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Hi, seeing that you copy-pasted the contents of User talk:GStojanov~enwiki here, and assuming you are indeed the same editor, I've moved that old talkpage here instead via a proper pagemove. This way, the history of the page will remain more transparent. Thanks, – Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:46, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes I am the same user. Thank you. I have not done much editing since 2009, so I am a bit rusty on the syntax. GStojanov (talk) 14:20, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

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Welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions, but in one of your recent edits, it appears that you have added original research, which is against Wikipedia's policies. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. 20:38, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

This actually is not an original research. It is simply a citation from a book from a renowned Bulgarian geographer, ethnographer and politician Vasil Kanchov. An entire paragraph is cited. This is an important testimony from a contemporary expert on Macedonia and its ethnographic situation. GStojanov (talk) 20:58, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Resolved: The edit was accepted and improved by other wiki users. GStojanov (talk) 15:32, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

My name is G.Stojanov too. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 19:39, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

What a conincidence. :) I hope we can work well to collect and edit materials about Macedonian matters. GStojanov (talk) 14:21, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

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		Thank you for your hard work on with the 2019 Macedonia Name RFC. We finally rewrote Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia), and your suggestions were both important and appreciated. You made some really excellent requests. and it's thanks to you we were able to fine tune the language. I am glad to have had the great pleasure to work with you! –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 02:30, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

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Hey GStojanov, ummm... you probably should not have made this move because there has been an ongoing discussion on the article title. It also does not meet current naming conventions for elections (20XX COUNTRY NAME X Elections) are I'll be putting in a request to revert that move. No harm done, so cheers! –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 14:24, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

I didn't notice the discussion. I was trying to clean up the adjectives as per WP:NCMAC.GStojanov (talk) 14:28, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

I gotcha there, but the standard process is going through WP:RM especially for highly sensitive topics like this. Also, I am posting an alert to this talk page. It's just procedural and to ensure you are aware of the arbitration committee discretionary sanctions for Eastern Europe related topics. It should help with informing you of the history of this controversy on Wikipedia (link). –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 14:38, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

No problem and thank you. GStojanov (talk) 14:43, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

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Stop it

Please stop misrepresenting the WP:NCMAC guideline. There is nothing in it saying that we should "avoid adjectival references where possible". That was most definitely not what was agreed on. You are reading things into the guideline that are simply not there, just for the sake of pushing your own personal preferences through. And the result of your edits is often grossly ungrammatical, as in the recent edit you tried to edit-war [1] into Visa requirements for European Union citizens. This needs to stop; consider yourself warned. Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:50, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

I don't think the expression: "North Macedonia's" is ungrammatical. It is a possessive form [2], and it is constructed properly. I think you are using overly strong words for a minor issue. GStojanov (talk) 13:08, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

If you can't sense why the wording you put in that particular example was horrible English, you really lack the linguistic competence to judge any matter of English usage at all. But that's not the main point. The main point, which you have studiously avoided in your response, is that you have been blatantly misrepresenting the contents of the guideline. That's not a minor issue; it's either crass incompetence or willful disruption. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:37, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

In the WP:NCMAC we have four sentences that restrict that adjectival uses, and one that permits its use. If you believe that in this case the adjectival reference should be used, you should write that and explain why. Instead you are questioning my competence, and you are using hyperbolas like "grossly ungrammatical" for an expression that is grammatically correct. How does this add to a constructive co-editing? GStojanov (talk) 18:14, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Oh dear. No, in the relevant section of NCMAC there is not a single sentence "restricting" that adjectival use (apart from the trivially obvious fact that we don't use it if and when we are referring to official names that happen to not contain it). There are several sentences stating that the Prespa agreement restricts it, but then we immediately go on to say that we don't follow that rule. And where the hell did I say that the adjectival form should be used? What on earth is so difficult to comprehend about the simple idea that the guideline allows both forms? ~ Oh, and I'm also not at all interested in supporting "constructive co-editing" with people like you. All I'm interested in right now is to get the message across to you that you shouldn't be editing in this field, if your English and your reading comprehension is that poor. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:45, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

If I may chime in here, GStojanov you certainly are a well-meaning editor. Your contributions to the drafting process were also greatly appreciated by me. However, these characterizations by Fut.Perf. are not entirely off-base nor unfair. We are currently still debating adjectival references and constructions, and I don't think you are making things any easier in this regard. If I may humbly suggest maybe staying away from Macedonia-related topics for a while? It's just a suggestion. I know that is one of your favorite areas to edit, so I don't say that lightly. (talk page watcher) (edit conflict) –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 19:46, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Sure. GStojanov (talk) 20:48, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Moved here from my talkpage. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:45, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

If you are doubting that "North Macedonian" is semantically equivalent to "North Macedonia's", look into this article["https://www.reuters.com/article/us-north-macedonia-election/north-macedonian-pro-western-nationalist-candidates-tied-in-presidential-vote-idUSKCN1RX008]. Here in the title they use an adjective: North Macedonian, and in the opening paragraph they use a possessive case: "North Macedonia's". GStojanov (talk) 18:37, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Oh for crying out loud. Yes, of course the adjective can be semantically equivalent to the possessive, if and where both are syntactically and stylistically proper. That doesn't mean both are freely exchangeable in all syntactic environments. Do you really need something that basic spelled out to you? Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:45, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

