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TheWikiWizard-June 2021

Hello, Berrely! Here is the June 2021 issue of TheWikiWizard.

Wikipedia News

• The IRC channels used for Wikipedia have changed, you can read more on it here. While TWW was aware of this in the last issue, we decided to wait and publish this in this issue, when the issue is not as new any more, and more information has been developed.
• There was quick interruption in editing on Wikipedia, that was to test server switching should an emergency happen, more details can be found here.

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• Internet Explorer still thinks freenode is the best IRC service!
• It has been proven that editing the article Cheese while eating Cheese is considered a WP:COI.
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Administrators' newsletter – July 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2021).

Administrator changes

Trialpears

AGK • Eliz81 • Mulad • ThaddeusB • Vianello • Who

Lacrimosus → Ikuzaf

Interface administrator changes

Ragesoss

CheckUser changes

AGK • DGG

Oversighter changes

AGK

Guideline and policy news

• Consensus has been reached to delete all books in the book namespace. There was rough consensus that the deleted books should still be available on request at WP:REFUND even after the namespace is removed.
• An RfC is open to discuss the next steps following a trial which automatically applied pending changes to TFAs.

Technical news

• IP addresses of unregistered users are to be hidden from everyone. There is a rough draft of how IP addresses may be shown to users who need to see them. This currently details allowing administrators, checkusers, stewards and those with a new usergroup to view the full IP address of unregistered users. Editors with at least 500 edits and an account over a year old will be able to see all but the end of the IP address in the proposal. The ability to see the IP addresses hidden behind the mask would be dependent on agreeing to not share the parts of the IP address they can see with those who do not have access to the same information. Accessing part of or the full IP address of a masked editor would also be logged. Comments on the draft are being welcomed at the talk page.

Arbitration

• The community authorised COVID-19 general sanctions have been superseded by the COVID-19 discretionary sanctions following a motion at a case request. Alerts given and sanctions placed under the community authorised general sanctions are now considered alerts for and sanctions under the new discretionary sanctions.

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UAE Give Way sign text

I was trying to have the Give way sign I uploaded have text, but you think it's overwrittem. Why's that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingwarnen (talk • contribs)

Kingwarnen apologies, I thought you wanted to overwrite a previously uploaded sign. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 11:46, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

That's okay. Don't do it again when I put in the UAE Give Way sign in which it needs text on it.

Articles for Creation July 2021 Backlog Elimination Drive

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Question from Shuhad bin musthafa (21:36, 12 July 2021)

Pls edit my Wikipedia page --Shuhad bin musthafa (talk) 21:36, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Shuhad bin musthafa what do you mean? What article would you like to edit? — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 07:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Feedback request: Maths, science, and technology request for comment

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Question from Zahinian (15:17, 17 July 2021)

.how can i edit an article?? --Zahinian (talk) 15:17, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Zahinian, to learn how to edit an article, please read the introduction. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 15:20, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

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Sutton & Croydon Guardian

Hello and thanks for making great improvements and updates to Sutton & Croydon Guardian. However I noticed that you removed the Sister Papers section. I understand they don't exist but I think they should still be mentioned in the History section at least instead of it being lost entirely. --Jf81 (talk) 13:59, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Jf81! Hope I helped with the cleanup on that article, I'm trying to do newspaper cleanup recently. As for the removed section, feel free to restore it, I just thought in its current state it wasn't of much use. If you could merge it into the history section that would be great (I might be able to later). Cheers — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 15:00, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Wonderful work

Thank you so much for your beautiful pictures of Hampstead. I did Gainsborough_Gardens recently, incredible domestic architecture. No Swan So Fine (talk) 14:37, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

No Swan So Fine no problem :). I needed to get out after a while and Hampstead just has an incredible amount of beauty. Hopefully I can take some more photos in a bit! Great job on Gainsborough Gardens, Those are some really nice photos! Hampstead architecture is a wonder. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 14:58, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Question from Esmatullah Mohib (11:18, 20 July 2021)

Hi Berrely,

Thank you so much for your helpful message, I would like to have some questions.

Questions: 1. When I will be an autoconfirmed user? 2. After that I became an autoconfirmed user - what else is required so that I share topics about myself and my history here in Wikipedia? 3. What is the difference between (User Page, Article, User Space, and create a source)? 4. How can I submit my article for review? 5. What is a great and fast-approved article according to Wikipedia? 6. What should be written on my user page and will that be shown as the article for the readers? 7. What is the difference between an article and a user page? 8. What is the requirement to write a great neutral and informative article?

Thank you so much for helping us!

Regards, Esmatullah Mohib --Esmatullah Mohib (talk) 11:18, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

@Esmatullah Mohib, hello and welcome to Wikipedia!

