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Saudi Local Content and Government Procurement Commission moved to draftspace

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Saudi Local Content and Government Procurement Commission (February 10)

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SITH (talk) 15:05, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia and copyright

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Christchurch shooting

I removed your addition of King Salman’s reaction to the article because it is already present. See “Politicians and world leaders condemned the attacks,[22][note 3]”. It is within “note 3” with other world leaders already like Australia, Russia, because he didn’t do anything special other than condemn the attack. starship.paint ~ KO 00:15, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

A page you started (Saudi Heritage Preservation Society) has been reviewed!

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Draft:Cumulative match characteristic CMC

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Proposed deletion of Quality of Life Program 2020

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Your draft article, Draft:Saudi Local Content and Government Procurement Commission

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 05:37, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

List of forts in Saudi Arabia moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, List of forts in Saudi Arabia, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 15:20, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi, User:CASSIOPEIA @CASSIOPEIA: thank you for your review. This is not an article in which should be referenced. It's a list where all items listed are linked with their pages. Most of the listed pages are provided with references and information indicating the location of the site/fort. Regards Jaseromer (talk) 15:38, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Jaseromer, greetings. Stand alone list do need sources just like any other article - see WP:STAND. Group sources are accepted for stand alone list and sources can be in any languages. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 15:44, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

@CASSIOPEIA:, Thank you. Jaseromer (talk) 15:54, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: List of forts in Saudi Arabia has been accepted

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DGG ( talk ) 05:06, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

nice work. Please do more like this . I think you know now that each item needs to be referenced DGG ( talk ) 05:07, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you @DGG: for your valuable review and encouraging. Regards Jaseromer (talk) 18:46, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Government independence

Please have a read through Human rights in Saudi Arabia and find serious sources before you start claiming that the Human Rights Commission (Saudi Arabia) is independent from the KSA government. Surprising claims can sometimes be right, but they need to be backed by extremely solid sources. I had a quick look around for third-party sources, and the first source I found gave (unsurprisingly) evidence that the "Human Rights Commission" was opposed to the elementary human rights of Khashoggi's family and friends and colleagues and readers - the right to have an independent enquiry into his assassination and a criminal case launched against those suspected of the assassination. Since MBS is strongly suspected to have ordered the assassination, a secretive KSA national-level investigation is not going to be independent in a country with no evidence of separation between the executive, legislative and judicial powers of government.

Some of your recent edits which I've had to tidy up included:

• initial version of Human Rights Commission (Saudi Arabia)
• Human Rights First Society
• Human rights in Saudi Arabia

People might start getting worried that you might be one of the influencers hired by the KSA government, and any such influencer would have to read the guidelines under WP:PAID and follow them. I don't expect that other Wikipedians would object to people being paid to make articles on forts, ministers, and so on in KSA. On the other hand, helping to whitewash an abominable level of human rights violations and getting paid for it might be less well accepted. Boud (talk) 23:19, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

@Boud: Thank you for your comments and edits in Human Rights Commission (Saudi Arabia). I relied on the commission's website as a supporting source to write what they described themselves including their claim of being independent in performing their functions. Your rewording (thanks) might have explained the meaning in a better way. Regarding my articles about Saudi Arabia, I often write articles about general topics related to Saudi Arabia (cultural, tourist, public). I am trying to contribute and improve the English content of the country in Wikipedia. Doing this does not mean to be one of the influencers you mentioned or being paid by the Saudi government. I think it is not fair to accuse someone of being paid by the Saudi government because he edits articles about Saudi Arabia.Regards Jaseromer (talk) 16:55, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

hi again Jaseromer. I don't think it's unfair for me to have raised the topic in the context of the Guardian article and your recent edit history. Anyway, looking forward to your edits! :) Boud (talk) 04:26, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

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Thank you for creating List of islands of Saudi Arabia.

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It would really help to add geographic cordinates.

