)Kire1975 (talk) 03:34, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Kire1975, it's okay to discuss your topic bans here with the blocking admin but you are trashing the editor you have an interaction ban with. This is not discussing the ban but discussing an editor. I suggest you condense your comments and focus on the parameters of your ban and not on Guy or you could be facing a block. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:58, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Liz: I asked Fences and windows for a safe space to discuss this matter. Now I am receiving more threats of banning while waiting almost 24 hours for this so-called "clarity" I was promised. How can anyone discuss the topic ban without discussing the accuser and his motivations? If attempting to impeach the credibility of the accuser is just more evidence of guilt, what are my options? I have now redacted the name of the one who must not be named but I have to link to to the edits he made to show Fences and windows what I'm talking about. Censoring even the ability to present evidence is just strange. Kire1975 (talk)

"discussion of a user's conduct or history is not in itself a personal attack." See WP:AVOIDYOU. Kire1975 (talk) 14:12, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Kire1975, because you're topic banned from this band and its members, you don't need an interaction ban either way. Guy Macon is also not going to bother you and you're not going to get sanctioned for discussing this here. I did look at what you said at ANI and I am afraid I was convinced that it was your actions and words that were the problem, not anyone else - this did not hinge on whether or not you added the word "monthly", but rather your general approach. "Trouting" is light-hearted, not a personal attack. Responding to a dispute with another editor by finding outside criticism is not proportionate - Guy Macon has been a lightning rod for negative comments (to quote him, "I have been so active in the areas of pseudoscience and attempting to reform the WMF, both of which resulted in a lot of people being pissed off at me for writing things like WP:CANCER and WP:YWAB or for opposing the use of The Daily Mail as a source"), but I did not find any of what you linked to relevant to the issue at hand. You say "Impeaching the credibility of your accusers is the most basic form of defending yourself in a debate"; although WP:BOOMERANG is not uncommon, you can't rely on it as a tactic. See WP:NOTTHEM, which is about appealing blocks but the principles stand. You're not showing any insight into why this did not go your way. Fences&Windows 14:18, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, one of my next questions was going to be "Per [14]:"conditions should be given by which the user can demonstrate rehabilitation and a return to normal editing." What are they?" Showing insight into why this did not go my way is one. Anything else?

Also, is it safe to unredact the later questions I just redacted here. It seems we both edited at about the same time. Kire1975 (talk) 14:35, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Go ahead and unredact your earlier comments here. If you can edit other articles and talk pages without signs of breaching BLP policy or making personal attacks, then in keeping with the "standard offer" you can appeal the topic ban in six months. Fences&Windows 15:03, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Regarding Myself(User:Hums4r)

Hi Sir/Mam, thank you for not blocking my account due to sock-puppetry, i am extremely ashamed for this, and i assure you and the whole wiki community that i will never indulge in any kind of like activity like sock-puppetry ever in the future, i sincerely apologise for it, i have learned the basics of wikipedia on 13-14 january, and i request wiki community to kindly forgive all my earlier mistakes. you gave me chance to apologise so that my account doesn't get banned. i will forever remember you because you are among the first good people i met on wiki, you took out your time to help my first article and i really appreciate it,also today you helped me by giving me another chance, i want to assure you, i might have done many mistakes in past like sock puppetry, trying to create my own article(Draft:Mutahir_Showkat) or any other issues but i have never ever taken any money for any thing, and i will never ever take money. My reason for making so much changes to (Zeyan Shafiq) is only because it is my first article and i wanted it to be as informational as possible,but i never thought i will end up being called as a paid editor. but i have learned it as well and i will never repeat it as well, i will never ever try to add any controversial/promotional/adv type of thing to any article. Thank you so much for helping me. Hums4r (talk) 23:02, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Hums4r, thank you for the apology. From now on, make sure you stick to this one account. Avoid editing on topics you have a close association with and don't try again to promote yourself! You can find editors and topics at Wikipedia:WikiProject Jammu and Kashmir and Wikipedia:India, and help as a new editor at Wikipedia:Teahouse. Fences&Windows 23:11, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@Fences and windows: i just want to ask about the maintainence tag, i have been told that the tag is for maintainence, but it is going to downgrade my reputation in the future, since i will add this article to my user page in the category of articles created by me, also will affect the subject of this article and he will maybe accuse me in the future, can you kindly spare 2 minutes to check the article for promotional parts and remove them accordingly, can i seek any help on this. thanks, also wanted to ask do you have any adoption process, i would like to get adopted by you and learn from you. pls tell me about it also. Hums4r (talk) 23:16, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

