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Hi there!

I´m sorry for undoing your edits. It´s highly important to give sources whenever you edit an article. Since I already had "not so nice" meetings with some boons I just thought your edits to be som fun-edits or pov-edits. I apologize. If ye like early pharaohs as I do, I would really appreciate your co-work! Best wishes;--Nephiliskos (talk) 18:08, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello, no problem I completely understand your motivations. I have added citations to the page about Nebra and will continue to do many edits regrding Protodynastic and Early dynastic egypt. Thank you.Iry-Hor (talk) 18:58, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey, cool. I luv predynastic kings, queens and their royal household. In german Wikipedia I´ve already written tons of articles, I also own lots of german literature about those themes. If ye need some, don´t hesitate to ask me! Best wishes;--Nephiliskos (talk) 19:48, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Great! One of the things I am trying to do is to put absolute dates of reign for all the pharaohs of the period according to different authors. Do you have any in the German wiki ? Also I think the article about Early Dynastic Egypt needs some work. I will try to update it in the future.Iry-Hor (talk) 10:14, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

My literature is about kings, queens and officials only, but if I remember correctly, there are pdf- and weblinks with lots of informations about the political and economic situations at early times. If I find them back, I gonna place them right here, ok? Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 12:08, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Yeap that's good ! The more references, the better.

Why don´t you read this:

• Christiana Köhler: The Three-Stage Approach to State Formation in Egypt. In: Göttinger Miszellen. (GM) Nr. 147, Ägyptologisches Seminar der Universität Göttingen, Göttingen 1995, ISSN 0344-385X, page 79-93.
• Michael Allan Hoffman: Egypt before the pharaohs: The prehistoric foundations of Egyptian Civilization. Routledge and Kegan Paul, London 1980, ISBN 0-7100-0495-8, page 312 - 326.

The homepage of Francesco Tiratritti (aka Francesco Raffaele) is also very interesting. But be careful: Sometimes he misspells authors names or page numbers! Best wishes;--Nephiliskos (talk) 15:26, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I have edited the page of king Ka. But please be careful. German Wikipedia shows the correct theories about that king, I had to erase some older informations because nonsense. Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 12:10, 23 March 2012 (UTC) Oh, and pls sign your postings. ;)

Right the english wiki is full of strange statements which I must verify before deleting. Some are obvious though like "2950-2600: First dynasty wars" (found on the page of the 30th century BC) etc... Iry-Hor (talk) 13:36, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

I know. My post was not meant as an insult or affrontage, I just see SO many nonense in engl. articles... Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 14:12, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Meanwhile I have replaced all Infoboxes from Narmer to Djet. Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 21:13, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Actually I think the previous info box looked great with the big picture at the top. Could we keep the infobox you have put up and still have a picture to show at the top of the page ? Iry-Hor (talk) 23:21, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

You mean like the german ones are doing? I don´t know if it´s technically possible, you should ask peoples like Anneke Bart or Casliber, who had built up the hieroboxes... It was decided to use the new infoboxes because they beat the possibility to show all names in hieroglyphs. Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 21:35, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

I made it upload and integrate the Nar-fish... but it looks a bit odd now.^^ Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 23:13, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

I DID IT!!! :-D Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 23:17, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Awesome man ! This looks great ! I am gonna see to add a big picture in the hiero box so on top of that we have a nice something to show. Iry-Hor (talk) 23:21, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

About Qa'a

Hi. Something about king Qa'a: It is today not so sure if he really was the last ruler of 1st dynasty. Some scolars believe that some sort of "flash dynasty" fought for the throne before smashed down by Hotepsekhemwy. As soon I got time I will write about that theory in Qa'a´s article. Meanwhile you may look here, where that theories are well pictured. Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 13:05, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

This is an interesting topic. I know that there are problems with Snerferka and King bird (Ba)so it would be interesting to talk about these theories in the article. In the same time, it is well established that Hotepsekhmwy succeeded Qa'a (maybe after some troubles), in particular since seal impressions bearing the serekh of Hotepsekhemwy have been discovered in Qa'a's tomb. Thus I believe we should keep the succession Qa'a->Hotepsekhemwy as the dominant theory concerning the end of the 1st dynasty in the articles. Iry-Hor (talk) 16:14, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Mmmmhh... not really. Ivory labels of king Qa'a talk about a "second burial". This is highly interesting, cuz that would mean that Hotepsekhemwy merely restored Qa's tomb, as so many Egyptologist think today, but not first-interred him. Archaeological traces in the tombs of king Djer, Den, Semerkhet and Qa'a proof that there was a big plundering and burning down at the end of first dynasty during which the cemetery of Abedjou was destroyed and abandoned after the restorings of Qa'a´s tomb and now Saqqara was the new royal cemetery. Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 17:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes it looks to me like there might have been problems during this time with Horus Bird and Sneferka with Hotepsekhemwy finally prevailling. He may have restored Qa'a's tomb to pose as the legitimate ruler. Iry-Hor (talk) 17:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

King Qa'a got polished a little. ;-) LG;--Nephiliskos (talk) 15:20, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

And I added pictures to the text. This is getting good ! Iry-Hor (talk) 17:12, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Weneg

Meanwhile I got the Weneg-flower uploaded. ;-) Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 14:37, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Goood! Indeed the previous Weneg flower was not the good one. Plus those mysterious marks on both sides of the flower are necessary since they were part of the name. Iry-Hor (talk) 16:14, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

The sign I had used before was a lotos-flower, not the weneg-flower.^^ Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 17:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I have also re-written the article about the deity "Weneg". ;-) cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 18:19, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Cool indeed I was wondering about this deity. Also do you speak german ? If you do, you will undoubtedly have notices that many german wiki articles have much more information than their english counterpart. I am in the process of translating these info, which, since I don't speak german, is quite difficult for me. So if you speak german, maybe we can do it together and get the process to speed up a bit Iry-Hor (talk) 20:37, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Hehehe, just read mah main page, where I come from. ;o) cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 20:49, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Right, so feel free to translate bits and pieces from the german pages ! Iry-Hor (talk) 20:51, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Horus Quack-quack (Horus Bird)

Hi.^^ I have edited this Papageno a little and brought in good sources from the german version. Hope, you like!^^ Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:12, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Very good ! I am always for more citations, more text and more pictures ! Iry-Hor (talk) 08:26, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

(I moved the stuff on Qa'a in the section about Qa'a)

