User talk:Graham87/Archive 49
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Be careful that you're not reverting vandalism
Please review your revert on Ahmed Mohamed clock incident. I realize you were attempting to mass-revert an apparent block evader, but your revert reinserted blatant vandalism. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 14:05, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
- @NorthBySouthBaranof: Fair enough ... ta for the note ... I did check some of their edits manually but I obviously didn't check that one! Graham87 14:10, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
Blindness articles/Bookshare low quality issue
Thanks for your response. I'll do some legwork and see if I can turn up some quality sources for an independent editor to use. Appreciate the answer back: took me a while to check my own talk page, even though I knew to look there! JRandomF (talk) 01:23, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Merger discussion for Swan Hill
An article that you have been involved in editing—Swan Hill—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Jonathan O'Donnell (talk) 00:36, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your notes on the merger proposal. I wasn’t aware of the distinction. Also, I didn’t intend to breech protocol in contacting too many users. I thought that was the right thing to do to contact contributors to the source and destination pages. What is the norm for contacting people re a merge proposal? Jonathan O'Donnell (talk) 05:01, 11 July 2020 (UTC) Jonathan O'Donnell (talk) 05:01, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
FYI
You got mentioned by name on a Cracked article. — xaosflux Talk 00:34, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Xaosflux: Lollollol! The only reason I found that page is because somebody I was following on Twitter posted a link to the wildly excessive synopsis, an I went and removed it ... and it's been on my watchlist ever since. "sacred repository of rap facts"? I'm not really into rap at all. But then there's my thing with the dog and rapper vandal. Graham87 05:01, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
your block of user:101.78.101.185
I was trying to figure out what was up with user:115.66.152.211's edits, including creating fake article climate content on other IP's talk pages. From their overlap on User talk:42.61.145.18 this appears to be the latest IP used by 101.78.101.185. See [1] and [2] for example. Meters (talk) 20:50, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Meters: Ta for the note. I've blocked that IP too. Graham87 02:49, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Market
Why do you keep reverting my added section in Markets (Economics)? I quoted pretty well known Noble prize wining economists and their well cited papers to show the distinction.
On top of that you say that my edit has the wrong "tone". But their should not be any such concerns about aesthetics, because what I am doing is descriptive, "in markets prices guide production", "in firms hierarchy guides production", "50% of US imports are intra firm". These are descriptive facts, "tone" is not a factor when it comes to description.
Lastly if you really feel that the "tone" is "unsuitable for wikipedia, instead of deleting the update, take some time rewrite it in the correct "tone" yourself, while keeping the substance unchanged. Although if you ask my "tone" is the same as 1000s of other articles in wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinkeringwiki (talk • contribs) 12:20, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- I agree, the material is welcome here,and sets up the next section. If it's the "wrong tone" (which I don't feel it particularly is), then the beauty of Wikipedia is that you can edit the tone or apply a tag appropriately. Removing it entirely is most unnecessary. -- AtomCrusher (talk) 13:06, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Amanda Reid
Hi, I noticed you (again) reverted the change to Amanda Reid with the inclusion of her name. You have linked to WP:BLP but I don't see an entry there that justifies you removing her well-publicised, not-hidden, reliably-sourced, context-providing name from the article. The closest is WP:BLPNAME but that doesn't apply for the reasoning above, and as it is now sourced then that reasoning is void. In my case, I attempted to find her article after hearing her old name and was directed there by the disambiguation page which is apparently fine. The talk page also implies that you have indirect communication with her or her representatives, which appears to generate WP:COI. Can you clarify these positions? -- AtomCrusher (talk) 12:54, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello please my edits about Sydney
Hello i live in Eastern Suburbs of Sydney my whole life and Page Wood is in eastern suburbs. like As for my edits to western places like towns around MacArthur region and places Maroota they are not proper suburbs of Sydney.