I've removed the tag, Hums4r. I've never formally adopted an account on Wikipedia, but I can give guidance and tips if needed. See Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user/Adoptee's Area for starters. Fences&Windows 23:28, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@Fences and windows:, Thank you so much for your assistance, i have taken your earlier advice and i will start from there only. If i need any guidance do i have to text you here only? also wanted to ask what if i notice there is something missing on (Zeyan Shafiq) Page? should i discuss it in the talk page before updating? since in the body there is mentioned about his parents and even on the reference articles but (TheAafi) has removed it. these things shouldn't be removed without any reference, they were earlier there. Hums4r (talk) 23:37, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

You can ping me elsewhere or discuss here. Please learn about Wikipedia:Indentation in talk threads. I don't see a need to add his parents into the infobox - what does it matter? They're mentioned in the personal life section. It is a good idea to discuss anything that isn't minor on the talk page of that bio, given your history. Fences&Windows 00:29, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar

Hi Dear Fences and windows,( i don't know your name) I have been exploring wikipedia(as you suggested) and found out we can give out appreciations in form of barn star badges. Since you have been the first admin i talked you, and because of your kindness and helping hand towards me always, i respect you and appreciate all the things you have done for me, even tho you are an admin and i am a new user to this wiki, you have guided me bit to bit, you are the reason why i was able to continue my journey on wiki after you approved my first article(something i will always be proud of). i am continously follow your suggestions to not create anymore articles and i am exploring other basic editing materials like grammer, also exploring other wiki projects like media and wiki data. Kindly accept this barnstar,- From Mutahir(From the beautiful kashmir valley). Hums4r.(Talk to me here) 16:40, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Mutahir; it's a while since I received a barnstar. I don't use my name on here. I've looked at Wikidata recently too and I found it could be used to record the tracklist of albums that aren't on Wikipedia, e.g. wikidata:Q7065796. Many Wikipedians are skeptical of Wikidata, but it can be useful. Fences&Windows 14:27, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Fences and windows yes sir, I’ve started learning about other wiki projects, i am on wikidata and wikimedia as for now, i am also a photographer so i upload pictures of beautiful kashmir valley to wikimedia and i will contribute kashmiri names for kashmiri articles in wikidata, i just wanted to confirm that can i use my pictures on wikipedia articles? Suppose i have clicked a picture of pahalgam valley, can i use the picture on pahalgam’s wikipedia article? Is it allowed or forbidden? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hums4r (talk • contribs)

Hums4r, you can use photos you have taken but be cautious: Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Adding_images_to_articles. Sometimes users get over-attached to their own photographs and put them into inappropriate articles or replace other good photos with their own. A concern can be about promotion, either of the photographer or content, e.g. the clothing brand North Face used photos to promote their brand: https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2019/05/29/lets-talk-about-the-north-face-defacing-wikipedia/. Also see Wikipedia:Image dos and don'ts. Fences&Windows 18:05, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Fences and windows, indeed sir i will follow your suggestions. I will add/replace only the pictures that are good, i will try to improve the article with good pictures only or add good pictures, you can have a look here at this picture of betaab valley i took and uploaded to betaab valley article (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Betaab_Valley_Pahalgam.jpg). If anyone would think it is a bad picture he/she can remove it surely,thanks for the suggestion .Hums4r.(Talk to me here) 18:16, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

That’s a good photo, I think, Hums4r. The addition to the article seems fine. I added it to commons:Category:Betaab Valley. Fences&Windows 18:26, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Some dude person guy

Just caught them recreating YungJJ again. I've made this update at ANI. Jalen Folf (talk) 05:44, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Assistance on an article Stalwart Esports.