I hope ye like mah hand-made drawings. ;-)) To legitimize them I always give the source from where I copied it. Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 19:12, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

So you did the drawings ?! Well done ! Iry-Hor (talk) 08:55, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I started it after we (in german WP) got problems with recieving original pictures of drawings and photographs. The orginal owners refused to share their pics with us. So I decided do draw the objects and giving the source from where I copied them. Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 11:09, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Neithhotep

Hello! Your submission of Neithhotep at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:59, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Peter Kaplony

The article Peter Kaplony has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

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Check out the numerous articles about Ancient Egypt that refer to Kaplony and his works. I believe this is a sufficient reason not to delete the page on Kaplony, even though it is small. Iry-Hor (talk) 12:27, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Isfet (Egyptian mythology)

Hi there. Ever met the evil sister of Ma'at? ;-)) Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 17:12, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I did not even know her! I guess she is Maat's Doppelganger as you say in german. Iry-Hor (talk) 19:39, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Yope, but an evil Doppelgänger... ;-)) Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 23:30, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

PROD

It's only a Proposed deletion. If people think it has importance, it won't be deleted after April 8. If not, it will be deleted. Join the discussion about it (click the link on the template). Remove it again and I will have to warn you. :/ ~ ⇒TomTomN00 @ 13:18, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorry it is the first time I face this and I don't know how it works. I would be glad to participate to the discussion to decide about the removal. Iry-Hor (talk) 13:36, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

@TomTomN00. Could you read please Wikipedia:Proposed deletion. Iry-Hor clearly explained why he disagrees with the proposed deletion when he removed the {{proposed deletion}} tag from the article, hence you may not readd it again. mgeo talk 22:04, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Happy Easter...

...to you!^^ Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 14:55, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks man and to you too ! Iry-Hor (talk) 21:19, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Sweet Home (video game)

Hi. Could you help me, please? I had re-written the article, it now needs some corrections with grammar and stuff, I think. Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 20:38, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

The english of the article is pretty good so I did not do any changes. Iry-Hor (talk) 15:40, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to the project

Hello, Iry-Hor. I see that you've added your name to the list of participants for the Ancient Egypt WikiProject. I've seen you editing pages for the past few months, but I didn't realize you were a new member. So, as one of the project's busier members, I wanted to give a semi-official welcome. It's always good to see new editors, especially ones who know the subject and are willing to help clean up the inaccurate articles.

If you need help with anything, you can ask me, although I'm deeply involved in writing about Egyptian religion and I don't know a lot of detail about the Predynastic or Early Dynastic eras. Also, I am open to bribery—if you're willing to translate or just summarize a particular Egyptological source that's only available in French, I will do any kind of Wikipedia work you ask for. A. Parrot (talk) 05:18, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind message. I am glad to help expand wikipedia on ancient egypt: I have noticed that the french and german wiki articles are, most of the time, much better than the english one (stunning example: compare Pyramid of Userkaf with its french equivalent). So I gather informations and references from the german and french articles, as well as info from the books I own and put them up in the english article. Finally, I can read egyptian so I add as many translations to names and texts as possible when they are not already available (and check the validity of the translation if I can find a reference for it). Iry-Hor (talk) 09:50, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Impressive. Well, it looks like your focus is on other subjects, but if by any chance you gain access to La magie en Égypte: Á la recherche d'une définition by Yvan Koenig, please let me know. A. Parrot (talk) 02:59, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Nebhepetre

The main thing is that the bit about his parentage belongs in the Family section rather than reign, and note that according to Shaw, there is no certain archaeological reason or evidence for the common assumption that Intef III was his father, because if a picture of a giant Mentuhotep towering over a tiny Intef is all we've got to go on, it could mean anything. (I.E., it could just as easily mean that Mentuhotep was a rival who deposed Intef III, and wanted to express the idea he was way bigger and more important; but nowhere is he ever called son of the same. Regards, Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 19:36, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Good points, don't hesitate to add a discussion about this in Mentuhotep II's article in the relevant section. The edit conflict came from the fact that I am writing an extensive section about his mortuary temple at the end of the article. I will only edit this last part for the moment so feel free to change the upper part of the article as you wish. Iry-Hor (talk) 19:38, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Utsuro-bune

Hi there!^^ Just look, the german version (written by me) was awarded and is now de.Wikipedia´s article of the day!^^ Yayy!^^ Cheers; --Nephiliskos (talk) 13:16, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Congrats ! Iry-Hor (talk) 14:50, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanx!!!^^ --Nephiliskos (talk) 15:52, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Award

wow, many thanks for the award (you know my taste: Middle Kingdom;-). Not sure why I earned that, but many thanks again:-) -- Udimu (talk) 14:22, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, it was awesome to have knowledge of such of obscure stele with such grand consequences, namely proving the filiation of a great pharaoh. In fact the stele is so obscure that Ian Shaw has apparently never heard of it and consequently doubts the filiation Intef III->Mentuhotep II in his books. Iry-Hor (talk) 14:44, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

many thanks again; i always prefer to double check, people make mistake. I even try - if possible - to consult the original sources (had cruel teachers;-). BTW, the Middle Kingdom article in the Oxford History of Ancient Egypt is written by Gae Callender; Ian Shaw is the editor of the volume. bw -- Udimu (talk) 15:19, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Request

Hi. Might thou mind looking at the page "Talk:Narmer"? I have responded there. Cheers; --Nephiliskos (talk) 12:44, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

I responded, extensively. Iry-Hor (talk) 09:57, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Me, too.^^ Letz fetz.^^ Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 10:00, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Sekhemre-Heruhirmaat Intef

Is it possible if you could add a titulary to this king's wikipedia article? If yes, please use the version given in the German wikipedia article here Why? Because the nomen for Intef is spelled differently between Nubkheperre Intef and Sekhemre-Heruhirmaat Intef...and the Germans recognise this. Specifically, only Nubkheperre Intef's nomen has the reed leaf symbol in it. I was wondering if you could help since this king's article above is a bit longer than usual.

