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Thanks for thanking

Thanks for thanking me for my fixes on the exoplanet lists, although that was very fast - it seemed like it was automated. Why don't the thanks messages show up on my talk page? SevenSpheresCelestia (talk) 20:37, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

SevenSpheresCelestia, not automated, I'm just a fast typist and only had to push one letter ("G") to thank you because I was using huggle. Perhaps I should turn off the feature; I'm seeing a potential to be spammy. I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 20:43, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Huggle

I accidently thanked a user for vandalism in huggle, but then quickly reverted their edits, how can I unthank them, or is that not possible? Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 21:02, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Thegooduser, I'm not sure unthanking someone is possible. You'd want to ask that elsewhere if you want to be certain. I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 22:29, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

How does reply link work for you? almost all of my user scripts have problems --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 03:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Thegooduser, it usually works but occasionally it'll throw an error message. When that happens, I have to copy and paste it, otherwise doing the talk page message the "normal" way. I'm supposed to report the error when it happens, but I haven't yet. I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 04:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you

Teşekkür ederim! MerhabaU (talk) 20:36, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

MerhabaU, I'm not sure what you're thanking me for, but you're welcome. I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 20:41, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

I dream of horses I’m not sure but 😃 MerhabaU (talk) 20:29, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

A message from JSQC

Hi, I made some edits to the wikipedia page for Jo Sidhu which appear to have been reversed. Could they please be reinstated? Thanks JSQC (talk) 21:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Much appreciated, thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by JSQC (talk • contribs) 21:42, 8 March 2020 (UTC) JSQC (talk) 21:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

JSQC,  Done I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 21:22, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

BITEy redirect?

Hello, I saw this, and since I had created the redirect, I would like to understand the reasoning. I moved the user page into draftspace since it was meant to be an article but wasn't quite ready to be in mainspace due to poor sourcing. I wondered whether I should suppress creation of the redirect but ultimately decided to create it because I thought that having the redirect might make it easier for the editor to find the moved draft again (though of course I also left a link to the new location on his talk page). I don't quite see how the redirect might be considered WP:BITEy, but if there's a good reason to not create such redirects I'll change my approach in the future. Huon (talk) 22:16, 9 March 2020 (UTC) Huon, ah, I remember that redirect. Perhaps I should've been more clear in my communication...or just communicated. I owe you an apology.

That particular editor lacked enough competence ("incompetence" being a neutral term in this instance) that it occurred to me that simply having the draft moved/renamed would confuse them. Hence, the CSD template. I probably should've gone about it differently.

As a general rule, one should leave editors a message when moving drafts they've created into draftspace. I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 00:52, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

March 2020

Hi. The change I made was to restore a piece of the quotation that had been left out or removed from the text at the original source. The citation is already there. You can follow the citation to the New York Times article from which the quote is taken, & see that the correct, original text is exactly as it is now with my edit. In short, the citation that already exists for that quotation justifies my edit. RubyQ (talk) 02:42, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

RubyQ, people can read the source and decide that Solzhenitsyn is an anti-semite on their own. We don't want him to contact the WMF and complain about the comment, potentially getting WMFOffice protection. Living people with biographies on Wikipedia have a right to do that. I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 15:38, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

I dream of horses, First, re-read the quote. Richard Pipes, the quoted source, says in the part of the quotation that I restored, that 'Dostoevsky (a dead person) is a rabid anti-Semite, not Solzhenitsyn. That is the clear meaning of the specific language I restored. Now, obviously Richard Pipes is trying to compare the two. Presumably whoever sourced that quote from Richard Pipes is attempting to illustrate Richard Pipes's assertion (for the record, in my opinion, a false one) that Solzhenitsyn is an anti-Semite. Pipes's accusations are a well-known matter of public record (for instance, the very NYT article in question here). The entire point of the section in which the quote appears is to delineate the issue raised by Solzhenitsyn's detractors as a matter of historical fact, and the responses of Solzhenitsyn and his supporters, as a matter of historical fact, not to make an original argument or persuade anyone of anything. This is an entirely proper thing for an encyclopedia article. Without it, we know less about the subject than we ought to. That effort is hampered if we: 1) cannot reference quotations from the actors involved, or worse, 2) reference quotations that have been doctored in an intellectually dishonest manner (as this quote was). In short, while you say 'people can read the source and decide that Solzhenitsyn is an anti-semite on their own', that is not at all the point of this article, this section of the article, the quote, or my correction of the quote. With respect to the quote, people can read the original source and decide for themselves whether Richard Pipes thinks Solzhenitsyn is an anti-Semite. That is entirely apropos, & does not in any way represent an endorsement by Wikipedia of Richard Pipes's assertions, or an attempt by Wikipedia to convince the reader of anything Pipes might have said. But cutting out just the part of the quote where Pipes calls Dostoevsky a rabid anti-Semite does nothing but obscure what Pipes was trying to say, making it harder for the reader to understand what Pipes was talking about, harder to understand the issue. And doing so without even leaving an ellipsis to show that the quote was partial is just an Orwellian abuse of language & thought. Finally, in passing, I will note that your original reversion of my edit said nothing about living person complaints, but justified the reversion by saying i added material that was unsourced. That was incorrect. RubyQ (talk) 23:48, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