Hi Dear, Hope you are safe and fine and doing good. I wanted to inform you that i have tried creating an wikipedia article again, this time i've worked on esports, while i was on a ban i noticed that there are totally no indian esport articles, i have had done research on Stalwart Esports while i was working on Zeyan Shafiq. so i thought of working on it, and maybe it will encourage other gamers from india as well to do the esport coverage of india. This time i have followed the writing style of many esport organisation's and i have tried to do my best, if you have few minutes kindly once check the article Stalwart Esports, i tried to post on esport wiki projects but it seems very dead there, maybe you can have a look and check it and let me know, also i was wondering how do i edit the talk page? i mean how do i add wikiprojects there in talk page of Stalwart Esports, If you could help me with it as well. also kindly do let me know if i have improved from the last time. Thanks Hums4r (Let's Talk) 16:57, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Hums4r, I think you should diversify your editing as this is a spin-off of Shafiq's bio. Your claim to be interested generally in Indian esports is a bit hollow as you've not edited Video games in India#Esports. I suggest you work on that section (and don't mention Slalwart or Shafiq) and work on other articles to populate Category:Esports in India and Category:Indian esports players. Otherwise, wait for the AFC queue to check the draft; I'm not personally interested in working on an esports article. Fences&Windows 19:30, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for ur suggestions, kindly check talk pages of wikiprojects:video games and wikiprojects:videogames/esports, i have posted regarding the same in the morning but no one replied and i found that people aren’t active on esports topics, also since i had researched on. Shafiq earlier, it was the reason why i had many references for stalwarts, even the page was reviewed but later was moved, that’s why i asked for ur assistance to check if the sources are reliable or not because some editor said that (sportskeeda) and (afk gaming) can’t be reliable but trust me they are major esport media agencies in india, you can visit their website to check, what should be done in this case, how do we recognise reliable website. Thanks again Hums4r (Let's Talk) 19:42, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Sockpuppet returns

Hi, on 14 January you indeffed User:KILLERXR as a sock of User:Kimley Labasan. Another account used by this editor (as admitted here) just became active again: User:Kimlabs1996. Does this need to go through ANI or sock investigations? DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 20:50, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

I told ya that User:KILLERXR is no longer a sockpoppet of User:Kimley Labasan Kimlabs1996 (talk) 21:06, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, User:DerbyCountyinNZ, I've blocked this one too. I blocked as it's obvious this was a sockpuppet, but I'm going to open an SPI too. Fences&Windows 19:36, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll keep an eye out for any more. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 03:48, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Your speedy deletion

Hi Fences and windows,

I am contacting you to let you know I disagree with your decision to circumvent regular discussion when you closed the discussion on Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 February 11. Redirects which come from plausible search terms (clearly this is at least a bit plausible since it appears in (perhaps borderline) reliable sources such as [15]), per WP:G10, since redirects are not required to be neutral. I'm not saying that I believe discussion would have necessarily resulted in keep, but people should be given their chance to participate in the discussion in the correct manner. Thanks. A7V2 (talk) 09:59, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

A7V2, I have removed the term from the section title and link. Praxidicae tagged the redirect for G10 and I concurred that it is an attack. The principle is that "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives". This is not simply a non-neutral term but one that "is offensive or abusive". It could only be kept if it were "an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources", and I could not see evidence of that. The source you shared begins "From our friends at TMZ", so it is recycling gossip. You can take this to DRV, but I do not want to further discuss this. Fences&Windows 12:40, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Waun Mawn

Dear Fences and Windows, thanks for your thanks about Waun Mawn. It so nice the way lots of people piled in to make a nice little page once it got started. It reminds me of more how WP used to be . Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 14:41, 16 February 2021 (UTC))

Msrasnw, it's a great archaeological story and I was thinking of starting a stub myself. Well done on getting it started. The Guardian even linked to the article. Fences&Windows 15:03, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of page.