So, maybe a Pharaoh infobox is appropriate even though we know nothing about his parentage or his reign length except that he probably succeeded Nubkheperre Intef and ruled as king just prior to Senakhtenre in the 17th dynasty as even Daniel Polz writes in his 2007 German book on the Beginning of the New Kingdom as this book review in German states. Polz, of course, found Nubkheperre Intef's tomb at Dr Abu el-Naga in 2001 on behalf of the DAI. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 04:56, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

This is done. However I did not found the golden horus name nor the horus name of Sekhemre-Heruhirmaat yet. Iry-Hor (talk) 08:36, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for your help. Don't worry about Sekhemre-Heruhirmaat's Horus names. As Dodson is quoted in this king's wikipedia article, he likely died after only a few months on the throne after Nubkheperre Intef. So, its to be expected that some of his royal names would be missing. Its his prenomen and nomen that is the most important. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 18:52, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Right, but are they known (I mean the Nebty, Horus and golden Horus names)? Iry-Hor (talk) 21:48, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

• No, I doubt it. All we have is his coffin and maybe a badly damaged stone block which Ryholt suggests may have contained his royal name together with that of Nubkheperre Intef. If you read this king's wikipedia article which I wrote, the only conclusion that you reach is that he had a very brief independent reign...and that he may have served as a coregent to Nubkheperre Intef before he served as sole king. I mean: he was buried in a non-royal coffin and the scribes even made a mistake with his nomen. They first wrote Nubkheperre Intef's form of nomen with the reedleaf. Then they corrected their mistake but wrote: "Sekhemre-heruhirmaat" just to make sure that everyone would know that this coffin belonged to this king. This hardly implies that this king lasted even more than a few months on the throne. Yes this ruler likely had a Nebti, Horus and Golden Horus name but he ruled for so brief a reign, that he barely left a trace on any surviving monuments (that one has found so far). Of course, this might change in the future. Until February 2012, Senakhtenre's nomen was unknown but now there are 2 contemporary objects which reveal it was Senakhtenre Ahmose and it shows his Horus name was 'Merymaat.' So, anything can happen and a short-lived king like Senakhtenre still left behind a lintel and a large limestone door. The same might occur in future with Sekhemre-heruhirmaat Intef.

By the way, you made a comment about the lack of a German article on Sobekemsaf II here Actually, someone added the wrong interlink and I just corrected the problem. The German article--with the hieroglyphs--is this one The reason there are no images of objects belonging to this king is likely because Sekhemre Shedtawy Sobekemsaf II's tomb was first looted by tomb robbers in antiquity and then set on fire by them. So, the robbers totally destroyed it as a Year 16 papyrus from Ramesses IX's reign records. Peter Clayton's Chronicle of the Pharaohs book (the original from 1994 or the revised version from 2006) should give the hieroglyphs. For Sekhemre-Wepmaat Intef, I just added a web site that gives his titulary. That might be more worth it to add an infobox to his article. His father was Sekhemre Shedtawy Sobekemsaf II, not Sekhemre Wadjkhaw Sobekemsaf (I) according to Daniel Polz. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 04:49, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello I just put a pharaoh infobox with the titulary of Sobekemsaf II. But I noticed a lot of problems with this pharaoh: first the german article gives both a Turin king list and a Karnak king list name for this pharaoh. After verification, these are wrong in that they do not refer to Sobekemsaf II. In particular, the Turin King list talks about a Sekhemre Shedwast a name similar to his own name, but apparently a 16th dynasty king. What's more, on the article for Sekhemre Shedwast, it is said that he may be the same than Sobekemsaf I, which I believe is a mistake (his name being rather closer to Sobekemsaf II than Sobekemsaf I). Additionally, the Karnak king list name from the german article is wrong as well, being that of Rahotep not that of Sobekemsaf II. What's more the french article entitled Sobekemsaf II is in fact about Sobekemsaf I. Finally, there are several places in the english wikipedia with conflicting statements about Sobekemsaf II: is he the father of his two successors Wepmaat Intef and Nubkheperre Intef or were they the sons of Sobekemsaf I ? We need to clarify these points, if they are competing theories then we must say so. For the moment there are article that only mention one of these possibilities and so give the impression that wikipedia contradicts itself. Iry-Hor (talk) 09:29, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I just added a pharaoh infobox for Sekhemre-Wepmaat Intef with his titulary. Iry-Hor (talk) 09:39, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for adding pharaoh infoboxes to these 2 king's articles. I gave a minor clarification to Sobekemsaf II's article. Unfortunately, the French wikipedia and German wikipedia articles don't always have the most updated information--or their editors don't have the time to update the articles. The real problem is Kim Ryholt in his 1997 book "The Political Situation in Egypt during the Second Intermediate Period c.1800-1550 B.C" gave clear evidence from the door jamb at Gebel Antef on the Luxor-Farshut road that Nubkheperre Intef was a son of a king Sobekemsaf. Since Sekhemre Wepmaat Intef was Nubkheperre Intef's brother--and predecessor--he was probably's Nubkheperre's elder brother. So, both these two Intef kings were most likely the son of a king Sobekemsaf. But which one? Ryholt logically--and correctly assumed--that since Sekhemre Wadjkhau Sobekemsaf's son is prominently shown to be another Sobekemsaf, the two Intef king's father must be the only other Sobekemsaf: Sekhemre Shedtawy Sobekemsaf. (Polz accepts this too) The thing was that Ryholt placed Sekhemre Shedtawy Sobekemsaf before Intef and named him as Sobekemsaf I since he felt that Sekhemre Wadjkhau Sobekemsaf was Sobekemsaf II who ruled after the 3 Intef kings and just before Senakhtenre took the throne. Daniel Polz, however, discovered Nubkheperre Intef's tomb in 2001--4 years after Ryholt's 1997 book--and in this more recent German language book gave evidence that Nubkheperre Intef actually ruled late in the 17th dynasty. This means that Sobekemsaf II (with a highest attested Year 7 date) would not have intervened between Nubkheperre Intef/Sekhemre Heruhirmaat Intef and Senakhtenre because there is simply not enough years for the gap between the Intef kings and Senakhtenre. 7 years is too long. Maybe a few months or 1 year at the most. Also, since Sekhemre Wadjkhau Sobekemsaf's son--and likely successor is also named Sobekemsaf--logic would dictate that this son would be Sekhemre Shedtawy Sobekemsaf II. So, Sekhemre Wadjkhau Sobekemsaf is rather Sobekemsaf I See other evidence pointing to a late date to Nubkheperre Intef in the 17th dynasty in Sobekemsaf I's article here. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 19:03, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
• That is why you get this chronology from Polz's book. Polz is one of the most respected scholars here since he has been in the field at Dra Abu el-Naga and other 17th dynasty sites in Egypt. Cheers, --Leoboudv (talk) 19:15, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for these clarifications. They make the situation real clear and I understand why I was confused at first. Iry-Hor (talk) 21:18, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Sure no problem. Its interesting that the British Museum also seems to accept Polz's view on the numbering of the Sobekemsaf kings from this image: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:British_Museum_Egypt_079.jpg The (see note) BM link in the image mentioned this king's works at Medamud and from Ryholt's book, I confirmed that it was Sekhemre Wadjkhau Sobekemsaf (I) who performed numerous works at this city. They only date him too early at 1650 BC but then no one has any good dates for the 17th dynasty since there are no surviving dates for Rahotep, Sekhemre Wepmaat Intef, Sekhemre Shedtawy Sobekemsaf II while the Year 3 date for Nubkheperre Intef is clearly an underestimate given the amount of projects he initiated and completed in his reign. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 23:45, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