So it is a style objection, since syntax is not an issue either. This is very different than: "grossly ungrammatical". Anyway, it is far more constructive to have a well-meaning editor approach. GStojanov (talk) 20:48, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

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Hi, GStojanov. Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia. Here is no place for long quotations. There is another project called Wikiquote. Long quotations crowd the actual article and remove attention from other information. Please, check Quotations Overuse. PS. Please, dismiss single primary sources, read In Defense of the Native Tongue: The Standardization of the Macedonian Language and the Bulgarian-Macedonian Linguistic Controversies by Chavdar Marinov and especially p. 441. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 14:48, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

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I posted this from a Bulgarian newspaper from 1946 with a translation of the text that accompanies it. Was the translation inaccurate? Can you help me identify who are the two front men carrying the coffin? I think the one on the right is Todor Pavlov the president of the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences, and the one on the left is Georgi Dimitrov, the gen-sec of BCP. GStojanov (talk) 18:53, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Dimitrov is no there, but Pavlov may be the high man in the middle at the bottom, right to the left soldier. Jingiby (talk) 04:09, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, what do you think, let's put the following text above the line: Yordan Badev recalls in his memoirs that Gotse Delchev, Boris Sarafov, Efrem Chuchkov, and Boris Drangov had organized a group of Bulgarians born in Macedonia to propagate for the future unification of Macedonia and Bulgaria among the cadets of the military school in Sofia. Kosta Tsipushev recalls how, when he and some friends asked Gotsé why they were fighting for the autonomy of Macedonia and Thrace instead of their liberation and reunification with the motherland, he replied: Comrades, can't you see that we are now the slaves not of the Turkish state, which is in the process of disintegration, but of the Great Powers in Europe, before whom Turkey signed her total capitulation in Berlin. That is why we have to struggle for the autonomy of Macedonia and Thrace, in order to preserve them in their entirety, as a stage towards their reunification with our common Bulgarian fatherland. Pavlos Kyrou (Pavel Kirov) from Zhelevo claims in his memoirs that once, when Delchev came from Bulgaria, he met him in Konomladi. Delchev insisted there that Greek priests and schoolmasters are obstacles. He maintained also that all the local Slavophones are Bulgarians and they must work for Bulgarian cause, because its army will come and help them to throw off the Turkish yoke. In the memories of Andon Kyoseto, it is alleged that Delchev explained him that IMRO cannot win full freedom for Macedonia, but it will fight at least for autonomy. The ultimate goal of the Organization, according to Delchev, is a secrecy, but one day, sooner or later, Macedonia will unite itself with Bulgaria, and Greece and Serbia should not doubt in that. On 12 January 1903 his fellow Peyo Yavorov recorded one of Delchev's last messages in his shorthand notes, when they crossеd the misty border of Bulgaria to the Ottoman Empire entering Macedonia, namely: "I pointed out the misty area on Delchev, who was close to me and I said: Look, Macedonia welcomes us mourning!" But he answered: “We will tear away this veil and the sun of freedom will arise, but it will be a Bulgarian sun”. Jingiby (talk) 05:35, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

The article is already labeled as a personal essay. If you add some more personal recollections and memories you will just firm that conclusion up. We need to move in the opposite direction. GStojanov (talk) 12:13, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

You should read up on what a personal essay is because the tag is wrongly used. How can it be a personal reflection, are you trying to say that Jingiby is Yordan Badev who died in 1944? Also it seems to me that you do not care about the facts you just want to push your pov. It seems simply ridiculous that you are arguing for Gotse Delchev to be a nationality that didn't exist at the time. --StoyanStoyanov80 (talk) 13:43, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

You should read up too here: WP:FORUM GStojanov (talk) 14:26, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

I have read it multiple times before, what part exactly applies to the Gotse Delchev page? --StoyanStoyanov80 (talk) 15:35, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place for personal opinions and ruminations (yours or that of Yordan Badev). It is rather than opinion of historians, anthropologists, sociologists, etc. GStojanov (talk) 19:08, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

I mean that is pretty obvious but you didn't answer why it applies to the Gotse Delchev page, the page has over 200 reliable sources, and the opinion of Yordan Badev is relevant as he was a member of the IMRO and he was a prominent journalist and writer during the late 19th and early 20th century. Please take some time to read about Gotse Delchev from real books and not nationalistic social media pages because I am not sure how you can say he is not a Bulgarian if you knew what you were talking about. --StoyanStoyanov80 (talk) 23:23, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

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It was not my intention to offend anyone, especially you Jingiby. You are among the few Bulgarian editors that I can reason with. But it is frustrating to co-edit with editors that are completely oblivious to any other point of view, except for their cold-war-era nationalistic view. GStojanov (talk) 20:01, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

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