Hi, hope you are safe and doing good, Someone has nominated Zeyan Shafiq article for deletion with the reason as 'covert advertising by a block sockpuppet' Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zeyan Shafiq. There are people who have been disruptively editing the page. as you can see even on the deletion page, a account 'Timerlack' created just 2 days ago has also commented, i think you should have a look at it and also kindly tell me more about what covert advertising it, because as far as i know you checked the article and reviewed it. i didn't find any advertisiment also this piece was even nominated in DYK as well. ThanksHums4r (Let's Talk) 06:05, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Dear, i saw your comment on the deletion page. i wanted to let you know that, there are many editors who are continuously doing disruptive edits to the page Zeyan Shafiq. This is basically because i feel like they are related to (Sheikh Asif), (Sardar Nadir Ali), (Thames Infotech), (Imtiyaaz Rasool). These are people from kashmir who are not notable at all and they're just trying to use promotional content on wikipedia, and i have been reporting them and now they're targeting all the articles that i work on, kindly guide me what should i do in this case? Hums4r (Let's Talk) 14:33, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Hums4r, Have peace. Avoid their disruptive behavior. Vandals come and go. Keep on doing your work. That's it. If you're feeling bad, take a short wikibreak. ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 16:26, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Hums4r, if there is disruptive editing following the end of the AfD (assuming it is kept) then you may file a request at WP:RFPP. I can't protect it as I'm involved in editing the page. Fences&Windows 17:20, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Fences and windows I'll do it for sure if it's kept, but let's assume the article is deleted, since so many new accounts, or accounts related to those disruptive editing are commenting "Delete" there, If it get's deleted, then what is the point of working hard on wikipedia article's? Like this anyone who is doing good work can be targetted by people who violate wikipedia policies by creating new accounts and then they can AFD any article and eventually can post many 'Delete' Comments and get the article deleted. I Think only the experienced editors/admins should have the right to vote in these cases because these fake accounts are manipulating the discussion. Hums4r (Let's Talk) 17:28, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Hums4r, AfD is not a straight vote. Closers take into account the quality of the arguments, whether commenters are brand new ("Unregistered or new users are welcome to contribute to the discussion, but their recommendations may be discounted if they seem to be made in bad faith"), and relevant policies. See WP:CLOSEAFD. Even were this bio to be deleted, there are still many other subjects in Kashmir and beyond that I hope you'll be interested in working on. Fences&Windows 17:38, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

{u|Fences and windows}} Indeed i will do that, but it's very hard to look for people who are notable as per wikipedia guidelines in kashmir, in kashmir we have lot of notable people and subjects but they won't have enough references that might be suitable for wikipedia. Anyways, i'm now planning to take a break from wikipedia now, since i am very irritated by all these users. i will post the same on ANI so that other admins can stop these vandals. Hums4r (Let's Talk) 17:44, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Hums4r, a wikibreak can help but please don't be so keen to post to ANI or accuse others of being vandals. It makes editing a battleground and risks backfiring on you: WP:BOOMERANG. Fences&Windows 17:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

I Already made the post at ANI, i had no other choice, these people won't let me do my work, even if i start anything they will just disrupt it. It feels very sad to see your hardwork getting wasted. i have no personal grudges with anyone, but these people are just putting in their personal grudges with me. i will wait for other admin's responses and if i don't find a resolution, i will take a wikibreak. Hums4r (Let's Talk) 18:07, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks!