German translation into English

I added a paragraph from Polz's book into Sobekemsaf I's article here but I don't understand German and used Google translate. So, the translation is rough. If you know some German and can give a better English translation, feel free to do so. Google translate only goes so far. If not don't worry about it. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 00:51, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

• Two Photos: This crown is used for Senusret II's article--I got Hans' permission to change the license years ago. This other piece from the Cairo Museum is nice too since photography has been banned at this museum since mid-2005. All I can say is that at least people use the images. Now, I'll ask someone else if he can improve the translation. I understand your German is basic but maybe Udimu can help. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 03:04, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

My understanding of german is level-1 meaning it is just above google translate... I am not sure if we can or if it is simply desirable to have a large chunk of german text in an English wiki. I recommend that we put it in the references while keep only the translation in the main body of text. It's important that the text does not look monolithic let alone in a foreign language so that reader are not repelled from reading the article. Iry-Hor (talk) 08:06, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

• About the photos: this is great, I think there is nothing worse than a long wiki article with no image whatsoever. Every time I work on an article, I always check wiki commons to see if there are pictures. Do you have more pictures of Nubkheperre Intef burial equipment ? I guess they must not have found just his crown... Iry-Hor (talk) 08:12, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

• No, I'm afraid not. Just getting an image of that crown licensed freely on flickr was a miracle. There is almost no 17th dynasty jewellry on WikiCommons and the Cairo Museum's decision to ban photography since 2005 means that almost none will be forthcoming in future. Here are some flickr images I got freely licensed from Dr. Campana several years ago. Goodnight. Its 2 AM here in Canada, --Leoboudv (talk) 09:17, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Good night man and while you sleep, I work (it's 10am here in the UK). Iry-Hor (talk) 09:33, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Sekhemre-Wepmaat Intef's nomen

Are you sure Intef's nomen of 'Intef-aa' doesn't just mean "Intef the great" as Polz alluded to and as Jacques Kinnaer says here You said in this pharaoh's infobox it meant: 'His father brought him, the great' but I don't know if that is correct. Intef is rather short and doesn't appear compounded with a god's name like Tutankhamun. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 21:39, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

• I don't know if Peter Clayton's book has anything on the 3 Intef kings's nomens. --Leoboudv (talk) 21:46, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

This is because Intef means His father brought him. The translation is easy the verb jn means to come, to bring, it is normally represented by two legs with a pot on top, a you can find in older hieroglyphic writings of the early Middle kindom or late first intermediary period. For example, Intef Wahankh and his son Intef III had their nomen written with that sign (look up their titularies) as well. Sometimes we just have a variant of that writing but the meaning is the same, such as for Nubkhepperre Intef (egyptian are very flexible on the use of the signs). Now father in Egyptian is written jtf, more commonly tf and for New kingdom sources, most commonly just t. The final f of Intef is the pronoun 3MS (third person masculin singular) which translates to him, his or he depending on the context. Thus Intef Aa, means indeed Intef the great but since Intef means literrally Brought by his father, I translated His father brought him, the great. This is quite standard and not a translation I invented. You can find this translation in about any book on hieroglyphs (because it is easy and short). Hope that helps ! Iry-Hor (talk) 08:45, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

• OK then. Thanks for the translation of the word Intef. Perhaps its best to leave both translations there of the word Intef-aa for Sekhemre-Wepmaat's article. I knew the Egyptians compunded their names with a deity but didn't know they were this flexible with their names. PS: This here is some ancient Persian art I got freely licensed from Mr. Khoey on flickr. And a single image of Tut's perfume vase and one of Tefnakht I's stela. These are other people's images where I got a license change on flickr so that it is copyright free...and can be used on wikipedia or another web site. Best wishes, --Leoboudv (talk) 09:15, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Disappearing hieroglyphs

Hi!^^ Don´t worry. In german Wikipedia we had the same problem. Just act as if you wanted to edit the article, then safe it. After that the hieroglyphs should appear again. ;-)) Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 20:06, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Ah ok thanks ! But that's a bit weird, so everybody sees the hieroglyphs only if they save the article once ? Iry-Hor (talk) 20:10, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I must excuse... my technical knowledge is not sophisticated nuff to explain how it works. But I can tell you that it has to do with the Wikipedia server. The server seemed to had a "hickup" when trying to update the hiero-displayer. When recieving no answer from the keyfunctions the server just made the hieros appear in the latin letters. ;-) Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 20:21, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Two sets of images

Here are two final sets of images I had uploaded on a copyright free license: here and TT8--Kha's intact tomb. The WV23 by Mutnedjmet picture is of the burial chamber of king Ay's tomb--the successor of Tutankhamun. Today, this picture cannot be taken. The Egyptians have banned all cameras sadly. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 20:08, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

This is good, very good I am going to put up these images on the relevant articles if there are not already ! Iry-Hor (talk) 20:13, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

• The images are pretty much used on English wikipedia. I had to explain to the copyright owners exactly where in which wiki article the images could be used...before the flickr account owners agreed to change the license. No one simply changes a license just because I ask them to. The Nubkheperre Intef crown is not used on other language site's articles, I notice but then most people know very little on this king or the 17th dynasty. These are my own pictures on my WikiCommons account but as you can see, while the images are high resolution photos, there are no images of Egyptian art. That's because there are no collections of Egyptian art in museums in Vancouver, Canada. (Only in Toronto with the Royal Ontario Museum) Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 05:32, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

