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Thank you for your useful contributions. Just on thing; you added a self-made map here [1], but the westernmost extent which you added for the Mauryan empire is way, way too far. Though Seleucos Nicator ceded "Gedrosia" to them, there is no extant proof that Mauryan "rule" ever expanded further west than Afghan/Pakistani Balochistan. Could you adjust this whenever you have time? Bests and thanks once again for your edits - LouisAragon (talk) 15:20, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Did it History of Persia (talk) 16:52, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Ghaznavid map

[2] Yeah, I know that the Ghaznavids ruled a bit more land in the west, but this is one the most accurate one for now. When I return home in a few days I will make it more accurate. --HistoryofIran (talk) 05:07, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

OK thank you. You also said in the file description that you would add the vassal of the Ghaznavids so I hope you get the chance to finish that History of Persia (talk) 14:04, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

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Campaigns of Darius I was an interesting read (you learn something new every day) and I thank you for contributing it. However, there are a few problems. First, large swaths of text are unattributed, and that is contrary to normal Wikipedia policy. I see you are using the {{sfn}} template -- nice -- so, if one of the previous references you have used, say {{sfn|Del Testa|2001|p=47}}, would serve as a citation for the unattributed text, all you need to do is copy that same reference to wherever the text you want to attribute is, like you were already doing, and the rest will be taken care of. Finally, in order for {{sfn}} to work, you have to put the full text of the references somewhere. That would look something like this.

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I have reverted your addition of a flag to Parthian Empire again because not only does it not have a citation, you followed up with an edit that had the edit summary "Added reference for flag" but did not add anything at all. Ogress _smash! 02:09, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

instead of looking at the revision history you should have looked at the article itself. there was a link. i just forgot to say that i did in my initial edit, so i added a space and then in the edit summary wrote that i included a link.

It is not my responsibility to "just look at the article" and magically understand your flag is cited. Ogress _smash! 02:22, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Her sorry, I assumed you would look at the article see that there was a link and go about your other edits. My bad sorry. History of Persia (talk) 02:53, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

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Provinces of the Achaemenid Empire

Hey! Keep up the great article creations! :) We were lacking some of those heavily :) Btw, on the Provinces of the Achaemenid Empire you added a map with all the districts drawn stuff. I believe it has some errors regarding several of them, mainly Armenia, Media as well as the name of Skudra which is listed as Thrace. Yes, Skudra encompassed Thrace (and perhaps even Macedon, but that hasn't been confirmed yet by scholars) but I believe, in order to have a great name, Thrace should be changed to Skudra. There are some other minor issues regarding other provinces too I think on the map, but those three were the ones that catched my eyes firstly. Nonetheless, good work overall! :) - LouisAragon (talk) 00:10, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks you for noticing when I didn't. I will change the name of Thrace to Skudra. I'm not sure about the issue of Media and Armenia, but I will do a bit digging on that. Thanks again History of Persia (talk) 00:26, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

History of Persia, hey! Another thing, Aria (satrapy), Arachosia (satrapy) and Drangiania (satrapy) didn't have any territory within the modern-day borders of Iran, so that needs to be adjusted too. Ok, great to know you'll check and fix the other provinces too. Armenia for sure had more territory to the South (small parts of northwestern Iran for example). In general the map needs really some fixes, but thus great to know you'll fix it. :) Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 18:24, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, if there's anything else I missed please tell me, I wanna make sure I'm as accurate as possible. I was not able to edit the map yesterday because I did not have my laptop but I'll see if I can fix the map today

UPDATE: i just uploaded the new map, i hope it is accurate, and if there are any problems let me know, thanks :) History of Persia (talk) 00:16, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

History of Persia, hey, just checked it. That's already an improvement (!) but still needs work on it really. Here's a good reference for how large the Armenia satrapy was. [3]. As you can see, it includes some part of northwestern Iran, some part of southern Georgia (very little, as opposed to your current map :P), all of modern-day Armenia, and a part of modern-day Eastern Turkey. Let me know if you managed to fix it, I'll search for the precise territories of the other satrapies in the meantime :) Btw, are you sure that the Arachosia satrapy right now doesn't include anything in modern-day Iran? Just checking. Bests

