User talk:Jeanne boleyn/Archive 7

Sky Pilot...How high can you fly......

Something strange has been going on here. Over the past two days loads of US military planes have been flying over my house. Weird....and a wee bit mystifying. What the hell is going on!!!!!. Another thing, I'm having sporadic server problems.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:31, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Princess Maria Amélia of Brazil

Jeanne, sometime ago you were very kind on reviewing Teresa Cristina of the Two Sicilies, then a FA nominee. If you have the interest, could you take a look at Princess Maria Amélia of Brazil? The nomination page is here. Whther you support or oppose it, it won't matter. A third opinion is always appreciated. Regards, --Lecen (talk) 20:09, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations Lecen! That's a nice, well-written article. I made a few minor tweaks, but otherwise it's excellent.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:41, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello

Hi Jeanne, I know I miss Jack as well! As for the articles I think there's a shortage of possible articles to create, I'll probably spend alot of time expanding and improving. I believe you're not creating articles anymore?--David (talk) 10:47, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

At the moment, no. Like you, I prefer to spend my time improving existing articles.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 11:00, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm currently working on Constance of Peñafiel, by any chance Jeanne, have you heard Lady Gaga's new single?--David (talk) 11:17, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Which is?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 11:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Born This Way--David (talk) 13:34, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Sir Roger Vaughan

Why is there a need for an article on Sir Roger Vaughan of Bredwardine separate from the article on his wife Gwladys ferch Dafydd Gam, especially since the Sir Roger article duplicates verbatim content from the Gwladys article? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:31, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Why not ask its creator?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:32, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

I did ask its creator. I also asked you as you were the second person to edit the article, and therefore I thought you might have some insight into the matter. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:11, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

All I did as regards editing the article was to add the word Welsh. From the creator's talk page it appears that more content is to be added. I did, however, suggest that an Under Construction template be added to the article in question.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:23, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

A storm is threatening....

my editing today. I hear the distant rumble of thunder...I'm afraid 'tis approaching which means communication breakdown this morning.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:29, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Teena Marie

Hello. I read your comment at Talk:Teena Marie. I left a comment of my own, and just wanted to invite you to respond, especially since you seem to have known her personally. BTW, you have absolutely the most interesting user page I have ever seen. Regards. Joefromrandb (talk) 19:47, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! As regards Tina Brockert, I only knew her by sight at Venice High and by the fact that she and her friends used to toss insults my way because of my glam rock style of dressing. She was two grades ahead of me so we didn't share any classes together. At any rate we could never in the broadest sense have been described as "friends"!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:00, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

GoodDay

A request, would you have a chat with him. He seems to be loosing it completely at the moment and at this rate sooner or later he will get a block. The ANI report showed the level of feeling in the community. His behaviour today was just farcical. Feel free to ignore this but he might just listen to you and its for his own good. --Snowded ^TALK 21:24, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Howdy Jeanne. All I request, is that you check out Snowded & Daicaregos' comments towards me, at the talkpage of First Minister of Wales. -- GoodDay (talk) 04:06, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

GoodDay, I like you a lot; you often provide much needed humour in an occasionally heavy atmosphere. And you have often displayed a keen insight regarding possible alternative histories such as JD Tippit having been involved in the JFK assassination and Henry VI choosing to commit suicide. Those opinions show wisdom and deep thought. However, when it comes to English, Welsh, Irish, Scottish issues, you tend to display an obstinate streak which can and does exasperate other editors. For instance, your stance on Taoiseach. As someone who had an Irish father and still holds Irish residency (despite currently living in Italy), I found your comments to have been more offensive than the snarling anti-Irish rhetoric one normally hears from people such as Johnny Adair. I'm not saying you are not entitled to your personal opinions-indeed we all have them- but remember we are a community comprising diverse political persuasions, beliefs, nationalities, and we operate through consensus otherwise there would be chaos on virtually every article at Wikipedia. I see no point in deliberately swimming in rough seas thereby antagonising other editors when you could be sailing along in calm waters enjoying a good rapport with your fellow Wikipedians. As I said before I like you, but I also like and respect Daicaregos and Snowded. We are all here to build an encyclopedia. Why not work together in harmony (Sorry if that sounds like a barefoot-hippy-at-Woodstock 1960s song--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:26, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Dai antagonized me with he comment of my 'first' page move. Then Snowded suggested I was a either a drunk or just plain stupid (after I reverted). They shouldn't be attacking me on those public talkpages & through their 'edi summaries'. I used to be a happy bloke, but Dai & Snowy continue to poke & provoke me, via stalking, harrassment & constant ABF. They treat me like dirt, on thos public pages. GoodDay (talk) 07:53, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

One of the problems with GD, on British-related topics, is that in making edits and comments he often claims to be motivated by "common sense". As many of us know, if the UK constitution and terminology were ever determined on the basis of "common sense", it would look very different from the way it actually is - and WP deals with the world as it is, not as any of us think it should be. These questions of language and constitution are often very complicated, confusing, and at the same time often contentious - all the more reason for any editor to use verifiable references when addressing them, even on talk pages, rather than just putting down thoughts off the top of their head based on what they think is "common sense". If GD were to acknowledge that, and if at all possible steer clear of these contentious (yet sometimes apparently minor) issues, rather than asserting his opinion at every opportunity, those editors who take the job of creating a better encyclopedia more seriously would not get so irritated. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:49, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I do mess up at times. But, Snowded & Daicaregos shouldn't be attacking me on those articles. Snowded's suggestion of my being drunk or stupid & Daicaregos' suggestions of me being childish; wasn't helping matters. GoodDay (talk) 16:52, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

You could try counting to 10 (or 50) before clicking "Edit page". Or avoiding contentious areas - or both. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:56, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

If eveybody avoided the contentious areas of Wikipedia, the project would become stale. Dai & Snow, have gotta stop attacking me. They're only hurting their own standings, if they persist. GoodDay (talk) 17:01, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Just like there are certain neighbourhoods that are best avoided, there are ccertain Wikipedia articles that it would be wiser to stay away from if your edits provoke strife and harsh words all-round.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:07, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

If Snow, Dai or anyone else are that determined to keep me away from those article? They'll have to get community backed restriction against me. GoodDay (talk) 17:15, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Sigh....... Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:30, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

GoodDay, as I said on your talkpage, you need to lighten up, man.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:21, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm not gonna be handcuffed by a tiny group of devolutionists. I'll continue making corrections on those articles, where required. GoodDay (talk) 19:40, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I've seen you use this term a lot and am intrigued by what you mean as devolutionists. What you really need to understand is that devolution is a UK policy of devolving power to the various bits of the UK. Corrections on those articles I fear is something you are not able to do because, unfortunately, sadly, you are very much misinformed of British/Irish affairs. Please take Jeanne's, Snowded's and Ghmyrtle's advice and put the proverbial sock in it. You are not doing you yourself any good. Just step back--give it a rest and get more sleep. Wikipedia should not be a crutch for real life. --Bill Reid | (talk) 20:50, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Anyone looking for an example of GoodDay's predilection for flaming need only look here. Having only just struck some false personal attacks (without apology, I note. And after I allowed him what I thought was the last word too) resulting from GoodDay's own disgraceful conduct at the article (David Haye), he posts some throwaway, insensitive comment based on, on … well nothing, of course. How typycally maddening and unconstructive. How typycally GoodDay. I am sorry to say that his is a hopeless case. I admire your optimism, Jeanne, but I think your time would be better spent … anywhere. You can lead a horse to water ... Daicaregos (talk) 21:44, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for trying Jeanne. Looking at this at GoodDay's talk page he is suffering from two delusional beliefs. The first is that he is being persecuted for taking a NPOV position and the second is that people are trying to drive him away from articles. I've told him repeatedly that all people want him to do is edit in a mature and responsible way. Ghmyrtle's summary above is a good one and its pretty typical that GoodDay shows no evidence of even listening to him. I've gone through three stages on this. In the first I generally defended him as being well intentioned if foolish. However as conflicts died down on several articles he started to be more provocative (hence the belief of several that he is a conflict junkie) and I started to try on his talk page and elsewhere to get him to modify his behaviour. That resulted in several promises to change, but practice did not follow promise and we got increasingly petty minded and plain silly actions such as those on First Minister yesterday so the language got a bit stronger. However that hasn't worked. If anything it seems to have driven GoodDay into a place where the delusional beliefs dominate all his responses. I think Bill's final sign off on a "crutch for life" is probably the truth of it. I think we are now in a position where its up to GoodDay. I'm giving up on attempts to influence him to (i) stop leaving scatter gun and repetitious opinions on talk pages (ii) Do some basic research before he makes an edit and (iii) stop provoking conflict by illformed statements masquerading under the title of "common sense". From now on I think we just have to deal with this on articles as it comes up, but keep records of the disruption if it continues. It is low level and will not (and should not) have generated an ANI report. The next stage if things don't change is an RfC. --Snowded ^TALK 07:06, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

