Harvardyalecornell

WP:ACCESS and Vancouver-Point Grey

You should acquaint yourself with WP:ACCESS; reducing rowspan/minimizing its use is not about "potential for confusion" visually... it's about how a screenreader might parse it, or, rather, fail to parse it, since in different columns the rowspans overlap unevenly in the version of Vancouver-Point Grey you keep pushing. Also, you keep reintroducing the same link and wikicode errors while you're edit warring. Finally, how it's done in other pages is not a reason to blindly ape that format elsewhere. Lots of people overuse rowspan confusingly throughout Wikipedia—it doesn't mean when someone fixes that, people get to say "well it's broken in all these other places too so we're keeping it that way." —Joeyconnick (talk) 05:34, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

I read the WP:ACCESS document, and there is no mention of rowspans. Just because you may unjustifiably find the rowspans confusing does not warrant its removal--its widespread use in other pages is evidence of its more mainstream relevance. Discrepancies between the columns make sense, considering that members can serve for multiple terms. That is clearly understandable from the current version of the table. Reducing the rowspan is an unnessariy oversimplification that makes the table more crowded and ironically harder to read and correlate. Thinking about the purpose of each column of the graph, people would look to the partisanly coloured column to identify how long each party has held the seat, which is much more visually clear with the usage of a rowspan. This approach also equally maintains the reader's ability, if they wish, to identify each member's partisan affiliation. The purposes of the partisan colouring in the table is therefore enhanced by rowspan. Crowding a table with unnecessary text and repetition reduces accessibility and makes for a less effective table. I'm not sure which link I included by editing a table, but my apologies if that is the case. It's not broken, it's a widely used approach for a reason; it makes more sense, and makes a better more understandable table. –Harvardyalecornell

Please stop misunderstanding what I'm saying: I don't find it confusing... it's hard for screenreaders to parse. Rowspan is fine... but overuse is a problem, especially when you have one column where "Gordon Campbell" is spanning the 36th through part of the 39th Assembly, but "Liberal" spans the 36th to the entire 39th, the span of the 39th doesn't "line up" with any of the other spans. Anyway, apparently you have declared yourself the authority. Good luck with that approach here. —Joeyconnick (talk) 06:16, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

um.. "hard to parse" means confusing/hard to understand in this context. That makes sense, because if readers are trying to figure out how long Campbell served, his rowspan is appropriate. If they are trying to figure out how long the Liberals held the seat, a different rowspan is also appropriate. These rowspans do not make it difficult to see that Campbell was a Liberal either, so I really don't see where the confusion to arise from this graph could be at all. Regardless of whether you use the current approach or the tabular approach that was here previously, there would be confusion over why the 39th parliament is a longer rowspan, or why it appears twice, respectively. The solution to this is reading the rest of the page and observing there was a by-election. This is therefore moot.

I provided a discussion point, and so be it if you want to respond passive aggressively. Good luck with that approach here.

– Harvardyalecornell

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