• Comment: A few years ago in 2009 there was a major conference on the TIP at Leiden because there was so much new material coming out of this new period. On the SIP, there is some information from Ryholt and Polz's books and verious other articles by the Darnells and James Allen but the FIP is a bridge too far for most Egyptologists. The Turin Canon's section on this period is helpfully preserved for the 11th dynasty rulers for the most part but I have no books or knowledge of this period to help here after the reign of Pepi II. You might call the FIP and even more complex era than the SIP for while there is generally reliable attestations of kings for the 13th, 15th 16th and 17th dynasties (and a scattered few for some 14th dynasty kings) in the form of scarabs, stelas, graffiti or tombs, there is almost nothing for the FIP kings except the 11th dynasty rulers unless one counts Merikare. My apologies, --Leoboudv (talk) 05:10, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for your answer. I will try to find out the most I can on the FIP and then organize the wiki pages. Iry-Hor (talk) 08:31, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

• Good luck. Unfortunately, I don't know of any good books on the FIP right now. There is just so little information on the Herakleopolitan rulers of the FIP unlike the 11th dynasty kings. I could ask someone for suggestions in future but that's about it sadly. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 23:55, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes that's probably why the dynasties of this period are so confused on wikipedia. I know of at least one book on the early 7th dynasty but I don't own it. I will check at the Bodleian Library if they have it. Iry-Hor (talk) 08:40, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

• I asked someone on an Egyptian forum about books/resources on the FIP and here was her reply:

"If you are after a general historical overview, a good place to start is Stephen Seidlmayer's article in Ian Shaw (ed.) 'The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt'. He also writes a good piece on the chronology of the First Intermediate Period in HdO - Ancient Egyptian Chronology edited by E. Hornung, R. Krauss and D. Warburton. Netherlands: 159-167.

There are also essays on the period by Barry Kemp in 'Ancient Egypt - a social history' edited by Trigger and Kemp and in Jan Assmann's 'The Mind of Egypt'."

I don't know if this will help but if it does, I'm happy to help. I'm sorry but I can't help as I don't know anything about this period. Cheers, --Leoboudv (talk) 06:48, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

• I wouldn't focus on the FIP dates so much though and more on the kings or the literature/historical overview of this Period. I notice that Ian Shaw in the Oxford History of Ancient Egypt dates the 13th dynasty at only 123 years or 1773-1650 BC but this is much too short since the 13th dynasty had many well attested and presumably longlived kings like Sedjefakare and Sobekhotep IV whose reign lengths are lost in lacuna in the Turin Canon. He just followed Krauss' dates here and Krauss assumes the Year 7 Sothic date known for Senusret III was observed at distant Elephantine in Upper Egypt when this administrative document was found in Lower Egypt. Presumambly every local Egyptian town would have had observers so where the document was found was where it was likely observed reasoned Parker who came up to a date at 1872 BC in Parker, Calendars, Exc C & Fs Hughes 178-184. Ulrich Luft analysed the evidence in 1992 and came up with a slightly different date of 1866 BC but nowhere close to Krauss' supposed minimal observation date of 1830 BC in Sothis und Monddaten, 100. That is why Ryholt uses Parker's dates in his SIP book and allots 153 years to the 13th dynasty. This is also close to the 453 years which Manetho gives to this dynasty if one removes 300 years from this figure. Ryholt observes that for the 3th dynasty, 57 kings are known and 21 of these king's reigns are attested in the Turin Canon, on stelas or pyramids...and when you total them up they add up to 100 years alone. So, its rather unlikely the remaining 36 kings had a reign of just 1 year--and even in this unlikely case this would total up to 136 yrs for the 13h dynasty which exceeds the 129 years that R. Krauss & David Warburton personally gives to this dynasty in the 2006 book HdO-Ancient Egyptian Chronology, p.492 (as this books editors) at c.1759-1630 BC. So, Parker is closer to the truth here. Krauss' shifts his dates a little in this second book but the timeline for the 13th dynasty doesn't change much and isn't really realistic. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 20:24, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for these indications (note though that the dates and dynasties you refer to above belong to the SIP not the FIP or maybe I am confused about your point). It seems like I am not ready yet to do meaningfull and clear edits on that period. In the same time, I also realized the very poor states of the wiki articles on the old kingdom pyramids (in particular those of the 5th and 6th dynasties), see the list here. The articles are almost all stubs when their german and french counterparts are large and well written. So I have decided to do an 'egyptian pyramids' project first, expanding the articles from info available on the german and french ones (plus fresh sources) before tackling the FIP (a long endeavor). I am almost finished with the Pyramid of Userkaf and then will probably go on doing the pyramid of Niuserre (which does not even have an article right now). Iry-Hor (talk) 14:32, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

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Egyptian pantheon

The edit may not have been meant as vandalism, but its content is copied from a description of a book (on this webpage) that seems to be full of neopagan mysticism. So no, it doesn't belong in the article. A. Parrot (talk) 21:38, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Alright thanks ! Iry-Hor (talk) 21:39, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Qahedjet

A new king has arisen!^^ cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 20:04, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Great! I bet this guy is just Huni. It is quite clear that Huni immediatly preceded Snefru so if Qahedjet is not Huni he must have ruled just before. But then there are strong argument for Khaba to be just before Huni.... Iry-Hor (talk) 21:06, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Hehehe!^^ You see, itz not so easy. ;-) The biggest problem with Qahedjet is - his stela! :O The stilistics and work offs on that stela make many egyptologists and archaeologists wonder if the stela is real or a fake. Especially the depicting of a pharaoh nearly kissing a god (means: a king and a deity depicted together in such an intim pose) is extremely unusual for the third dynasty! Even not Djoser, whose necropolis reliefs show -for that time- nearly provocative motivs; no king at his lifetime dared to show equalness with a deity in such way. Another unusual element in the Qahedjet-relief is the grammatic style in which "great palace" (hut-a'a) is written: Exactly this form as seen here is common since 12th dynasty under king Senwosret latest. And anthropomorphic Horus-depictions occur first time under king Sahure of 5th dynasty. You see, the picture program of the stela is full of stilistic contradictions. So... is this artifact real? cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:11, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

But this is extremely important ! The article should clearly say that the authenticity of the stele is still debated ! Iry-Hor (talk) 08:36, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Thou arest right. I have edited the article. Look!^^ Greetings;--Nephiliskos (talk) 17:29, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Nice ! I will correct the english sometime this week end if you don't mind, e.g. I don't thing that by 'quadratic face' you mean a face that's the square of another face... Iry-Hor (talk) 17:32, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Lauer