The sad thing is that, the longer this goes on without any sign that GD is modifying his attitude and behaviour, the more people are going to be monitoring his every edit - and that shouldn't be something that it's necessary to do. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:16, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Compounded by the odd editor who find his disruption useful and encourage the behaviour/delusion. Ah well, lets see what happens --Snowded ^TALK 08:28, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

The thing GoodDay needs to realise is this: nobody is attempting to strong-arm him away from articles, he's just being asked to modify his behaviour and editing style. Let me defend GoodDay here by pointing out his positive assets which can and should be put to use at Wikipedia. OK, he's basically a kind-hearted person who is not uncivil nor does he resort to swearing. He often provides (as I noted above) keen insights into motives, possible suspects, etc. He has a great sense of humour which is often employed to lighten a frequently heavy atmosphere. However, he does possess a perversely obstinate streak which manifested itself a while back on the James I of England article when I was compelled to reverse his edit. GoodDay, you do recall when you pipelinked Mary, Queen of Scots to Mary I on the infobox and in the lead? This was long after there had been consensus on Mary's talk page to leave her article with the title of her Common Name rather than moving it to Mary I of Scotland which you happened to support. Well you later went around to all the Mary-related articles such as that of her son, her father, etc and pipelinked to Mary I, not noticing that throughout these articles she was named Mary, Queen of Scots, thus creating confusion and inconsistency. When I reverted you, you went back and added of Scotland to Mary I. Another editor restored the original Mary, Queen of Scots version. Your behaviour on that occasion pissed me off. So did your stance on Taoiseach after it had been pointed out by numerous editors it was an Irish loan word used by Irish people when speaking and writing English.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:50, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

So I mess up sometimes. In future, if a familiar face (moniker) reverts an edit of mine? I'll just leave it be. GoodDay (talk) 14:58, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

We ALL mess up sometimes. That James I edit was the only time I ever reverted an edit made by you, GoodDay.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:02, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I pipe-linked it as Mary I, to make it consistant with Charles I. It wasn't 'cuz I prefer the page at Mary I of Scotland. GoodDay (talk) 15:05, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

(resp to Dai) At the First Minister of Wales article. I mis-read Dai post as opposing my page move & so reverted it. Note, I was the one who moved the page & so there was no RM war. GoodDay (talk) 15:09, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

You reverted without bothering to do even the most basic of research. You then moved the article prematurely when a discussion had been opened up on the talk page as to a possible move. You then moved it back without really checking the conversation; that made it fairly clear there was no opposition. Basically you reacted in each case, you did not either read the discussion page or do the most basic of research that would have been done by any experienced editor before taking action. As suggested above, count to 50 before pressing the edit button. --Snowded ^TALK 15:43, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

The attacks one me, at that article's talkpage, didn't help matters. You & Dai, should 'atleast' admit to going OTT. GoodDay (talk) 15:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Straw that broke the camel's back GoodDay and I trimmed back my first comments before pressing the save page button. I didn't say you were drunk by the way, I said that if you had been it would be an excuse and all could be forgiven. --Snowded ^TALK 16:05, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

When amongst those articles, we 3 must learn to control our emotions. GoodDay (talk) 16:08, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

We're all human thus prone to letting our emotions lead us to say things when one is irate. Now how should we proceed from here?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:11, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I prefer to avoid those article's-in-question talkpages, but in the FMofW situation, I had no choice. Anyways, whenever 1 of us 3 'comments on the contributor' - the offending editor, should be immediately reminded not to do so & then 'scratch' out such a comment - this extents to 'edit summaries'. GoodDay (talk) 16:14, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

For example: At Wikipedia:Nationality of people from the United Kingdom, I made an edit which I considered consistant with the topic's section heading. Snowded reverted me, with a edit-summary that ABF - He shouldn't have added "...as GoodDay knows only to well". GoodDay (talk) 16:27, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Typical, the inclusion of "constituent" has been raised many times on many articles and you have lost each one, based on evidence painfully assembled by several editors. You then gratuitously introduce what you know will be provocative without discussing it on the talk page. Comment was fully justified and neither that comment or the one on First Minister were emotional. I thought about then before I placed them. The solution to edit summaries you don't like GoodDay, is to think about edits before pressing the button, doing some basic research before forming a position and using the talk page for substantive comments not repeated statements of unsupported GoodDay "common sense".--Snowded ^TALK 16:34, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Either way, I am repeating comments about the way you edit that I have made before, and which have been supported and extended by many others. If you don't want to listen that is your affair, I'm done with the attempt to reason with you. Read Matthew 7:16; it indicates the way forward through the way you edit. If it doesn't change then sooner or later an RfC will be the only way forward. To be very clear, from now on I am keeping records of all examples that occur on pages I watch and I am pretty sure others are to. --Snowded ^TALK 16:39, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

The fact that your responses are longer & more emotional (including renewed threats of an Rfc/U), shows I've struck guilt on your part. I'm not asking for an apology. I'm merely pointing out that you're not totally innocent. As for "Matthew 7:16"? I'm an atheist, so I've little time to read fictional books. GoodDay (talk) 16:47, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

RfC is not a threat, its simply the only route forward when an editor doesn't listen; especially when they get severely delusional (your first sentence). My mother who was an atheist brought her children up to read the bible, she maintained( rightly) that otherwise we would have no understanding of western literature. Finding time to understand things and research them is part of being a good editor, dismissing them is not.

Jeanne - sorry to have brought it here. I am afraid that GoodDay is incorrigible, obstinate and has never read Matthew 7:5. The log is simply too big and there is no point in continuing with this. I have persevered with multiple attempts to explain the issue but its going no where. To quote Henry Ward Beecher “The difference between perseverance and obstinacy is that one often comes from a strong will, and the other from a strong won't.” Neither my will not my flesh are willing to continue a conversation with an editor who has locked himself into state where he sees himself as a martyr--Snowded ^TALK 17:09, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

We obviously have irreconcilable differances. GoodDay (talk) 17:16, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Problem is you have irreconcilable differences with many editors. Start listening to what you're being told before it is too late. You are pushing the bubble to the point that is bound to burst very soon. It's up to you. --Bill Reid | (talk) 17:28, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't wish to sound abrupt GoodDay, but the ball is now firmly in your court. It's up to you how to play it.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:58, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I will continue to make corrections at those articles when required. However, if corrections are reverted, I won't dispute the reverts & will just continue forward. GoodDay (talk) 18:02, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

The one who has gotten raw deal is GoodDay. His edits were well within the rules and customs of Wikipedia. His edits, while described as disruptive, in essence were not. They were well within the limits of conduct. What has happened to GoodDay however, is definitely outside the bounds of good conduct. A group of editors (with similiar political beliefs) got together to try and black ball GoodDay. This group is lead by a bully, and frankly has committed conduct unbecoming against the basic tenets of Wikipedia. The editor GoodDay is not the problem. He is the victim of the problem. The bully, and his followers are the problem. (by Silent in Ontario). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.240.226.125 (talk) 19:36, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

The above IP is obviously editing through a proxy but looks as if Loxley is back. GD, Don't you see that if you make "corrections" that are reverted then the fault will lie with either you or the editor who reverts and from past experience, 99% of the time the fault will lie with you. This will mean more than you just saying "if corrections are reverted, I won't dispute the reverts & will just continue forward." Do you actually think that editors are going to allow you to disrupt the project ad infinitum? If you do you are very much mistaken. This WILL be seen as unacceptable behaviour and you may very well find yourself in a position where you may not be able to edit-- ever! So take heed and edit responsibly and you'll be ok but people really are tiring. Bill Reid | (talk) 19:44, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm not gonna edit-war on an article 'if' my corrections are reverted. I'll merely let the revert stand & move on. PS- you haven't being doing much editing lately, but rather just popping in to kick me. GoodDay (talk) 19:50, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

To Bill Reid, do you not see the aggressive stance in your posting? Perhaps you may want to review the customs of civility here at Wikipedia. Just a thought. (by Silent in Ontario). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.240.226.125 (talk) 19:57, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

GoodDay, I'm trying to help you here. Please re-think your approach. As far as editing is concerned, my style is to do my editing either completely off line or in my user space, and then transfer to article space. Check my contributions to see my edit patterns. My next upload will be on a Lord of the Isles which is well advanced. -Bill Reid | (talk) 20:44, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

To Bill Reid, perhaps you could stop cooperating with the bully, and his group of followers that gang up on GoodDay. Additionally, I am not GoodDay, nor am I this Loxley. What I am is someone who does don't like seeing a group of editors harrass a single editor for no good reason. Talk to GoodDay politely, lest you piss me off. This is a gentle request. (by Silent in Ontario) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.240.226.125 (talk) 21:02, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm not trying to cause a disturbance in the force. My 'correction edits' include fixing spelling mistakes. GoodDay (talk) 20:58, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello GoodDay, disturbance in the force? Well Anakin Skywalker did get things done. Anyways, I do not want to make anything worse for you. I am just frustrated with with the bully, and his followers giving you a hard time, when your edits were fair and above board. Anyways I'll go silent again, I need to build my red lightsaber (where did I put that hydrospanner?). Take care (by Silent in Ontario) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.240.226.125 (talk) 21:46, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