If you are directly quoting, you can (and in this case, should) make it obvious you're doing so with quotation marks, or if the quote is long enough, encasing it in <blockquote></blockquote>, and directly quoting the source. I might've made a mistake, but it's still an easy one to make. --I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 02:55, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

A message from Filmbuff91

Hi Idreamofhorses, thank you so much for your welcome message. I actually was looking for some help but had no idea where to find some. Thank you for such great timing, really. I submitted some edits on a page and another user has been constantly reverting them. Another editor tried to intervene but he is still persisting. How should I go about raising this to administrators please? I would really appreciate your advice. Thanks! Filmbuff91 (talk) 00:56, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Filmbuff91, I noticed you already talked to Bvatsal61 on their talk page. That's actually a good start. Another thing you can do is to source any quotes you add to the article. --I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 01:06, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Filmbuff91 (talk • contribs) 01:42, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Request on 04:16:40, 16 March 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Merodeshnepal

• Merodeshnepal (talk · contribs)
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Thanks for your review. This is a genuine college in Nepal New Millennium College (https://nema.edu.np/). you can view thair,Edu domain website. as far as reference goes, most of the reference is in Nepalese language. I will try o find some English references and updates. in my personal opinion , base on the information available New Millennium College should have a basic page ( place holder) .

Merodeshnepal (talk) 04:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Merodeshnepal, you hid your question by accident. Don't worry, you'll have plenty of time in draftspace to improve your draft. I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 04:24, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

In my personal opinion , base on the information available New Millennium College should have a basic page ( place holder) . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merodeshnepal (talk • contribs) 4:26 March 16, 2020 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for nominating me for autopatrolled permissions. I am really touched by that. Have a great day :) ₪RicknAsia₪ 04:18, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Rickinasia, no problem. I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 06:57, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

hyphens vs. dashes

Hi, I'm slightly concerned about the recent hyphen>dash changes you've made. I thought you were not understanding the difference between hyphens and en dashes but now I'm wondering if you're using a bot to make these changes? Hyphens are used as a solid connection between compound parts that need to be tightly linked, for example in a variant (as in Boeing 707-120) or when the separate parts are vital elements of the whole (as in an ISBN number). By contrast, an en dash is just a loose connection that joins together two otherwise unrelated entities, as in a date range, or where it represents a word like "and" or "to" etc. I'm sure you probably already know that but it's fairly well covered in Wikipedia:Hyphens and dashes. I've reverted your changes to Boeing 707 and ISBN (simply because they are on my Watchlist) but now when I look at your contributions list, I realise you've made the same change in loads of other articles (which is why I suspect a bot). Rather than going and reverting all these edits I thought it would be courteous to bring it up here instead. Rodney Baggins (talk) 09:42, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

So you're using an AutoWikiBrowser, now I see what's happened here... What to do? Rodney Baggins (talk) 09:48, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Your changes to multiple Boeing aircraft and British Aerospace 146 were also incorrect. All the changes were made to variations of a specific aircraft type, please be more careful with making changes to all aircraft articles. Redalert2fan (talk) 10:14, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Redalert2fan, the thing to do, for either of us (and I can take up the task) is to revert and use the {{not a typo}} template to prevent this in the future. I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 20:15, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Redalert2fan, I see that you've reverted the edits, and in at least one case, didn't add the {{not a typo}}, like I suggested both above and in an edit summary where I notified you. Next time this happens, follow the instructions underneath this awkwardly worded question. I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 20:20, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Redalert2fan, I owe you an apology. I thought you were Rodney Baggins for a second, but now realize you are a different person. Overly quick reading will do that. I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 20:54, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Not a problem, I just barged in out of nowhere. But does this mean you are suggesting that for every single aircraft and aviation related article, which could also be dozen times per page, other users should add {{not a typo}}? I understand that other dashes etc on those pages should be fixed, but that seems completely excessive. Again it might be a better idea not to edit them in the first place if you can't be sure if you are making mistakes which need to be then checked, reverted or partially reverted. I appreciate your work and don't want to seem negative, but it sounds like you will possibly be creating a lot of work by using a too broad or not precise enough configuration... If you do want to do this it should probably be discussed on WT:AVIATION and WT:AWB/T first to see if a better solution can be found saving a lot of time, and page clutter. --Redalert2fan (talk) 20:57, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Redalert2fan, I'm going ahead and adding {{not a typo}} to the pages you reverted. Control/Command-F makes it faster and easier. If there are actually dozens/hundreds of potential AWB/T false positives, then a template that stops bots from editing the page can be modified to only deny AWB users. What it's called slips my mind. I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 21:02, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