File:Lauer.png Did you meet Jean Lauer and take this picture of him? I was just curious since the photo resolution is quite low and the date is May 2012 but Lauer died in 2001. It should have been in the late 1990's or 2000-2001. Thank You and Goodnight, --Leoboudv (talk) 07:56, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Nah it's a screen capture from a 2000 film on him made by the Louvre Museum. Iry-Hor (talk) 08:33, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

• If so then it should not be on WikiCommons since this site only take copyright free images. It should be deleted and perhaps you should tell an Admin to do this. The Louvre would own the copyright. The images on my WikiCommons account are copyright free because I took them--so I am the copyright owner--and licensed them freely. It would rather be a non-free image with a non-free license template and a fair use justification like this photo of Bob Justman who helped produce the original Star Trek in the 1960's. You can upload non-free images at wikipedia using the 'upload file' option at the left. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 08:47, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Bikheris

And another king who´s new.^^ Greetings;--Nephiliskos (talk) 18:20, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Never heard of this guy ! So he was a prince ? Iry-Hor (talk) 18:32, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Never heard of him!? Wow...^^ No, he is thought to have been a king. Greetz;--Nephiliskos (talk) 21:50, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Between Kafra and Menkaure ? Sounds not very plausible. Iry-Hor (talk) 21:58, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Manetho says following about the fourth dynasty:

• Soris (= Sneferu), his son, for 29 years.
• Suphis I (= Khufu), his son, for 63 years. In his reign he reared the Great pyramid, which was said by Herodotus to have been built by Cheops. Suphis was said to have composed the Sacred Book in attempt to adulate the gods; I was able to recieve the book during my visit in Egypt.
• Suphis II (= Khafre), for 66 years.
• Mencheres (= Menkaura), for 63 years.
• Ratoises (= Radjedef), for 25 years.
• Bicheris (= Baka?), for 22 years.
• Serbercheres (= Schepseskaf), for 7 years.
• Thamphthis (= Djedefptah?), for 9 years.

It´s obvious that Manetho didn´t really care about chronological correctness. He misplaces Radjedef and gives implausible amounts of reigning years. Greetings;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:14, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Alright but he places Bicheris after Menkaura and before Schepseskaf not between Kafra and Menkaura as I thought I had read. Iry-Hor (talk) 22:23, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I will write more about that phenomenon. Some Egyptologists think that Bikheris actually ruled between Schepseskaf and Userkaf, together with Thamphthis - just as implied by the Saqqara-Table, which calls two kings between Schepsy and Usie. Therefore Bikheris and Ba(u)efre were not the same. Other egyptologists think that Bikheris ruled between Khafre and Menkaure. I personally think that Bikheris and Thamphthis are fictitious, their royal names beeing misinterpretations. Greetz;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:34, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes I agree, it seems to me that Shepseskaf was directly succeeded on the throne by Userkaf. First Kenthkaus might have been a daughter of Pharaoh Menkaure, wife of Shepseskaf and mother of Userkaf, so the two must have reigned close from one another. Second, the two have resembling names which are different from the names based on Ra of Shepseskaf predecessors and Userkaf successors. Iry-Hor (talk) 22:44, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

I have edited the article anew, just look! Very confusing, eh? ;-)) LG;--Nephiliskos (talk) 23:04, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Khufu

Hi. I have heavily edited this article, especially the ancient greek traditions. Hope ye like it. ;-) Greetz;--Nephiliskos (talk) 20:36, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeap this is good, after reading what you wrote I decided to reread Herodote to refresh my memories. I believe Herodote gives such a bad image of Khufu because he was told by the Egyptian priests of the time that Khufu was an horrible pharaoh. I am pretty sure that it's an image people got from the sheer size of Khufu's pyramid: seing it they imagined how cruel a king must be to force such an immense task on his people. In fact, the total building volume of Snefru surpasses that of Khufu and Herodote tells us he was a good king. This only gives credence to what I said: people imagined Khufu cruel because his work seems the grandest... Iry-Hor (talk) 20:44, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Just as I wrote in Khufus article. ;-))) In my eyes it´s pure defamation against Khufu. The greek authors lived 2000 years AFTER Khufu and of course the philosophy of many priests had changed. But we shall always keep in mind that the Egyptians themself never made any notes about the private life of the king. So we never can be sure who´s right about the real character of Khufu. --Nephiliskos (talk) 20:50, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes that's right, well it is strange that some reputation stick to some pharaohs. Another example is Djoser who has the reputation of having been a good, great and kind ruler, as the famine stele dating to Ptolemaic times shows. I have no idea where these reputations come from in the first place. After all there's no smoke without fire :o) Iry-Hor (talk) 21:01, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

If we remember the Westcar-Papyrus, here all kings (even Khufu!) are depicted as good (although with some characterly weaknesses). So it´s actually highly interesting how chataczer depictions can change due time. ;-)--Nephiliskos (talk) 21:38, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

I think that in Khufu's case this is not so clear. Read this extract from the wiki article on the Westcar Papyrus regarding the depiction of Khufu: "In story IV. king Khufu is characterised in a difficult-to-assess way. At one side he is depicted as ruthless when deciding to have a condemned prisoner become decapitated to test the said-so magical powers of the magician Dedi. At the other side Khufu is depicted as inquisitive, reasonable and generous: He accepts the outrage and following alternative offer of Dedi for the prisoner, questions the circumstances and contents of Dedi's prophecy and rewards the magician generously after all. The contradictory depiction of Khufu is object of great disputes between Egyptologists and historians up to this day. Especially earlier Egyptologists and historians such as Adolf Erman, Kurt Heinrich Sethe and Wolfgang Helck evaluated Khufus character as heartless and sacrilegious. They lean on the ancient Greek traditions of Herodot and Diodor, who described an exaggerated negative character image of Khufu, ignoring the paradoxical (because positive) traditions the Egyptians themselves always taught. But other Egyptologists such as Dietrich Wildung see Khufu`s order as an act of mercy: the prisoner would have received his life back if Dedi actually had performed his magical trick. Wildung thinks that Dedi`s refusal was an allusion to the respect which Egyptians showed to human life. The ancient Egyptians were of the opinion that human life should not be misused for dark magic or similar evil things. Lepper and Liechtheim suspect that a difficult-to-assess depiction of Khufu was exactly what the author had planned. He wanted to create a mysterious character."