1. You'll become an autoconfirmed user when you get 10 edits (which you have), and your account is 30 days old. You can check the amount of edits you have in Preferences.
2. You are not required to share any information about the topics you are interested in, yourself or your history, however many editors (including me) do. I can see you've already created a userpage with information! If you want you can also add some userboxes to the bottom.
3. On Wikipedia we have different “namespaces”. There are a lot, but the most important ones are the main/article space, where all articles are, the talk space, where you discuss with other users about an article, the Wikipedia space, where internal pages (such as those on editing) are, and finally the user and user talk spaces, for learning and discussing with users. “Create a source” is not a namespace, just a button :).
4. If you've created an article in the “draft space” (where new articles are submitted for review), you can submit the article by adding the following code to the top: {{subst:submit}}
5. Re the difference between an article and user page, see above.
6. Writing an article has a few requirements. There is a great guide at Help:Your first article on writing an article for your first time.

Also, I noted you ended your sentence with "us". I'm not sure what you mean by this? Is this account being shared by multiple users?
Welcome to Wikipedia and happy editing! — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 19:11, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much Berrely for your cooperation, I usually use that is my writing style and it is not multiple user.

Question from Esmatullah Mohib (11:30, 20 July 2021)

Which cites (source) are acceptable by Wikipedia? --Esmatullah Mohib (talk) 11:30, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Esmatullah Mohib, Wikipedia requires reliable, independent source. For more information on sourcing, see Help:Referencing for beginners. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 19:11, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Image replaced

Hi,Berrely you have replaced the image on the article 2021 European floods the old image on the article you undid was outdated and didn´t measure how hevy the rain was so do not replace anymore images. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.111.86.246 (talk • contribs)  23:08, 21 July 2021  (UTC)

Hi IP, please go to the relevant article's talk page to discuss this, as I think it's better to achieve consensus on this. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 08:51, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Question from ALEX B. 1992 (17:30, 22 July 2021)

Hi Berrely, I hope you are doing well,

I have a question

If someone's account gets blocked by Wikipedia all his/her articles also will be blocked and will not be available for the audience or just his/her user will be blocked?

Thanks --ALEX B. 1992 (talk) 17:30, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi ALEX B. 1992 and welcome to Wikipedia :D. Unless the article was created whilst the user was blocked, the articles created by a blocked user are no different to any other article. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 17:36, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

ALEX B. 1992 please note you're editing someone elses question. Please don't do that :) — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 17:42, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

No I changed my username about hour ago from Esmatullah Mohib to ALEX B. 1992 user, so I changed it in here as well with the new one, my friend. Thank you! I hope it is not misunderstood.

I have the email as a prove, Berrely :D. Thank you! - My new username is ALEX B. 1992. please replace the previous one with new one as I did Thank you sir!

Apologies for the misunderstanding. Feel free to restore your content, but it really isn't necessary :) — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 17:57, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

No worries - Thank you so much Berrly you are a great mentor! I will change it sometimes now I have to sleep I read a lot today about the Wikipedia.

Potato doggo award

	Perritogordito
	This award is for those who worship the one and only perritogordito, the potato doggo. Jebbles (talk) 18:31, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Perritogordito is happiness; Perritogordito is life. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 18:39, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Your decline of my draft article, Draft:Utopia Deals

Hello there. I noticed you recently declined by draft article Draft:Utopia Deals. You said that the sources were on the founder, rather than the company. However, I am not sure whether you actually read them. While the titles make it appear so, almost all of the sources focus on the company and its success and contain almost no information on any details of Jabran Niaz's life. Indeed, the BBC Article focuses extensively on the company's history, and all the sources have at least one paragraph about the company. Could you kindly clarify me on why you gave that comment? Thanks. RealKnockout (talk) 20:07, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Alright:

1. Is a LinkedIn bio, which is UGC and hence not a reliable source.
2. Seems more like a promotional piece, vowes to remain at forefront of the values and mission of his firm, just citing the success of the company.
3. This is the only usable source in the draft. It's quite high quality to.
4. Not sure about the reliability of this one. It describes itself as "an emerging technology news website". However it may be usable in this context.
5. Yeah this is just self-published site. The poster is even called "Admin"
6. This is a bit questionable. Seems to have editorial oversight, but the whole article is only 3 paragraphs.

Other than that I can't find any other reliable sources.
After what you said, it seems Jabran Niaz isn't notable either. Hope this helps! — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 13:47, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

@Berrely: ::I think you should delve a bit deeper into the sources. Here are my explanations:

1. The linkedin bio was used only for 100% factual items like founding date and HQ location.

2. While the Bol News piece does get kind of promotional, about 60% of it is other facts like yearly revenue and more.

4. This site is a bit shaky, but all their stories line up with mainstream reports.

5. I think you are mistaken. Yes, the author name has me curious, but the source itself is so notable it has its own Wikipedia page

6. Yeah, its a bit small but adds to notablity a bit. Also, this is the source I was most concerned about since it looks shady.