Thanks for helping me and making contributions to me on Wikipedia! The complete thanks list is here. AnotherEditor144 ^{talk contribs} 09:45, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

David Lynn

Just a FYI. I didn’t know there had been a 2015 AFD on an article with this title. If you had looked at the talk page, you would have seen the editor of this article created the article last month under a slightly different title and it was deleted as non notable. Other than the title name being pastor versus preacher, it is, IMHO, not enough to make him notable. His main claim to fame is arguing with people while doing street preaching. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Lynn (preacher) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThurstonMitchell (talk • contribs)

Hi ThurstonMitchell, my mistake. I'd overlooked the January debate. What anyone does to get notability is entirely irrelevant, but the debate concluded he is not notable and so I've deleted it. Fences&Windows 17:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

thank you. I take some exception to “What anyone does to get notability is entirely irrelevant,”. The NY Times or Washington Post can do a feel good piece on a seven year old who visits home bound seniors with his dog but that doesn’t mean he is wiki worthy. So it is a combination of who they are and ability to verify. Plus, for the article I saw, the edit summary for the initial creation of the article was something like people are talking about this guy so I may as well beat them to the punch and create article. Well, people are always talking about the new hot recipe or hairdressers but that doesn’t mean they deserve a wiki article!

But thanks!ThurstonMitchell (talk) 18:15, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Who is a low-profile individual would be relevant to your example and also WP:BLP1E. We do have articles on hairdressers, see List of hairdressers, and also see Category:Child activists. We need to get away from value judgements when considering notability. Fences&Windows 18:33, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Looks like someone deleted the "American musicians of Italian descent" category

I'm letting you know because you re-created it on Feb. 11 of this year. Its at Category:American musicians of Italian descent, with the deleted pages mentioned here. --Historyday01 (talk) 03:10, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Historyday01, I deleted it when it was tagged for speedy deletion as a recreation of a category deleted following an earlier CfD debate, but I forgot to empty the category. Looks like Liz tidied up after me - thank you, and sorry for leaving you work to do. Fences&Windows 03:14, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Oh, ok. --Historyday01 (talk) 03:16, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

User Ruimbarreira1411 is an edit warrior and should potentially be censured

Hello Fences and Windows, just wanted to talk a little bit about the page of Caesar DePaco and a problematic user who continued to edit war the page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ruimbarreira1411 He has been trying to remove verifiable information about this man since his page has gone from "celebratory" to "denunciation" since he has now been involved in a scandal with his (likely purchased) consulate from Cape Verde. He is doing this in both Portuguese and English wikipedia, if you look at the edit history of both pages. His goal in both is the same - censorship of easily verifiable information.

I must also point out that the page on the Portuguese wikipedia has been marked for deletion, and I extremely worried about this. This man's relevance, and the easy access to his information on wikipedia, is key to following the very purpose of Wikipedia. Its deletion appears to me to little else than again, attempted censorship. How can I help stop this? I am frightened that being Portuguese, the corrupt leaders of our country are not only capable of censoring our media, they now appear to be able to censor wikipedia as well using Fear Uncertainty and Doubt attacks!

Thank you

Kranke133 (talk) 19:10, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Kranke133, I can't do anything about the Portuguese Wikipedia article, but I've semi-protected the page again and I've warned that user, who self-identified as DePaço's lawyer on the Portuguese Wikipedia. I'll post to the BLP noticeboard too, to get more eyes on this. Fences&Windows 20:36, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. There are bizarre things happening with this page, including that multiple Brazilian users have suddenly showed up to manage and vote the process of deletion. The political party CHEGA, that is financed by Caesar Depaço, has connections to Bolsonaro in Brazil. It seems to me that they might be working to erase "uncomfortable" information in the poruguese language wikipedia. It makes no sense to me otherwise why someone who is news in Portugal would suddenly have Brazilian language users voting for the deletion of his wikipedia page. I assure you I am not a conspiratorially minded person - just check the identities-flags of the users who are voting for the deletion of that article. Thank you Kranke133 (talk) 21:19, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Potential corruption in Portuguese language wikipedia- what to do