PS: About the Assyria/Athura satrapy. Here's the precise territory. "It mostly incorporated the original Assyrian kingdom, corresponding with modern northern Iraq in the upper Tigris, the middle and upper Euphrates, modern-day north eastern Syria (Eber-Nari) and part of south-east Anatolia (modern Turkey).[6][7]"

PS.2: And about the satrapy of Media; "Under Persian rule, the country was divided into two satrapies: the south, with Ecbatana and Rhagae (Rey near modern Tehran), Media proper, or Greater Media, as it is often called, formed in Darius I the Great's organization the eleventh satrapy,[7] together with the Paricanians and Orthocorybantians; the north, the district of Matiane, together with the mountainous districts of the Zagros and Assyria proper (east of the Tigris) was united with the Alarodians and Saspirians in eastern Armenia, and formed the eighteenth satrapy.[8]

Also, good work with adding Northern Azerbaijan and Southern Dagestan to Media (taken from the respective article; "Albania was incorporated in the Achaemenid empire and were under the command of the satrapy of Media[24][48] in the later period.") - LouisAragon (talk) 20:43, 13 July 2015

Thanks. I'll fix the other things but the map you sent me is inacurate because it shows the Seleucid Empire as a neighbor of the Armenian Kingdom meaning the map is of Armenia @ 300bc not 500 BC. Hopefully we'll find a better map. And That description of the assyrian satrapy you gave me, is probably a description of the satrapy during the rule of cyrus or cambyses (pre darius), since the satrapy of assyria split into assyria and eber nari after darius came to power. Ill do more digging. I also found out about the samaritan province after looking at the map on the yehud medinata article |(so i added that) History of Persia (talk) 22:02, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Aight, good job. Btw, Media was only split later into two parts. I think we should just leave it at one "big" Media as it confuses people. And there's no separate article about lesser media. If people want to know more about the stuff behind it they can click on the Media article. My bad, shouldn't have linked you that in order to add it. Yes, other boundaries need to be fixed as well. What I'm entirely sure about is that none of the satrapies e.g Drangiana, Arachosia, etc had even an inch of soil in what is now contemporary Iran. I see you adjusted the Armenia borders as well. Seems fine for now. I think it should roughly encompass that territory most Armenians insist on for most matters "aka historical Armenia" prior to the Genocide, aka a territory comprising swaths of Eastern Anatolia, all of modern-day Armenia, parts of northwestern Iran, and very small parts of southern Georgia. Bests for now mate, will let you def know if I found anything new and reliable regarding the satrapy territories. - LouisAragon (talk) 00:01, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

great ill get to doing that. I think it would be better to keep te two medias seperate for accuracy. Maybe someone will make an article about lesser media soon. As for drangania and arachosia and etc, my map doesnt show that they have territory in modern iran. Modern iran's borders are smaller that what your thinking (sadly after years of massive empires and conquests, weve ultimately been confined to a small plateau. Being a geography freak, i use geographic features to help me recognize borders. I have a clear idea in my head of world borders. but maybe ill push those satrapies back a little. I used this as a source of my map: http://sitemaker.umich.edu/mladjov/files/achaemenid_satrapies.jpg.

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I am sorry if I seemed rude earlier; I am afraid I deal with a lot of rude people all day on Wikipedia and I misunderstood your edit. When you reverted my edit here - that's both of your edits together - I did not see that during the reversion, you added a cite. I saw only that in your second edit, you added no cite but claimed you did. I'm afraid I did not look closer to confirm what I was seeing; I didn't mean to be rude. My first discovery of your flag was using a routine anti-vandalism check and there is a long, long history of Iranian history articles having made-up flags added to them by a vandal.

My reason for reporting you the second time is because you really must not break the WP:3RR - even when it's vandalism, you can get blocked. Just go to the talk page. You didn't wait very long for a response... for me, if no one replies in a week for most edits, then I proceed in clear conscience. Three hours is nothing. I was away from my computer, and I had replied. And if there's some kind of urgency, like a biography of a living person (WP:BLP) has false information, you can go to Administrators. There are many boards here that can help you. A flag isn't life or death, so just work on a different page if there's not a quick response. Usually, though, you'll get people to reply.