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DGG ( talk ) 20:19, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi @DGG: thank you for your valuable review and comments, I'll improve the article by adding what you've suggested. Regards Jaseromer (talk) 19:14, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Arda dam moved to draftspace

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Arda dam has been accepted

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Zanhe (talk) 02:30, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Please stop mass-producing articles

Existence of a dam is not WP:Notability: it needs substantive sources to establish notability, not an small entry in a database. If there is no information beyond the year built it should not have its own article, rather List of dams in Saudi Arabia should just be expanded with such data in a table, with the names of dams redirected there.

Your article Hareeq dam moved to Hareeq Dam

Hello, I moved the article you created Hareeq dam to Hareeq Dam to meet naming standards. However, if you think it shouldn't be moved or renamed, talk to me here.King Onyx (talk) 02:25, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Adding on, yeah. "Dam" is usually capitalized. It's not going to cripple an article or anything, but it's a good convention to know. Stikkyy t/c 05:21, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you @Stikkyy: , Regards. Jaseromer (talk) 22:07, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

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Might want to tag WP:WikiProject Dams on the talk page of all the dam articles you're creating.

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Stikkyy t/c 05:12, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Stikkyy: , Thank you for your review and kind suggestions. Regards Jaseromer (talk) 21:51, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Autopatrolled granted

Hi Jaseromer, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autopatrolled right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Beeblebrox (talk) 19:39, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Beeblebrox:, thank you for granting me the "autopatrolled" permission, I appreciate your message. Regards. Jaseromer (talk) 20:26, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

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Independent sources

Apologies, I must inflict advice upon you. Because Saudi domestic media are state-controlled, they not independent sources for any topic in which the Saudi government has a stake. This means that they are not WP:reliable sources, and they may not be cited in Wikipedia articles in support of statement on such topics. Their inaccuracies and inconsistencies on such topics are a separate issue; just the lack of independence is enough to make them non-reliable, though. It's OK to cite them for trivial, non-controversial facts. Information ultimately sourced from them should also be attributed if reported by third parties (for example, if an independant newspaper writes "The Saudi Gazette reports that eight people were involved", then Wikipedia should not say "eight people were involved").

At Riyadh International Book Fair (which contains an explicit description of the non-independence of the Saudi media), you added some non-independent sources, and removed some independent ones. I've reverted those changes, although I kept your helpful wikilink corrections. Citing facts in infoboxes is perfectly conventional (though not always done), and such citations aren't irrelevant.

Please also be careful that your edit summaries don't mislead someone skimming through the edit history. "the book fair is organized by the Ministry of Culture. source provided" is not a good description if you are also removing three sources and a statement. "correction according the the provided source" is an appropriate if the statement you edited was contradicted by the source, but not if you are replacing one statement supported by the source with a different statement. "rephrased content according to the ref" is also not appropriate for such a case. In other articles, "improvements" is not an accurate description of replacing information about censorship with a list of cultural accomplishments.

On edits like this and this; not being able to access a web reference is not adequate reason for removing it and the cited statment. People in Saudi Arabia may not be able to access a lot of web pages, but I can access the first, and easily find the second, and they did support the statements.

I understand you've written a fair amount of content about Saudi Arabia, and I understand that such content can be difficult to source, and difficult for people in Saudi Arabia to write. If you could go over it and remove things which cannot be supported by a reliable source, except where the government-dependent sources are clearly not being self-serving, that would be great. We can't trust these sources to be accurate, and Wikipedia really should not be a place for propaganda to propagate. In particular, some articles you've made, such as Royal Commission for Riyadh, have no independent sources and thus don't meet notability requirements. I've worked on fixing some of the issues I've mentioned, and will try and go over more. I'm really sorry that this may involve undoing some of your work. I'll try to find independent sources where reasonably possible. HLHJ (talk) 03:17, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi @HLHJ:, thank you for your advice, appreciate your comments. Regards. Jaseromer (talk) 17:40, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for that exceedingly civil response to what must have been an unpleasant message. HLHJ (talk) 04:29, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

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Do you have any connection to the Saudi Arabian government? A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 16:22, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

No. Jaseromer (talk) 14:43, 26 October 2021 (UTC)