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Vandalism

Regarding your recent edit to Talk:Greenhouse effect: I would strongly suggest that you restate your concerns without the blatantly false accusations of vandalism. Please read WP:Vandalism carefully. Your comments are incivil and your attitude there will not advance your concerns. Vsmith (talk) 12:59, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

The guy didn't even tried to deny vandalism (he still doesn't talk !), why are you doing it ?

Anyway, that's not really the point: I am (or try not to be) the fool that look at the finger when the wise points the moon, and strongly suggest you do the same. I can easily argue that it is indeed vandalism, and you yourself did, even if you finally ruled it out (while i don't). Vandalism or not, it is still uncivil, impropriate behavior, isn't it?

So don't just tell that's not the correct way to do things, tell me what would be, according to you, the way we deal with a user that assume no good faith (as his comment "don't play silly game" shows) and shows no good faith (as show his lack of message on talk pages, and the fact that you pop out of nowhere to sermon me while he still doesn't show itself).

And as for WP:Civility, well, i applied (as usual) the guidelines, while the other user did not.

I DO happen to be involved in conflict (who doesn't ?), but i usually can cope (late example about rotary engine, where we -- a "testy old gentleman easily stirred to grumpiness" by his own term, and me -- finally found a common ground. Both of us talked, had good faith and assumed the same of the other. But here ... ?

Gem fr (talk) 14:38, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

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The above notice is FYI. The other people who have commented in the dispute all know about it already, I think. Before you decide how to respond to my giving this alert to you, please be advised I also gave one (several actually) to myself. At the time we were arguing about the DS procedures I was advocating that everyone in the respective subject areas get such a notice as a matter of course. All that said, at the article talk page try not to talk about other editors. Just talk about article content. If you have a problem with others' behavior use their talk page or one of the dramaboards. See Focus on content. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 16:16, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

thank you for the alert and your cautious approach to prevent that i see harm, threat or any sort of bad intention in it.

I knew it, and, anyway whatever the subject, i try not to engage in fight. I have rather leave the article in a quite stupid state for a few days more (just like i did), than force some necessary change, even without special scrutiny.

"If you have a problem with others' behavior use their talk page". That was the first thing i did. To no avail. Hence the step further. So, what would you suggest? Gem fr (talk) 08:36, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Follow these principles and make effective use of WP:Dispute resolution. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 11:01, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

yes, so what how does this materially concretize, according to you? Gem fr (talk) 12:05, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

August 2017

Hello, I'm Andy Dingley. I noticed that you made a comment on the page Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Not acceptable behaviour and it won't be accepted. It was a legit question, nor has it been clearly answered as yet. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:39, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Humanities ref desk

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Deletion on humanities ref desk

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Quick alternate history question for you

Hi,

I've got a quick alternate history question for you: Had the World Wars (both of them) never occurred, what do you think would have happened with Algeria? Would it have still eventually become independent in its entirety, would it have gotten partitioned, or would it have remained a part of France in its entirety up to the present-day? Futurist110 (talk) 19:22, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Metropolitan French never gave a F* about colonies. They still don't, and would dump what's left if it. Even including Corsica.

Colonies needed France, and the local people were (and still are) the only one who cared to be part of France.

Demographics rule, and "French" (as opposed to "indigene") were a small and shrinking minority in Algeria. So the simple path was Independence anyway.

Now, France was basically build on "cultural genocide" of pretty much every local culture, including language and religion. If France had cared, the very same could have been done in Algeria. This would had required some time (a century or so), and patient and systematic destruction of religion, language, etc. and replacement of these by mainland's to turn "indigene" into French (China is currently engaged in this path against Uyghurs and Tibetans, for instance). Quite a lot of people with Algerian ancestors are now just as French as any other, so it would had worked.

But then again, French didn't really cared to follow this path. Gem fr (talk) 22:33, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

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"Chock full"

Bonne soir, Gem fr! (I'm not confident enough of my French to try to correspond in it, but I am a native English-speaker as well as a linguist (Ph.D.).)

Bonne soir just doesn't exist. "good evening" would be bonne soirée, used only for parting; or Bonsoir ( similar to more frequent bonjour, except bonsoir is still both for greeting and parting, but only at the end of the day, while nowadays bonjour is used only for greeting, at any time)

Now, if you wait to be confident in French to try, you may just as well quit forever, because, you know...

So I advise you not being shy, people don't care if you make mistakes

In WP:Reference desk/Science § Life vest vs Parachute you wrote

I concur. Transportation is choke full of example where ...