Hello Fences & Windows, just giving you an update on the situation in portuguese wikipedia in relation to the page above (Caesar DePaço) and others. After consulting with a few admins privately in the Portuguese wikipedia, and attempting to bring up the subject (deletion under false premises) in multiple ways, I've encountered the following:

- one admin told me that no discussion of the subject was allowed outside of the Elimination page. When I pointed out the elimination was being conducted under verifiably false premises, I was told the same thing again: that I had to keep my discussion to the elimination page and that doing otherwise was abuse.

- The elimination page itself is an absurd spectacle: if you read portuguese you'll see that a lot of the things written there are little more than trolling (a lot of the discussion centers around the fact that the subject has no notoriety for example).

- I then joined the Wikipedia PT Telegram group, where I was told this "rule" (of not speaking about it outside of the elimination page) was a fabrication, and that I was allowed to talk about it and ask for clarification. I was told this by other admins of wikipedia PT.

- When I pointed out the fact that the discussion on the elimination page showed evidence of brigading from unrelated users, I was told by another PT wikipedia admin that these users "did this sort of thing a lot" and that they essentially roam around wikipedia deleting pages.

- some of these users defending the elimination of the page are Brazilian admins who appear to be coordinating for this purpose.

- I opened an incident notification, and that was deleted by an admin who has also voted to delete the page on Caesar DePaco. I wasn't even aware an incident notification could be deleted.

- I have seen evidence of the same accounts how calling for the elimination of Caesar DePaco's page working to improve the pages related to Jair Bolsonaro and Andre Ventura. Andre Ventura is the leader of the portuguese political party CHEGA, with whom DePaco is associated and around which the scandal is directly connected to. Andre Ventura has connections to Jair Bolsonaro being of the same alt-right movement and having received similar support. Both Bolsonaro and Ventura have been seen utilizing online bots for propaganda as well.

I propose the following hypothesis - that there is a group of users and admins in wikipedia PT who are associated and are censoring information. I believe a conversation with some PT language wikipedia admins is in order, and perhaps an inquiry/investigation should be done to find out whether there are elements in the admin group of wikipedia PT who are systematically censoring pages that are inconvenient to power. There are plenty of admins in wikipedia PT who are good and do their jobs, however it seems like a small group is there to manipulate what can and cannot be said by users in that wikipedia. I believe this strongly conflics with the values of this project. Is there someone who I can talk to to take a look at this? I can give him the names of half a dozen accounts who I believe will quickly demonstrate the shenanigans, and the names of another dozen admins who I have spoken to who say coordinated deletion is indeed happening.