So anyway, I hope you won't think everyone is rude. And again, I apologise if I was harsh or rude. I had an off moment. Ogress _smash! 03:33, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

It is me who should apologize, I broke the rules and was impacient. Sorry. I'll wait and see what happens. Thing I usually don't remember things so after a week I'll probably forget about the talk page. And seen the notifier doesn't tell me when people revert my edits, I try to stick on one subject for a few hours. During this time I try resolve any disagreements and make in the end, do the case. So with the Parthian flag, I wanted the issue resolved quicker so I could then go edit something else, and thought adding the right evidence was good enough. So sorry for that.

(Also if I made any typos I'm sorry about that. I usually edit wikipedia on the go with my phone and only use the laptop when I get home. (OMG THAT RHYMS LOL) And because of a recent potatoe cutting incident, I can no longer use my left thumb to type, without feeling excruciating pain, so that makes my typing worse) :p

Thank you and sorry History of Persia (talk) 03:53, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

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You need to delete this map you created [4]. We've had a talk about it some time ago with several moderators before as well as on ANI, and it's 100% WP:OR violating. That Artin Mehraban, who's now indeffed, spammed a similar map there as well :P The specific guy was just a warlord that managed to defeat some people and armies in the surroundings, but he never ever had anything close to an empire or geographical entity. I'm jus leaving it here as I hope you can do it asap yourself :) thanks a lot. - LouisAragon (talk)

Sorry about that, didnt mean any trouble. I was just making a map based off of what the article said. Could you tell me how to delete an image cause I don't know how :(

I just read the image deletion article and it says only administration can do that so nevermind

Yo no problem man! You know how I think about your edits :) You couldn't have known this I believe, as he got indefinitely blocked just before you came here. Ehm, it's gonna be kinda hard as I right now can't access the PC and find that page where you have to list it, but you'd be best off as you want to delete it asap to just ask it here. If you open a question section there, asking that you want this map you recently uploaded to be deleted (mentioning that it's plain wrong/WP:OR violating) they'll fix/help you very fast with it. They're all volunteers there, but are very knowledgable and helpful. ;) - LouisAragon (talk) 03:41, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Btw, History of Persia, I found this for you, though you might have already seen it before. For your satrapies map. :)[5]. PS, did you ask them already to help you delete the article? - LouisAragon (talk) 07:15, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll try get the image deleted ASAP (though im uncomfortable at the teahouse). I dont have my glasses with me now so I'll read the Iranica article tommorrow and fix the map. I'm really glad you think nicely of my edits, I'm sure you've already been told this but your edits are very VERY helpfull too. BTW i found an article: List of kings by amount of territory conquered, and if you open it, you'll see it obviously needs ALOT of expansion. I would really like your help with that. also, see if HistoryofIran would be ok to make some maps for the article (since he seems to be an expert at map making).

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This map of yours needs to be adjusted

Hey,

This map needs to be adjusted as it contains several errors/fallacies. First, Nader only kept the territories to the west of the Indus River after he left India. This was still many years before the dissolution and his death. So, the Eastern borders need to be adjusted according that on the map. Second, the Khanate of Kalat only held a small territory in what is modern-day Pakistani Balochistan, so that needs to be adjusted as well.

Thanks in advance mate. - LouisAragon (talk) 23:34, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. the article says it was a princely state of the mughals, up to the 1800's. princely states arent fully independant, and so it should just be added to mughal territory. I want readers to be able to know that Nader used to have hindustan, before giving it independance,so i will keep the eastern border for now. But i will make mention of that of the article History of Persia (talk) 00:30, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Ok I guess that's fine too. What i meant more about the Kalat Khanate was that it didn't include any territory of modern-day Iranian Balochistan, and nor did the Durrani take any of that area. Iranian Balochistan has been under Iranian rule steadily since the Safavid era. If you can fix that on the map, removing Durrani's territory from Iranian Balochistan, then it should be virtually complete. - LouisAragon (talk) 02:33, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

I just checked the map, seems it's fixed already :) Thanks! - LouisAragon (talk) 02:41, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

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Sorry, was just desperate to fill up a stub article.

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Where

did this[6] come from please? Thanks. Doug Weller (talk) 09:20, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

In the article: Xerxes I it says: "In 465 BC, Xerxes was murdered by Artabanus" . though there is no citation, so maybe that sentnece should be removed and replaced with " in 465 xerxes died and was succeeded by his son artaxerxes"

Thanks, but I meant all of the added text. Is it all from Artaxerxes III? Just copying from one article to another with no link is a copyright violation. Doug Weller (talk) 17:35, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Sorry i didnt notice. So what can i do about the copyright? should i provide attribution? History of Persia (talk) 17:43, 30 August 2015 (UTC) I did a similar thing to the Afsharid Epire article when i added text from the Nader shah article.

