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AlimNaz

Could you check whether User:Mirwais Hotak is related to this person? This 'new' user has just over 180 edits (and first edited in July 28 - magically, a week after you blocked AlimNaz), seems to be editing similiar Pashtun-related topics, has a similiar command of the English language, and most convincingly - seems to have a well know-how of Wikipedia. Sort of odd for a new user. Mar4d (talk) 04:38, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Aah, don't worry about it. Its apparently been solved before I even expressed my concern here. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/V7-sport. I conclude that my doubts were genuine. Mar4d (talk) 10:47, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Ok, if there's any more trouble, let me know or file a new SPI. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 01:38, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

69.237.119.134

Hey Hersfold, can you please CU about the above IP with blocked user Catherine Huebscher (talk · contribs)? I have a gut feeling that both are same seeing the name-calling and removal of positive criticism from the article W.E (film). — Legolas ^(talk2me) 17:35, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

No. The checkuser policy does not allow us to connect IP addresses to accounts. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 01:37, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Inactive admins bot

Hi there. You mentioned on BOTREQ (here) that you will program a bot that takes care of "menial" tasks related to the inactive admins policy. Xeno created a page to keep track of such tasks at Wikipedia:Inactive admins and I suggested a table-style version of that page like this. Do you think the bot could fill in and update a table like that? Regards SoWhy 18:12, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Xeno suggested at User_talk:Xeno#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators to have a template create the table code and the bot to update the template's values instead which should be easier, shouldn't it? Do you think that would work? Regards SoWhy 19:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Aye, that's very easy for a bot to manage. Table code is fine too, but templates make it easier for a human editor to understand. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:51, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Good luck coding the thing ;-) Regards SoWhy 16:21, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Because I was wiki-walkin'

I happened across User:Hersfold/Recall/05 8 2008. You may want to remove the User:Bar link, as Bar actually became a legitimate registered user sometime after you created the page. Cheers! Pi.1415926535 (talk) 03:34, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm not too concerned about it, it's just a sample. Thanks though. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:25, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

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File:Dell diamond 4DM.jpg

Appropriate licensing was submitted with the image and is on the image page comments section. Please see comments re the license at User talk:Austex Thank you. Austex • Talk 19:19, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

I have no idea what you're referring to; if this is in response to a message left by HersfoldOTRSBot, please note that I am not an OTRS volunteer and therefore not the person you need to get in touch with about this. Please see the instructions my bot left about how to proceed. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:01, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Ublock request for IPadWanderer now raised at AN/I

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Unblock_request_for_IPadWanderer. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:44, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

User:Taro-Gabunia socks

You blocked an underlying IP for User:Taro-Gabunia a couple of months ago (link), but new socks keep coming up, including TClapton (talk · contribs) today and an IP a few weeks ago (see User:SandyGeorgia/sandbox#Real Madrid). Would you mind checking whether a broader rangeblock is in order? Thanks, Ucucha (talk) 14:27, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

 Done, that should hold him. :-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:04, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again! Ucucha (talk) 02:10, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

ACC SUL link

SUL seems to be working again, I just happened across it, don't know if it's actually fixed. I just wanted to poke ya and see if you can get the SUL link on the tool pointing back to that application. Cheers Mlpearc powwow 19:19, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

I've been trying to poke the developers about that for a while. I can't change it myself. Try asking DeltaQuad or Stwalkerster. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 01:59, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

No problem Mlpearc powwow 02:03, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Checkuser

Hi Hersfold. Hope you're well. If possible, and when you have time, could you have a look at [1]? This is very suspicious. -FASTILY ^(TALK) 03:49, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't see a primary account on the IP that account is using. I'll email ArbCom about this, they may want to take a look given the subject matter. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:55, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Great, thank you :) Cheers, FASTILY ^(TALK) 09:29, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Rangeblock

You have 24.84.48.59 blocked- may I ask why? I know of no one who would have accessed Wiki on my network; this IP number was recently assigned to me. I'd be curious to know what activity you believe was of concern. Galuple2 (talk) 15:33, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Your network range has recently been abused by someone who is not here to contribute. While rangeblocks of this nature are a last resort, sometimes they are applied to maintain the security of our site. You should be able to edit while logged in, as it seems you have here. Sorry for the inconvenience. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:52, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm interested in how broadly you're applying these blocks. When you say "Network Range" what does that mean? You've blocked 24.84.x.x? Do you know what that range is? 24.84.x.x is the network address range of the cable internet provider in this city of two million. Individual addresses under that range are assigned dynamically to any of some tens of thousands of users. Isn't blocking at that level a bit like blocking an entire area code? Galuple2 (talk) 16:38, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately in some cases this is true; when placing these blocks, we do make an effort to make note of and limit the amount of collateral damage that will result. Unfortunately in some cases the abuse is so serious we must block these heavily-used ranges as well. When that happens, we do make the blocks "anonymous only", which allows logged in editors to contribute as you are, or when even that is not possible we offer good-faith users the ability to request an exemption to the block. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 23:50, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

FYI

I made a comment at the talk page at Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Cirt_and_Jayen466/Proposed_decision#Please_reconsider_desysop_remedy. Any chance we can hold off on closing the case for a little while? — Cirt (talk) 13:14, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to have to say no; a number of arbitrators have commented on your appeal and indicated that they do not intend to change their votes. Sorry, Cirt. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 23:58, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Talk?

