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Is Bravoceratops really a nomen dubium

Because only one paper says that it was a nomen dubium, but the original paper stated the characters. I found there was a saying on DeviantArt saying that Brontomerus is also not a nomen dubium although the nomen dubium status of Brontomerus was said in a 2012 study. I wonder whether if it was gibberish or not…

Sadly the artist of that skeletal reconstruction of Brontomerus saying it's not a nomen dubium is no longer active

Bravoceratops was declared dubious very recently so it will take time for other authors to reject or accept it being invalid. Brontomerus was called invalid by D'Emic in 2012 but the namers replied on a blog about how it was hastily declared dubious and likely isn't, and other authors like Mannion haven't supported it being dubious, so currently it is not. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 16:38, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

so is it more reasonably to not formally consider Bravoceratops a nomen dubium? Huinculsaurus (talk) 17:45, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi, it depends entirely on whether the interpretation on how the single known bone of Bravoceratops is to be positioned. If the new interpretation is correct, it is dubious, as there is nothing unique about it. That of course would require some more evaluation, so we can see if others agree. That is as formal as we can get with these things, a scientific consensus. It might be best to bring such issues up on article talk pages, so they can be seen by more people. FunkMonk (talk) 20:27, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

The argument for the new orientation is very solid - it seems very unlikely to me it will be overturned. Lusotitan (Talk | Contributions) 00:50, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Also Bravoceratops link is removed from the page Chasmosaurinae, so can we change it back because it could not be formally dubious Huinculsaurus (talk) 20:46, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Even if it's dubious, it should still be linked, it is a valid name and should remain an article, because it's not a synonym of anything. FunkMonk (talk) 21:51, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Dubious taxa traditionally are not and should not be included in taxoboxes. We don't include Deinodon, Polyonax, Epanterias, Palaeoscincus, Diclonius, or Trachodon in their families taxoboxes since it doesn't make sense too, they aren't valid and so shouldn't be represented as if they constitute diversity. Ceratops and Agathaumas are included but they're exceptions and should be removed. Lusotitan (Talk | Contributions) 00:46, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

I typically include taxa regardless of dubiousness as long they are reliably referred to a clade. I don't see a point to ignoring taxa that can be confidently determined to be ceratopsids or hadrosaurids, or etc. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 01:18, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup 2020 July newsletter

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Echinodon

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Thanks! I've looked through and there's nothing but improvements. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 19:20, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I noticed you're working on this guy (coming to FAC?), and I just updated Heterodontosaurus based on the new paper that finds them to be basal pachycephalosaurs, you might want to take a look![1] FunkMonk (talk) 19:09, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

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Is Dynamoterror , Ostafrikasaurus and Bravoceratops now formally nomen dubium or not?

Unlucky this year, hoping not all authors seek them as dubious… — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huinculsaurus (talk • contribs) 16:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

And also is the synonymy of Sauroniops and Oxalaia within Carcharodontosaurus and Spinosaurus 100% sure? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huinculsaurus (talk • contribs) 15:14, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

So far nothing is certain, Oxaiala has not been defended, but it may considering the age and location gap. Ostafrikasaurus is teeth so unlikely to be revived, and Bravoceratops is likely to be either sunk or defended by the original authors, so the case for it is not closed. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 05:15, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I mean Dynamoterror, is it possibly dubious or 100%? it seems like Yun is not a proper paleontologist, so is it either I trust Yun or Mcdonald? also did McDonald reply on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huinculsaurus (talk • contribs) 07:01, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

As it stands Dynamoterror is still considered valid. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 19:37, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I hope other authors still regard it valid, and also some? questions on Pectinodon, is valid is it because its teeth are known both from HC and Lance formation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huinculsaurus (talk • contribs) 20:40, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

There hasn't been much discussion on Pectinodon or even the remainder of Troodon material beyond the 2016 paper. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 00:51, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

So is it still valid? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huinculsaurus (talk • contribs) 00:53, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I wonder if you read Yun (2020) about Dynamoterror? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huinculsaurus (talk • contribs) 15:40, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

like you said Dynamoterror is called invalid by Yun (2020) but it's still valid as it stands, so does Bravoceratops? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huinculsaurus (talk • contribs) 08:18, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Bravoceratops as it stands is invalid because its diagnostic traits were considered completely misinterpreted. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 16:49, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

LythronaxArgestes said: Yes, clearly it will take time. At best we can say it is possibly dubious until others agree, what's your opinion about this comment? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huinculsaurus (talk • contribs) 09:04, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

So is it still like it will take time for other authors to accept or reject this opinion? I hope not all authors will agree this and retain the autapomorphies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.210.144.39 (talk) 02:48, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

About Keilhauia

Delsett (2019): As stated in the original description of the the holotype of Keilhauia nui (Delsett et al. 2017), the preservation of the holotype specimen (PMO 222.655) is relatively poor and there is some uncertainty regarding its ontogenetic status. Zverkov and Prilepskaya (2019) consider it a nomen dubium, and it is removed from the phylogenetic analysis, “consid- ered undiagnostic”. This becomes highly problematic when the very same skeletal elements are used for referring the specimen to Arthropterygius (in open nomenclature), are used as support for four characters in the diagnosis for the genus, and also in the reconstrucion of the ontogenetic tra- jectory of Arthropterygius (Zverkov and Prilepskaya 2019).