The expression is "chock full" or "chock-full", not "choke full", though there may be a connection. From Etymonline, the online etymological dictionary:

chock-full (adj.)

c. 1400, chokkeful "crammed full," first element possibly from choke "cheek" (see cheek (n.)). Or it may be from Old French choquier "collide, crash, hit" (13c., Modern French choquer), which is probably from Germanic (compare Middle Dutch schokken; see shock (n.1)).

(Also, "example" should be plural, "examples".)

Regards, Thnidu (talk) 00:55, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

I learned something. However, it seems that, probably because some popular connection with [choke], choke-full has stuck (I should had written a - though), and made its way into my English readings (needless to say I didn't learn choke-full in classroom).

Thanks anyway Gem fr (talk) 06:52, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

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Hatting answers

Please take care when hatting and only do it when an answer is truly problematic. Answers which are strongly off topic or give medical or legal advice fall into that category. Answers you simply don't like do not. In particular, the these 2 hats. This one [1] was unnecessary. First the OP talked about turning coal into diamond not graphite. Second the answer of how you can extract energy from diamond and therefore the implication of how much energy you extract was on topic. So the first answer at least was on topic. The follow ups perhaps less so. Still they weren't that offtopic nor that distracting from the question. As for this hat [2], well if you feel your own answer is obsolete and want to hat it, that's up to you I guess. But don't hat other people's answers because they are 'obsolete'. It's generally a bad idea to hat someone else's answer even when it's wrong. If an answer is wrong, point out why. Anyone reading the thread should see from your explanation and will put aside the answer. It will maybe help both the person who answered, the person who asked the question and anyone else reading understand the question and answers better. Finally if you really do need to hat something, please make sure you sign your hat. Nil Einne (talk) 14:51, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

And this is even worse. [3] While there's a tradition of people voluntarily putting their own jokes into small tags, it's generally a bad idea for someone else to do so. It's especially a bad idea when the small tag is added to an answer which does in part address the question. The small tags unlike hats are likely to be perceived as added by the respondent especially since they can't be signed. (Although an unsigned hat which says 'obsolete answer' is likely to mislead people since only the person who gave the answer, or maybe at a stretch the person who asked the question should be judging an answer obsolete.) Nil Einne (talk) 15:08, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

@Nil_Einne

let me lecture you the way you lecture me: if other people find something they didn't write should be hatted, smalled, or even deleted, it is up to them; if you disagree, just fine, you can undo it, but first you should ask yourself "why did he do that, I wouldn't, but does that make it inappropriate?". Your writting here show you didn't, while your editing comment shows you didn't get the OP question: it wasn't about getting energy from diamond, it was about tap on the energy of converting back and forth diamond into coal (ie, graphite, as you should know) as a kind of battery

How on earth "you can burn them" can be a relevant answer to this question? Burning diamond produce CO2, not coal.

If this was serious answer, it should had been utterly deleted. If it was a joke, it should had been small.

I hatted it out of respect.

let other people un-hat or un-small their stuff they feel belong in plain, when someone else hat / smalled them.

Gem fr (talk) 17:55, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Not sure WTF you're talking about. The OP didn't ask about turning diamond into graphite. [ + ks of rant] Nil Einne (talk) 23:07, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes he did (actually used the word coal, but since diamonds only comes from the graphite of coal, which is the most part of it, I translated into graphite...Seems you didn't understand that). So you just didn't understand jack shit about the OP question, either. The word battery is theirs. Read the question again, carefully this time: why the word battery? Gem fr (talk) 23:56, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

{some 18 k -- seriously? 18 k ??? -- of yet again something I didn't care to read from @User:Nil Einne}

Gosh, you think anyone would even care to read 18k characters (6 pages!) I don't. Be happy I don't ask for WP equivalent of restricting order, bring your self together, and try to get to the point in 300 car, this is enough. Gem fr (talk) 08:46, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

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Edits like this make it much harder for the rest of us to follow a thread. Please don't do it again. I'm damn close to undoing it myself, but suggest you undo yourself. DuncanHill (talk) 16:56, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Please don't do it again. See WP:INTERSPERSE. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:07, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

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Per the above noticeboard report, I can see you did violate the three revert rule on the reference desk there. I appreciate that you were attempting to calm down an overly-heated argument that other users should have de-escalated themselves, but anything that requires four reverts to stick is not de-escalating. I don't think anyone comes out of that discussion looking particularly great. I'm not blocking you for the 3-revert rule violation as you've stopped editing it for now and the block would not be preventative, but there's no real excuse for that many reverts. Any further contentious hatting of discussions against resistance like that is going to result in a block. I hope you understand. Thanks. ~ mazca ^talk 17:01, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

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