No probs & thanks for the support. GoodDay (talk) 22:27, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

GoodDay, part 2

GoodDay, I am also supporting you, as well as giving you constructive advice.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:51, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

I shall now commence to give you some more of the latter. Your UK-related edits last night were not in the least bit helpful, in fact, they were pointless and unnecessary. Once upon a time at the beach a very good-looking young lifeguard was beside me, flexing his muscles for my benefit, as he was aware I was watching him. Your edits were done with the same purpose: to flex your muscles. You knew that the articles already stated that they were part of the UK, making it superfluous to add that Monarch of the United Kingdom to the infoboxes on those four articles.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 11:31, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

On a positive note, just so you don't think I'm a harbinger of gloom and doom, the motion to move Frederick I, Holy Roman Emperor to Frederick Barbarossa thankfully failed!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:47, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank goodness. GoodDay (talk) 14:59, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Why do we have David Cameron's position on the 4 articles as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom instead of just Prime Minister? I'll tell ya why - so readers won't think he's the PM of England, PM of Wales, PM of Scotland or PM of Northern Ireland. He's PM over those 4 constituent countries, but not PM of them respectively. GoodDay (talk) 14:56, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Ya'll should stop & think, before describing my changes as pointless. Ya'll gotta think 'outside' the box. GoodDay (talk) 14:59, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

But GD, those articles are heavily edited by multiple editors; surely if United Kingdom was necessary after Monarch in the infoxes it would have been added long before now, no?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:03, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

The addition "...of the United Kingdom" clarifies the monarchy status. It would help end calls for it's removal from those 4 articles infoboxes (which I personally support). We do this for Cameron, why not for Elizabeth II? GoodDay (talk) 15:06, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Are the infoboxes not comprehensive enough to readers or do you think they need to reiterate United Kingdom over and over like a written mantra?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:11, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

They need to do it for the 'Monarch' entry or delete the 'Monarch' entry. GoodDay (talk) 15:20, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Why?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:24, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

'Cuz she appears in the infobox as 'Monarch of England', 'Monarch of Scotland', 'Monarch of Wales' & 'Monarch of Northern Ireland'. GoodDay (talk) 15:30, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

But it's already established in the infofox that these nations are part of the United Kingdom.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:32, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

So why do we use "...of the United Kingdom" for the UK Prime Minster? GoodDay (talk) 15:36, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Take Northern Ireland for example which has a First Minister - Peter Robinson. In Cameron's case we need to make it clear he's the PM of the UK not just Northern Ireland. With the Queen there's no such problem as there's only one monarch.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:41, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

I fully agree, Cameron's entry should be -Prime Minister of the United Kingdom-, so people won't think he's Prime Minister of Northern Ireland. Elizabeth II is Monarch over Northern Ireland, not of Northern Ireland. GoodDay (talk) 15:44, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Why not just leave things the way they are. You are creating problems where none exist.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:47, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

If we all feared progression & improving the 'pedia? where would the 'pedia be today. I've shown my reasons for my edits at those 4 articles talkpages, there's little else for me to add. So I'll let other decide wheter those changes should stay or not. GoodDay (talk) 15:53, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. It can be discussed on each article's respective talk pages.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:11, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Meanwhile, certainly my avoiding the 're-direct' (take a peek) is acceptable. The linking article is at Monarchy of the United Kingdom, not British monarchy. GoodDay (talk) 15:59, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand why it was redirected to British monarchy in the first place when United Kingdom is far more appropriate?!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:11, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Somehow, I get the feeling that Snowded will 'revert' those aswell. I'm disappointed by the apparent rejection of my 4 article edits. It regrettable widens the gulf between myself & some British editors. Perhaps it's an Old World/New World thing. GoodDay (talk) 16:25, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

GoodDay, please don't invent an intercontinental feud where none exists! I'm American (a plastic paddy to be precise) and nobody rejects my edits on Troubles-related articles or English noble ladies/royalty.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:43, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

I didn't mean you. PS: There's an IP at the Scotland talkpage, trying to bait me. GoodDay (talk) 16:46, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't rise to it. Remember what I told you: you're not a needle on a compass pointed in the direction of United Kingdom-related articles.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:53, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Atleast there's some improvements on Snowded's behaviour. He described my changes only as pointless, in his revert summary. They weren't pointless, but at least he didn't go overboard & comment on me. GoodDay (talk) 16:57, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

I've gotten over my angry spell. Everybody is welcomed (once more) to my User-talkpage. GoodDay (talk) 04:55, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

That's the way I like it, uh uh uh uh....that's the way uh uh uh uh I like it........--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:09, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Message from BMSprint

I'm contacting you because I wanted to talk to you about your 'monarchist' userbox. We can talk back and forth, edit my user talk page here I am just curious about the different reasons people on Wikipedia identify as monarchists! BMSprint (talk) 20:38, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

A storm is threatening.....

Thunder and lightning are the scheduled afternoon events where I am, so my PC will have to be shut down to avoid a Krakatoa. What a drag...I hate storms.......They ruin everything!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:49, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

It came last night! And how. The whole house shook with the force of the thunder-the storm was directly overhead. Krakatoa was the right metaphor to describe last night. Wow!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:14, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Robert McConnell (loyalist)

Orlady (talk) 02:03, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:37, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

I do recall that Washington turned the tile of King now. The Kennedys were much more symbolic, few ever seriously proposed changing the system. But those are definately good points, it ties the heritage of a nation together and just the sense of being ornate... it's a good thing. BMSprint (talk) 21:32, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Ancestry

Re: this. Hiya cuz :) Daicaregos (talk) 19:35, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

LOL. My Cornish ancestry comes from this guy, and my mother's maternal grandmother always referred to herself as a Welshwoman, which I believe comes from her Brooks line. My mum's paternal grandmother was French.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:10, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Duw, we're practically 1st cousins. Daicaregos (talk) 08:07, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Have you Brooks ancestors? Do you know that Keith Richards paternal ancestors were Welsh?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:08, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

No Brooks. But I have Welsh and French ancestry (Huguenot & Breton, separately). Richards is a Welsh surname. Do you plan to alter his article's nationality - do you have a source? Daicaregos (talk) 08:14, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't have a source. Another editor added it plus his maternal French Hugeunot ancestry but it has since been reversed. Probably by one of the anti-ethnicity crusaders. I once added sourced info regarding Lee Harvey Oswald's ancestry including the fact that one of his great-grandmothers was an Irish immigrant. Guess what? Someone removed it.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:17, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Shame. I find it interesting. I guess others would too. Oh well. Daicaregos (talk) 08:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

What pisses me off is that ethnicity listing is not consistent. For instance Keith Richards who is far more important in the history of music had his ethnicity removed, yet my former schoolmate (she was definely not my friend as we couldn't stand one another) has her ancestry listed in detail. Oh well we are in Wikipedialand.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:26, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

James II

Hi Jeanne. Given your knowledge of British monarchs, I was wondering if you could take a look at my comment at Talk:James II of England. I assume some form of vandalism is at play, but you never know. Thanks!! Joefromrandb (talk) 19:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

It appears another editor has already cleared it up. Quite interesting. Joefromrandb (talk) 20:08, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

.It is interesting. I had never heard the nickname before!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:02, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Peter Cleary

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 10:14, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. It is much appreciated.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:34, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Talk:United Kingdom

Any reason why you haven't expressed a view yet on Dai's proposal there? Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:52, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't aware he had made one. I'll go check it out now. Thanks for informing me.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:55, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

As promised

I promised to let you know when I'd finished my latest article. Well, here it is: Timothy Everest. I stumbled across it while working on List of Welsh people. It consisted of direct copies from articles found on newspapers, magazines and websites, and so had to be completely re-written. I found it even harder than writing an article from scratch! If you have the time, would you mind looking at it for me? Please let me know what you think - the usual stuff; all constructive criticism welcome. Or just pile in and make improvements. Cheers Jeanne, Daicaregos (talk) 14:37, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Will do, Dai.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:45, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello, Jeanne boleyn

Hello, Ms. Jeanne boleyn, I an Jim856796. I am also fascinated by the photos you are depicted in at the 1970s in fashion article. I hope I get to know you better so we can get to do some editing projects together in the future. Jim856796 (talk) 09:40, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Why thank you, Jim. I'd like that very much.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:41, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Crusading morons