Meanagle Park is where welcome to Sydney sign is any anywhere lie Camden or any town past that is Not Sydney. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazykylebraxtonfan (talk • contribs) 09:57, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Reply from Commuter3:
They are localities, not actual suburbs. But some might get confused. Living in Sydney myself, I consider Maroota a suburb. Commuter3 (talk) 08:47, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
Davide King
I came across your name while researching this user. (I suspected meatpuppetry. I did not substantiate this suspicion, and merely mention it to explain why I was looking into him.) It does appear however that he has been previously reported for the sort of behavour that has frustrated me about him on War of 1812; huge walls of text, editing white space on talk pages, changing hyphens to 1-em dashes, etc... He's currently edit-warring over the infobox. Is there some way to get this revisited? If I have to I'll collect diffs and file a whole new case, I guess, but life is short, I have other fish to fry, and these are not the only shenanigans on the page. Thanks for anything you are able to do. Elinruby (talk) 20:24, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Elinruby: Sorry, but I'm not comfortable acting unilaterally here. I will say however he does have an onwiki friend or something ... see some of the comments in User talk:Davide King/Archive 1#Re-blocked. Graham87 03:48, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- if you are not comfortable, then you are not comfortable. But that long wall of text? Pretty much what he is doing now. That and ignoring the talk page. But ok, I guess someone, probably me, will have to file another complaint. I appreciate the answer and the brainpower. It's almost a shame, because he seems sincere about wanting to do the right thing, but then he repeatedly just does not. Anyway, have a good day. Elinruby (talk) 05:00, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
territory
looks like dead editors are something that links with this lot - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/119.18.3.58 - I could be wrong... but no trout please if I am JarrahTree 12:50, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
I was trying to be eliiptical/allusive/elusive - I see on your edit history you regularly update the sysop cats and sometimes I thought it might have been dead editors items but it was really sysop's fate - somehow I have extended associative dissonance like most fellow editors here in this gold fish bowl - and somehow keeping up with the defunct eds - the freaky title collection seems to have the same territorial smell so to speak - figured jaws might give the right ambience to the IP's edits as to whether they are genuine or junk - my friday night head is jumbled and jangled with seeing weirness interspersed with very strange tv ads - which is why I thought perhaps for you down in shark bite country (I have indeed swum off bunkers in very hot weather in the past) might need the distraction of freaky title edits as to their veracity. Presume you are lost now, I am already JarrahTree 13:06, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
- that's fine - it is going to take ages to get to create a table of the overflowing.. it finished in 96 - they now dont let the water over the top and insist on calling it a dam - so its b nightmare - Helena River reservoir - from when it was built - Lake CY O'Connor from 2004 till now, and Mundaring weir from when it was built, and Mundaring Dam from when they decided to stop theoverflowing in 1996. I hope in time to improve, xxxxx and xxxxx no doubt joining in to make their mess of it. JarrahTree 14:23, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Friendly (talk page stalker) A case of the damned dams, eh? Cheers Graham! Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 14:39, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Indeed ... damn them! :-) Graham87 15:01, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- If it was only that simple - nah its the weir [File:Mundaring_weir_overflowing_in_1960s.jpg] that is no longer spilling, and as for the late Jack Bruce who had a song (Weird of...Honky_Tonk_Angel_(Ellen_McIlwaine_album) side a track 2) or Robert Louis Stevenson's ( Weir_of_Hermiston ) - its nae aft of Hermiston, or anywhere for that matter, but jaws will probably make a doggone mess of all the potential puns, G G J apologies for the intrusion, I am sure odd allusions to weirs is sufficient between associates.. Graham I will try to find an mpeg of [[Ellen Mcillwaine doing the Bruce song its quite stirring, if I remember the right track... JarrahTree 15:07, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- I've found said thing! It's really interesting ... reminds me a bit ofNick Drake in a weird way. Ah, now it's picking up and stirring water around ... :-) Graham87 15:16, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Here's a legally uploaded link ... Graham87 15:20, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- I've found said thing! It's really interesting ... reminds me a bit ofNick Drake in a weird way. Ah, now it's picking up and stirring water around ... :-) Graham87 15:16, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- very sad - a few years ago Ellen actually wanted to start editing as she had found things she wanted to correct, but got frustrated by wikipedia logic, and simply walked away from anything, ( I think I might have discouraged her - not sure where the link