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I read the Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia and it said in order to attribute text copied from within wikipedia, you have to add this:

*Copied content from Nader Shah article; see that article's history for attribution

I used nader shah article as an example btw, though i think thats clear

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You biased westerner, fine but i'll be back, with references you biased pains will have no choice but to acceptHistory of Persia (talk) 01:20, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

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Ha, so you westerners are doing exactly what you did to iran: Sanction them. I'll back off for now, i'll go by your policies but you cant be so biased. You may as well just write out in caps lock WEST IS THE BEST, GO TEAM! Oh how the spread of knowledge is isolated by nationalists and copyright. Oh why am i bound by these laws meant to make greece seem all the greater, and Persia all the worse. Why do historians support such absurdness? because they themselves care only of greece and rome, ignoring all other cultures and nations despite the immense and heavily decorated city of Persepolis. Why hath they been so merciless? History of Persia (talk) 01:33, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Yadava

Please can you explain how you have derived this flag from the Catalan Atlas. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 16:08, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Note. I've removed it pending verification. --regentspark (comment) 16:11, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Here:http://prettyawfulthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/catalan-atlas-middle-east.jpg

I looked it at but the flag seems to have the word Mogul next to it. Must be missing something but where does it say Yadava? --regentspark (comment) 16:23, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

I can't spot it. - Sitush (talk) 16:35, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

in the centre of india. Its in the centre of India. History of Persia (talk) 21:08, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

If u see it please let me know so that i can add the image back. It seems to be the only source

I can see the symbol but I cannot see anything that says it relates to the Yadava. - Sitush (talk) 21:14, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Of course not, but look at this map too: http://www.worldhistorymaps.info/images/East-Hem_1300ad.jpg . Yadava is in the same place where that flag appears. to the north and to the west is the delhi sultanate (and its flag in the catalan atlas). There is a small space seperating the yadava's and the delhi sultanate so that could be the cara-maras that are shown in here: http://www.worldhistorymaps.info/images/East-Hem_1300ad.jpg . plus there is writing, but it;s in catalan. maybe it does say yadava. but the location of that flag and the location of yadava match up. btw both maps are from the 1300's

Copyvio and spam issues

I have removed this image you added to a couple of articles, since it is almost surely a copyvio as a clear derivative of this image, of poor artistic and encyclopedic quality, and since better images are available. Please don't spam your work on wikipedia. Abecedare (talk) 16:26, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

well i wasnt trying to spam, but ok. i'll make a non copyvio version later.but low quality is your opinion. do yourself a favor and relax. Wikipedia would prosper from images like these. it's unfair for articles about Hoplites to have tons of images and for that to have no images. I'll add something with good quality thats not a copyvio. History of Persia (talk) 21:20, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

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Siege of Kapisa

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Copying within Wikipedia

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Etymology

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Egyptian names of Achaemenid rulers

Hello. I have to inform you that many of the Egyptian names you put in several Achaemenid rulers does not actually exist. As pointed out by Von Beckerath (1999), Handbuch der Agyptischer Koenigsnamen, pp. 221 and 231, the Egyptian names for Bardiya/Smerdis, Xerxes II, Sogdianus, Dareios II, Artaxerxes II, III and IV, are (still) unattested. I do not know how do you wrote the Egyptian names of Bardiya and Sogdianus, but copying the Egyptian name of Artaxerxes I into the later Artaxerxes' (as well as Dareios I -> II ans Xerxes I -> II) is basically original research. --Khruner (talk) 07:54, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

But if some kings have the same name in persian, then the translations of the name should be the same. Imagine in Bob translates his name into arabic, it becomes باب . So if bob then has a grandson named bob II then bob II's name in Arabic is the same as bob I's name: باب . I think that's how it works for egyptian but I don't know.History of Persia (talk) 12:16, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

In Egyptian hieroglyphs is a bit different; the birth name I used in Darius I's article is only one among 8 known variants, all written with different signs but meaning the same word (Darius). Curiously, for Darius III only one hieroglyphic variant is known, and it's different from all the variants used for Darius I. Another example are the two pharaoh Nepherites I and Nepherites II. We know that their birth name were the same from other sources, but only for the former we know the hieroglyphic rendering while for the latter it is still undiscovered, thus no one could properly give the latter a hieroglyphic name (yet). Khruner (talk) 17:08, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh OK. I think I understand. I was thinking egyptian hieroglyphs worked the same way as other languages but that's obviously not true.

