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Speedy deletion nomination of User:GRALISTAIR/sandbox

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A tag has been placed on User:GRALISTAIR/sandbox requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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There is no question I have cut and pasted. I just have not had time to put in my own words. Give me 24 hours please. GRALISTAIR (talk) 14:38, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

You may never cut and paste like this, not even if you intend to rewrite it afterwards. Either you do such things off-wiki, or you immediately write things in your own words. And considering that you started doing this more than a week ago[1], the excuse that you didn't have time seems rather lame. Fram (talk) 14:43, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I did not realize that. In future I will cut and paste into a Word Document and edit from there into my own words. Then from the Word document cut and paste my own wording onto my Sandbox or other. GRALISTAIR (talk) 14:57, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

If you are rewording copyrighted text, you are creating a derivative work and any close paraphrasing would still be a copyright violation. Best practice is tow write the text in your own words from the start. I have applied revision deletion to the revisions that still have the copyrighted text instead of deleting the sandbox. -- Whpq (talk) 16:08, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

I am wording what I am am/have been trying to do badly - sorry. What I mean is that I will continue to copy and paste an abstract only (never ever main body text) into Word. I will use that only as an "aide-memoire" so that I know what the author(s) is trying to say, and then put 100% into my own words. I mistakenly thought (despite 10 years as a Wikipedia editor!!!) that is what a sandbox is for. Now I have made the mistake, I will not repeat the mistake. You know the saying, lessons learned hardest are the lessons learned best. GRALISTAIR (talk) 16:17, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

I suspected that you were using the material to aid remembering which reference provides which information. I know I've gotten my references all jumbled up from having them open in individual browser tabs and getting them all confused with each other. Good to know it's only a memory aid. Cheers. -- Whpq (talk) 17:26, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

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Weaver Junction

Quick Q - you probably consider this anyway - does the book dated 2012 contain extracts from Wikipedia, or is the Wikipedia article a copyvio of the contents of the book? Looking at edit history on article would show you that. 10mmsocket (talk) 15:06, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

b.t.w. there's something weird with your talk page formatting as the heading for this section isn't showing. 10mmsocket (talk) 15:09, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Possibly. Not sure how to fix it though! Be my guest and edit my talk page - I really do not have a problem with that. GRALISTAIR (talk) 15:38, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Well I have a copy of the book. I will triple check but it appears to extract 2012 and prior from Wikipedia (actually almost zero about Weaver Junction -there is even stuff about the codebreakers of Bletchley Park in it! - incidentally the biggest waste of money ever for me on a book. I bought it because I promised I would be thorough in my research when it was being considered for deletion.) Has it copied from Wikpedia? 100%. Has the article in its current state copied from the book - absolutely 100% NOT. Most of the history will show you that I and one or two editors have heavily edited and added to the article. It is my own words and I only got the book 2 weeks ago so no way on gods green earth is it a copyvio GRALISTAIR (talk) 15:37, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

I thought I'd ask, but obviously an editor with our experience would have already done that! 10mmsocket (talk) 15:43, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Also, I am not worried about it being deleted anymore. It passes WP:SIGCOV and consensus was reached it should be kept. It is still on my watch list as I also know from inside sources on the railway that it will feature heavily in the future and appear in Hansard etc GRALISTAIR (talk) 15:47, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Twitter

You may not be aware, but {{cite tweet}} exists for citing tweets. Mjroots (talk) 07:49, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Great to know - I did not. Very useful GRALISTAIR (talk) 11:57, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

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