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20:49:30, 16 February 2018 review of submission by Dothivalla

• Dothivalla (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Andrew White (Texas Politician) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Dothivalla (talk) 20:49, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

20:51:17, 16 February 2018 review of submission by Dothivalla

• Dothivalla (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Andrew White (Texas Politician) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I think I addressed the issues you had with the original submission by cleaning up the citations, adding several non-endorsement citations, and making the entry more 'factual' Dothivalla (talk) 20:51, 16 February 2018 (UTC)dothivalla

February 2018

Just thought I'd let you know that the draft for "Ebony Eyez" was created by a sock of a permanently blocked user who loves creating these terrible articles on no-name female rappers. sixtynine ^{• whaddya want? •} 03:33, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Query about awards

Thank you for the pointer on the Grabby awards. I'm looking at a number of bio stubs, and I wonder if there's similar consensus on any of them:

• GayVN Awards
• List_of_gay_pornography_awards#Gay_Erotic_Video_Awards (I assume this one does not qualify, as there's not even a stand-alone page for it).
• Hot d'Or
• Erotixxx Award

If you could let me know, that would be great. --K.e.coffman (talk) 02:18, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

@K.e.coffman: IIRC, the last big debate about porn awards was 2014, and I did not directly participate. However from what I can see from AfD history:

• GayVN Awards - gay equivalent of AVN Awards
• Gay Erotic Video Awards - counts for nothing at AfD
• Hot d'Or - has not been challenged since PORNBIO was tightened but at least one niche award winner has been deleted
• Erotixxx Award - successor of Venus Award - Venus Award winners have been deleted at recent AfDs

That said, recent consensus has been that winning the award without good sources does not establish notability (e.g. Janet Jacme). I consider The Big Bad Wolfowitz to be the authority on this, though he takes a harder line on notability than I do. • Gene93k (talk) 04:54, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Unsourced contents - Miss Progress International page

Firstly please accept my apologies if I am not using your talk page correctly. I am just a pageant fan and I am not experienced using wikipedia. Also, I am not English mother tongue and I am not sure I understand all the info provided in the tutorial texts about how to use Wikipedia. I have just finished editing the Miss Progress International page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Miss_Progress_International I submitted about one month ago. I have done my best to add reliable sources (your message was "Comment: The main substantial content about the pageant is unsourced. The references cited are unreliable blogs and press releases, and one is not about the pageant at all. • Gene93k (talk) 22:56, 7 March 2018 (UTC)". I have removed the source to the article not related to that event and added 2 sources more for each edition, all chosen from different websites/press agencies/newfeeders. Thank you for you attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeitalia (talk • contribs) 19:28, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

02:16:10, 12 March 2018 review of submission by Dsflyerds

• Dsflyerds (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Run 8 Train Simulator (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I am requesting a re-review because I don't agree with the reason for the declining of my article. I understand that you may feel that the reviews and articles I cited are from "unreliable" blogs and community sites but Run 8 is a small software in it's infancy and those communities and blogs are that keeps the news flowing though the community all sources cited get information directly from the Run 8 Developers in the form of news releases. Compared to other train simulators Run 8 shares a small part of the market share. With that being said there are no articles about Run 8 from major news institutions nor are there reviews from large companies that review games like IGN. I did some research on other train simulators on Wikipedia namely [[Train Simulator (Dovetail Games)] which has all but 2 links cited that are from their own websites. Yet my article is being rejected for the same exact issues. I respectfully request that you appeal the denial of my article as this article is important for the growth of the Run 8 Train simulator. If you are unable to appeal the denial please assist me in how to make the article suitable for the standards for a Wiki article.

Dsflyerds (talk) 02:16, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

• @Dsflyerds: Notability in Wikipedia is generally shown by citations to mainstream media that show non-trivial coverage of the subject (see the general notability guideline). Please also see the Wikipedia guideline for reliable sources. In the case of video games, those media sources are sites like IGN. If I accept the submission in its current state, it is likely to be marked for deletion. The only thing that will fix the draft is to find better sources, and it is up to you to provide them. • Gene93k (talk) 02:48, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
• As for Train Simulator (Dovetail Games), "what about article X?" is an argument to avoid in Wikipedia. That article is tagged for problems that need to be fixed. However, that game gets some coverage from IGN. • Gene93k (talk) 02:48, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
• Finally, if you think the decline was wrong, please feel free to resubmit the draft for review so that another reviewer can evaluate the draft. • Gene93k (talk) 02:48, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Submission declined draft article on Michael A. Russ, photographer on 12 March 2018

Hi Gene93k, thank you for your quick review of the draft article on Michael A. Russ, photographer, March 12. In your review you declined the inclusion in the English Wikipedia stating "Draft cites non-trivial coverage by one independent reliable source (Seoul Times). Basic notability requires multiple independent reliable sources". • Gene93k (talk) 23:19, 12 March 2018. I was asked to improve the submission's referencing so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia“. I have consequently set out to do that over the last 2 weeks and indeed I found some more independent and reliable sources which I included. I also complemented and corrected bibliographic information in previously used sources and references so that they could be verifiable. With the changes made, I am hoping that the notability of the photographer Michael A. Russ is adequately shown. I think I have unburried all sources available to support the quest for inclusion of this article on Michael A. Russ in the English language Wikipedia (there is an article in the German Wikipedia, created several years before). I am hoping this qualifies for a succesful new submittal.