Kranke133 (talk) 08:14, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Kranke133, first you need to prepare your evidence - make it specific (with diffs), factual, neutrally worded, and as succinct as possible. There is no Portuguese ArbCom so on there you would need to go to pt:Wikipédia:Pedidos/Notificação de incidentes. On here, User talk:Jimbo Wales is sometimes used as a venue for cross-wiki discussion. There is also meta:Requests for comment on the Meta Wikimedia site for seeking comnents on such incidents and you can seek advice from the WMF staff at meta:Trust and Safety. Fences&Windows 13:08, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Also, Kranke133, a new account making waves like this will invite scrutiny of you. You need to be prepared for questions about whether you have other accounts and what your own agenda is. Fences&Windows 13:17, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Understood. I'm not sure why another user is saying I have made legal threats. I have never done anything of the sort. Kranke133 (talk) 14:34, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello Fences & Windows, hope you don't mind me adding one more thing here. The situation in the Portuguese wikipedia is increasingly similar to the situation described here for the Croatian wikipedia. The problems are different - Croatian far right was interested in very historical topics. The Portuguese speaking community is more interested in censoring information that goes against their interests, particularly cases of corruption of right wing figures. IE. they are now still moving to eliminate the page of Caesar DePaco, with no reason to do so, and after I made an effort to improve it, I received even more votes for deletion. But the more I dig in, the more I find. I've found archives of multiple pages about "deletionism", multiple admins have described other admins actions as dishonest to me in PM. I've seen the pages of multiple admins who have left in the last 2 years due to these issues. A clique of right-wing users is slowly eroding the Portuguese wikipedia project. I do not, as of right now, have the 250 edits to open the ticket with the Requests from Comment, where I believe this issue will have to continue. Kranke133 (talk) 22:29, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Kranke133, without specific evidence there's nothing anyone outside that Wikipedia can do. I don't speak Portuguese and nor do I edit that language Wikipedia, so I cannot get directly involved. I already gave suggestions above - there's nothing I can do as an individual English Wikipedia admin. Fences&Windows 22:33, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Of course. I appreciate your attention. I will attempt to rescue as much as I can from the Portuguese language page to the English page before it gets deleted. Kranke133 (talk) 22:36, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Uhh... is that supposed to be there?

The message at the bottom of your userpage as of now holds a legal threat- not the only one the user has made either. -GoatLordServant^{(Talk-Contribs)} 14:28, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Well I never, GoatLordServant . At least someone is paying attention! Fences&Windows 17:52, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

De Paço (dePaço)

Hi Fences and windows. We have not had the pleasure of meeting on this big spider's web of a project. I straddle the enwiki and ptwiki quite comfortably, so if you need any assistance in this matter, be it seeking clarity with what is going on on the ptwiki or verifying what any of the Portuguese sources say, don't hesitate to drop a line. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 14:55, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia. I think the dispute is under control here, but I will check in if things escalate. It must be interesting to compare the different editing communities. Fences&Windows 20:32, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Just FYI, I noticed that the ptwiki did not have a Wikipedia:Blow it up and start over page. I have just translated the gist from the counterpart page in the enwiki. That is my solution for the dePaço page. I see that the ptwiki also does not have a place for paid editors to come forward and declare their status. I will tackle that in due course. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 11:39, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Taking what works from English Wikipedia sounds like a great idea, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia. Well done for those efforts. Fences&Windows 12:48, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

I Posted an message to you

I posted an message to you earlier which was removed. Please read that just once. it has the subject line "I'm Hums4r". I always asked for your help in a good faith, i never intended to use you as a 'Shield', i don't want any help from you now, even delete all the article's that i made but please don't call me a bad faith editor, or someone who misused you. please forgive me if i have hurt you. i'm writing this with no bad intention. i'm just writing this to u because u have been very nice to me. just delete the article's but forgive me please forgive me. Humssssss (talk) 18:45, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Humssssss, you'll get blocked shortly for block evasion - you need to let this episode go. Praxidicae, what was the basis for Hums4r's global lock, who decided it, where is that logged, and what is the appeal process, if any? I'm not familiar with the process of global locks. Fences&Windows 19:02, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Fences and windows I don't really appreciate the ping here or the inquisition. You're a capable administrator and should know where to ask these questions. I have no power to lock. Read m:Global locks CUPIDICAE💕 19:04, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Praxidicae, you're a global sysop and you noted the global lock on the AfD so I thought you were privy to the process. No interrogation was intended, I just wanted to better understand the process. Sorry to bother you. Fences&Windows 19:53, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Murder of Ee Lee

You revdeleted most of Murder of Ee Lee. Not sure what you were removing but if it's the names, these were in the infobox until removed by me so are still in the history. Nil Einne (talk) 16:04, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Nil Einne, it was more than the names but I had missed them in the infobox. Names alone doesn't worry me so much as that's been reported in reliable sources, but I've revdelled. There needs to be a discussion before the names are included. Fences&Windows 22:00, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