Thanks to the air strikes against Libya which are going on at the moment, myself and my children, due to our location on the eastern half of Sicily, have been put in grave danger from retaliatory missiles by Quadaffi. Sarkozy, Obama, Berlusconi, what the fuck are you playing at?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wise up di.kheads, this ain't 1190, and none of you are Richard the Lion Heart.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:31, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Fear not, Quadaffi shant do Italy harm. The Libyan dictator's days are numbered. GoodDay (talk) 18:37, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Now I realise why so many fighter jets were flying overhead in the last month.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:46, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Quadaffi will be out of there, before April 2011. GoodDay (talk) 18:48, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

These types are very hard to make leave. He was so quiet, I thought he died years ago. And if he does leave, what happens next? Raul17 (talk) 03:43, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Until recently, I thought Quadaffi was a wax figure from that Madame's place. GoodDay (talk) 14:16, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Incentives

Thanks for your comments at Timothy Everest. Your support is much appreciated. It's a terrible disincentive to write articles, when crap like that happens (and when trolls jump on the bandwagon). I can't understand why someone would do that. Any ideas? Daicaregos (talk) 15:26, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

The same IP has been busy adding non-notability tags and copyright vio tags to a series of articles. I have noticed at Wikipedia there's a lot of professional envy lurking about. You happen to be a very good as well as thorough writer; there are a lot of wannabees in the world. Anyroad, I didn't think an IP was allowed to place such a template on an article.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:30, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure Jeanne. I may raise the issue at a noticeboard. Not sure which one though. Daicaregos (talk) 15:56, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

"...when trolls jump on the bandwagon"? GoodDay (talk) 15:37, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

That's right GoodDay, "...when trolls jump on the bandwagon". I meant you. Your edit at Talk:Timothy Everest was nothing other than trolling; taking the opportunity to call him British. There was absolutely no reason for you to make your comment. Pathetic GoodDay, even by your 'standards'. Please think twice before providing us with your opinions, which only confirm your ignorance - and then don't. Daicaregos (talk) 15:56, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

He's not British? GoodDay (talk) 15:58, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

You really want to discuss that here? Daicaregos (talk) 16:00, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

What's to discuss? Wales is within the United Kingdom, thus he's British. GoodDay (talk) 16:05, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

GoodDay, have we not discussed this before to the point of sheer exhaustion? If you want a list of people who personally identified as and are considered British (and in most cases rather forcefully asserted their right to remain so) here it is: Robin Jackson, Ian Paisley, Billy Hanna, John McMichael, Andy Tyrie, Davy Payne, Harris Boyle, Lenny Murphy, Billy Wright (loyalist), Johnny Adair, Peter Robinson, Robert McConnell (loyalist), Robert Bates, William Marchant (loyalist), Michael Stone, James Craig (loyalist), James Mitchell. It's a fairly long list which should make you happy.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:13, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm not calling for that article's intro to be changed. I will continue to describe these people as British & there's nothing Daicaregos can do about it. GoodDay (talk) 16:21, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Your post noting that you'd "never heard of that British fellow." just betrayed your ignorance on so many levels. You had no reason to post there and, as usual, had nothing of interest to say. Please stop trolling. Daicaregos (talk) 16:26, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

You're boring me, again. GoodDay (talk) 16:30, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

GD, why not carry out a simple test. Ask people (whose surnames are either English, Scottish or Welsh) you are personally acquainted with what their ancestry is; I guarantee you nobody will answer British. Nobody in the USA gives his or her ancestry as British.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:00, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Wales isn't a sovereign state, therefore I'll continue to describe him as British. GoodDay (talk) 17:11, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)You had no good reason to describe him as anything. There is no reason to state here that Wales isn't a sovereign state. You know very well that we are both aware of that. Please stop trolling. Daicaregos (talk) 17:18, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Only Jeanne can stop me here (as it's her talkpage). On the public talkpages? I can use the discriptive British if I want & there's nothing you can do about it, Daicaregos. GoodDay (talk) 19:08, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

But it's nation, therefore Everest is of Welsh nationality while holding British citizenship.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:14, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

I can still describe him as British, if I so choose (and I choose to). GoodDay (talk) 19:10, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

As usual, you completely ignore any argument and simply (and I use the word purposefully) give your opinion. Jeanne, may I ask that you request GoodDay to stop trolling here, as it seems he is prepared to respond to you. As far as the Timothy Everest comment is concerned: I have made the point several times that your comment at that page was so completely unnecessary that no reasonable person would construe it as anything other than trolling. If I am mistaken and there is some reason other than trolling that you would post that you'd "never heard of that British fellow." there, please say what it was. Daicaregos (talk) 19:57, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

I never heard of the guy before & for a moment, thought the IP had a point in deleting the article. GoodDay (talk) 20:04, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

You posted "I've never heard of that British fellow. But, I'll leave it up to you folks.", rather than the "I've never heard of that British fellow. And I think the IP has a point in deleting the article (even though I haven't bothered to read it, or even to look at the reference sources, before offering my opinion)" that would be more in keeping with your explanation. Nevertheless, that doesn't explain why you felt the need to highlight your opinion as to his nationality. If I am mistaken and there is some reason other than trolling that you would post that you'd "never heard of that British fellow." there, please say what it was. Daicaregos (talk) 20:19, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Your emotional reaction to my usage of British, is OTT. If you wish to seek a censurship of its usage on bio talkpages about people from Wales? then you've got your work cut out for you. GoodDay (talk) 20:35, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

So I wasn't mistaken then. Thought not. Please stop trolling. Daicaregos (talk) 22:28, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

You must learn to control your passions. GoodDay (talk) 23:27, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

GoodDay, when you said "I never heard of that British fellow", it was done only to bait Daicaregos. As I hava already said before a person's notability is established by providing independent secondary and third sources that refer to the subject and the impact he or she has had in their particular sphere. Timothy Everest meets this criteria, which you would have realised had you bothered to check out the sources. You admit yourself that was not the case. Why? Where was your widely promulgated stance against IPs yesterday? Surely the mere fact that an IP had the temerity to question an article's notability should have made you automatically reject his opinion. Instead you took the opportunity not only to question the article itself (only on the basis of your unfamiliarity with the subject), but to also provoke Dai by referring to Everest as "that British fellow". How was that relevent to the issue at hand?!!! It was a complete non sequitur as we weren't discussing his nationality, but rather his notability which had been established throughout the article-that should have been read before an opinion was hastily fired off. I have to say that your dogmatic refusal to accept the fact that nationality and citizenship are two separate things (especially in regards to the UK) is becoming tiresome. Sorry to sound harsh, but editors need to band together against disruptive IPs who wish to undo the laborious construction of this encyclopedia by content editors such as Daicaregos and myself. Your siding with an IP disillusioned me quite a bit.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:15, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Why would Daicaregos be baited by the usage of British on an article talkpage? Also, I've already sided with you & Dai on the article. I'm not infavour of it being deleted. GoodDay (talk) 15:36, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

A favour

Hi Jeanne, Would you do me a favour: nominate Alfred Janes for WP:Did You Know for me? I've expanded it from 1901 bytes to 11346 bytes (a 5 times expansion since 20 March). It is the last day for nomination under the DYK criteria today. I had hoped to have added significantly more by now, but as you can see, I didn't. Many thanks, Daicaregos (talk) 11:19, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

No problem. As soon as I finish lunch, I'll nominate it. What do you want the hook to say?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 11:30, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK request

Hello, I've noticed that you've been doing some cleaning up of the older nominations at DYK and I was wondering, could you review The Avenue nomination for me please? I'm only asking because since the day I nominated it (9 March) it recived one comment about the original hook not being suitible so I created an alternate but since then I've heard nothing in any form of feedback on it and I'd like to get it promoted as my 1st DYK on the main page. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 13:08, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations. It's now good to go!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:44, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Historical political figure

An American historical political figure has passed on today. The first woman to be the Vice Presidential nominee of a major political party, or for that matter the first woman to be on a major party presidential ticket, in the United States. Geraldine Ferraro (1935-2011). GoodDay (talk) 20:22, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

My God, she's the second death, I wonder who'll be the third?!!!! Celebrity deaths are like plane crashes-they come in threes.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 20:39, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

I've often heard about this '3' thing & that it was connected to the 3 crucifixtions. GoodDay (talk) 20:53, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Who was your "first", Jeanne? Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:10, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Elizabeth Taylor died the other day. Anyway, I can't believe the edit-warring that has broken out just because I suggested the need for more female representation regarding images.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:19, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Ah yes, her. The problem is with those editors who pop up from time to time and insist that their view of the world is the only correct one. See also (different editor) Talk:Guy Fawkes Night.!!! Very frustrating and timewasting, and if it puts people like me off contributing (for example, I don't want to start an article off on Bonfire Night because I know it will be "claimed" by PoD and his cronies), heaven knows what it must seem like to new GF editors. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:35, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