might be) then in the last couple of months an acquaintance of hers wanted to edit material about her - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:147.160.130.28?vanarticle=Talk%3AEllen%20McIlwaine&noautowarn=true&vanarticlerevid=962255870 - sad... JarrahTree 15:31, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oh no! On a completely different musical angle, I've just found out about an absolutely crazy guy called Matt Farley, who specialises in, um, stuff like this, among other things. Little things amuse little minds, I guess ... Graham87 16:00, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- I found that person while looking for something a lot better ... this ... Graham87 16:08, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- If it was only that simple - nah its the weir [File:Mundaring_weir_overflowing_in_1960s.jpg] that is no longer spilling, and as for the late Jack Bruce who had a song (Weird of...Honky_Tonk_Angel_(Ellen_McIlwaine_album) side a track 2) or Robert Louis Stevenson's ( Weir_of_Hermiston ) - its nae aft of Hermiston, or anywhere for that matter, but jaws will probably make a doggone mess of all the potential puns, G G J apologies for the intrusion, I am sure odd allusions to weirs is sufficient between associates.. Graham I will try to find an mpeg of [[Ellen Mcillwaine doing the Bruce song its quite stirring, if I remember the right track... JarrahTree 15:07, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
a first
edit conflict with myself two times over... sigh - thanks for fix JarrahTree 12:53, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
never thought of it - jaws and Jnr Jn. Jr Jr. - suppose it renders them all the same? JarrahTree 13:03, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- aha - then the nuances of reality are explicated in sufficient quality for you then - pedantry can be yours to posses sir !! JarrahTree 13:08, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- it must be sad :( ~Abraham236 (talk) 16:40, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
August 2020
Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Perseverance (rover), without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. Idell (talk) 09:18, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Idell: Oooooops, fixed. Graham87 09:21, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Nice
hi there, before going into an edit war about good faith edits, can you please open a discussion on the Nice talk page about why you feel so strongly that the Nizza language should not be represented in the Nice infobox Somej (talk) 10:02, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Happy Adminship Anniversary!
Happy Adminship Anniversary!
Joni's break
Hi Graham. Why is that " better HTML" exactly? I had thought that the markup <br/> was now deprecated in favour of <br>? I've asked User:Ojorojo this question and am awaiting an answer. Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:21, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Martinevans123: Nope, it's the other way around. See Help:HTML in wikitext#br. Graham87 07:30, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- P.s. it'd be nice to be out of touch with the breakdown of this century, but we can't have everything. That's one of my favourite songs on that album, and of Mitchell's entire career ... Graham87 07:55, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Cheers, Graham. Yes, a nice one. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:02, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, I disagree with both Martin and you, Graham. Years ago I was taught to always use <br />. My very best wishes to both of you! Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 09:07, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hehehe, I don't have a problem with the extra space ... Graham87 09:10, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Some of my best wikipedia edits consist only of spaces. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:12, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, I disagree with both Martin and you, Graham. Years ago I was taught to always use <br />. My very best wishes to both of you! Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 09:07, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Cheers, Graham. Yes, a nice one. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:02, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- probably total blanks... JarrahTree 12:02, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
BASIC interpreter
Thank you for the WikiProject quality rating for BASIC interpreter. Could you or someone else give me a specific list of items to address to improve the quality? I had been working on some of the items but would love to know the three things that are a priority to fix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffrey Henning (talk • contribs) 21:49, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Jeffrey Henning: No worries; I just take C-class as a default for any substantial article, because some projects have their own idea of what is and is not appropriate for B-class (see Wikipedia:Content assessment for more info, but I wouldn't take it too seriously). Personally I think the article could do with info about IBM PC BASICs, but I'm not in a good position to find sources for that. All I did was copy and adapt the tags from Talk:BASIC ... I'm not planning to be hugely involved with the article. Graham87 05:20, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Graham87: I've extensively expanded the BASIC interpreter article over the past month to improve the quality, after you rated it a C. Please review when you have a chance and let me know if I have addressed your concerns. Jeffrey Henning (talk) 20:21, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Jeffrey Henning: Cool, thanks, sounds good now. Graham87 04:43, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Graham87: I've extensively expanded the BASIC interpreter article over the past month to improve the quality, after you rated it a C. Please review when you have a chance and let me know if I have addressed your concerns. Jeffrey Henning (talk) 20:21, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