JimmyPapas

JimmyPapas is at it again. Look at his talk page to see how many of his pages have been nominated for speedy or moved to draft space. And the fact he keeps trying to re create this topic, even under different names, and has stated he hopes this one will be the one that keeps shows he doesn’t understand or care what is happening. So, can this subject be protected from creation, under all names he can think of not just pastor and preacher? And can it be considered that he be banned from future edits due to disruptive editing? ThurstonMitchell (talk) 19:30, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks ThurstonMitchell, I've done the speedy deletion and given a final warning and asked about potential COIs. If issues recur, please take it straight to AN/I and tag me - I've said I will block, but I'd prefer a community discussion. Fences&Windows 22:07, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

• Thank you very much. I don’t know what AN/I is or how to find out but I will definitely let you know. I’ll go by your judgment on what is best. ThurstonMitchell (talk) 00:07, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
  • ThurstonMitchell, I'm sorry for using jargon with the assumption you knew it. It's the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Fences&Windows 00:24, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

No problem ThurstonMitchell (talk) 20:17, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2021).

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Guideline and policy news

• A request for comment is open that proposes a process for the community to revoke administrative permissions. This follows a 2019 RfC in favor of creating one such a policy.
• A request for comment is in progress to remove F7 (invalid fair-use claim) subcriterion a, which covers immediate deletion of non-free media with invalid fair-use tags.
• A request for comment seeks to grant page movers the delete-redirect userright, which allows moving a page over a single-revision redirect, regardless of that redirect's target. The full proposal is at Wikipedia:Page mover/delete-redirect.
• A request for comment asks if sysops may place the General sanctions/Coronavirus disease 2019 editnotice template on pages in scope that do not have page-specific sanctions?
• There is a discussion in progress concerning automatic protection of each day's featured article with Pending Changes protection.

Technical news

• When blocking an IPv6 address with Twinkle, there is now a checkbox with the option to just block the /64 range. When doing so, you can still leave a block template on the initial, single IP address' talkpage.
• When protecting a page with Twinkle, you can now add a note if doing so was in response to a request at WP:RfPP, and even link to the specific revision.
• There have been a number of reported issues with Pending Changes. Most problems setting protection appear to have been resolved (phab:T273317) but other issues with autoaccepting edits persist (phab:T275322).

Arbitration

• By motion, the discretionary sanctions originally authorized under the GamerGate case are now authorized under a new Gender and sexuality case, with sanctions authorized for all edits about, and all pages related to, any gender-related dispute or controversy and associated people. Sanctions issued under GamerGate are now considered Gender and sexuality sanctions.
• The Kurds and Kurdistan case was closed, authorizing standard discretionary sanctions for the topics of Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed.

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• Following the 2021 Steward Elections, the following editors have been appointed as stewards: AmandaNP, Operator873, Stanglavine, Teles, and Wiki13.

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Erla Wigelund

I see you deleted Erla Wigelund. As you could have seen on the talk page, the last revision of the page, didn't contain any copyright issues. Can you please restore the page? SportsOlympic (talk) 19:06, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

No, sorry SportsOlympic. It was still closely paraphrased from the Google translation of that source - I saw your comment and checked the comparison. Please prepare a draft in your userspace from scratch, without copying and pasting any wording and using more than two sources. Fences&Windows 19:27, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Please review Ramzan Muhammed

Hi.. greetings.. Comes to know that you removed Speedy deletion tag from Ramzan Muhammed's page. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ramzan Muhammed , could you please check this out? They stated that the article is promotional? But I don't think so. Could you please rectify that?

Thanks in advance ProudMallu (talk) 06:46, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

ProudMallu, just because ai thought that the article state was not only promoting the subject, that doesn't necessarily mean the article wasn't written by a paid editor. I'm not going to police what AfD participants say in good faith. Fences&Windows 09:27, 9 March 2021 (UTC)