In regard to the removed „Swordfishtrombones“ cover image – as not a fair image usage, I like to point out that Russ has the copyright to this image and agrees to the usage in the article. As it is already published in the English Wikipedia here, I am not sure why I cannot link to that image in the article. This image clearly best signifies the unique photographic style of the artist and represents also his most famous and notable photographic contribution to popular culture. Thank you for looking at the article again.Duschischka (talk) 17:14, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Middle School Article

I thought that a shooting threat was notable??? And did my draft seem biased to you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Spring_Mills_Middle_School TheRealWeatherMan (talk) 00:54, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

13:15:17, 3 April 2018 review of submission by Jpacura

• Jpacura (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:House Flipper (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Jpacura (talk) 13:15, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello,

I am writing to you in reference to the article I have prepared here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:House_Flipper Is there any option please to accept it / review it a bit faster because we release our game in less than 2 weeks and it is being required to prepare a youtube page for it.

Thank you in advance and have a good day.

Best regards, Jakub Pacura Junior Marketing Specialist

Draft:Stellenberg, Bellville

Good day Gene93k

Reliable sources were attached and the google maps reference has been removed.

Thank you

User:Barry Ne —Preceding undated comment added 04:57, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Indian articles at AfC

Hi, can you please be careful with India-related articles at AfC. You accepted Dinesh Kaushik (politician) but, as is common, it is nigh-on useless because of source fabrication and puffery. Obviously, the guy passes our notability requirements because he is an MLA but we really shouldn't be accepting the rubbish that was in the text. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 11:22, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

14:36:24, 8 April 2018 review of submission by Amadonshannon

• Amadonshannon (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Runescarred (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Bio section edited. Referenced and not copied - stupid mistake.

I resubmitted but wanted to follow up here as well. I think I covered my bases - found verbiage that is more salesy that I just didn't notice.

Amadonshannon (talk) 14:36, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Interested in becoming a new page patroller?

User:Amorymeltzer/sandbox/npp/note I know you were recently asked, but I figured it was worth checking again. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 15:25, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

03:51:44, 12 April 2018 review of submission by Wolverinestudent12

• Wolverinestudent12 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Wisconsin/Michigan Hi-Q (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I am not asking for a re-review like it says here, what does the newspaper branch event thing mean and what do I need to do in simpler terms? Thank you for taking time to review my page.

Wolverinestudent12 (talk) 03:51, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@Wolverinestudent12: If I may speak for Gene, his comment mentioned that the only reliable source listed in the article (i.e. a source not tied directly to the event's organizers) is a local newspaper article. Since the only independent coverage that appears to be available is local coverage, not the significant coverage that Wikipedia requires to consider a topic worthy of inclusion in this encyclopedia (see WP:N and WP:42), this event, which is a branch of a wider national-level event which is already covered elsewhere (Delco Hi-Q) does not merit its own separate article. (Gene, correct me if I have not interpreted your comment correctly!) WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:02, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Patrick Griffin (political consultant), Submission declined on 17 April 2018 by Gene93k, tone

Thanks Gene93k for your review, it was very helpful to me as I worked on bringing my draft closer to Wikipedia standards. Once pointed out, it became clear that the tone left much to be improved upon. Much appreciated! I just resubmitted the article for re-review. MPCStrategic (talk) 17:20, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

14:38:42, 18 April 2018 review of submission by VickyStarship

• VickyStarship (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:VTime Limited (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

VickyStarship (talk) 14:38, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello! Just wondering which bits make it sound like an advertisement? Is it this part? "The studio is staffed by talent from renowned studios such as the now defunct Studio Liverpool, Evolution Studios and Bizarre Creations, including former director of Studio Liverpool Clemens Wangerin, alongside founding members from Evolution Studios. The team have collectively devised or delivered more than 100 apps and games including PlayStation launch titles and AAA franchises such as MotorStorm,[3] WipEout, Project Gotham Racing, Blur, James Bond 007: Blood Stone, Formula 1 and World Rally Championship.[4]"

...because I think this part is covered: should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed VickyStarship (talk) 14:38, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