Tracy Chapman
When I've spoken with Tracy Chapman, she continues her 35 year tradition of not wanting her personal life discussed. Well-source implies one clear source or multiple sources. The Guardian does not seem to reveal Chapman's sexual orientation besides a woman being in love with Chapman when she was in her 20s. It's odd to have a Personal Life section that only includes Chapman asking people to respect her privacy. wikipedia noting "Although Chapman has never publicly disclosed her sexual orientation", one woman talking about a romantic relationship is evidence she is a Lesbian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BradLyman (talk • contribs) 16:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Rite of Spring
You might like to try the version for two pianos. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:15, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Pigsonthewing: Yeah, I know about the piano arrangements; I added a link to the four-hand piano version to The Rite of Spring article. But it's still far too dissident for me ... FWIW I first heard it in a high-school music class and was the only one not to like it. Give me Pulcinella any day though. :-) Graham87 02:51, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
- Different music: Every once in a while, I have a TFA, happy that it was also a tribute to Brian, in great collaboration, fine Main page, and see also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:49, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Cool, I love Monteverdi and that work of his! And it being a tribute to Brian is just a bonus. And the DYK is nice, too. Graham87 03:25, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- In contrast: matching colours music to the Dahlias, "brute loud and secretly quiet". - The music (specifically "Meermenschen") was given to me for my birthday. A funeral in 2 days. Brute. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:33, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Wow, interesting ... from that link I discovered that Google now has in-built lyric machine-translation, which is kinda neat. Am I understanding right that the song is expressing displeasure at people who want to turn away refugees?
- My current musical obsession is Jacob Collier and his arrangements and songs from the breath-takingly complex to achingly simple. I'm very sad to hear about Jerome's passing from your talk page. Graham87 15:13, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
- You got that right, it was in 2016 when refugees came in little boats, and some were afraid too many (Menschenmeer = sea of people) - neat to have the translation feature, I had no idea. - Go and read on Jerome's page if you haven't done so. This was friendship of 10 years, - he was one of those I met early, like you a bit later. - I wish I had given him Impact while he was alive, - same as Brian. I'll listen to Collier later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:23, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
- In contrast: matching colours music to the Dahlias, "brute loud and secretly quiet". - The music (specifically "Meermenschen") was given to me for my birthday. A funeral in 2 days. Brute. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:33, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Cool, I love Monteverdi and that work of his! And it being a tribute to Brian is just a bonus. And the DYK is nice, too. Graham87 03:25, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- Different music: Every once in a while, I have a TFA, happy that it was also a tribute to Brian, in great collaboration, fine Main page, and see also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:49, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
2600:8805:9200::/40 block
Hiya! Back in February, you put a three-year rangeblock on 2600:8805:9200::/40 for "disruptive editing". It's hard to consider unblock requests with an opaque description for such a long block -- have we discarded the policy where IP blocks were limited to a year? (Might have when I wasn't paying attention). Is this a WP:DENY sorta thing? --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 02:02, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Jpgordon: See the conversation at User talk:2600:8805:9200:888:5880:A5D9:5831:A930. There seems to be a large number of unblock requests coming from that range all of a sudden, for some reason, seemingly with different writing styles (though the life in prison comment seems like it could be from the person I was targetting). Perhaps there is too much collateral damage from the range, though as I said before, if it is unblocked, it would require daily monitoring for a while. Pinging Debresser from the previous discussion. Graham87 02:50, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, Graham87, for the