History of Persia (talk) 19:55, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

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Satrapies of the Achaemenid Empire map

Hey, how are you doing? ;-)

I told I'd def try to take a look if I could help you more with that Achaemenid divisions map you made some time ago. I might have found something. I found another already existing map on Wiki that perhaps is worth taking a look at in order to improve it. Or, maybe, saving all the effort you can instead change your map with this one on all those articles/templates? I mean its fine with me, its quite an authority too as its made by a historian, so. Think about it :) Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 00:54, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

It seems nice but the borders of the empire itself are inaccurate, with arabia Petraea and the massagetae somehow independant. The borders of the satrapies seem to be almost the same with my map except for a few changes. I'll definately do a bit of original research in order to prefect the map. But right now it's late night in Canada so I'll do it tomorrow. History of Persia (talk) 01:01, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Aight. Yeah, I guess using it as a reference works as well. Def the eastern satrapies need some work mostly I think. Some are included within the modern-day borders of Iran even though they do not have such extent. Bets and good night. - LouisAragon (talk) 01:18, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks and have and have a great weekend :)

Hey, so you'll fix the satrapies map right? It's pretty important namely. If you don't think you have the time nor will, let me know and I'll readd the old map whenever. Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 18:46, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

really sorry m8, ill get it done

History of Persia, just be honest if you think you don't want to make the effort or don't have the time to finish it, that's all. :-) Btw, I notice youre often busy with editing maps and stuff, perhaps you could do a great addition on the Achaemenid maps? You see, all of them are almost completely correct, just I noticed that virtually none of those maximum extent maps include the Kingdom of Macedon! It should be added asap. The maps that lack it atm are [7], [8], [9] (actually this one needs a widening of Egypt too, but THATS all, nothing else).

If you could do that, apart fixing that Achaemenid satrapies map, that would be great! Let me know if you can fix this too, or not. - LouisAragon (talk) 02:49, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Ok I'll do those maps. I really wanna finish the satrapies map but it only have a limited amount of time each day to finish. Plus my dad doesn't like me being on Wikipedia too much. Plus tomorrow is thanksgiving and I may not have any free time. But I'll see what I can do. I also have quite a big to do list. I'm trying to make a map of cyrus the great and Timur's military campaigns and travels. So I'll try get it all done.

Happy thanksgiving m8

History of Persia (talk) 13:09, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Hey, History of Persia, thanks for updating the satrapies map. It's an improvement but were not there yet. You made a few mistakes though, f.e, I see. I Gedrosia, which roughly equals Pakistani and Afghan Balochistan. I also see no Carmania, which roughly comprises modern-day southeastern Iran. Also, Gandhara is absolutely not located in southeastern Iran! Also, Media bordered Persia more than just that fringe territory which it comprises atm. Te ones within the territory of modern-day Iran should be shown are; Armenia, Elam, Persia, Hyrcania, Media (lesser media is drawn correctly I believe), Parthia.

Do you think you'll have time to update those Achaemenid maps I linked above as well to include Macedon? If not, I can ask others, no worries :-)

- LouisAragon (talk) 23:34, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

oh yeah i can do it now sweat. History of Persia (talk) 23:38, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks dude! Oh yeah I forgot the Sagartians, who lived under the Parthians, and were also solely present in the territory of modern-Iran. Also, when I mean that the Persia and Media satrapy "touched" more I hope I manages to bring across what I mean. :) - LouisAragon (talk) 23:49, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Found some good stuff.

On Colchis, aka western Georgia/Abkhazia;

2.2.3. Minor Satrapy Colchis. This unit owed its short-lived existence to the successes that Darius I achieved east of the Black Sea during his Scythian campaign. Herodotus is witness that Darius I reached the Oarus and built castles there (Hdt., 4.124; see above 2.2). Since this river emptied into Lake Maeotis/Sea of Azov (Hdt., 4.123), it is to be identified with the Sal (Hdt., tr. Horneffer, p. 694, n. 120). From the Sal the border must have extended to the mouth of the Don, along the eastern coast of the Sea of Azov and the Black Sea down to the Caucasus. It is not known how far it stretched to the east or where the border ran.