Is Cirt allowed to discuss on talk pages for articles related to new religious movements? I'm thinking, similar to WP:COI. There are going to be times when I will value Cirt's input and expertise. If the answer is no, I'll just keep such discussion on Cirt's and my talk page. (Reply here, please.) --Lexein (talk) 01:53, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Interpreted literally, I believe talk pages are permissible (both restrictions say "any edits to articles"); however I am not sure if that is how these bans are enforced in practice. I'll double check and get back to you. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:07, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay; my interpretation is correct; Cirt may still comment on talk pages, but care should be taken to avoid concerns of proxy editing. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:20, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Duly noted! --Lexein (talk) 04:13, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Please Reconsider Deletion of Courageous Persuaders

Courageous Persuaders is a nonprofit competition designed to fight the tragic toll underage drinking takes on our teenagers. We are an 11-year-old program wherein high school kids compete for scholarships making TV commercials to warn middle school kids about the dangers of underage drinking. Participating in the creative process has proven to change their hearts and minds and make them more sensitive to the potential dangers. Over 100,000 students have participated to date.

We do not understand your allegation that we have "Blatant copyright infringement," as we are meticulous about trademarks and copyrights. Anything copied is copied from our own website, which has a succinct history of our competition that seemed appropriate for Wikipedia.

Please reconsider. You provide a valuable information resource for students interested in the program. By restoring our entry you could help save lives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.112.59.138 (talk • contribs)

I assume that the content on your website is copyrighted. While this is your own website, we still cannot accept content copied directly from your site absent some sort of confirmation that we are permitted to show it, verified through our OTRS system. This is for our protection and yours - without verification through this system, we have no way of knowing that you are who you say you are.

Aside from copyright concerns, there are other issues associated with copying content from a website. Articles on Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view. By copying content from your website, you are posting content that is inherently favorable towards your program. Articles must also provide multiple reliable third-party sources in order to demonstrate the notability of the subject. Your own website cannot provide such verification.

I am unable to restore the article due to the copyright concerns, however if you do intend to create a new version of this article, the above concerns much be addressed as well. I would suggest going through the articles for creation process, as they can help you resolve these concerns before the article is actually posted. Please also ensure that only one person has access to your account at any time - accounts may only be used by one person, and must not be used by an organization, as this is called a "role account." If you have any other questions, please let me know. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:59, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

If you are, or represent, the owner of text that you wish to license for use on Wikipedia, please see Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries for details of how to do this.

Even if you choose to do that, there are other factors that will affect whether it is appropriate for there to be an article about the organization on Wikipedia. In particular, whether you can demonstrate in the article that the organization has received significant coverage in reliable independent sources, and therefore meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:40, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

I concur with, and encourage following, Demiurge1000's suggestions. OTRS is your best approach, and it's not difficult, following the directions. But adding reliable inndependent sources supporting your organization's existence and activities is equally important. --Lexein (talk) 21:27, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Cirt and Jayen466 close

HI Hersford. Note: [2]. Paul August ☎ 19:00, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

I'd marked those as abstentions because you hadn't voted on them, which is by default an abstention. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:22, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	You did a great job during the Cirt and Jayen466 ArbCom case. Indeed, though I would have preferred an alternative outcome, you applied it appropriately and functioned admirably in your other duties throughout. Thank you for your continued service to the project. — Cirt (talk) 03:44, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Sorry I had to flip the switch, but hopefully in time it can be flipped back again. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:57, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

New comments below this section

Subject: Courageous Persuaders http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courageous_Persuaders

I need you to explain to me why you would want Courageous Persuaders page removed? This is non-profit organization that is raising the awareness of teens and drunk driving through schools nationwide. Rather than asking for this page to be deleted, considering this is a non-profit without appropriate Wiki knowledge...how about helping to fix the writings and support the efforts of this organization? What is it that you want them or YOURSELF to do to make sure this page is not removed? What do we do to make sure that we keep the awareness about this organization in Wikipedia? How do YOU want to HELP to insure that our kids are not driving drunk? Your assistance in this matter is REQUIRED, considering you started this. Really appreciate having folks like you out there attacking these types of organization without properly researching what it is that you are trying to eliminate. Your actions in this matter will determine if I summon teachers from around the country that are involved in this program to come to your TALK page and submit their individual comments. Get with the program.