ping. As I said at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Judaism/Archive_37#IPv6_user_needs_careful_review, edits of inferior quality or simply unnecessary rephrases were made, alongside some more helpful edits, from 11 IPv6 addresses during a short period of time. These showed up on my radar as almost all were Judaism-related. These edits were not vandalism, and I might agree that they probably originated from more than one editor. Perhaps some dormitory with yeshiva students, my guess. I wouldn't necessarily oppose unblocking, but would like to know more on how we could monitor their edits effectively. Debresser (talk) 08:43, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks. Now, have we discarded that policy, or at least that preferred practice, of limiting IP blocks to a year? --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 13:49, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Jpgordon: FWIW I for one had never heard of such a policy/practice ... but 2 and 3 years are now in the dropdown box and don't cause weird display issues when they're used anymore, so I guess that's tacit encouragement, at least. Graham87 14:31, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks. Now, have we discarded that policy, or at least that preferred practice, of limiting IP blocks to a year? --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 13:49, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, Graham87, for the ping. As I said at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Judaism/Archive_37#IPv6_user_needs_careful_review, edits of inferior quality or simply unnecessary rephrases were made, alongside some more helpful edits, from 11 IPv6 addresses during a short period of time. These showed up on my radar as almost all were Judaism-related. These edits were not vandalism, and I might agree that they probably originated from more than one editor. Perhaps some dormitory with yeshiva students, my guess. I wouldn't necessarily oppose unblocking, but would like to know more on how we could monitor their edits effectively. Debresser (talk) 08:43, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
archives
Thanks for fixing! I think I do something wrong more often than not when setting up archives. I'm getting ready to decide I'm just not competent to do it without asking someone to check my work —valereee (talk) 16:05, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- Does this look right? —valereee (talk) 16:23, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Valereee: Nope. Once again, you managed to copy and paste/transclude the full content of the page into the archiveprefix field, rather than just the page name, which would have caused problems with the archiving. I notice that you've used ClueBot III. Lowercase Sigmabot III is easier to use and more forgiving (if you make a mistake it just won't archive, whereas ClueBot III will cause more problems). The only problem with lowercase sigmabot III is that it relies on the presence of properly formatted signatures to figure out which sections to archive, but that isn't as much of a problem these days. I generally find it easiest to copy the code from a page where I've already set up archiving, such as Talk:King Arthur, and adjust the counter and page name accordingly. I've done so at Talk:Karen (pejorative). There are also preloaded examples at Help:Archiving a talk page#Automated archiving. Graham87 03:17, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- Gah! Help:archiving is where I copied from. Thanks, I'll take it to Help Desk. —valereee (talk) 11:04, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Valereee: Wait a sec, are you actually writing {{subst:FULLPAGENAME}} or, in the case of the last page, something like {{subst:talk:Karen (pejorative)}}? It seems like you're doing the latter, which would explain why your archives get messed up. {{FULLPAGENAME}} is an example of a Magic word on Wikipedia. Also, I'll be doing a bit of "stalking" on your archiving edits, so you might see me edit random pages that you keep an eye on. Graham87 11:30, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, that's exactly what I did -- copied from Help:archiving, changed subst:FULLPAGENAME to subst:Talk:Karen (pejorative), saved. So basically I need to understand some other bit of technical stuff in order to understand the instructions for setting up archiving? Honestly, that doesn't seem very user-friendly lol. If it's easier to just copy from a page that's correctly archiving and change the page name and counter, should we just be giving that copyable code at the help page? —valereee (talk) 11:55, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, and please feel free to stalk! I'm always grateful when someone is willing to check my work! :D —valereee (talk) 12:00, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Valereee: All you needed to do was not change "subst:FULLPAGENAME", and the archives would have turned out perfect; see Wikipedia:Substitution to find out what subst actually does. I'm not sure how to best communicate that on the help page;
- @Valereee: Wait a sec, are you actually writing {{subst:FULLPAGENAME}} or, in the case of the last page, something like {{subst:talk:Karen (pejorative)}}? It seems like you're doing the latter, which would explain why your archives get messed up. {{FULLPAGENAME}} is an example of a Magic word on Wikipedia. Also, I'll be doing a bit of "stalking" on your archiving edits, so you might see me edit random pages that you keep an eye on. Graham87 11:30, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- Gah! Help:archiving is where I copied from. Thanks, I'll take it to Help Desk. —valereee (talk) 11:04, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