I know what you mean. A while back an editor implied Wikipedia was not for me, while another one told me I was incapable of constructing a gramatically-correct sentence. Oh well..... I was also chased off the Keith Richards article, which is hilarious seeing as I've been a fan of Keith probably longer than the article's owner has been on this earth. Rock articles are the worst for editors' assuming ownership. Ironically, I get little interference or edit-warring on the Troubles-related articles I am currently working on.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:14, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Surely you mean "grammatically-correct". Tsk tsk.  ;-) Btw, I happened - quite by chance - to walk past Brian Jones' grave the other day. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:20, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Oops, I had a GoodDay there! (Just joking GD). I visited Brian Jones grave back in 1979 and I even took photos. I was surprised how seemingly neglected it was, no flowers, memorials, nothing. The caretaker located it for me. It was a drizzly day and I was the only person in the cemetery.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:27, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

There were plenty of flowers there last weekend - pretty much like this in fact, but with added beer bottles and fag ends. Interesting that he was buried especially deep to avoid grave-robbers, much as Tutankhamun was! Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:44, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

The beer bottle wasn't there when I visited it! I suppose the film Stoned helped renew interest in Brian Jones.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:53, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Tommy Lyttle

Hello! Your submission of Tommy Lyttle at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:59, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

I have since commented and proposed an alternative hook.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:10, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to mess you about, but I have raised another point. If you agree, would you please offer a new complete hook as an ALT1? Many thanks. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:26, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

I just did. Sorry I was rather vague in having described Lyttle as a leader when the UDA's overall leader was Andy Tyrie. The media, however often refer to local brigadiers such as Lyttle as leaders or commanders, probably because (according to Peter Taylor) Tyrie offered the UDA brigadiers relative autonomy in the areas under their command.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:30, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Alfred Janes

Thanks Jeanne, Daicaregos (talk) 13:24, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:33, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, an interesting British artist. GoodDay (talk) 15:53, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

GoodDay, why are you throwing petrol bombs on my talk page?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:56, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Giggle giggle. GoodDay (talk) 15:58, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

No need to display your ignorance GoodDay. Everyone knows already. Daicaregos (talk) 14:25, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Alfred Janes

The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again Jeanne. Daicaregos (talk) 14:25, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. I hope you liked my hook. I wanted it to include Dylan Thomas.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:28, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Just the job, Jeanne,just the job. I just checked the traffic (here). On a normal day (not when I was working on it, or when it was going through DYK), you would expect around only seven or eight page views. When it was on DYK there were nearly 400. Around a 5,000% increase. Blimey. The lure of Dylan Thomas? Daicaregos (talk) 14:39, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

I had correctly assumed Dylan Thomas would rope them in! Yesterday I nominated one of my latest rogues Tommy Lyttle as a DYK. I used James Bond as bait!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:47, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Good luck with it Jeanne. Daicaregos (talk) 14:57, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. It's been passed. I had to clear up a few issues, but they've since been resolved.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:59, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

RE:Sockpuppetry

Yes. We are one and the same! After all the BS with certain Great British editors, I had to create another id! I probably would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those damn meddling kids!--BadNight (talk)

You as well?! My God this is getting positively Orwellian!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:20, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Lady Latimer, Catherine Parr

I added the section of ==Lady Latimer== to Catherine Parr's page. Feel free to edit it. It's pretty thorough and may be too long and drawn out, but in reality that's how much I could condense of her life as Lady Latimer. There is plenty more that could have been added, but I really tried to summarize it best I could. Let me know. -- Lady Meg (talk) 06:07, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

It's well-written, but too lengthy in parts. It could do with a slight trimming. There are statements which also need citations. Overall, it's a useful section highlighting an obscure period of her life. Nice work.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:35, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Happy Wiki-Birthday to Jeanne Boleyn!!!!!!

As an editor, I am 3 years old today. Happy Birthday to me!!!!!!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:12, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Yay! Huh. There's a cake for you on this page somewhere, but I can't get it to display right. It's there somewhere though, if you look for it. Grrr.  ;-) Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:44, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

How could I ever miss it? It's georgeous. Thank you ever so much!!!!!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:02, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Happy Wikibirthday! ~Asarlaí 11:54, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 11:55, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Happy THIRD anniversary of your Wiki-Birthday, Jeanne. GoodDay (talk) 17:08, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Just think three whole years at Wikipedia and not one punitive block (knock on wood!!!!!)--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:12, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

note

I removed a question and your response at one of the ref desks, as the OP was obviously a sock of "Light current", or doing a good imitation. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 10:10, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

No problem. I thought the OP's question was trollish, but out of innate kindness, I gave him the benefit of the doubt. AGF and all that!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:26, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

A beauty revised

Hi, there is a message for you at User_talk:Sarah777 to which the following images relate. I made a revision to your TSBD photo, however to present them may be an issue as there is a technical issue with image serving at Mediawiki currently. Click the image name if you can't see it. Here you are, strawberry blonde?, and I regret any misunderstanding there may have been concerning natural beauty and Catholicism. Ciao. Sswonk (talk) 16:58, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

With a little rotation and cropping

Thanks Sswonk, your revision looks good!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:09, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. Added a header for Daicaregos below, things were shuffled a bit on the page. Sswonk (talk) 01:08, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

The Miami Showband

I've started an article on the band themselves, so link it in wherever you like - it needs more work but I'll try to get back to it in the next few days. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:40, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Fantastic, Ghmyrtle!!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:46, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

No probs. :-) Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:08, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the DYK nomination! I don't nominate my own articles any more, since they introduced crazy new rules there, but if there's any of yours you ever want put forward, just let me know. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

I hope you like my hook. The refs I added to back it up are very reliable: one is from the Taylor book and the other is an article in the Sunday Business Post which can be accessed online. Last week I nominated one of my own and I had to spens quite a bit of time in search of an article to review. IMHO, this new rule is very counter-productive, as it discourages people who wish to see their articles on the Main Page, but might not have the time to go through the lengthy process.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:01, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Absolutely agree - and the skills needed to put an article together are not necessarily the same skills as the ones needed to review them. It hasn't stopped me starting new articles, it just means they don't get to go on the main page - which is no great loss to anyone really. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:07, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Ladies Hall

I assume you're the same as the User:Boleyn that has edited the Ladies Hall article? Either way, I thought you'd be interested in this (on loan from someone on WP:LIBRARY so I should get him to take it down within the next few hours) which suggests that the whole idea of it being a school is just Chinese whispers based on Nichols's supposition (p283-297). I'd be interested to know exactly what the source is that talks about a foundation in 1615 - Shapiro makes a half-decent case that this was just the queen's attendants putting on a show whilst the king was away. Le Deluge (talk) 15:48, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry but we're two different people. I am Jeanne boleyn.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:19, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Miami Showband Killings

I hope you didn't mind me making a slight edit to the article as I now see you are in the process of getting it to good article status. Carson101 (talk) 13:56, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Of course I don't mind. I appreciate your repairing the awkward sentence. Of course, if you read the articles on some of the perps you will see that they were perfectly capaple of launching an attack against a road, a tree, or anything else that was made up of matter. LOL. Thanks again.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:59, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Any time. Just shine the Carson sign in the sky and I'll come calling. :) Carson101 (talk) 15:21, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

WP:TPS here. Just love that image. Can you hear it?: F♭da da da da da da da da, da da da da da da da da, B ♯ Car-son. Daicaregos (talk) 15:35, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Excuse me for asking, but does your user name have anything to do with this Carson here?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:37, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

If it had any connection to a Carson it would be this one. I actually used it because it's a family name, though I do have Willie Carson to thank for helping me win a few bob from a Yankee bet a number of years ago. Did I hear you calling Dai? Now, where's my cape, I'm sure I left it in the bottom drawer. Carson101 (talk) 12:52, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Is it next to your tights?
Jeanne, that intro's been bugging me, so I had a crack at it. Feel free to revert if you prefer the previous version. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 15:19, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

To be frank, I didn't like the dash in the lead either (it was already there when I first started expanding the article). Your version is much more concise. Thanks!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:52, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Jeez! I can't picture myself in tights, I would frighten people to death rather than helping them.
I think your version (Dai's) of the intro is better than the previous one.
I just noticed Jeanne, a belated happy wiki third birthday. Carson101 (talk) 10:20, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Talking of Intros; the article has been expanded since the Intro was written. Might be worthwhile now, making sure all the salient points in the main text have been summarised in the Lead. Just a thought, it's a great article anyway. Daicaregos (talk) 12:47, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

I think all the key points have been summarised in the lead, unless I've missed something. What do you think?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:49, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

I feel like a bit of an outsider here, which is why I'm not sure I should barge in. I do feel the intro could perhaps go into more detail on the background to the killings? Carson101 (talk) 00:53, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Do you mean the political situation in Northern Ireland at the time?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:27, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

I followed your excellent suggestion and added a bit of background to the lead. I highlighted the loyalists fears of being sold out by the British government and forced into a united Ireland. How does it look?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:21, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