• @VickyStarship: That is the most offending of the content. That and the "now available on" paragraph come of a mainly promotional. Wikipedia does not use peacock terms like "renowned". Also one of the "sources" is Wikipedia, not acceptable. Please also note that notability is not inherited from the names dropped. Finally, you have acknowledged a conflict of interest. Your idea of objective truth may not match Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. • Gene93k (talk) 14:58, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello! Thanks. That was useful. I've cleaned up the piece. Do I need to resumbit, or can you see the edits? — Preceding unsigned comment added by VickyStarship (talk • contribs) 15:09, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

PS. Am I going crazy, I can't see where I used Wiki as a reference? VickyStarship (talk) 15:13, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

• @VickyStarship: The reference to Wikipedia was titled "PlayStation 3 launch".[1] It has been removed from the current draft. You are welcome to resubmit the draft and another reviewer will probably get to it before I do. • Gene93k (talk) 17:02, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! Much appreciated VickyStarship (talk) 10:50, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at User talk:WilliamJE#Deletion sorting reversions

 You are invited to join the discussion at User talk:WilliamJE#Deletion sorting reversions. Hi Gene93k: Requesting your input regarding deletion sorting at the discussion linked above. Thanks for your consideration. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:39, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Stellenberg, Bellville

Good day Gene93k

Your comment of 14 March 2018 refers

I have changed it to show more notability and to have better independent citations

Thank you

User:Barry Ne —Preceding undated comment added 14:54, 26 April 2018‎ (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks for accepting my article on Krugersdorp tunnel bank robbery Barry Ne (talk) 18:19, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Crystal Lake (DJ) Notability

Hi Gene, I've added a few reference links to support the fact this act's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Crystal_Lake_(DJ) music was featured in National TV in USA (The Allen show, and Dancing With The Stars), Also was written about in DJ Mag. Are these not good enough sources for Notability? DJ Mag: https://djmag.com/music/hard/live-your-life-crystal-lake-hard-mix Dancing With The Stars (Check description): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJmqIfBLN_c The Allen Show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg89g0ecG38 Full cover article (in Hebrew): https://megatickets.co.il/magazine/crystal-lake/

Crystal Lake is the leading Hardstyle act in Israel, I think it's notable in my opinion. Please let me have your thoughts.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.111.160.23 (talk) 07:13, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Articles for creation: K2 Geospatial (May 9)

Hi Gene93k,

The article wasn't changed since the previous submission, because I already wrote this article in French and it was approved.[2] There is no differences between the French and English version. Can you tell me more about why the same article can be approved in one language but not in another one? It's been near to 4 months that I'm trying to put this article online and I'm still wondering what can I do more to make this possible. I would really appreciate your help on this one. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeaBlanchet (talk • contribs) 17:38, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

• @LeaBlanchet: en.Wikipedia and fr.Wikipedia have different reviewers with different guidelines. The first reviewer at English Wikipedia rejected the draft as too promotional (and it is). Wikipedia requires a neutral point of view and it does not allow advertising or promotion. The draft was resubmitted without any changes. It is still unacceptable. • Gene93k (talk) 18:41, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Copyright problem: Tomaree High School

== Tomaree high school == Copyright Hey gen93k I work at tomaree high school and moved information from our website to our Wikipedia page. I have full authority to do so whatever I please, I do not see the copyright infringement being relevant. COuld you please advise how I go about this.

Cheers Joelwashere - Technical support officer - Tomaree high — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joelwashere (talk • contribs) 01:57, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

• @Joelwashere: As general advice, don't do this because it is against multiple Wikipedia guidelines and policies. Your editing the article about your own school is a conflict of interest. Even if you can prove you have the authority to use the text, the text is promotional. Wikipedia does not allow advertising and the text violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. Finally, you are trying to base the Wikipedia article on what the school says about itself. Wikipedia articles are based on what independent reliable published sources say, warts and all. If you insist on using the text, you can contact the Wikipedia OTRS team with proof of permission. • Gene93k (talk) 13:14, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

U.S. Deletion sorting

• Nb. I have drafted a proposal to create guidelines for the U.S. deletion sorting page. The discussion is located at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Deletion sorting § WikiProject Deletion sorting/United States of America guideline proposal. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:31, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Page declined: RidingEasy Records

Hi Gene,

Writing to get some clarity on what I can do to get this page approved: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:RidingEasy_Records

The comment was that the citations do not show additional significant coverage from independent reliable sources, and the original rejection was because it requires significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources.

I don't totally understand, as I've used very well known sources such as L.A. Weekly, The Guardian, and The Onion's AV Club, as well as smaller niche music sites like DangerousMinds and Slug.