It doesn't feel right to say "copy this exact text" because modifications might be needed, but only to certain parts of the archive templates. I don't want to seem like I'm calling you out by adding a warning saying "don't change the fullpagename bit!" "If you feel like having a go at the text yourself, feel free. Graham87 12:18, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, you can feel free to call me out if that helps! I have just about enough technical competence to follow exact instructions, and if I see the words fullpagename, I'm assuming it wants me to put the page name there. I have read wp:subst multiple times and I have no idea what it's trying to tell me about how subst: works or how to use it correctly. There's just too much jargon. I mean, this is the first line: Substitution is a function whereby, when an editor saves a page, an item in the wikicode is permanently replaced with its current value. A "function whereby"? An "item in the wikicode"? It's "current value"? What does that even mean? I literally don't have any idea what the very first LINE means. The help page looks to me like it's designed to tell programmers how subst works and how to create templates using subst, not how to teach editors how to use it.
- What I need is a TLDR statement for dummies like me: When you see subst:, that doesn't mean you should substitute one thing for another! It means the template is going to substitute one thing for another for you. Just copy the whole damn thing and insert it where it belongs. Or whatever the truth is. —valereee (talk) 12:35, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, I made a tweak at Help:Archiving a talk page#Automated archiving. You may wish to check my work for accuracy. :D —valereee (talk) 13:03, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Valereee: Oh dear, it seems we got into a couple of edit conflicts ... I added some text, but your changes (which removed mine) are probably better ... I've made further tweaks to them. The problem with the Wikipedia substitution page is that it's extremely generalised because what subst can do depends on what you're trying to use it on. To pick a basic example, let's say I create a page called User:Graham87/chocolate with the text "I like chocolate" (which I've actually done because why not?) When you view User:Graham87/chocolate2, what you actually see is two bullet points containing the text "I like chocolate" twice,but when you edit the page, you'll see {{User:Graham87/chocolate}} on the first line and "I like chocolate" on the second. I created the second line by typing {{subst:User:Graham87/chocolate}}, and when I saved the page, the software converted it to the text on User:Graham87/chocolate, "I like chocolate". Feel free to play with my new pages if you want (or ignore them if you think I've already gone insane enough, which I'd understand). The thing I did on the first line of User:Graham87/chocolate2 is called transclusion; on the second line I did substitution. The crazier aspects of substitution on Wikipedia exist to make it run more smoothly and are only interesting for people actually writing templates. Graham87 13:28, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, just noticed your message at Help talk:Substitution. Graham87 13:35, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- Whoops, sorry about the EC, I didn't notice that happening, I was toggling back and forth between vis ed and source for several minutes! I'll definitely go look at the chocolate tutorial, thanks! —valereee (talk) 13:45, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, so subst grabs something -- in the case of the archiving instructions, by use of a magic word, the page name of whatever page it's inserted into, and in the case of your chocolate tutorial, the entire contents of a page -- and drops a copy of that something wherever the subst template is inserted, and then disappears, which means you can't tell from the page history that it was ever inserted there? So that explains why when I replaced it with the talk page name, I inserted the entire contents of that talk page, but it wasn't obvious how I'd managed to do that because the actual code that would have showed the mistake was gone. And transclusion is doing the same thing, but the template doesn't disappear, which is how it updates whenever something's added to the page it's transcluded from, which subst doesn't do. —valereee (talk) 16:16, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Valereee: Yes, exactly. The only thing I would add to that explanation is something I forgot to mention last night (my time): in some templates that are designed to be substituted (e.g. user warning templates), an HTML comment is placed at the end of a template that shows the name of the template that was used. For example, the source code at User talk:FactualFacts123, where I placed a warning template, has an HTML comment at the end referring to the template I used, {{uw-unsourced1 }}. If you forget to substitute a template that should be substed, AnomieBOT will do it for you. Graham87 04:03, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, interesting, so sometimes we do leave something behind. Huh, and there's actually recent discussion at Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace (I got redirected there from that template's talk) about adding a hidden comment to all templates.