On the greater Cappadocia satrapy;

{{blockquote|3.2. Main Satrapy Katpatuka/Cappadocia. This was in the beginning presumably governed by a local dynasty (Diod., 31.19 = Phot., Bibl. 382; cf. Nagel, 1982, par. 17 and pp. 111-12), yet the existence of the satrap Artabates (Xen., Cyr. 8.6.7), mentioned at the time of Cyrus the Great, cannot be verified. For the time of Darius I a certain Ariaramnes (see ARIYĀRAMNA, in EIr. II, p. 411) is named as satrap of Cappadocia (Ctes. apud Phot., par. 16). In late Achaemenid times a satrap named Mithrobouzanes held office there (Arr., An. 1.16.3; Diod., 17.21.3).

There is no information about the structure of the administrative hierarchy until the time of Datames (for his career: Jacobs, 1994, pp. 141-42), who was initially governor of the Minor Satrapy Cappadocia-beside-the-Taurus, also called Cilicia (Nepos, Datames [14.]1.1-2; for the localization of this northern Cilicia, see Ruge, “Kilikia,” col. 385; Casabonne, 2001; cf. Hdt., 5.49; 5.52). Later Datames was promoted to be Main Satrap of Cappadocia (Diod., 15.91.2; Front., Strat. 2.7.9). From the central Minor Satrapy Cappadocia-beside-the-Pontus his responsibility extended to Cappadocia-beside-the-Taurus, as is demonstrated by his intervention against Aspis of Cataonia (Nepos, Datames [14.]4.1), and to Paphlagonia, as is shown by his operation against the Paphlagonian king Thuys (Nepos, Datames [14.]2. 2-5; cf. Nöldeke, p. 293) and his minting of coins at Sinope (Moysey, p. 25, pls. 5, 61; Alram, p.110, no. 344).

3.2.1. Central Minor Satrapy Katpatuka/Cappadocia-beside-the-Pontus. This satrapy had western and southern borders that were formed by the bend of the Halys (Hdt., 1.92), within which the Leucosyrians lived (Nepos, Datames [14.]1.1-2; cf. Hdt., 1.72, 1.76). The Halys separated Cappadocia-beside-the-Pontus from Cappadocia-beside-the-Taurus, Greater Phrygia, and Paphlagonia (Hdt., 1.76; Strab., 12.1.3, 12.3.2, 12.3.9, 12.3.12; cf. Ruge, “Paphlagonia,” cols. 2489-90). The eastern border touched the sea immediately west of Cotyora (Jacobs, 1994, p. 143). The course of the frontier with (West) Armenia cannot be determined precisely.

3.2.2. Minor Satrapy Cappadocia-beside-the-Taurus. This bordered in the north on Cappadocia-beside-the-Pontus (see above 3.2.1), while the eastern frontier was formed by the Euphrates (Hdt., 1.49). The western border with Greater Phrygia and the southern with Syria are only vaguely definable; only in the southwest do references to the Taurus, and especially the Cilician, Gates (see below par. 4.2.3) provide more precise indications about the border with Cilicia.

Also, just checked once again; the Elam satrapy was in fact called Susiana, after it's main city and capital Susa.

ok I'll do it! Thanks for letting me know. Didnt i add carmania? and im sure i put gedrosia where it's suppose to be. I'll fix it later. it's ma bed time. I also added the macedonian territory to the maps you asked though alot more maps need that edit. Anyway see you later and have a happy thanksgiving :) History of Persia (talk) 00:08, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

holy crap! i mixed gedrosia and carmania with gandara and chorasmia. better fix that, yeah i know those two places exist. im also pretty sure karmania led to kerman but thats just a theory. lemme fix that History of Persia (talk) 00:10, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