I made some changes to the Lead. Feel free to revert/improve. What do you think? Daicaregos (talk) 15:30, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

I like your changes very much. I think the lead now summarises all the salient points.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:50, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Glad you liked them. It will be interesting to see the comments of the GA reviewer. Hope it's one who knows their stuff. Daicaregos (talk) 15:08, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

You might want to reconsider some of the text. I have seen less NOPV statements than "Although Jackson was charged, he managed to avoid conviction.", but it was probably in the Daily Mail. :) Daicaregos (talk) 08:21, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

See you've amended. Still not sure about using "Although", it's not very NPOV. Was he acquitted, as in found "Not Guilty", or did he not come to trial? Daicaregos (talk) 09:27, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

See what the judge said about Jackson's fingerprints: Robin Jackson.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:40, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry Jeanne that I couldn't reply to your question from above. One reason why I retired when I was this this person was because I was far too busy, and combining that with very patchy access to the internet it does not make for a good combination. Hopefully the next time I make a point I can find the time to give you the reply you deserve. I do think the intro is a big improvement with the background information. Carson101 (talk) 14:48, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I'll take a back seat from making comments until I find the time to explain any questions put to me. I'll probably very slowly try and build up articles on Scottish theatres for now. Cheers, Jeanne. Carson101 (talk) 15:11, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Hot fun in the springtime

Jeanne Boleyn at the extreme tip of Sicily

Jeanne Boleyn in Marzamemi, beside an 18th century building

I took a day off yestersday. I went to a car meet in Pachino and afterwards visited the port of Marzamemi at the southern tip of Sicily. It was beautiful with lots of 18th-century buildings and fishermen's cottages. The weather was perfect: Hot, cloudless, blue sky, slight sea breeze blowing..... I needed a break from Robin Jackson and his merry men!!!!!!!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:38, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Sounds really lovely. It's nice to rediscover reality after prolonged bouts of Wiki madness. Daicaregos (talk) 08:03, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tommy Lyttle

The DYK project (nominate) 08:06, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:10, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Timothy Everest

I'm thinking of nominating Timothy Everest for Good Article. Do you think it's ready and would you like to undertake a peer review? Please say if you don't have time, or you'd rather not (you don't need to give a reason). Don't feel pressured, but it might be nice to take a break from writing and thinking about those evil nutters for a while. Please let me know. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 09:16, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I'll take a nice, long look at it this afternoon and give you my opinion. Knowing you and the quality of your work, though, I'd say it's worthy of a GA.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:42, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

As I said on your talk page, it definitely merits a GA. Go for it, Dai! And yes, I'll undertake a peer review as soon as you nominate it. The comments I'll place on the article's talk page.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 11:53, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I have a suggestion for that article's intro. GoodDay (talk) 13:49, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

It happens to look fine the way it is at the moment. What do you suggest be added?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:56, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Change Welsh to British, hahahahaha. GoodDay (talk) 15:34, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Three questions. Why am I not surprised? How does this improve the article? What are you playing at?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:36, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Wind up. When you get to a certain age you can see it from long long way off. Carson101 (talk) 15:39, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I like GoodDay, and joking is fine; however, a GA is serious business, requiring lots of hard work and concentration. Frivolous comments such as his are a distraction when one is attempting to write, review or edit a GAN. I admit I was pissed off reading it. For its figure 8-like repetition and poor timing.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:46, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't like or dislike GoodDay, it was just an observation. I think I'd be better sticking to working on my own adding my Scottish theatres to the wikipedia. All the best. Carson101 (talk) 15:53, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Hehehehehe. GoodDay (talk) 16:13, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't know what that Hehehehehe actually meant but I do hope you enjoyed it. Bye now. Carson101 (talk) 16:18, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Ya'll gotta lighten up. Dr Freeman's advice to the M*A*S*H 4077 members - "Ladies & gentlemen, take my advice. Pull down your pants & slide on the ice". GoodDay (talk) 16:22, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Gerry Adams Q

wasnt he an MEP at some point? I had a query with the Finland elections, but its pertinent here too, can someone be an MEP and MP?Lihaas (talk) 23:08, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Ian Paisley was both.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Mysterious illness

I see that Hosni Mubarak has come down with the Pinochet flue. It's a mysterious illness that hits aged former dictators, when they're about to face justice. GoodDay (talk) 22:06, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Stephen McKeag

The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Warrington bomb attacks

Another "Troubles-related" article for you to look at, if you hav the time to spare! ~Asarlaí 23:04, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

I remember when that happened- another horrific slaughter. I'll be glad to take a look at it.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:40, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Miami Showband killings

The article Miami Showband killings you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Miami Showband killings for things which need to be addressed. Jezhotwells (talk) 08:02, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Refs

Just having a crack at the references. I wasn't able to find the Arrow Books edition of God and the Gun: The Church and Irish Terrorism by Martin Dillon on Google Books. But I did find this. Would you please check the page numbers are correct for each ref, after I've linked each reference on the article to the bibliography (I'll let you know when I've finished). Thanks, Daicaregos (talk) 07:50, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

OK will do. Thanks, Dai.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:04, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

That one's done (see ref #7). Do you want me to let you know one at a time, or when I've finished? Also, if you have any questions on the formatting, please ask. Daicaregos (talk) 08:12, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Ref number seven is on page 59 in the Miami Showband section, however it's on page 58 in the allegatons section.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:20, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

There is only one ref from page 58 in God and the Church in Allegations section; the other three are all on page 59.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:26, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for The Miami Showband

The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Jeanne - haven't had a DYK for a while now that I stopped self-nominating. Hasn't stopped me starting articles though - surprised that you don't seem to feature in this...! (though well before your time, I know) Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:13, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

I missed that scene by just a couple of years! In 1967, I was far too young to hang out in Hollywood, yet old enough to have been aware of what was going on. Now if that film had been made in 1972 or 1973, I might have featured in it....who knows? It was my pleasure to nominate The Miami Showband for a DYK.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:34, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

I seem to be doing LA "characters" at the moment - here and here. The latter one rang me up a week or so ago! Amazing some of the things that happen through WP. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:41, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Ah...The Walker Brothers! They were brilliant. Is it true or an urban myth that The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore was playing on the jukebox in an East London pub during a Kray Twins gangster killing?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:45, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Good story - no idea if it's true or not though. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:54, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

GA

How is your target of a GA getting along, Jeanne? Carson101 (talk) 14:13, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

It's looking great now that Daicaregos has been fixing the refs for me. He's wonderful!!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:15, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

A friend in need eh! I know I can do lot's of things but also recognize there are other things I can't get my head around, that's just life in general. It's always nice to know there are friendly people out there that will always be willing to give a helping hand. Ahem! Looking back that sounded a little bit like sermon from the pulpit, but you know what I mean. :) Carson101 (talk) 14:30, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

No, you weren't sounding preachy at all. I'm lucky Daicaregos is willing to take time to do the sourcing. I don't know what's wrong with me, but I just cannot get the hang of formatting refs. I really appreciate his help.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:34, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Computer time over for me. I hope to see your article reach GA status by the time I return. All the best, Jeanne. Carson101 (talk) 14:38, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Carson.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:39, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Stop, you'll embarrass me. It's mostly been trial & error (so, so much error) especially for the Harvard refs for the bibliography. I have happened upon a question for you Jeanne: do you know if this is a reliable source? If you aren't sure, would you pose the question at the RS noticeboard to be certain. If not, the entire article will fail GA. Dramatic, huh :) Plenty of time to find other sources though. Yours, the wonderful (lol) Daicaregos (talk) 20:15, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

CAIN was used twice for this GA article: 1971 Scottish soldiers' killings, so it should pass muster with this one.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:07, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Think you're right about CAIN (Conflict Archive on the Internet). They're University of Ulster based. Guess I was a little tired (jaded?) yesterday. All's well now. Daicaregos (talk) 13:44, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, CAIN is used as a RS in nearly all the Troubles-related articles.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:30, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Please check the url for the Irish Times diarist's comment ("an incident that encapsulated all the madness of the time"). The Irish Times is subscription only now. It may work if you have the right url though. Same for the Irish Republican News ref ("Robert Nairac in command at massacre says Miami guitarist"). Thanks, Daicaregos (talk) 10:12, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

UVF statement per Dillon

A UVF patrol led by Major Boyle was suspicious of two vehicles, a minibus and a car parked near the border. Major Boyle ordered his patrol to apprehend the occupants for questioning. As they were being questioned, Major Boyle and Lt Sommerville began to search the minibus. As they began to enter the vehicle, a bomb was detonated and both men were killed outright. At the precise moment of the explosion the patrol came under intense automatic fire from the occupants of the other vehicle. The patrol sergeant immediately ordered fire to be returned. Using self-loading rifles and sub-machine guns, the patrol returned fire killing three of the attackers and wounding another. The patrol later recovered two Armalite rifles and a pistol. The UVF maintains regular border patrols due to the continued activities of the Provisional IRA. The [1] Mid-Ulster Battalion has been assisting the South Down-South Armagh units since the IRA's Forkhill boobytrap which killed four British soldiers.