- Thank you so much for your time and patience. I've been trying to figure out subst: for years and had pretty much decided I was just going to have to accept that I wasn't going to get there. :) —valereee (talk) 11:28, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Valereee: Yes, exactly. The only thing I would add to that explanation is something I forgot to mention last night (my time): in some templates that are designed to be substituted (e.g. user warning templates), an HTML comment is placed at the end of a template that shows the name of the template that was used. For example, the source code at User talk:FactualFacts123, where I placed a warning template, has an HTML comment at the end referring to the template I used, {{uw-unsourced1 }}. If you forget to substitute a template that should be substed, AnomieBOT will do it for you. Graham87 04:03, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, so subst grabs something -- in the case of the archiving instructions, by use of a magic word, the page name of whatever page it's inserted into, and in the case of your chocolate tutorial, the entire contents of a page -- and drops a copy of that something wherever the subst template is inserted, and then disappears, which means you can't tell from the page history that it was ever inserted there? So that explains why when I replaced it with the talk page name, I inserted the entire contents of that talk page, but it wasn't obvious how I'd managed to do that because the actual code that would have showed the mistake was gone. And transclusion is doing the same thing, but the template doesn't disappear, which is how it updates whenever something's added to the page it's transcluded from, which subst doesn't do. —valereee (talk) 16:16, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Valereee: Oh dear, it seems we got into a couple of edit conflicts ... I added some text, but your changes (which removed mine) are probably better ... I've made further tweaks to them. The problem with the Wikipedia substitution page is that it's extremely generalised because what subst can do depends on what you're trying to use it on. To pick a basic example, let's say I create a page called User:Graham87/chocolate with the text "I like chocolate" (which I've actually done because why not?) When you view User:Graham87/chocolate2, what you actually see is two bullet points containing the text "I like chocolate" twice,but when you edit the page, you'll see {{User:Graham87/chocolate}} on the first line and "I like chocolate" on the second. I created the second line by typing {{subst:User:Graham87/chocolate}}, and when I saved the page, the software converted it to the text on User:Graham87/chocolate, "I like chocolate". Feel free to play with my new pages if you want (or ignore them if you think I've already gone insane enough, which I'd understand). The thing I did on the first line of User:Graham87/chocolate2 is called transclusion; on the second line I did substitution. The crazier aspects of substitution on Wikipedia exist to make it run more smoothly and are only interesting for people actually writing templates. Graham87 13:28, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, I made a tweak at Help:Archiving a talk page#Automated archiving. You may wish to check my work for accuracy. :D —valereee (talk) 13:03, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
A barnstar
The Original Barnstar | ||
For your willingness to go the extra mile unasked! —valereee (talk) 11:47, 6 September 2020 (UTC) |
- @Valereee: Awwww thanks very much! It's been a pleasure. Graham87 11:52, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Valereee: Hope you don't mind this rename ... I like checking edit count stats and noticed that user page in the top-edited pages, so I just *had* to move it to attach it to the right username. I don't know if you also have that account, but the new title of that page makes more sense to me. Graham87 12:06, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
- lol I hadn't noticed! No, that's not an account I recognize. Feel free to clean up all the various messes I've undoubtedly littered the project with. :) —valereee (talk) 12:32, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Valereee: Hope you don't mind this rename ... I like checking edit count stats and noticed that user page in the top-edited pages, so I just *had* to move it to attach it to the right username. I don't know if you also have that account, but the new title of that page makes more sense to me. Graham87 12:06, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
your block of user: 115.66.152.211
Might need a user page bock too. Clearly still the same user as in July. Meters (talk) 22:43, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Meters: Oh yes, done. Ta for letting me know. Graham87 02:51, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