Melihoztalay (talk) 16:53, 11 September 2011 (UTC) Melih Oztalay, Concerned Parent

Please see my comments in the section above. The deletion is nothing personal against your organization; it is based on our policies. If you take steps to ensure that these policies are met, the article will be fine. I would strongly discourage you from undertaking such disruptive actions as you are threatening; this will not help get the article back at all, and will only result in further administrative action against yourself and these other people. There is a constructive way to approach this and a disruptive one; I highly recommend the former, which I explain in the section above. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:56, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

ACC

Just a poke if you have some time the tool is backlogged. Mlpearc powwow 17:00, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

I did one, but it took a lot longer than I expected; I need to run some errands, but I'll try to be back later. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:24, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

No problem thanx. Mlpearc powwow 03:34, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

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A cupcake for you!

Thanks for the lifted ban; I've since decided to just scrap Vidalia as it won't let the exit policies I want stick anyway. :) W n C? 14:18, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

And a question: Am I allowed to remove the unblock template from my page, now that it's lifted? I'd rather not have the IP published, although it's not a "personal" one. Just don't know how long I'll have it. :) W n C? 14:24, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you're free to remove that now. You're welcome. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:11, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Great, thanks. Decided to just change the IP to localhost in IPv6 notation instead, I did make a boo-boo and have no problem with showing that, just as long as the IP is somewhat hidden. Of course it's still in the history, and I left a pointer here, to be safe I don't break any policy. W n C? 07:39, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Any thoughts?

I am planning to start WikiProject Chelsea F.C. Any thoughts? Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 16:49, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Go for it. I don't watch as much football these days as I'd like, but sounds like a good idea for a project. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:12, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Only one thought, which is that it would be a waste of time; the scope is too narrow. Malleus Fatuorum 03:07, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

It'd be fairly small, but I think still large enough to merit a Project. There's the club's article itself, the article on Stamford Bridge, articles on the club's history and seasons, possibly articles on major tournaments they've played in and especially won, important people related to the team including players, managers, etc., Carefree (chant) and other major songs, major rivalries, and so on. I'm sure that there would be at least a hundred articles that could easily fit under this heading. While that's not a large Wikiproject, no, it's still enough to merit some dedicated interest and organization, I'd think. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 14:30, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

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Blocked proxy

Back on 8 July you blocked 46.60.252.64/26, giving the reason as "{{blocked proxy}}: <!-- used abusively -->". At User talk:Muzer there is the following message: "I am unable to edit Wikipedia when at school (IP = 46.60.252.69), even when logged in like I am now. I get an error about it being an open proxy - but I'm pretty sure my school's system isn't configured as an open proxy (if it was, I'm sure it'd be abused a lot). We do HAVE a proxy server, yes, that can be accessed by most schools in the area, but not by the general public as far as I know. I'd appreciate it if you could verify this." It looks to me very much as though this is correct. I can find no evidence that this proxy is an open one. The IP range has been responsible for a considerable amount of vandalism, and so keeping it blocked is justified, but it seems to me that the block should be for anon-only editing. I have referred this to Wikipedia:WikiProject on open proxies/Unblock, but I thought it best to consult you too, in case you know anything relevant. After well over two months I will not be surprised if you don't remember anything about it, but if you do it may be helpful. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:22, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

The range was used by a serial sockpuppeteer and a few other vandalism accounts, but activity hasn't been terribly high of late. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:31, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't suppose it would be if no one can edit from it. I've unblocked the range. Feel free to checkuserblock or schoolblock it or whatever, but the open proxy label is just confusing, and a two year hardblock probably not necessary. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 13:56, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

I haven't checked this particular school, but it wouldn't be surprising if a school's website was so badly set up that it could be used as an open proxy. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 14:09, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

I can see no evidence for that, and nor can zzuuzz. There is no doubt at all that a block is justified, and Hersfold's answer above contains nothing at all related to proxies. We can't base blocks on speculation as to what "wouldn't be surprising". JamesBWatson (talk) 12:51, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

If the range continues to be a problem, it can always be reblocked. I'll keep an eye on it, but there's no reason to go reblocking it just now. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:14, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

DC-area Meetup, Saturday, October 8

National Archives Backstage Pass - Who should come? You should. Really.
	You are invited to the National Archives in College Park for a special backstage pass and scanathon meetup with Archivist of the United States David Ferriero, on Saturday, October 8. Go behind the scenes and into the stacks at the National Archives, help digitize documents, and edit together! Free catered lunch provided! Dominic·t 16:13, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I'm not in the area any more, but thanks. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:14, 1 October 2011 (UTC)