I modeled the entry after other independent record label entries I read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_record_labels

This entry has more coverage, from higher quality sources than other approved entries I've seen. Did the standards for record labels change and now it's a higher bar than it used to be? I'm at a loss here.

Thank you,

Jgmartin4nyc (talk) 02:37, 12 July 2018 (UTC)Jgmartin4nyc

JKB Research SA deleted

Hi Gene93K

I recently submitted a page about the business called JKB Research SA. You recommended it for speedy Deletion and I can see that it has been removed.

I am writing for some clarity on why the page was not approved please.

This is the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:JKB_Research_SA&action=edit&redlink=1

I submitted this for a client and followed what other similar businesses have included on their pages

You can see plenty of examples here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cannabis_companies

JKB Research SA is the largest cannabis company in Switzerland and as a significant business they require a wikipedia page. As you can see from the citations I included they have been covered by many highly trusted media sources as well as smaller industry sites.

The page I created for them is a lot more objective and specific than previous pages published in the same industry.

This is certainly not some kind of advertising. They are a serious business, leading a fast growing industry. We just want to add a factual page about them.

Please could you let me know how I can change the article so that it is more factual and not classed as advertising?

If you could use examples from the list of other published businesses in the industry that would be helpful.

Also - the article has been completely deleted. How can i recover it to use as a starting point for a new article once I have your recommendations?

Kind Regards

Joel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deepfootprints (talk • contribs) 03:37, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

NPOL

Thanks for straightening me out on my misunderstanding. I think it's an example of where I thought I had figured out a general policy only to have my understandings dashed by the fact that policies are sometimes created piecemeal by consensus and happenstance. From my perspective, the idea that every one of the 500+ representatives to the New Hampshire House is inherently notable seems ludicrous, especially if it includes all those thousands of people who have served in that capacity in the past. But I'll just have to live with it. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:17, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Amboy Bank Rejection

Hi,

I see your point that Amboy Bank is not widely known outside of NJ, yet its 130+ year history makes it relevant to its area. There are other NJ banks/credit unions on Wikipedia that are even smaller and have less substantial references, such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Constitution_Bancorp, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Bell_Bank, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyar_Bank and others. Perhaps the same ruling should apply to them, or Amboy Bank should be allowed to be published. Thanks for your work and consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by C2013 (talk • contribs) 17:31, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Request on 17:44:42, 11 October 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Twain Alexander

• Twain Alexander (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Gencade (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Twain Alexander (talk) 17:44, 11 October 2018 (UTC) please help me get my article approved, define notable? how notable the person has to be? and what states a reference is independent. ive seen pages that had less then the page i tried to create and those pages went through.

Request on 19:01:42, 14 October 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Rajeevranjanr

• Rajeevranjanr (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Docprime (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi I have submitted Draft:Docprime page. Writing to get some clarity on what I can do to get this page approved. Your review shows that it lacks significant coverage.The Publishers i have mentioned is India's top business publisher. This entry has more coverage, from higher quality sources than other approved entries I've seen. The entry is highly credible and had coverage on most of the media channels. I will be certainly delighted if you help me to understand it. Rajeevranjanr (talk) 19:01, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!

Happy Halloween!

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Request on 13:44:22, 23 October 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Sebvegt

• Sebvegt (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Prorize LLC (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Gene93k,

Thank you for reviewing the article on Prorize, just wanted to quickly follow up on my submission. Happy to edit it but I do believe it merits consideration. The Franz Edelman award for operations research, which Prorize won, is not only independent and credible, it is considered the foremost prize of its kind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Edelman_Award_for_Achievement_in_Operations_Research_and_the_Management_Sciences. The INFORMS articles that the Prorize page references are not just independent, they are run by some of the foremost scientist in the field of operations. Moreover, the fact that a similar firm would be accepted despite not having the credibility that Prorize does is further prove that it merits consideration (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Analytics). Please let me know if I can resubmit (will get rid of any language that would be deemed promotional) with the current references.

Best regards, Sebastian

Sebvegt (talk) 13:44, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Discussion: AfD tagging of Tarini Choudhury Govt. Girls H.S. & M.P. School

This article references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Vrisle (talk) 06:24, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

• @Vrisle: AfD is a three-step process. Tagging the article is only the first step. I you want the article deleted at AfD, please complete the process. The AfD tag on the article lists the instructions for starting the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tarini Choudhury Govt. Girls H.S. & M.P. School and listing it on the daily log. Please note that deleting a high school/secondary school is contentious to say the least. • Gene93k (talk) 12:00, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Request on 18:25:47, 8 November 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Hope samantha

• Hope samantha (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Washington National Insurance Company (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Need more feedback on how to get my article approved. Hi Gene93k. As you can see, I'm really struggling to get this article approved. I've scoured every inch of the web to find independent sources, but there's just not a whole lot of stuff out there. It's a 100+ year old organization, and it's parent company has an article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNO_Financial_Group), so you'd think this would be easy. If you could provide any direction on how the heck I can get this thing approved, I would really appreciate it!!