thx for reverting my change, now i understand what was meant there in the first place
Thank you ;) I've misinterpreted the baritone guitar tuning. The page said it can be "a perfect fifth lower [than a standard guitar]", which is for sure correct. What I was reading though was that this tuning (A1–D2–G2–C3–E3–A3) is in fifths (like violin), which is of course not (it is still fourths). I was reading it wrong, thank you for the fix! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kvbik (talk • contribs) 19:08, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Mentioned at ANI
Njor22344668 (talk · contribs) has made certain claims regarding your block of Waweruboy (talk · contribs) in this ANI section. Johnuniq (talk) 10:51, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Johnuniq: Ta for letting me know ... I blocked them. Graham87 11:07, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
- How long you think it will be before some do-gooder denounces me (as here) for "making fun of a blind person"? [3] EEng 17:32, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- @EEng: Oh dear ... it could happen ... Graham87 02:20, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Deprecated source notice
Wanted to thank you for giving me the deprecated source information about Daily Mail. I've seen it as a source so many, many times in WP articles, so I didn't realize that was what the notice by the automated system was for; I assumed it was something that had already been in the Mick Hucknall article when I found it. Too bad the automated notice didn't indicated which source was the one it was alerting about. Moreover, I'll keep an eye out for instances of when Daily Mail is still in articles. Should all of them be excised? I don't have hardly any experience with deprecated sources, and I can read up about it on my own as well.--SidP (talk) 16:59, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- @SidP: No worries. Yes these deprecated sources are slowly being excised from articles and replaced with citation needed tags where necessary; I know David Gerard has done a lot of work in this area. Graham87 02:25, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Gamera/Daniel back (I think)
Here's the profile I suspect of being Gamera/Daniel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/OHSRW They edit the same pages (e.g. Cintra Bay, Wildlife of China, various mammal lists) Gamera/Daniel liked to edit. Looks as though his English has improved somewhat. Do you think it's him? ST1849 (talk) 19:50, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, they also say they are from Japan. I've seen Daniel's facebook page. He is indeed from Japan. ST1849 (talk) 19:51, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Long block
Hi. Did you mean to make this block indefinite? The block is of Special:Contributions/2600:8807:4D00:35D0:0:0:0:0/64 I saw it showing up in a special listing of long IP blocks. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 14:44, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
- @EdJohnston: Ooooops ... nope, I meant to make the block a year; sometimes the blocking form is a bit weird with my screen reader. Thanks for the heads-up. Graham87 14:47, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Geoffrey Gurrumul Yunupingu
Thanks for cleaning that up; I don't think the addition in question was me? [4] Perhaps I missed something... Vanamonde (Talk) 15:24, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Vanamonde93: No worries ... the diff which I was referring to (which I should've linked using special:diff) was this one. Graham87 15:29, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
- Ah gotcha. I suspect I was going off the source information, rather than the record itself; mea culpa. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:39, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
George Enescu International Competition
I've a request. Please move George Enescu International Piano Competition to George Enescu International Competition. It is not only a piano competition. See: Talk:George Enescu International Piano Competition Grimes2 (talk) 13:57, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- I replied at its talk page. Graham87 14:34, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Reaching out about Wikipedia 20th birthday profiles
Hi Graham! I am reaching out on behalf of the Communications Department at the Wikimedia Foundation. As you may know, next year (January 15) is Wikipedia’s 20th birthday, and we are planning now for the celebration. One thing we would like to do is share the stories of volunteer contributors — including you — on our website (wikimediafoundation.org) and on social media. If you are interested in being highlighted, please email me: asvitak at wikimedia dot org. We’re hoping to confirm participation as soon as possible. Thank you! ASvitak (WMF) (talk) 22:35, 30 September 2020 (UTC)