The phylogenetic tree of Arthropterygius thalassonotus also mentioned K.nui, but not in the phylogenetic trees of Acuetzpalin. In fact the Acuetzpalin phylogenetic tree also placed Janusaurus and Palvennia into Arthropterygius, Delsett (2019) also referred a specimen as Keilhauia sp.

What do you think of its validity? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huinculsaurus (talk • contribs) 04:17, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't know enough about marine reptiles to say much beyond Zverkov gives a good point it could be based on multiple animals. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 04:23, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Some problems with Ankylosaurs

I saw the paper of the new Ankylosaur Sinankylosaurus but it's Chinese, they also mentioned Crichtonsaurus and Zhejiangosaurus, both are claimed dubious in 2015 so is it mean that not all authors agree Zhejiangosaurus being dubious so it's not like Brontomerus?

Also, Antarctopelta is called invalid by Arbour also but in a 2016 conference paper says it's a possibly valid Ankylosaur, so who to trust? (although the genus is also mentioned in the 2017 paper of Crichtonpelta)

Zhejiangosaurus and Crichtonsaurus are still invalid, the article doesn't put forwards any support for them being distinct it just uses them as comparisons. Antarctopelta is questionable. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 01:01, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

But the 2016 conference paper said that Antarctopelta is a possibly valid taxon and there is a paper of the histology of Antarctopelta in 2019, so it seems that not all authors supported it being dubious so it's likely not — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huinculsaurus (talk • contribs) 03:17, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

SO can you trust this? (it's a conference paper), The 2019 study of Antarctopelta is here. I don't have the access to get that paper so does it mean the authors retained the validity and disagree with Arbour or not?

So is it like I cannot decide who (Arbour, 2015 and Gasparini, 2016) to trust so the validity of Antarctopelta is neutral? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.210.144.39 (talk) 09:51, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

What do you think about Sinankylosaurus's validity in the future?

It's only an ilium, I wonder if it may be considered a nomen dubium or not...... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huinculsaurus (talk • contribs) 03:21, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

My opinion, which means nothing as far as anyone is concerned, is that it will be considered invalid soon. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 16:26, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

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About Quilmesaurus

This taxon is called invalid in 2007, but I found subsequent papers such as the Niebla paper phylogeny doesn't regard it being dubious so is it valid by your opinion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huinculsaurus (talk • contribs) 01:42, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

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Carr et al 2017

Can I draw a lipless Tyrannosaur based on Carr et al 2017? Or is that not allowed?--Bubblesorg (talk) 04:02, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

I would not recommend it, many others have argued against the conclusions of that paper regarding lips (which are drawn mainly from the interviews with Carr and not the paper itself). IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 19:51, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

I mean, Tracy ford did have good reasons for why theropods did not have lips. That latter point about the carr interview rather than the paper is kinda strange. I will go ahead with it and just say 2017 proposed oral integument for tyrannosaurids or something. I dont really see much evidence for lips either way.--Bubblesorg (talk) 14:48, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

WikiCup 2021 March newsletter

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About Haplocheirus

It's an Alvarezsauroid, but on the Hesperornithoides paper (2019) says that it's a Compsognathid. But however on the papers of the later Alvarezsaurs such as Nemegtonykus, Shishugounykus and Trierarchuncus all retain the Alvarezsauroid affinities of Haplocheirus.

So my opinion is that it's still an Alvarezsauroid NOT Compsognathid because of those later Alvarezsaur papers. Do you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huinculsaurus (talk • contribs) 02:44, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Frankly, our opinions on the matter don't amount to anything, as we cannot act upon these. It's placement as a basal alvaresaur has always been disputed by Mortimer, and the phylogenetic analysis of Choinere that first found that placement are less than ideal, so right now theres nothing too definitive about its placement. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 19:58, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

By my opinion, the current cconsensus is that is is an Alvarezsaur.

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Gravitholus and Hanssuesia

This says Gravitholus and Hanssuesia is sunk with Stegoceras. but it's just a conference paper. And in the Sphaerotholus ontogeny paper still considers Hanssuesia distinct but they did not mention Gravitholus. SO can we say that Hanssuesia and Gravitholus is not formally synonymous and they are still distinct?