No probs! Yeah you mixed those two up my accident, no probs haha. Aight man, thanks already for your efforts, and thanks for wishin me a good thanksgiving, only thing is we don't celebrate it here in Europe. I will wish you a wholehearted happy thanksgiving though! Gn! - LouisAragon (talk) 00:13, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Yeah i guessed you guys didnt celebrate it there but im pretty sure youve still heard of it. anyway yeah have a good one. History of Persia (talk) 00:18, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Alright i think i did it. added the province of colchis, the border between media and persia is much larger, province of cappadocia's (aka cappadoca near pontus but we dont need to stretch it out that much) southern border is the halys river, elam is suisiana. i think i got everything. anything else. i dunno, late a look see if it's alright. hope so, its been like this for months. thanks for letting me know of innacuracies like that :) take care m8 History of Persia (talk) 00:33, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Hey, History of Persia, yeah thanks for the additions! Wanted to let you know a few things regarding your latest few edits;

Your edit on this map was incorrect. You added territories on all sides of the empire without any sourcing. They simply did not control such amount of territory on the sides. The ONLY addition that is legit to be added, is Macedon, which has been removed now as it was added alongside other territories, and must be re-added.

Also, this version of the map contains a fallacy on the eastern and northeastern borders that needs to be removed. The Eastern and northeastern border must show exactly like on this version. The Achaemenids never ventured past the Indus River, and never fully subdued those far-off Central Asian regions which you added. Please remind that. For the rest its alright as far as I can see.

So could you fix these things? ;)

Really man you need to watch it with those unsourced edits. Sure, people wont make a big deal out of it the first dozen of times, but after that, they wont be that easy on you/whatever person you are. ;)

Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 01:32, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Nah I'm sure they conquered land past the indus, and though cyrus didn't conquer the massagetae and amyrgians, darius sure did. He even included these 2 on the "list of satrapies" in the Behistun Inscription. I think my problem is I just need to add sources/references/citations etc. Don't worry I'll do it tomorrow. (That what they all say).

History of Persia (talk) 01:59, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Nope, they never expanded beyond the Indus. It's trivial stuff and what you're claiming is pseudo-historical. Here;

"The new satrapy, which received the name Hindus, extended from the centre to the lower part of the Indus Valley, in present-day Pakistan. It was the most eastern province of the Achaemenid Empire. (...) Strabo (XV 1.10) as well writes before Alexander's Indian campaign that the Indus River marked the eastern-most border of the Persian Empire""

- M. A. Dandamaev. "A Political History of the Achaemenid Empire" p 147. BRILL, 1989 ISBN 978-9004091726

"the Persian Empire would reach its largest territorial extent, with the borders reaching Thrace in the west and the Indus River [valley] in the east. (...)"

- Jeremy Black, Stephen Morillo, Paul Lococo. "War In World History: Society, Technology, and War from Ancient Times to the Present, Volume 1" p 20 ISBN 978-0070525849

As well as a completely sourced map from the University of Texas regarding the maximum extent of the Achaemenid Empire.

Seriously if we gotta discuss such trivial stuff mate.....Anyway, I'm just asking, if you could pleas fix the eastern border and add Macedon to those maps, that's all. You can leave the northeastern (Central Asian) border if you please for now, (though you need eventually referencing for it) but the eastern (Indus river) and western border (Macedon) really need to be correctly fixed on both maps. The eastern border is correctly drawn on the second example, so you can add that to the first map easily.

Goodnight man - LouisAragon (talk) 02:20, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

After fixing that, please stop editing maps on Wikimedia. Its been really too many times that we had to revert your unsourced hoax additions. You're really hoax'ing and making too many pseudo-historical edits. I really appreciate some of your edits, but if I have to revert you again for historical hoaxing (as you did numerous times on Wikipedia articles and Wikimedia maps), I will have to report you. It's really tiresome, and its not the first time someone tells you this. We don't want you to get blocked, so please cease these activities. - LouisAragon (talk) 00:46, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Ok. Though if I do find references I believe it cant be considered a hoax right.History of Persia (talk) 12:35, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

FYI

Your addition to Mahmud I should be written from the perspective of Mahmud I not Nader Shah. And bring sources to support your additions. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:05, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Karnal

Thanks for contributing the image. It makes a great addition to the others. I plan on expanding the article dramatically so the extra image is going to augment that perfectly. Thanks. Parsa1993 (talk) 05:48, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Good to hear that really does need expansion. Hope you get that finished.

