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English rowers

Hello, Foot Slogger. Thank you for your recent contributions, where you have added the category "English rowers" to a number of articles. If you don't mind, I have some suggestions about how your edits could match Wikipedia's guidelines more closely.

• If "English rowers" is appropriate, then the article should not also be in "British rowers", because "English rowers" is a sub-category of "British rowers". (See WP:CAT.)
• For "English rowers" to be correct, the article should actually state that the subject is English, and this fact should be verifiable.
• Please provide edit summaries to help others understand the intention of your edits.

Thank you! – Wdchk (talk) 04:54, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Did you miss the comment above? If you put someone in English rowers, then they should not also be in British rowers. Was that clear? - David Biddulph (talk) 11:40, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Did you miss the two comments above? is another example, again without using an edit summary. This is getting silly. Bencherlite^Talk 13:14, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. - You are still doing it, despite the warnings above. If you keep doing this we shall have to assume that you are being deliberately disruptive, in which case it is likely that you will be blocked from editing and all your edits may be reverted. We don't want to have to do that, but Wikipedia is a collaborative project and it won't work if one editor thinks that he can ignore all the agreed processes. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:36, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

It wasn't my intention to disrupt but to expand information. I never realised categories and subcategories are mutually exclusive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Foot Slogger (talk • contribs) 16:19, 16 May 2012‎ (UTC)

We don't blame you for not knowing originally, but that's why you were told about it earlier today. The problem was that despite being given the information you carried on doing the same, without explanation and without any attempt to discuss the matter here. Glad you understand now. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:25, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

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Well, as I've caused so much agro I won't continue with changing the rowing categories, so you may as well undo what I've done. Foot Slogger (talk) 00:50, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Please don't feel that your edits need to be completely undone. Your original intent was valid, and it's just that more needed to be done than simply adding the "English rowers" category. If you take a look at my edits, such as John Meyrick, you'll see some examples where I have tried to build on your contribution in a collaborative manner. I took into account the principles I outlined at the top of this thread. A word of caution here that many an edit war has erupted over changes between "English" and "British". However I felt it was reasonable and consistent to call the rower "English" where it is verifiable that he was born in England, with the further information that he competed for Great Britain (where applicable). – Wdchk (talk) 02:26, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the reply above. The point about mentioning that he competed for Great Britain is a significant one, as the standards required to be selected to row for Great Britain are in general significantly higher than those for selection to row for England. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:56, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, which is why I never replaced British rower with English rower, mistakenly leaving both in the categories section. I am very well aware how some people find the use of "English" offensive, not least in the British media. Unless of course it is to portray England and the English in a negative way. This is the kind of attitude I am combatting. Thanks for your help David Biddulph & Wdchk, Foot Slogger (talk) 11:43, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Nevertheless I doubt I'll be contributing to Wiki again. I've only produced a couple of pages about horses that were immediately trashed by other writers, and now this debacle over rowing. Frankly, it isn't worth the hastle. Foot Slogger (talk) 14:36, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Stacey Tadd

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• I have declined the speedy, but please give references to verify claims in your articles - see WP:Verifiablity. Articles about living persons will be automatically deleted after ten days if not referenced. I have added a reference here, but you shouldn't leave it to others to tidy up after you: if your articles cite sources, they are much less likely to be deleted. JohnCD (talk) 17:09, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Your edits to Charles Bronson (prisoner)

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Keith D (talk) 23:49, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

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Edit to Ian Fleming

Hello and thank you for your edit on the above article. Unfortunately I have had to revert it as it goes against WP:OVERLINK which discourages the linking of commonly known words which I consider "English" to be. If you disagree with this, then I would be happy to talk about it on the Fleming talk page. Thanks. -- Cassianto^Talk 23:10, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

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Jayne Torvill

Please see my response at Talk:Jayne Torvill. I will restore it to the previous version if there are no further objections. January (talk) 14:18, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

nationality and grammar

If you change the way a person's nationality is described, as you did here, please make sure that the new nationality agrees with the preceding article (e.g. "a British", "an English"). This is a very common error, and it is very visible when it is in the first sentence of the article. Thanks! --Joel7687 (talk) 00:59, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

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June 2019

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Douglas Reed, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Jayjg ^(talk) 12:20, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Foot Slogger (talk) 20:09, 11 June 2019 (UTC) I cited an already existing page in the external link previously cited by another contributor, namely www.DouglasReed.co.uk which is a wayback reference. My reference was a pdf of an item written by Douglas Reed himself in which he states that he was born in London. So, by Wikipedia's own standards this must be a reliable source because it had previously been accepted as such. I know some administrators have difficulty with accepting when people are cited as being "English," but nevertheless Douglas Reed was English. I also know his middle name is Launcelot, was given as his first name, and that he was born in Marylebone, London. I believe I saw that in an obituary, in print, but as much information has been purged from the internet I cannot locate it online.

www.DouglasReed.co.uk is not a reliable source, so you can't use it, even if it's archived on the Waybackmachine. Also, you provided no source for the name "Launcelot". Jayjg ^(talk) 21:01, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Foot Slogger (talk) Well delete all the comments that cite it as a source then. Having seen that it was already used as a reference within the article, I naturally assumed that anything within it would be acceptable.

I don't see anything in the article that cites that link. Also, it would be helpful if you signed your posts with four tildes, like this: ~~~~ Jayjg ^(talk) 12:18, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Foot Slogger (talk) I did use four tilds which is why my handle Foot Slogger is shown before my reply. The link is there at the bottom of the article, so if it isn't a reliable source, as you claim, then delete the link. When is a link not a "reliable source" anyway? The whole website is dedicated to Douglas Reed and the pdf I cited from within that link was written by Douglas Reed himself, in which he stated that he was born in London.

I've removed the link, because I have no idea what the site actually is (nor do you), and it may be a WP:COPYVIO, and violate WP:ELNO. An external link doesn't have to be a reliable source, but something used as a citation (as you were doing) must be a reliable source. Regarding four tildes, you should put them at the end of what you write, and make sure there are exactly four (not three or five). Do what you used to do, for example, in the User talk:Foot Slogger#English rowers section above. Do you see there that everything you wrote there is followed by your userid, and a date and time stamp? Jayjg ^(talk) 17:40, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

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