Hope samantha

Hope samantha (talk) 18:25, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Request on 21:09:29, 12 November 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Miroslav.uzice87

• Miroslav.uzice87 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:EWLA (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Miroslav.uzice87 (talk) 21:09, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Request on 17:22:49, 13 November 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Passion d

• Passion d (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Good Hemp Food (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi there,

I have submitted an article but it was not accepted the first time. Therefore, I have had it revised and resubmitted. However, it is taking quite a bit of time to get back a response/notification as to whether it has been accepted or not.

Can you please let me know what the reason might be or how long it normally takes to get back an answer.

I would appreciate your reply.

Many thanks.

Passion d (talk) 17:22, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

• @Passion d: I see that another editor has reviewed the draft. The draft needs to cite more non-trivial coverage from independent reliable sources. Articles about investment/funding/mergers/acquisitions are considered routine coverage. Sources based on what a the people involved say (e.g. privateequityqire.co.uk) are not considered independent. A useful summary of coverage standards can be found at WP:CORPDEPTH. • Gene93k (talk) 20:36, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I have now made the necessary changes in respecting of including reliable and independent sources. Can you please have it reviewed again.

Thanks so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Passion d (talk • contribs) 16:53, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

•  Not done @Passion d: You have already created Good Hemp in article space. The draft would be a duplicate. The main space article is up for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Good Hemp. You are welcome to improve Good Hemp and join the AfD discussion whether the article should be kept. • Gene93k (talk) 19:27, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
• I looked at the references added since the last decline. They appear to routine in nature and one is largely based on what they say about themselves. The WP:CORP notability guideline does not consider this significant independent coverage. Please consult the guideline about the required depth of coverage. • Gene93k (talk) 19:42, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Can you let me know which one is largely based on what they are saying about themselves? I have updated the article Good Hemp now. Can you please tell me how to join the AfD discussion on whether the article should be kept.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Passion d (talk • contribs) 09:24, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

• @Passion d: The WP:CORP guideline says to be cautious about using trade press. Also coverage about funding etc. is considered routine. Three sources stand out:
  • Foodbev Media: Reads like an obvious press release
  • Food Manufacture: Routine, promotional and heavily sourced to entities involved
  • The Telegraph interview: Interviews are primary sources. What company personnel say about the company does not count as independent.

Finally I see that you have already joined the AfD discussion. • Gene93k (talk) 14:57, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Request on 08:20:04, 19 November 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Rakeshsingh4146

• Rakeshsingh4146 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Singsys (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, Thanks for the review, I understood your point of view and reason for article not being accepted. On the positive note as you have mentioned that "Siliconindia is the only independent source with any in-depth coverage" so based on this link only if I reframe the content as below will that be accepted?

Singsys is Singapore based mobile, web and e-commerce app development agency. The Founder and CEO, Sri Narayan Shukla believes balanced work culture of work and play helps them go an extra mile to meet clients satisfaction level which earned them the title of Startup of the Year for Website design in 2014 by Silicon India Magazine. The company embarked its journey with a team of 3 individuals who have now grown into a team of 100+ professionals. Their team is full of tech enthusiasts who developed mobile and web applications for companies of all size. Samsung and KPMG Financial Services are among Fortune 500 companies for which Singsys has built business solutions.

Reference link - https://www.siliconindia.com/magazine-articles-in/Singsys_Enabling_Customers_to_Annex_a_Meaningful_Online_Presen...-RDFC139773855.html

Rakeshsingh4146 (talk) 08:20, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

• @Rakeshsingh4146: The relevant notability guideline requires significant coverage from multiple independent reliable published sources. They must be independent of the subject and independent of each other. The proposed would be rejected as promotional and basing an article on one source is bad practice. Compile the facts from multiple reliable and state them in your own words in a neutral point of view. The draft needs to cite additional coverage by reputable independent publications before it can be published. Please consult the WP:CORP guideline for what constitutes significant coverage by reliable sources. • Gene93k (talk) 19:39, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Dear Gene93k, Thanks for the information. I would like to know if I get in-depth coverage about Singsys on below websites will that boost chances of getting my article published on Singsys. I mean to say is there any specific types of websites in particular that need to be approached or it is simply any relaible website? List of websites - https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/ - https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore - https://www.channelnewsasia.com/

I have mentioned these news websites upon finding that wikipedia page are live for articles that have cited news websites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rakeshsingh4146 (talk • contribs) 08:16, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