And guess, who re-wrote that article once ago... ;-D Greetz;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:34, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Now, I´m done with the re-writing of Khufu´s article. Please read again and tell me then what you think. Greetz;--Nephiliskos (talk) 16:10, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Article got moved.--Nephiliskos (talk) 13:30, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Wait that's not a good idea, Khufu is the modern designation of the pharaoh in egyptology and Kheops is not so used anymore even in Egnlish. Look at the many documentaries on the great pyramid. They almost all refer to its builder as Khufu not Kheops. I think this move is not a good idea at all. It is important that the name Kheops be mentionned in the article for sure but the title should be that used by egyptologists. Iry-Hor (talk) 15:19, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

I don´t get it... at Udimu´s talk page you said that "Kheops" would be better...--Nephiliskos (talk) 15:47, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

No he meant Kheops is better than Cheops because in english the egyptian ḫ is written KH but in german it is CH. So whenever the word Cheops is written in the english wiki, it should be Kheops. But the standard name for the pharaoh remains Khufu. Iry-Hor (talk) 16:06, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

It´s finally finished now. Might satisfy you. Greetz;--Nephiliskos (talk) 08:13, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks man this is real good. Sorry for the late answer I am deeply busy these days. Should be back on wiki shortly. Iry-Hor (talk) 06:50, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Hey, no problem. ;-) Reallife, ye know. See ya!^^ --Nephiliskos (talk) 09:51, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Rhampsinitos

New article. ;-) --Nephiliskos (talk) 02:33, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Isn't he just Snefru ? Iry-Hor (talk) 10:31, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

No. ;-))) Snofru was called "Sóris" or, in jewish versions, "Salitis". It was once thought that Rhampsinit could be identical with "Râtóises" alias Djedefra. But the name "Ratoises" is mentioned always after Khufu, even in persian histories. Today it´s proven that "Rhampsinit" is just a fiction, he is thought to be a representation of all good kings befor the "evil" Khufu. It´s typical for those antique fairy tales, that they switch frequently from "good king" to "bad king". This is why modern historians and egyptologists call for caution about any credibilty in the antique tales. Most of the historical figures, such as Herodotus or Flavius Josephus, are partially suspected to have never been in Egypt personally, but instead picked their informations from second hand. However, the story of Rhampsinit is evaluated as a mere satire, in which a king gets fooled by a citizen. Here we clearly see similarities to the story in Papyrus Westcar, where (the real) Snofru is depicted as likewise lowminded as Rhampsinit. ;-P greetz;--Nephiliskos (talk) 11:13, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Sneferu...

...got his new infobox. ;-) My next bigger project, this guy. Greetings; --Nephiliskos (talk) 23:18, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Very good, up to now Sneferu was given a S3 r' name, a total nonsense. This is much better now ! Iry-Hor (talk) 08:53, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

The title "Sa-Rê" ("Son of Ra") was introduced by king Djedefra, who raised the sun to the level of Horus and Seth. It´s not fully known why he did it, but the cultic raise of Ra within the Egyptian pantheon can be followed from Djoser´s reign onward. First the sun god appeared in personal names and royal titles, then, under Djedefra, it appeared within a birth name for the first time. Synchronically, he introduced the title "son of Ra" and from that time most kings of the Old Kingdom used it. Some egyptologists think, that the pharaohs saw themself as been born by the sun, crowned by Horus and protected by Seth. Some kind of a newly introduced celestial triad. This can be observed in the choise of names: Birth name = the praise to Ra; Serekh name = the praise to Horus; Gold(en Horus) name = the praise to Seth. The believe of many egyptologists that the golden name was a (more or less hidden) praise to Seth, comes from the early and therfore very old title-of-honor of Seth, introduced under Seth-Peribsen: Nubty ("He of the Golden City [Naqada]"). Seth himself was also often simply called "The most golden one". So, at the end, we can see the slow, but continuous development of the royal names and titles. ;-) --Nephiliskos (talk) 10:07, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes this is very interesting. The same can be seen during the predynastic and first dynasty times with older names: for example the serekh may have been an innovation of Ka, while it is not before Den that the Golden Horus name was invented. This is important to keep track of the evolving ideology of kingship. Iry-Hor (talk) 10:11, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

There are many pre-forms of well known royal names. The serekh appears under king Ka, the Nebty name appears under a strange pre-form under Narmer, the Golden Horus name appears as the pre-form "Gold name" under Den. Interestingly not every king in early Egypt used the gold name. The palermostone promotes that observation: King Djer, Den and Ninetjer are bedighted with a gold name (Djer = Nj-nub; Ninetjer = Ren-nub), king Semerkhet has no gold name (but his full name banderole plus his momma´s title are noticed). --Nephiliskos (talk) 10:34, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Yay!

I did it! All kings of 4th dynasty got their new boxes!^^ Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 23:08, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Good man you are definitely a hard worker !! Iry-Hor (talk) 08:34, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

I also created Nebka anew. That redirect before was deceptive. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 00:43, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Pyramid of Raneferef

hello,

thanks for your kind words. It is currently heavily based on German sources. Maybe you could expand it further as you have knowledge in this area. Regards.--GoP_T^C_N 18:38, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Certainly ! I was planning on expanding the Pyramid of Sahure (I just finished the Pyramid of Userkaf) but I will first add a few things to the Pyramid of Raneferef since it is almost finished now ! Thanks again for your work. Iry-Hor (talk) 18:44, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Khufu II.

