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Hi JGabriel ar. I noticed your post to Wikipedia talk:Village pump (assistance) but it's unlikely very many will; there are two reasons why this is not quite the right place. Most importantly, this is a talk page of a project, not the project page itself: note the word "talk" in the title. This means tat it is a discussion page for the project, where the project page itself is discussed. Second, if you look at the project page at Wikipedia:Village pump (assistance), you'll see that it is deprecated and redirects those arriving there to Wikipedia's help desk.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:27, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

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Yo tampoco, asi que para que sufrir. Cerati es obviamente notable y por millas, asi que mientras esta "guerra" no se mueva al articulo, no hay realmente un problema. Es obvio tambien que los IPs no estan argumentando corectamente, ni utilizan un punto obvio, obvio no es Hendrix, pero si es notable. Traten de llegar a un consenso, asi, si cualquier usuario trata de removerlo ya existe una razón de que no se remueva. Si el problema persiste tómenlo a WP:3o. Tbh®tch^{Talk ©} Happy Holidays 03:49, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Bueno, entonces te responderé en español, es más fácil para mi (es un alivio en realidad ja ja). Son dos ip's 198.164.219.128 y 24.87.89.228, que, curiosamente, la primera desapareció y cuando esta no apareció más, inmediatamente apareció de la nada la segunda, sin duda sospecho que debe ser la misma persona. Te contaré algo de la historia de esto. Hace tiempo he estado intentando mejorar este articulo y el de sus compañeros de Soda Stereo. Creí que era bueno y objetivo incluir a Cerati en las páginas destinadas a nombrar a los usuarios notables de los instrumentos que él usa. En una de esas ocaciones apareció la 198 que simplemente se fue en picada contra Cerati, no solo sacandolo de la pagina, sino de otras más y también borrando la sección que hoy está en disputa. Incluí referecias, dialogué con él pero nada sirvió. Luego de hecho parece que siguió mis ediciones, porque se metió en otros artículos más para revertir mis ediciones. Ahora este problema como verás, ya pasó al articulo porque la seccion de notable instruments ya no está y cualquiera que intente ponerla denuevo, la (o las) ip's lo borran. Llegar a consenso es difici, por no decir imposible, si te fijas en la larga discusión, un usuario que defiende la inclusión de dicha sección, ha dado miles de razones, pero las ip's no las toman en cuenta y persisten en su afán, haciendo oidos sordos a lo que se les intenta explicar. Si entiendo bien, lo de tercera opinion lo interpreto como: que opine un usuario ajeno a la disputa y de su punto de vista, ¿cierto? ya han habido terceras opiniones (no de mucho aporte por cierto) y que en cualquier caso las ip no tomaron ni tomarán en cuenta. Este problema además se extiende a los ex compañeros de Cerati en Soda Stereo Zeta Bosio y Charly Alberti que tambien contaban con esa sección en el infobox y que les fue borrada por las ip's. Yo propondría que alguién importante como un administrador les diga lo que es correcto y si no obedecen, se les de un castigo. Además se podría semi-proteger los artículos para que sólo usuarios registrados lo puedan editar. Saludos y gracias por responder (y por responder en español). JGabriel ar (talk) 04:53, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Si el problema en realidad son IPs, puedes solicitar semi-protección en WP:RFPP, el conseso no es tan dificil de alcanzar, hasta donde vi, muchos usuarios creen que incluirlos esta bien. El problema es que no creo que sea el mismo ususario, ambos tienen una IP compartida, debido a sus ediciones. Pueden ser personas que se conocen (Uno es de Oregon y el otro es de Vancouver del Norte). Si una persona disruptiva te impide continuar con tu vida, lo mejor es revertir, pedir un bloqueo e ignorar, tambien ve no sabotees Wikipedia para ilustrar un punto. Tbh®tch^{Talk ©} Happy Holidays 06:28, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Yo si pienso que es el mismo. Primero: porque desde que apareció la segunda no ha aparecido la primera, que coincidencia ¿no?. Segundo, si una es de un lugar y otra es de otro no comprueba nada, puede que 198 haya viajado a Vancouver. Respecto al consenso, tu ya viste que la ip volvió a comentar, creo que eso dice todo. Lo de la semi-protección sería perfecto, pero no creo que lo semiprotejan, porque semiprotegen sólo artículos que estan en riesgo de excecivo vandalismo, y a pesar de que esto es molesto, es erroneo y todo eso, según las normas de wikipedia, no califica como tal, menos como excecivo, así que creo que lo rechazarían. Por lo mismo tampoco creo que bloqueen las ip's, la unica forma sería hacerles entrar en razón, pero eso como vez es complicado. Ahora te pregunto, ya que veo que eres experto en vandalismo: Si yo vuelvo a incluir esa sección cada vez que la ip la borre, ¿no tendré ningun problema? es decir, que la misma ip distorsione las cosas y diga que yo soy el vandalo ¿me podrian banear a mi?. Según yo, lo que yo haría sería simplemente una defensa del artículo, pero no se como lo ve el resto. JGabriel ar (talk) 01:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

¿Puedes buscar asistencia para solucionar el problema? Terceras opiniones o algo de wikipedia que permita resolver el conflicto. Te lo pido porque yo no me manejo tan bien en esta wikipedia. Francamente ya estoy cansado de la eterna discusión, para algo que encuentro injusto. Pero por lo mismo, no me quiero rendir, voy a seguir defendiendo lo correcto. JGabriel ar (talk) 04:09, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Listo, pedi por comentarios Tbh®tch^{Talk ©} Happy Holidays 04:23, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Realmente no tan raro que solo IPs lo editen, ahora enlaza aqui, y el último IP que comentó viene de Australia, dudo que hizo un viaje de 20 horas solo para ello. Recuerda que los editores IP son humanos y también ellos pueded editar y comentar. Y bueno la única diferencia entre administradores/usuarios registrados e IPs es solo que los primeros tienen mas permisos que los segundos. Si quieres un admin, puedes pedirle su opinion personal, aunque te podría decir lo mismo que yo, o ya se ha dicho antes. Tbh®tch^{Talk ©} Happy Holidays 04:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

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Re:Queen II

You can add the information if it is notable like you said. But using the word "legendary" is inappropriate. Also, the info was written in the wrong place. If you want to add the info back, you should probably put it at the end of the section entitled "Legacy". Cheers. Friginator (talk) 16:55, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

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