Gravitholus has been suggested to be invalid by other papers like Evans ea 2013, but Hanssuesia hasn't outside the abstract so it is distinct by consensus for now. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 00:49, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2021 July newsletter

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Latenivenatrix and Nomingia

They have declared as synonyms, but I wonder if it's 100% or not? can we wait until what others say?

Where has Latenivenatrix been declared a synonym? FunkMonk (talk) 13:52, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

The newest paper of Alberta theropods, see it yourself. I cannot tell if the synonymy is 100%

Is it safe to say that Bravoceratops is still valid?

The Navajoceratops and Terminocavus says that Bravoceratops is invalid, but the papers of Beg and Menefeeceratops later do mention Bravoceratops' name. but Funkmonk says that the Beg Phylogenetic paper is already done before Bravoceratops is reinterpreted. What can you say about Bravoceratops after the Menefeeceratops paper mentions the name?

While the Menefeeceratops and Beg papers might not refer to Bravoceratops as invalid, neither attempted to reinterpret or evaluate the material. The opinions of the Navajoceratops/Terminocavus papers should take priority as they reinterpret the material and provide reasoning for their invalidation of the taxon. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 16:17, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

WikiCup 2021 September newsletter

The fourth round of the competition has finished with over 500 points being required to qualify for the final round. It was a hotly competitive round with two contestants, The Rambling Man and Epicgenius, each scoring over 3000 points, and six contestants scoring over 1000. All but one of the finalists achieved one or more FAs during the round, the exception being Bloom6132 who demonstrated that 61 "in the news" items produces an impressive number of points. Other contestants who made it to the final are Gog the Mild, Lee Vilenski, BennyOnTheLoose, Amakuru and Hog Farm. However, all their points are now swept away and everyone starts afresh in the final round.

Round 4 saw the achievement of 18 featured articles and 157 good articles. Bilorv scored for a 25-article good topic on Black Mirror but narrowly missed out on qualifying for the final round. There was enthusiasm for FARs, with 89 being performed, and there were 63 GARs and around 100 DYKs during the round. As we start round 5, we say goodbye to the eight competitors who didn't quite make it to the final round; thank you for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia, and we hope you will join us again next year. For other contestants, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them.

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WikiCup 2021 November newsletter

The WikiCup is over for another year and the finalists can relax! Our Champion this year is The Rambling Man (submissions), who amassed over 5000 points in the final round, achieving 8 featured articles and almost 500 reviews. It was a very competitive round; seven of the finalists achieved over 1000 points in the round (enough to win the 2019 contest), and three scored over 3000 (enough to win the 2020 event). Our 2021 finalists and their scores were:

1. The Rambling Man (submissions) with 5072 points
2. Lee Vilenski (submissions) with 3276 points
3. Amakuru (submissions) with 3197 points
4. Epicgenius (submissions) with 1611 points
5. Gog the Mild (submissions) with 1571 points
6. BennyOnTheLoose (submissions) with 1420 points
7. Hog Farm (submissions) with 1043 points
8. Bloom6132 (submissions) with 528 points

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• The Rambling Man (submissions) wins the featured article prize, for 8 FAs in round 5.
• Lee Vilenski (submissions) wins the featured list prize, for 3 FLs in round 5.
• Gog the Mild (submissions) wins the featured topic prize, for 13 articles in a featured topic in round 5.
• Epicgenius (submissions) wins the good article prize, for 63 GAs in round 4.
• The Rambling Man (submissions) wins the good topic prize, for 86 articles in good topics in round 5.
• The Rambling Man (submissions) wins the reviewer prize, for 68 FAC reviews and 213 GAN reviews, both in round 5.
• Epicgenius (submissions) wins the DYK prize, for 30 did you know articles in round 3 and 105 overall.
• Bloom6132 (submissions) wins the ITN prize, for 71 in the news articles in round 1 and 284 overall.

Congratulations to everyone who participated in this year's WikiCup, whether they made it to the final round or not, and particular congratulations to the newcomers to the WikiCup, some of whom did very well. Wikipedia has benefitted greatly from the quality creations, expansions and improvements made, and the numerous reviews performed. Thanks to all who have taken part and helped out with the competition, not forgetting User:Jarry1250, who runs the scoring bot.