• @Rakeshsingh4146: In general, reliable sources mean reputable media sources (news, books, etc.) that are intellectually independent of the subject. The sites you listed above are reliable, but the coverage also needs to be non-routine and non-trivial. The articles at the sites need to be evaluated individually. Interviews, press releases and other material based on what the company says about itself are not independent. Coverage about funding, mergers and acquisitions is considered routine. Directory entries like the Economic Times page don't count as significant coverage. The full details about what is expected is in the Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) guideline. • Gene93k (talk) 13:31, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Dear Gene93k, Thanks for response, I would like you to explain in detail about - what you mean by non-routine coverage? is it we cannot have back to back post on these sites or something else? - what you mean by article at sites need to individually evaluated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rakeshsingh4146 (talk • contribs) 04:21, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

• @Rakeshsingh4146: The definition of what constitutes significant coverage is spelled out in the WP:CORPDEPTH section of Notability (organizations and companies) guideline. It also lists examples of trivial (including routine) coverage:

• of a product or a product line launch, sale, change, or discontinuance,
• of the participation in industry events, such as trade fairs or panel discussions,
• of the shareholders' meetings or other corporate events,
• of the hiring, promotion, or departure of personnel,
• of the expansions, acquisitions, mergers, sale, or closure of the business,
• of a capital transaction, such as raised capital

This is not an exhaustive list. See the guideline for the full text.

• As for individual articles, the guideline says, "the reputation of the source does help to determine whether the source is reliable and independent." For example, a profile in Forbes is neither independent nor significant coverage. However, a Forbes article detailing a company's history or operations may be significant and independent coverage as long it's not based primarily on what the company or its personnel say. Interviews don't count. The WP:ORGCRIT section of the notability guideline shows a four-part test that should be applied. • Gene93k (talk) 13:59, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

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Request on 22 November 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by akashish111

Hello Gene93k, I have submitted an article "Clavax", as much i did my research, subject is notable, popular among in technology. Even then it was not accepted. I revised it and resubmitted same with relevant references. Please have a look again guide me what change can be done. akashish111 (talk) 12:42, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

• @Akashish111: I see that another reviewer has already declined the submission. Again, please see the Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) guideline for what constitutes significant coverage by reliable sources independent of the subject. The references you added don't qualify. One is a press release, not independent. One is a list of companies, again not significant coverage. One is an interview with the CEO. Sources base on what company personnel say are not independent coverage. I also rejected the draft as advertising. The draft has not been substantially improved since then. • Gene93k (talk) 14:55, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Request on 17:01:42, 30 November 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Halle hebbel

• Halle hebbel (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Trinity Fellowship Church (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello Gene,

Can you give me some suggestions on how to more specifically edit my page of Trinity Fellowship Church to get it approved. I tried to base a lot of the formatting and information off of other similar pages that have been published, such as Gateway Church (Texas), and New Life Church (Colorado Springs, Colorado). Can you tell me what is different from my page and these pages so that I can work on making my page approval worthy?

Thank you! -Halle Hebbel

Halle hebbel (talk) 17:01, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

• @Halle hebbel: The main things lacking are depth of independent coverage and breadth of audience served by reliable sources as required by the Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) guideline. Announcements from the church, press releases or interviews with church personnel don't count as independent. Routine coverage by local news outlets is also insufficient. What about article X? does not carry much weight on Wikipedia. New Life Church (Colorado Springs, Colorado) is tagged for issues, but it has coverage from Harpers, PRI and the BBC. Gateway Church (Texas) is tagged for the same issues as Trinity Fellowship and those issues need to be fixed. The most helpful improvements to Trinity would be in-depth coverage about the organization by a major regional or national news outlet. • Gene93k (talk) 11:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

David Meyer football followup

Hello,

I was wondering if you could provide some clarification for Draft:David_Meyer_(football_player) - what is preventing the article publication? By playing with the Packers in one season, that passes the Gridiron notability factor, correct? And there were articles in WaPo and AP. Is there something that needs cut, or is it an issue with the References? I look forward to your response. Bravo1138 (talk) 02:43, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

• @Bravo1138: The standard of WP:NGRIDIRON is not just being on the team but playing at least one regular or post-season game at the top level. His NFL stats are zero games.[3] The Washington Post coverage is routine. The AP coverage is interesting but still routine. But all together, coverage does not add up to passing WP:GNG or WP:NCOLLATH, which demands coverage for the individual beyond being a member of a notable team. • Gene93k (talk) 11:08, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
  • OK, thanks. Bravo1138 (talk) 13:40, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Talley Vineyards submission

Hi Gene,

Can you point me in the right direction for improving the Talley Vineyards submission. I understand the requirement for non-trivial coverage with a national audience, but I think there are a few

I think the vineyard is notable for the following reasons:

1. The history of Talley Farms (1948) and Talley Vineyards (1986)
   • Referenced from the SFGate coverage and several other (admittedly non-national) write-ups.
2. Hosting the first "first cybertasting"
   • Referenced from The New York Times
   • Referenced from the Tribune, San Luis Obispo County's newspaper and news website (again, admittedly non-national, but it does have a Wikipedia article).
3. The Judgment of Paris 30th Anniversary placing
   • Referenced from The Washington Post
   • The original Judgment of Paris was one of the biggest events in the wine world and the 30th Anniversary, known as "The Tasting that Changed the Wine World", shocked the industry with American wines prevailing once again.
   • Interestingly, the French language Wikipedia article Jugement de Paris does actually specifically name the the 2002 Talley Vineyards Rosemary’s Vineyard Chardonnay as the best California Chardonnay (here, scroll down to "Résultats chardonnays californiens"). I suppose I could link to this or update the English Wikipedia page?
   • I can add dozens more references to this result, but they are all wine related (wine.com, etc.), not sure if that helps?
   • There is a paywalled article in the San Luis Obispo Tribune I could add as well (here is a search result for it)
4. The book
   • Their book has an ISBN and I could add other citations as well.

Let me know what you think,
Bryandamon (talk) 22:10, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

• @Bryandamon: From the sources given:
  • SFGate: Okay, as I wrote in my review comment.
  • New York Time: Incidental mention. The article needs to focus on Talley Vineyards in depth.
  • Washington Post (Associated Press): Another incidental mention.
  • If the book you are referring to is Our California Table, it is a primary source, written by a principal of the company. The "custom" publisher looks suspiciously like self-published.
  • As for Judgement of Paris, fr.Wikipedia and en.Wikipedia have independent notability and content guidelines. If you want to edit the English-language article, please remember to cite reliable sources and take note of relevance and due weight of content.
  • If the 1948 and 1986 works are independently published, please produce them.
  • Free sources are preferred of paywalled sources when available.
• Finally, again please see the WP:CORP guideline for what is considered significant independent coverage and please not that local business press does not contribute to notability for companies. • Gene93k (talk) 01:00, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback.

For the Judgement of Paris, on the English Wikipedia, since it is just supporting the claim of the wine winning California's best Chardonnay, would the following citations work:

• Washington Post
• Napa Valley Register
• Finfacts Ireland
• Paywalled article from the San Luis Obispo Tribune

Then if that was approved, a link to the English Wikipedia page on Judgement of Paris would suffice for notability and defense?

Also, for the 1948 and 1986 claims, the SFGate article supports this as well, I could add the citation appropriately:

• The winery was founded by the Talley family. Oliver Talley began growing vegetables in the Arroyo Grande Valley in 1948.
• Talley produced its first wine in 1986.

Bryandamon (talk) 01:28, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

• @Bryandamon: As good as it is, SFGate is just one source. Notability per WP:CORP and WP:GNG requires significant coverage from multiple independent reliable sources, intellectually independent of the subject and from each other. The facts are not in dispute, but do multiple published sources of significant audience acknowledge them in a non-trivial manner? That is the notability question. Notability is not established by association with important subjects. Also, awards don't count for much with WP:CORP without significant acknowledgement from independent reliable sources. This draft needs to show additional reliable source coverage to get a stand-alone Wikipedia article. • Gene93k (talk) 01:50, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Gene, How about the following books (there are several more that are similar):

• Nalley, Richard; Editors of FOOD & WINE (Oct 7, 2016). FOOD & WINE 2017 Wine Guide: America's 500 Best Wineries. Time Inc. Books. ISBN 9780848753757. {{cite book}}: |last2= has generic name (help)
  • link to relevant section
• Haeger, John Winthrop (Nov 17, 2008). Pacific Pinot Noir: A Comprehensive Winery Guide for Consumers and Connoisseurs. University of California Press. pp. 371–372. ISBN 9780520942110.
  • link to relevant section

• @Bryandamon: The Haeger book looks like a good source. I can't see Nally book's contents online. You are welcome to apply the sources and resubmit the draft. Another editor will probably review the it before I do. • Gene93k (talk) 19:48, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Gene, sounds good, thanks for the help. I'll update the article and resubmit.  FYI, I think this link should show the Nalley section on Talley (unfortunately no page numbers).

Hi Gene, if you wouldn't mind taking another look, I found an article specifically on Talley Vineyard in the LA Times.
Brown, Corie (May 3, 2006). "The Accidental Vintner". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved December 10, 2018.