Three UVF members are being treated for gunshot wounds after last night but not in hospital.

Punctuation, capitalisation and paragraph breaks are as per the original source (Martin Dillon, The Dirty War, London: Arrow Books 1991) The [2] symbols do not appear in the original source but where inserted by me to indicate the page break in the book. Everything before is from page 214, everything after from 215. Hope it's useful. Keresaspa (talk) 18:08, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Bloody Sunday (1972)

Hi Jeanne, you seem to be interested in articles deal with The Troubles - I saw all the work you put into the Miami Showband killings article (good work btw!). I happen to be very interested in Bloody Sunday, and would like to work on the article, but I've done a pretty poor job of that so far, making enemies with everyone (some of whom may be your friends). If you have the time, any chance you might want to get involved editing that article? I have no problem if we disagree 100%; in fact that might be even better. Cheers! LoveUxoxo (talk) 04:15, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Funny you should mention Bloody Sunday. The other day I came across an old Irish newspaper dating from the late 80s which has a long, deailed article on Bloody Sunday. At the moment I must concentrate on Miami Showband as I'm trying to get it to GA, but when that's over, I'll see what Ican do on Bloody Sunday. I always maintain a NPOV.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:08, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Cool, hope to see you around! LoveUxoxo (talk) 06:16, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Miami Showband killings

Jeanne, I think we're good to go. Will you let Jezhotwells know (if you agree)? Daicaregos (talk) 19:57, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

I'll do it right away! Thanks Dai.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:54, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Don't know if this matters for this article much, but there seems to be disagreement among the various article related to The Troubles regarding when to define the start, please see this statement in the main article. I think if they generally agreed on some date (such as 1968 as in this article), but then the main article expanded on it further, that would be fine. Cheers! LoveUxoxo (talk) 20:23, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

It was not a war like the US Civil War or WWII which began on a specific date. The Troubles began as a series of protests and riots; most academics and journalists give an arbitrary date of 1968. It's really impossible, however, to pin it down as it was not a proper war which had a definite beginning and ending. A bit like the French Wars of Religion; although thankfully not as bloody. Some would say the Troubles ended after the signing of the Good Friday Agreement considering the Omagh bombing took place four months later. 1968 seems to be the favoured year for its beginning (its conception, alas, goes back many centuries earlier!)--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:26, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Principality of Piombino

Hello Jeanne, I hope you are well. I see you noticed my article on Isabella Appiani, I would like to expand it further but alas I cannot find anymore information or even an image. They were quite an extraordinary family as you can see by Principality of Piombino. There are further articles I'd like to create, I wonder if you could find anything or knew anything about them? I've googled them used google book search for Isabella but I cannot find any worth adding. If you could look that'd be great. Thank you--David (talk) 13:25, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

David, at the moment I'm working on achieving GA class for this article: Miami Showband killings. As soon as that's over and hopefully it's passed, I see what I can do about finding info on Isabella. Takecare and keep creating articles!!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:33, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

HERE!

Hi Jeanne - it's hard to figure out where to add comments to this talk page! Great work on the Glenanne gang. How did you become interested in this topic?!Sarah777 (talk) 17:35, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

For tireless contributions to top class articles. Sarah777 (talk) 18:04, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Sarah. For the praise and the Barnstar. I've always been interested in The Troubles, as far back as the late 1960s when they first broke out. I really came to Wikipedia to edit articles on royals, nobles, etc. but then I decided to branch out and work on Troubles-related articles. I know things about the Troubles that don't often appear in the newspapers seeing as I had two boyfriends from Northern Ireland (one a Protestant from Tyrone, another a Catholic from Ballymurphy, so......Anyroad, have you read this article I created: Robin Jackson?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:49, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I did indeed. Phenomenal piece of work. That was why I gave you the barnstar :) Keep it up! Sarah777 (talk) 21:21, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Been watching your contribs on Troubles-related article for some time now. You seem to have a 'gentle approach' in this area. Barn star well deserved. RashersTierney (talk) 22:18, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

I've stopped digging now. Good editing, that was all I intended to say. RashersTierney (talk) 22:39, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Sarah and Rashers. I try to write from an historical-hence-neutral perpective. Robin Jackson and his numerous murderous deeds was told in a matter-of-fact tone, no sensationalism, just the hard, cold facts. I think he deliberately chose the site of the Miami Showband ambush on account of the name Buskhill (Bus-kill). That's the type of person he was.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:11, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

A storm is threatening

A storm is approaching.....I'll have to unplug my PC once the lightning strikes. I already hear thunder in the mountains.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:08, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

That's me, heading towards Europe, causing havoc in the British Isles. GoodDay (talk) 14:42, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Oh dear, I think I already hear the air raid sirens heralding your approach! Jeanne Boleyn

heh heh heh heh. GoodDay (talk) 14:58, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Miami Showband killings GA

Llongafarchiadau/Congratulations. Your excellent article on the Miami Showband killings has been promoted to WP:GA. It is a difficult subject, which you handled with sensitivity and a neutrality that shows true class. Thank you. Good work Jeanne, it is well deserved. Daicaregos (talk) 21:14, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Well done :) Bjmullan (talk) 22:12, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, thank you thank you....I'm reduced to tears. I'm so glad it was promoted. I put my heart and soul into that article. It is a story that needed to be told with the real facts. It was a sad, brutal incident that was the sum total of an ugly, ruthless time in history. Thank you to everybody who supported and helped me. A special thanks to Daicaregos who tirelessly formatted my muddied refs with patience and precision. Your eyes must look like glowing rubies by now. Cheers!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:45, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Well deserved for your consistent work and the quality of the article. Congratulations to you and also a "good work!" to Daicaregos. Sswonk (talk) 01:17, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Without Daicaregos' work and advice, the article would never have passed GA.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:47, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Forgot to say Jeanne that I had the pleasure in my youth to see them play live. Happy nights in troubled times. Bjmullan (talk) 22:56, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

You were lucky indeed! Did you happen to see the 1975 lineup, with O'Toole, McCoy, Geraghty, Lee and Travers?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:13, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Question

1. Quick question Jeanne: who is quoted as having said "Please don't shoot me, don't kill me"? The full sentence reads as if it was said by them both. "Both men had pleaded for their lives before they were shot, having cried out: "Please don't shoot me, don't kill me". It would be odd that both men to have used exactly the same words before they were killed. Daicaregos (talk) 09:46, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Travers says O'Toole and thought Tony Geraghty cried out the quote, but he seems to assign it to O'Toole. He said both men had begged for their lives. Let's be prudent and say one of them, shall we?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:20, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Aye. It sounds a little odd at the moment. I'll leave you to choose. Daicaregos (talk) 10:37, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Much better. I made a slight change. Is it OK? Daicaregos (talk) 10:58, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

I like your version better. Actually, I had misgivings about the quote being attributed to the pair of them. Unless it was a chorus from one of their songs, it's highly unlikely that the two of them would have cried the same exact plea to the pursuing gunmen.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 11:17, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

2. Do you have a source saying "The UVF's Mid-Ulster Brigade, led by Robin Jackson, was one of the most ruthless paramilitary groups that operated in the 1970s." (from the mural caption)? Daicaregos (talk) 10:10, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it's the Don Mullan ref at the bottom of the section Robin Jackson and the Mid-Ulster UVF.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:19, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Actually the quote doesn't say Jackson, just the Mid-Ulster UVF. I'm not actually paraphrasing Mullan. I didn't use quotes.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:28, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Just coming back to say I'd found it. But thanks. Daicaregos (talk) 10:37, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

That Irish Times reference you just added is interesting. The part about up to 700 bands criss-crossing the country every night is surprising - and notable. Are you sure the paragraph is relevant to the killings? It should certainly be on the Miami Showband article though. btw, I reckon you have cracked in-line citation referencing Jeanne. Well done. Daicaregos (talk) 13:01, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

I think it's relevant because it features two of the band members who were killed. It also highlights their fame. Perhaps I should add two killed members to show why it's being put in the article.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:31, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Davy Payne

Hi, I've uploaded a small pic. of Payne to Photobucket: http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy6/billsmith60/dpaynethumb.jpg and give permission for it to be used (not exclusive use) if you want to add it into the Wiki article on him. There's also one of David Fogel there, also grand for Wiki.

You can also see a pic. of our friend Billy Hanna here, though I've no proof it is him. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5e/11_UDR_Inspection.JPG/137px-11_UDR_Inspection.JPG regards, Billsmith60 (talk) 14:59, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

How bizarre. I had a weird feeling Hanna was in that pic. Which one is he?