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WP:RMT is generally not the right venue to close discussions like these. You or another participant should have initiated a WP:RM, WP:RFC, or normal WP:MERGE discussion and then posted a WP:CR. Anyways, not everyone can know every venue on Wikipedia, and it's a bit too late for either of them now. If that's ok for you, I will monitor the discussion and attempt to close in a week (depending on participation and recent activity), so we don't have to make this any more complicated and bureaucratic than it is. Colonestarrice (talk) 13:02, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Alright thanks. The discussion did start in a rather unfortunate manner, as the page was tagged with a merge proposal and then left for quite some time with the editor not starting a discussion. A week should be fine hopefully its dealt with before then. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 17:40, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

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Styracosaurus

Hello. Would you be able to update the Styracosaurus article with these papers [2][3] [4]? LittleJerry (talk) 18:38, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

I can see what I can do. They are already incorporated into the text in some capacity but I can probably rewrite much of their paragraphs in a clearer way. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 19:08, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

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Happy New Year and Happy New WikiCup! The 2022 competition has just begun and all article creators, expanders, improvers and reviewers are welcome to take part. Even if you are a novice editor you should be able to advance to at least the second round, improving your editing skills as you go. If you have already signed up, your submissions page can be found here. If you have not yet signed up, you can add your name here and the judges will set up your submissions page. Any questions on the rules or on anything else should be directed to one of the judges, or posted to the WikiCup talk page. Signups will close at the end of January, and the first round will end on 26 February; the 64 highest scorers at that time will move on to round 2. The judges for the WikiCup this year are: Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs · email) and Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs · email). Good luck! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:36, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

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I am getting a bit frustrated with Magnatyrannus guy, How to deal with his edit wars

I know it is strange for me to say this, but Magnatyrannus is getting a bit annoying and hard to work with. I do take pitty on him (I am one of the few wikipedians with soul unfortunately) but he needs to get his act together. I just wonder, how can we stop him from his edit warring.--Bubblesorg (talk) 02:22, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

I've considered looking at having a topic ban instated, but I may need more people to support something similar. Basically we have two options, a temporary block from all editing, or a topic ban on paleo (which is very similar in end result). It's been a while since I've had to look at administrative methods, perhaps FunkMonk or Lythronaxargestes would know more about what to do.

Actually, it looks like a noticeboard incident report has already been started: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Magnatyrannus IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 17:10, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

I dont really want him banned permanently as yet--Bubblesorg (talk) 04:25, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2022 March newsletter

And so ends the first round of the WikiCup. Last year anyone who scored more than zero points moved on to Round 2, but this was not the case this year, and a score of 13 or more was required to proceed. The top scorers in Round 1 were:

• Epicgenius, a finalist last year, who led the field with 1906 points, gained from 32 GAs and 19 DYKs, all on the topic of New York buildings.
• AryKun, new to the contest, was second with 1588 points, having achieved 2 FAs, 11 GAs and various other submissions, mostly on the subject of birds.
• Bloom6132, a WikiCup veteran, was in third place with 682 points, garnered from 51 In the news items and several DYKs.
• GhostRiver was close behind with 679 points, gained from achieving 12 GAs, mostly on ice hockey players, and 35 GARs.
• Kavyansh.Singh was in fifth place with 551 points, with an FA, a FL, and many reviews.
• SounderBruce was next with 454 points, gained from an FA and various other submissions, mostly on United States highways.
• Ktin, another WikiCup veteran, was in seventh place with 412 points, mostly gained from In the news items.

These contestants, like all the others who qualified for Round 2, now have to start scoring points again from scratch. Between them, contestants completed reviews of a large number of good articles as the contest ran concurrently with a GAN backlog drive. Well done all! To qualify for Round 3, contestants will need to finish Round 2 among the top thirty-two participants.

Remember that any content promoted after the end of Round 1 but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Anything that should have been claimed for in Round 1 is no longer eligible for points. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed.

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WikiCup 2022 March newsletter

And so ends the first round of the WikiCup. Last year anyone who scored more than zero points moved on to Round 2, but this was not the case this year, and a score of 13 or more was required to proceed. The top scorers in Round 1 were:

• Epicgenius, a finalist last year, who led the field with 1906 points, gained from 32 GAs and 19 DYKs, all on the topic of New York buildings.
• AryKun, new to the contest, was second with 1588 points, having achieved 2 FAs, 11 GAs and various other submissions, mostly on the subject of birds.
• Bloom6132, a WikiCup veteran, was in third place with 682 points, garnered from 51 In the news items and several DYKs.
• GhostRiver was close behind with 679 points, gained from achieving 12 GAs, mostly on ice hockey players, and 35 GARs.
• Kavyansh.Singh was in fifth place with 551 points, with an FA, a FL, and many reviews.
• SounderBruce was next with 454 points, gained from an FA and various other submissions, mostly on United States highways.
• Ktin, another WikiCup veteran, was in seventh place with 412 points, mostly gained from In the news items.

These contestants, like all the others who qualified for Round 2, now have to start scoring points again from scratch. Between them, contestants completed reviews of a large number of good articles as the contest ran concurrently with a GAN backlog drive. Well done all! To qualify for Round 3, contestants will need to finish Round 2 among the top thirty-two participants.

Remember that any content promoted after the end of Round 1 but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Anything that should have been claimed for in Round 1 is no longer eligible for points. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed.

Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Sturmvogel 66 (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk) MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:55, 3 March 2022 (UTC)