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Minor edits

All your edits have been marked as "Minor". These are not minor edits. Minor edits are simple spelling corrections or inserting missing full-stops. Anything more complex that than, and adding any words is not a minor edit. I note also that your edit summaries are lacking in any useful information - "additional information" is of little value to anyone, especially as most (all?) of the information provided is wholly unsourced. May I suggest that you change your user name, change your editing habits by using proper edit summaries and avoiding minor edits and by providing reliable and independent references to the text that you add. Thank you.  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   09:26, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, I organise this festival as Honorary Secretary of the Flora Day Association and all information I have added is factual and correct, this page is not relevant and the information is outdated an incorrect. I would appreciate you reinstated the changes I have made, as the original information does not reflect our ancient custom which we hold very dear. Many Thanks Helston Flora Day (talk) 09:38, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

I would be happy to reinstate many of the changes that you have made when you can confirm that you have carefully read and understood WP:COI and I can see the relevant declarations on your user page. You will also need to find wholly independednt and reliable sources to support the text that you wish to be added. This may be from a reputable newspaper or from an approriate academic source - it doesn't have to be on-line. Regretably oral history is not acceptable on Wikipedia as a source. Regards  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   09:40, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, there are not any academic sources or historical newspaper articles to call on, as the Flora Day Association, we are the leading and independent authority on the custom and have been for over 100 years. I have read the WP:COIand will change the name of my account to reflect a more independent user Helston Flora Day (talk) 09:48, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Without independent sources, your only recourse is to post on the article talk page (such as Talk:Furry_Dance) your suggested changes and additions and leave it to others to decide whether to add the material or not. My guess is that much of it will be found to be acceptable as it is generally non-contentious. Even after a name change you still need to post a COI declaration on your user page as you will still have a conflict of interest in this topic. FYI phrases such as "....and add another link to the history of this magnificent spectacle" or "It is little wonder they are so highly praised for their contribution to this unique day." will not be acceptable under any circumstances as they are opinions (see WP:NPOV). Please also be aware that I am editing from New Zealand in the middle of a storm and towards the end of the evening and I will probably only resume editing tomorrow (your day after tomorrow) if we still have power, a dry floor and the internet. Regards  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   10:00, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

If you follow this approach you should definitely give sources, even if they don't meet strict standards for reliability and independence. For example the Helston Flora Day Official Guide [1], while not a great source, is better than nothing. You should also find as many independent sources as you can: for example [2] and [3] might be usable. But the key thing to remember is that Wikipedia is about Verifiability not about Truth. Regards, Jonathan A Jones (talk) 10:44, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

User page

I have also had to remove the text from your user page as it was a direct copy from http://www.helstonfloraday.org.uk/. Now I do understand that you both control this website and undoubtedly wrote the text yourself, but on Wikipedia everything on the web is assumed to be copyright until explicitly released into the public domain with a licence compatible with Wikipedia's own licence. This probably seems arbitary and petty but Wikipedia does take copyright violation very seriously. The easisest answer would be to simply licece your web-site content with the same licence as Wikipedia - but that would also allow the photographs to be used freely. I will leave the issue with you. Regards  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   22:32, 20 February 2018 (UTC)