7. I think you missed the last source, an article by “Naya Daur”. It is also 3 paragraphs, and the author is in question, but the source itself seems reliable, given that it is publicy-funded via donations and was started over 2 years ago.

I hope this clarification helps. RealKnockout (talk) 03:41, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Ah alright, there was an oversight from me on the LinkedIn bio, and I appreciate it was suitable in that situation. On the Bol News piece, I can't find it being cited for any facts (unless you count the products they make as facts) and I don't know why it's being used in the last sentence? As far as I can see (correct me if I'm wrong) it doesn't mention anything about workers or number of factories? On source 4, I'm tentative on it's reliability, the article just reads more like a press release to me. On the Pakistan Observer piece, I think I missed this (probably why I only have 6 sources instead of 7). I think this is probably okay to use in the article (but also note notability ≠ reliability), however the Pakistan Observer has done press releases in the past so(?). Source 5 isn't even loading for me so I can't assess it. And finally Naya Daur. This is very similar to the Pakistan Observer article, and also reads like a press release. Please note a site accepting donations does not mean it's independent. Naya Daur also has a form to submit your own piece, and you can contact the Pakistan Observer for a press release as well. Perhaps these sources were commissioned?
In the end, the notability guidelines on companies are quite strict, and it requires significant coverage in reliable sources. As from this Google Search, I can find basically nothing, and the BBC Urdu piece is basically the only usable article, which doesn't count as significant coverage. Maybe in the future this company will become more well known and more notable, but for now I don't believe it is. If you don't agree with me, that's completely fine as well. Feel free to resubmit your article and allow another reviewer to assess it and either accept it or decline it. 😄 — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 06:05, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

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Question from Rutherford The Genius (11:20, 26 July 2021)

How to I use my graphic design skills here? --Rutherford The Genius (talk) 11:20, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Rutherford The Genius and welcome to Wikipedia!
If you're interested in graphic design, you should probably learn about out sister site [Wikimedia Commons, where all our files are hosted. Wikipedia is always in need of new files, we have a dedicate venue for requesting them at the graphics lab, where users request illustrations. You can start by helping with some of those requests!
There are also other way you can help out. If you find an article that you think would benefit from having an illustration, you can create one and add it! I also like vectorising logos at Category:Logo images that should be in SVG format. Feel free to ask any more questions :). — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 11:25, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Web User Logo.png

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Speedy deletion nomination of File:Science front cover, 23 July 2021.png

A tag has been placed on File:Science front cover, 23 July 2021.png requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a non-free file from a commercial source (e.g. Associated Press, Getty Images), where the file itself is not the subject of sourced commentary. If you can explain why the file can be used under the fair use guidelines, please add the appropriate fair use tag and rationale.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 09:01, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Do NOT restore copyright violations.

If you want to dispute this, you can click on the blue button on the image. You cannot remove the deletion tag, nor can you restore the imagine in the article until this is resolved.

Additionally, there is zero reason why a copyrighted image needs to be used in lieu of a free image, of much higher historical value. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 09:09, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

@Headbomb well it's a bit too late for that now. I wanted to take it to FFD but it seems Materialscientist has deleted it. I think that in this case, the non-free content is sutiable. The footnote on WP:NFCI #1 says the cover art implicitly satisfies the "contextual significance" NFCC criterion (NFCC#8) by virtue of the marketing, branding, and identification information that the cover conveys.. A cover from over 130 years ago in no way signifies this and does not offer the same use to the reader. As the file is deleted I'm not sure what to do now. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 09:12, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

You can discuss things on the Science talk page. However, there's very little reason to use a copyrighted image to identify the journal, when the have the original cover in the public domain which identifies it. There's many reason to pick Volume 1, and very few to pick Volume 373. So unless there's commentary discussing the new image (which would likely be WP:UNDUE), I doubt you can gather consensus for the copyrighted cover. You're welcomed to try though. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 09:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 45

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Plant-Based Riot

Hello Berrely,

Thank you for your feedback on the page I am trying to create. I have removed the bold from the headlines. Please help me understand what resources I could use more than I have already had. I have added independent publications that wrote about the game, reviewed it and made videos, or interviewed the creators. The game has just been launched, so there are no more resources than the ones I have already included. Please let me know what I should do.

Kind regards, BingHikki (talk) 13:03, 31 July 2021 (UTC)Binghikki

@BingHikki, I suggest starting by either completely removing the "Game rules and cards" section, it shouldn't be in an article. A section titled "gameplay" or similar would make more sense and written in prose. Almost all the sources are from social media posts; these aren't reliable sources. Please read Help:Referencing for beginners for more information on this. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 13:06, 31 July 2021 (UTC)