Sara Jay Rejection

SARA JAY REJECTION

Hi Gene. Happy holidays. I am perplexed by your rejection of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sara_Jay. You write 'and it has been protected against recreation. While the subject may pass the letter of WP:PORNBIO, the consensus is that, without significant coverage from quality sources'. The previous chatter about Sara Jay's notability was years ago, before she was inducted into the adult Hall of Fame. The editor who spearheaded that rejection has since been banned from Wikipedia. Chrissymad, the editor who rejected the first draft is also gone. 'Significant coverage' from 'quality sources' gives no guidance. Are you saying the links are inaccurate? The links are accepted industry standard links like AVN or XBIZ. Can you clarify? It seems to me that if the industry itself has bestowed the highest honor on a person for Hall of Fame how can you possibly say that she's not notable? Ilovepitts (talk) 12:05, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

• @Ilovepitts:
  • WP:RS is a very clear guideline. The references are of low quality. The porn trade articles are refactored press releases which do not meet the standard of independent reliable sources.
  • Hall of Fame is not an automatic keep anymore. Articles without significant reliably-sourced content are redirected (e.g. Mai Lin, Honey Wilder) or even deleted (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Janet Jacme).
  • Discussion at at porn-related AfDs since Sara Jay's Hall of Fame induction indicate that that new fact is not enough to overturn the permanent WP:SALTing of the article.
• Finally, until an admin removes the mainspace creation protection, reviewers cannot publish the article. This is a dead end proposal. • Gene93k (talk) 12:42, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
• @Ilovepitts: Since my previous reply, I reviewed the talk archives at WikiProject Pornography (esp. Archive 8 and Archive 9). The recommended course of action would be taking the deletion with protection to deletion review. • Gene93k (talk) 12:51, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Request on 13:13:34, 11 December 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Fan of chengcheng 04

• Fan of chengcheng 04 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Kid Milli (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

The rapper who I am making a page about is not quite famous internationally and there is very limited information about him which are available from websites which may not be reliable according to wikipedia but they are actually reliable ones for the fans. So I hope you understand and help me out

Fan of chengcheng 04 (talk) 13:13, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Fan of chengcheng 04 (talk) 13:13, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

• @Fan of chengcheng 04: Either a source is reliable (having a good reputation for fact checking) or it isn't. Self-published sites, user-generated content and open wikis are not reliable sources for facts or notability. When reputable media in any language take note of Kid Milli or Kid Milli achieves something to pass WP:MUSICBIO, only then should he get a Wikipedia article. • Gene93k (talk) 13:45, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

@Gene93k: According to Wikipedia:Notability (music) Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. Kid Milli has come in a famous hip hop survival show in Korea. Has won first, second or third place in a major music competition. He got third place in Show me the money 777. Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels. The label he is under Indigo music releases music through LOEN/ Kakao M entertainment who are a major record label in Korea.

Fan of chengcheng 04 (talk) 13:36, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

• @Fan of chengcheng 04: Notability requires verifiable evidence. You say the TV show is notable and that the competitions are major and that the record label is major. Please produce the reliable sources that attest to their significance. Being one of the performers on a notable reality show does not make the contestant notable. Also, calling reality shows Show Me the Money 777 major music competitions generally won't fly at Wikipedia. • Gene93k (talk) 16:29, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

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Request on 18:37:48, 27 December 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by KyleLes

• KyleLes (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Titan FTP Server (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

KyleLes (talk) 18:37, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

• @KyleLes: You made a request for assistance but did not specify what kind of assistance. To clarify the decline, the Wikipedia:Notability guideline requires a subject to have non-trivial coverage from multiple reliable published sources that are independent of the subject and independent from one another. The references cited in the draft were 1) the product's website, 2) a partner's certification and 3) the product's website again. None of these qualify as independent reliable sources. If the product has coverage by reputable media beyond mere mentions or listings, please cite them in the draft. • Gene93k (talk) 22:11, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Antonio Breez

He is eligible for a wikipedia article and I already added those info in the article, the why you declined the submission? may I know please.. Ajimathew908 (talk) 05:38, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

• @Ajimathew908: Most of the references in the draft to not satisfy the reliable sources guideline. The reliable references do not show how this musician meets any of the criteria of the WP:MUSICBIO notability guideline. Interviews and announcements do not count as significant secondary source coverage. • Gene93k (talk) 14:28, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

• @Gene93k: The platforms he’s been on are not platforms for non acclimated artist. in addition to those he’s been in news papers ( attached) as well as many television debuts centered around him. as well as radio Success. how can we get this article approved ? Ajimathew908 (talk)

• @Ajimathew908: The Wikipedia:Notability (music) guideline is clear. A musician needs significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Failing that, a musician needs reliably-sourced proof of achievement such as making a reputable national chart, rotation on a national network or multiple albums released on a major record label. If the artist has significant TV coverage, please add citations to reliable sources that verify it in the draft. Again, blogs, interviews and promotional material don't count. If the draft is published in its current form, it will likely be deleted. • Gene93k (talk) 11:32, 31 December 2018 (UTC)