I dream of horses I think it may be more in the range of thousands judging by how many aircraft and there are, with all their variations where aircraft manufactures seem to enjoy using dashes, and Wikipedia editors try to use them as many times as possible. Also any article related to aviation is bound to have these. I don't even know if I reverted all of the bad edits, this where just about 30 pages and over half had these problems. I just feel you might get some opposes if you do the edits in this way. It seems better to fix it in the problem first place, saving the work and page clutter cause by {{not a typo}}?, and so that not only you but everyone using AWB does not make the edits. Redalert2fan (talk) 21:10, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Redalert2fan, to be honest, I'm not sure how fixable the problem is beyond what I've already suggested (either using {{not a typo}} or denying AWB users if you'll need to use {{not a typo}} forty to fifty times otherwise). I'm (usually!) pretty good at using AWB, but I'm not sure how it's programmed, so the previous sentence is not a negative statement but an entirely neutral one. I just wanted to be clear, since there's no vocal inflection or body language in text.

I'm not sure what you mean by "page clutter".All templates clutter up the edit box, particularly inline templates. If you're competent enough to edit around, for example, a citation template, then you can edit around the more simple {{not a typo}}. Also, it's not like non-editing readers, which is most of the traffic to Wikipedia, are able to see it, so they aren't going to get confused by it. If you think it's visually displeasing, then I guess I value function over form. I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 21:32, 19 March 2020 (UTC) (added back ping at 21:35, 19 March 2020 (UTC))

I dream of horses, I understand, with clutter I did mean unnecessary addition of inline templates if it can be done in a better way, but that might be personal preferences then. I saw your apology on Boeing 707, It's fine. I only was a little surprised about the fact that my revert was made some time before the discussion here, and then you re-reverted me saying I should stop interfering, which would be a little hard to do, I haven't invented time travel yet haha. The grammar was in fact correct and because you mentioned "a possible grammar correction" I thought I didn't need to add a reason for it since you seemed to be not sure if it was right. I'm not actually sure about the particular grammar rule; where to find it. But it is, "Airline service", "Airbus A320 service", "B707-120 service" instead of with an s, in usages as "the airline started (aircraft type) service" or "(aircraft type) started service with (airline) in (year)" etc. I see your additions of the template addition were reverted a few times by other, I would stay more editors in the field of aviation so maybe a quick message at WT:AIR is in order to prevent further confusion Redalert2fan (talk) 11:30, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

This seems a bit silly to me. Why is it necessary to add an invasive template to every aircraft variant name in every aircraft article, when it would be so much easier for you to just avoid running your AWB on any of these articles in the first place? It just seems like using a sledge hammer to crack a nut. In my experience, any scripts that automatically change hyphens to dashes are highly problematic, because there are so many examples of places where linked numerals specifically require hyphens, as in this case. Please bring up this subject on the Aviation project page as I think it needs wider input from others involved. I'm clearly not the only one who's concerned about this. Another example that I reverted was ISBN where the individual numeric segments are linked together specifically using hyphens. Rodney Baggins (talk) 16:15, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Redalert2fan, I'm not sure where I said: "We need to put {{not a typo}} in every single aviation article." Perhaps my memory fails me; I don't have a memory disability, but human memory isn't perfect. Maybe one of you can point to where I said it if I've forgotten. However, I suspect this is an issue of communication. Also, I disagree with {{not a typo}} being somehow more invasive than other templates. I get it. Templates are ugly. That doesn't mean we shouldn't use them.

For the record, I'm totally okay with either {{not a typo}} being added only in response to an AWB user making a mistake, or someone doing it proactively to an article/section they're editing, with or without AWB. It shouldn't be done en mass, because that upsets people (watchlist spam). It can be done if you're going to edit an article/section, anyways. I've done it from AWB in the edit box inside of it.

BilCat re-reverted some of the reverts, explaining the use of {{not a typo}} in his edit summaries. I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 19:20, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Autopatrolled permission

Thank you very much for nominating me for this! Much appreciated. All best wishes, Ingratis (talk) 00:17, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Ingratis, you're welcome, and thanks for decent articles. I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 03:23, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

A message from Mohitsingh4567

I Added a section of civil engineering jobs and its not voilating any wikipedia policy so think twice for removing my link further. Mohit Singh (talk) 06:17, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Adding images to the article "Land of Israel"