Hi.^^ I got a lil´ problem: the article is candidating for a "good"-nomination. During this week I had planned to work down the critics (as seen on discussion page), but - phew! - itz a lot! And my English is possibly not good nuff to clean ALL up. Therefor I wanna beg for yer help. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 15:38, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Alright we have the same problem with the pyramid of Neferefre. I will try to look at the Khufu article at the end of the week Iry-Hor (talk) 15:44, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Okie, I gonna take a look at yer pyramid.^^ Maybe I get some good ideas?^^ Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 15:57, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

I did not write the pyramid of Neferefre article, I am only helping improve it. User:GreatOrangePumpkin wrote the article. He is german too ! The article I wrote is Pyramid of Userkaf. This is all part of the Egyptian Pyramid Project (see my user page) Iry-Hor (talk) 16:01, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Converter

Hey, that tool is fun.^^ I used it in Khufu now. Look!^^ --Nephiliskos (talk) 00:01, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Really ? I did not see it in the Khufu page ! The thing is that that if you write { { convert | 10 | m | ft } } in the edit page it will write the text for you like here: 10 metres (33 ft) Iry-Hor (talk) 06:21, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

No, meanwhile I used the converter tool for changing all metres an centimetres into the english measuring units. ;-) --Nephiliskos (talk) 10:17, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Niqomi

Hey, thanks for the comment. I am completely obsessed about the Egyptian civilization and am currently waiting on a few documentaries to arrive. I noticed the English page for Teti's pyramid was quite lacking so I translated from the French page. I still have a bit more left to do but I had to leave for work. I'll try finishing it tonight. Cheers.

This is great ! Take all the time you need, and if you like the Egyptian civilization you will see that there are plenty of things to write on Wikipedia ! Iry-Hor (talk) 08:11, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

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Nubia

I've replied at Talk:Nubia - besides the fact that the first sentence was copyvio and the 2nd an interpretation of an image and oversimplifying Egyptian depictions of Nubians, it has made me think that any reword of the first sentence would not do what needs to be done with the article. Dougweller (talk) 05:32, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Djoser must run! ;-)

Hi. Look at the german article. I have uploaded there a drawing of Djoser running for the hebsed feast. Like it? Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 19:00, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Wow man! This is great, did you draw it !?! You need to put that in the English version. Also the English version needs to be expanded to accomodate for the picture. Iry-Hor (talk) 19:14, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I have drawn it from books and pictures. I have also asked an administrator if he could transfer it. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 23:25, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Now Djoser is running in our Wiki, too.^^ Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 11:22, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Lol this guy is having an eternal hed-seb run since 4600 years and is still running on wikipedia ! Iry-Hor (talk) 11:26, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Egyptian Energizer... xDDD --Nephiliskos (talk) 11:41, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Meanwhile I have expanded Djoser. Hope you like it. --Nephiliskos (talk) 15:45, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Yep looks good to me. The more the better ! Iry-Hor (talk) 12:05, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

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Sekhemkhet

Another king recieved an update. ;-) Hope you like it. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 21:21, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes that's good ! I will work on his buried pyramid sometime next month, so he will be all set ! Iry-Hor (talk) 21:28, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Cool.^^ Would you mind to look for spelling and grammar? That would help me alot. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 21:32, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem, I will do that when I come back from holidays (I leave tomorrow for 2 weeks)! Iry-Hor (talk) 21:34, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Wow... where are you heading?^^ --Nephiliskos (talk) 21:35, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Australia !!! Iry-Hor (talk) 21:44, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Uuuuhhh!^^ Visiting Ayer´s Rock? Sydney? The tropical coasts of Adelaide?^^ Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 21:49, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Western Australia, the coast and inner desert. Iry-Hor (talk) 22:00, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

You shall look for the rare desert orchids and the beautiful birds there. ;-) Take some photos, they might be useful for wikipedia! Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:04, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Re Pyramid of Sahure

Hi,

Per list of images on Talk:Pyramid of Sahure/GA1 that I'm worried are possibly non free, I have put the article on hold. I await your response.

Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 22:06, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Hello sorry for the delay, I have a very limited internet access until the 19th of September. I will be happy to implement all required changes at that time ! Thank you . Iry-Hor (talk) 12:16, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Hieroglyphs for a kings

Are you able to give the hieroglyphs for one Hyksos king: Apepi? Just curious,

If you can't, its OK. Best Regards from Canada. --Leoboudv (talk) 04:56, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Hello sorry for the delay, I have a very limited internet access until the 19th of September. I will be happy to implement all required changes at that time ! Thank you Iry-Hor (talk) 12:17, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

• That's fine. When you have better internet access, please try to give the hieroglyphs for Apepi/Apophis. Its a bit unfortunate that one of the most influential Hyksos king's doesn't have his own cartouche on English wikipedia. Have a good day, --Leoboudv (talk) 07:37, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Done ! I have also done the titulary of numerous other kings. If you have any king in mind, please tell me. I will make sure that all translations, transliterations and hieroglyphic writings are given, when available. Iry-Hor (talk) 20:00, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Khasekhemwy box

Hy. The newerly box as seen in Khasekhemwy actually intrigues me. It retains the original en.Wikipedia infobox without withholding depictions and translations of the hieroglyphs used to write the king´s names. Whoever wants to see the hieroglyphs can simply click on the option "show titulature". That´s cool. But: It gonna be massive work now to replace all the boxes without forgetting the hiroglyphs... Greetings;--Nephiliskos (talk) 20:34, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

I am looking forward to do this job. The end result is going to be beautiful without compromising the quality of the article. Like you, I belive that hieroglyphs are essential. If a pharaoh has several names, they should all be listed. If the pharaoh lives before the prefix Sa-Re was invented, it should not appear in his titulary etc... Iry-Hor (talk) 20:39, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

You´re like so right with that. ;-) But, before I forget: The only one thing in the Khasekhemwy box that disturbs me is this: The section "nomen" should be deleted, "Djajay" was -by the way- a name given to Kh. thousands of years later in the Abydos King List. There is no "Khasekhemwy-Djadjay". But this are finepolishings, I think - the concept all the way is cool. ;-) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 20:44, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok, look I have updated the Khasekhemwy titulary with all the required informations! Iry-Hor (talk) 21:23, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Perfect!!! *applause* That´s the one! Besides: How do you find my self-made drawing of the double-name of Khasekhemwy? ;-) regards; --Nephiliskos (talk) 21:26, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Its awesome ! I don't know how you draw these things but this is real great stuff to put on wikipedia ! Keep on the good work, these pictures are crucially amazing ! Can I change the Djoser page ? Iry-Hor (talk) 21:28, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanx for the flowers! I got so much more drawings, for example I have drawn the palermo stone inscriptions for Khasekhemwy and Djoser, too. ;-) About Djoser: Hey, you absolutely don´t need my permission - just do it!^^ I just cannot wait to see your glorious new boxes! best regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 21:39, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Ah, one thing: in the article of Djoser the last section makes no sense to me. It´s somehow misplaced there, isn´t it? Best regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:39, 11 November 2012 (UTC)PS: ok, i fixed it.