Happy thanksgiving

History of Persia (talk) 13:10, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Apranik

I have deleted this as a copy vio. Too many sentences taken directly from the sources and the structure and formal show too close a paraphrase. I notice quite a few messages on your page about attributation as well as this vio. You should be aware that the one thing that will get you kicked off this project is being casual about these issues. Please be very careful to use sources as sources and not take text directly as well as attrubuting properly. Spartaz ^Humbug! 08:42, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

You have been prompted

…regarding serious perceived plagiarism (use of the intellectual material of others, without attribution) at the Wars of Cyrus article. Before reverting or getting angry, respond to the discussion invitation form Drmies and Dweller, and engage us here, [10]. Thank you. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk)

• History, I wish you would realize how much work you are making for others with those careless edits. Drmies (talk) 15:24, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Indefinite block following continuing copyright violations

Hello, History of Persia.

I have just discovered that you created the article Tomb of Darius II yesterday with unattributed content copied from Naqsh-e Rustam. You have been told repeatedly above that this constitutes a copyright problem and told repeatedly above how to copy content without such problems, but you have persisted. I have, accordingly, indefinitely blocked your account. This block is necessary to stop you from continuing to violate copyright policy. Cleanup of your previous copyright violations here is ongoing, as with the recently detected issues at Wars of Cyrus the Great.

Please be sure you are familiar with copyright policy and willing to comply. I suggest a careful review of Wikipedia:Copy-paste and Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia if you wish to continue to edit. Your unblock request is more likely to be viewed favorably if you indicate an understanding of the problem and your willingness to help fix the errors you have - in spite of earlier notices - continued to introduce. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 03:09, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

As I am continuing to clean up after your copyright issues, I see that you did at least attempt to add attribution here, although no attribution was supplied for the copy-paste into Tomb of Darius II. While I appreciate your earlier effort, unfortunately, you did not follow the directions. You must provide attribution in your edit summary. This is not optional; the edit summary is mandatory, as it creates the "History" of the document, which provides a complete attribution list. You should also make a note on the talk page, as WP:CWW explains. I have repaired this problem, but this is the kind of work that must be done by someone to repair these issues, both on articles where you did and articles where you did not identify the source of your copying. Alternatively, that content is going to have to be removed. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:48, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

My copyright issues were only recent and i've been given little time to redeem myself, but im not going to beg for mercy, screw you m8. I'll wait.

I'm not sure what you're waiting for. Your block is indefinite - that is, it will be permanent unless there is some reason to unblock you. You should be aware that if you create another account to edit while blocked or if you edit from an IP, those edits may be subject to reversion by anyone for any reason. Block evasion is not a good approach for someone who wants their content to be accepted. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:15, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

And telling someone to screw themselves even while they're cleaning up your mess is certainly not the way to go. Drmies (talk) 17:45, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Sock puppeting

A block applies to a person, not to an account. The page and the redirect you created with your sock account have been deleted. As I explained to you above, block evasion is not a good approach for someone who wants their content to be accepted. It may be removed at any time that your sock puppetry is detected, immediately or later. If you wish to resume editing, you should focus on demonstrating an understanding of the policies that you violated (now to include WP:SOCK) to avoid wasting your time. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:12, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Oh, it seems you were already sockpuppeting, an account of User:Artin Mehraban, who was blocked for copyright violations and hoaxes. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:22, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

quite a scandal isn't it? It seems you were the first to put any effort into stopping this sockpuppetry. Since no one noticed my sockpuppetry under user: History of Persia i just assumed you had no access to my ip, but it seems you administraters acctually do. thats ok, i'll just have to put a bit more efoort. dont worry i have no intention to vandalize, i just like to play by my own rules. I have already created another very active account. good luck finding it :)

History of Persia (talk) 18:49, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

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I really really want to edit on Wikipedia. I know I've made a lot of copyright violations and I'm sorry. I'll never do it again I swear. Is there any way I can prove to you that if I am allowed back on Wikipedia, I won't make copyright violations again. Most of my edits were helpful to wikipedia and articles on Persian history are really weak and need expanding. Please please please give me a second chance, I won't make copyright violations again. I really don't have any evil intent for vandalizing or anything. Please give me a second chance, I won't copyvio again I promiseArtin Mehraban (talk) 15:27, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

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In view both of admitted sockpuppetry and the statement above that you intend to continue evading your block. --Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 21:39, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

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Is there some kind of community service I can do? Like reverting obvious vandalism? Anything pleaseArtin Mehraban (talk) 17:26, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

No. --Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 21:40, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

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