Hi, User:I_dream_of_horses. I noticed where the Wikipedia article, Land of Israel, has scanty (few) images for its size, and could actually be improved by adding a few more images to that important article. There are several very good images to be had on Wikimedia-Commons. If you would take this upon yourself, to improve that article, we will be much obliged. Thanks.Davidbena (talk) 20:22, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Davidbena, in my opinion, the article has plenty of images for its' size. If you disagree, you can add the images yourself. I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 20:31, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Have you scrolled down the article? In any case, I trust your judgment. Please take a second look, though. Be well.Davidbena (talk) 20:41, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Davidbena, I have. There are plenty of images. Perhaps they can be spread out a little better, but there's plenty. I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 20:43, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

WP:ORDER

Hi, I dream of horses
A number of editors are rearranging articles, by moving the hatnote above the short description, as you did at Ho people, which appears contrary to WP:ORDER.
Is there a different order specified elsewhere? or why are several editors doing this? - Arjayay (talk) 09:39, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Arjayay, I'm guessing the number of editors are using autowikibrowser, like myself. You can either decide it's not a big deal and move on to improve bigger details in articles or bring it up at WT:AWB. I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 10:01, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

International Standard Book Number

Please stop making this edit, you have done it three times in the past week. You have been reverted by Rodney Baggins (talk · contribs), Danbloch (talk · contribs) and now myself, so please heed the advice. In brief: (i) you broke the URL; (ii) ISBNs use hyphens, not dashes. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:21, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Redrose64, yikes, that was an obvious mistake. I've added {{not a typo}} so it won't happen again with anyone. --I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 08:30, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:45, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Regarding the edits on Sara Bronfman

Hello, This is Aliza, who made edits one Sara's page. I removed the content as it was not relevent to her. The content there is misguiding as Sara was not a part of the cult. Yes, I agree her sister was. Most of the content over there on her (Sara's) page is false and I would state the detailed note on the talk page of Sara. The thing is I was not given time to express the things I found online with valid references. Please allow me to work upon this.Aliza Mauzy 15:08, 27 March 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alizamauzy (talk • contribs)

@Alizamauzy: All right, fair enough. I'll let you work on it. --I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 16:30, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Actually ...

… that was a good one. SlightSmile 17:53, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Slightsmile, what are you talking about? I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 18:00, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

I actually laughed out loud when I opened Town crier. I was being vague because I didn't want to encourage the IP. SlightSmile 18:04, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Slightsmile, eh. We have a different sense of humor. It needed to be reverted regardless. I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 18:06, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Of course it had to be reverted, I was about to but you beat me to it. Good to meet you, I've noticed you since I was new here. SlightSmile 18:09, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Slightsmile, nice meeting you. I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 18:11, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

Moved WikiLove here at 18:45, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello Dream

I have had the Draft:Muck Rack article reopened, which you had dealt with earlier. Any issue with me creating a stub from that earlier article draft?

We've crossed paths, but long ago—I am a former logging editor at wikipedia, and a former academic. I note that this is a significant digital business in the media sector, and should have an article. On trying to fill in a request for an article, I was faced with the fact that it had been started at least once before. With the article reopened, I can place the old draft into Talk, and I and others can at harvest good third-party citations from it en route to placing a fully sourced, independent stub description of the business and its services. (I am in no way affiliated with that company, or even the journalism/media part of the digital business sector. My work is in in information integrity and data privacy.)

Even if this organization is not to someone's liking, here, it should have a source-based article that provides unbiased background and persepctive on the group. Here is a link to their people page, which both establishes that I am not there, and that it is an extensive organisation. If a reference as to my bona fides is needed, perhaps contact @MarnetteD:, who regularly collaorates in filling bare URLs at articles whose sources I am trying to improve. Cheers. 98.253.16.23 (talk) 21:36, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Have a look now. Might be near enough ready to approve? Cheers. 98.253.16.23 (talk) 00:51, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

A message from 160.2.133.254

I wanted to thank you for reverting the vandalism done to the Fred Martin article. I would have used my account to do this, however it would be very easy to find out who I was from that, and that local politician is known for getting back at people, even for petty things like that. Cheers. 160.2.133.254 (talk) 22:22, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Typically, removal of such content is protected by our policies surrounding living people; however, I'd hope even a blog post hosted by Idaho public television would be reliable. The worst-case scenario is the accusations being false (happens about 2%-4% of the time), but another scenario that comes pretty close is a frivolous lawsuit. Thankfully, the WMF has a legal assistance program for the former situation.

Also, you're welcome. --I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 05:21, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Request

Hi Emily ma'am

can i request you to review this as the article is fixed and it should be approve as earliest as possible it is pending since 20 March, i shall be glad if you could approve. The article is passing notability and references. Draft:Ayesha Chundrigar

Memon KutianaWala (talk) 06:57, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Memon KutianaWala, You're going to have to wait; there's an advantage to having a reviewer with a fresh set of eyes, anyways. I dream of horses ^{(talk) (contribs)} _{Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page} 10:37, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

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