Thank you for the photo link to Davy Payne. You're a big help, Bill.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:04, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

I assume Hanna is the soldier the officer is speaking to - that image came up yesterday when I was googling him. I've re-inserted the link to the Payne image. You're welcome re that article and the Glenanne Gang. Billsmith60 (talk) 13:50, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

I presume Hanna is the older guy in the photo seeing as he had been born in 1929; the other guys look much younger. Your suggestion to reword the Glenanne gang lead was an excellent one. Before it had implied that the name Glenanne gang was in use back in the 1970s which it obviously wasn't. As I explained in the article, the gang often claimed their attacks using the UVF's cover names such as Red Hand Commandoes or Protestant Action Force. Looking at the purported picture of Hanna, it's hard to imagine that someone so insignificant-looking was allegedly responsible for the biggest act of mass murder in Ireland's history. Diabolical.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:18, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Reverting 'shonen?

Reverting little 'shonen? [Bishzilla is nonplussed. ] Little user Jeanne very brave. Foolhardy, even! [Bishzilla towers menacingly over little user Jeanne. ] bishzilla _ROARR!! 15:00, 30 April 2011 (UTC).

[Bishonen yanks on Zilla's leash. ] Oh shut up Bishzilla! Accidental revert! Don't go round scaring people! Bishonen | talk 15:01, 30 April 2011 (UTC).

I was the acared party here. That's the problem with Rollback: once you hit it-even accidentally- you've passed the point of no return. I visualised a very lengthy punitive block for moi as a result of my uncontrollable laptop!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:07, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Mmm. You should have tried that laptop in 2008—09, when Bishzilla was admin! Then you would have been in deep shit and no error. (Oh no, I used a bad word! Banninate!) See Zilla's last action in the log, blocking an arbitrator? [3] Crazy old girl. It was admirable in a way, I suppose. (Or "foolhardy", haha.) I kept telling her, devouring him would have made less dramah. Bishonen | talk 15:24, 30 April 2011 (UTC).

I have owned this laptop since 2007 (it's a venerable antique). I've been at Wikipedia since April 2008, how come we haven't met before now?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:30, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

I've seen you on Giacomo's page, and you have surely seen me there. Besides, I'm a bit protean. You may have chatted with Bishzilla, Darwinbish, or other, uh, family members. They don't tell me all their business. Bishonen | talk 15:44, 30 April 2011 (UTC).

What's rollback? GoodDay (talk) 22:53, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

What most men do after getting their rocks off.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:57, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Miami Showband killings

Hello, I noticed the f-bomb mini dispute at ANI, which brought me to your talk page, where I noticed this article. I then read every word with rapt fascination and horror. What an excellent job you and your collaborators have done here. A look at your user page confirms what a fantastic contributor to Wikipedia you have been. I look forward to reading more of your articles, and I thank you. Cullen328 (talk) 15:47, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

It is I who wishes to thank you for your kind and generous praise. The Miami Showband article would have never achieved GA without the help of my collaborators, especially Daicaregos, who did so much of the copy-editing and reference-formatting. You might be interested in this article which I created a while back and keep adding to: Robin Jackson.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:04, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

I read that one too, and he was truly an unusually depraved piece of work. I was only surprised that he died of lung cancer rather than "lead poisoning". Cullen328 (talk) 03:08, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Stephanie

Hello Jeanne, I've created an article on Stephanie of Castile, however there is some dispute with her name, I would like your opinion on her discussion page. Thank you--David (talk) 15:27, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

GA → FA?

Fancy giving User:Wehwalt a nudge? It's been over a week since his offer to copy edit. He may still be busy, but just in case he's forgotten. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 21:11, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I just dropped him a reminder. I was wondering about it myself. Thanks, Dai!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:55, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Thomas Grey, 1st Marquess of Dorset

Hi Jeanne. On October 3 2010 you added a date for his mother's marriage. Where did you find this? Eddaido (talk) 01:00, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

I have just added the ref to the article. Thanks for pointing this oversight out to me!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:01, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

The editors number of edits board

You're creeping up on me. My ranking will gradually drop over the rest of the spring & all of summer, as I'll have less time on the 'pedia. The winter is usually my most prolific season. GoodDay (talk) 17:59, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Review

Are you watching my sandbox? I don't mind, I do the same thing myself.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:42, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry I was just about to ask your pardon on your talk page. I did take a wee peek at your sandbox. Could I begin working on your suggestions now as I've about an hour's spare time. Also how does one move text? I have never done it before.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:46, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Go ahead, this is for your benefit, however you want to do it suits me. Move text? Highlight the text, then cut it (on my Mac, that's command-C) and paste it (command-V). You can also click, hold, and drag on the highlighted text.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:53, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

British & Irish stuff

Howdy Jeanne. Myself & Dai are always in disagreement on Welsh political articles, it's inevitable. GoodDay (talk) 15:47, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Even if you do disagree one shouldn't name drop. As I said, it creates a bad atmosphere and generates hard feelings. I personally find Dai a very pleasant, affable, and compromising person. I enjoy collaborating with him. What's more, if you need help he's always ready to lend a helping hand even on tiresome things like ref-formatting!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:50, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

He's compromising if you go along with what he wants, which I don't. PS: I hope Sarah777 doesn't get banned from these articles. I find her anti-British rants entertaining to read. GoodDay (talk) 15:54, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Gusty Spence

Hello! Your submission of Gusty Spence at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Guerillero | My Talk 18:58, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thanks very much for the barnstar. I've been meaning to overhaul Gusty Spence for ages but I'm touched by the award :) Keresaspa (talk) 19:31, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

You're most welcome. It's well deserved! You did a fantastic job on expanding it. I have also nominated it for a DYK.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:05, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

E/W/S/NI

Howdy Jeanne, I'll be away for a few hours. See 'till then. GoodDay (talk) 15:37, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Ok, see you later.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:41, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Peek-a-boo. GoodDay (talk) 22:55, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Boston College interviews

Good afternoon, Jeanne. I have just found a front page article in the Boston Globe to go with my morning coffee, and know immediately that you will appreciate reading the contents of it. The article describes an oral history project of the college in which a republican and a loyalist interviewer recorded the thoughts of several combatants in the Troubles, each interviewing persons on their respective sides of the conflicts. The interviewees were not warned that in the future the government might subpoena the tapes of their conversations; now at the request of the PSNI the US Department of Justice has done just that. The project states that the interviews basically would not have been possible if the participants knew their statements may be released publicly and those whose statements were recorded were told that such publication would only occur upon either their personal release or death. You must understand the implications of all this. It is an important story, and the college is now being pressured to fight the subpoena by other researchers in order to protect the genre of oral research in such sensitive areas. Here is a link to the article on boston.com, the web arm of the newspaper. I am a daily subscriber to the paper, and have full access to the website as a result. If for some reason you can not read it, please email me and I will send you a text and PDF version for your library of information. Incidentally, it is mentioned in the article that Boston College was "founded in 1863 to educate the children of refugees of the Irish famine"; the BC website states "Through its first seven decades, it remained a small undergraduate institution, serving the sons of the Irish working class." The college is a Jesuit institution, attendance at which is considered the pinnacle of education success among some in the Irish American community here (my OR but trust me it's true). The status of being a "triple eagle" (the school's mascot is an eagle) is code for identifying persons, all male, who are BC stalwarts and graduates of BC High School, BC and finally BC Law School. Please let me know if you need a copy of this, I thought you would like to know as any battles over the PSNI initiated subpoena will likely become an ongoing legal and academic saga. Sswonk (talk) 15:42, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Interesting. Thank you, Sswonk.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:49, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Gusty Spence

The DYK project (nominate) 06:08, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:09, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

British & Irish stuff

Howdy Jeanne. I'm not certain, but I think I'm gonna be taking an involuntary break from those articles. GoodDay (talk) 20:56, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Arbitration page

I thought you should know that your name has been brought up here at the Arbitration/ Requests/Enforcement page. I don't understand why but thought you had the right to know. Carson101 (talk) 12:58, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I have since left a comment over there.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:07, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I've just been having a close look at this. Are you anywhere to be seen? :) Carson101 (talk) 13:19, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

You cannot see me as I've already been trampled underfoot.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:30, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Queen Elizabeth II's visit to the Republic of Ireland

As you've done an awful lot of work on the Dublin and Monaghan bombings article, could you hav a look at this? I understand why certain people (i.e. royalists, British nationalists, etc.) wouldn't like to see such a thing on this article, but I honestly can't see wher the non-neutral wording is. ~Asarlaí 13:05, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't think there's anything non-NPOV. I have left a comment.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:31, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I didn't think ther was anything non-neutral in it either. When I wrote it I tried to be as neutral as possible. I hate to say it, but it really does seem to be a case of certain editors not liking what they see. Unfortunatly, the article is subject to 1RR so I'll not be able to add it back for another 24 hours. ~Asarlaí 13:41, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Mark Fulton (loyalist)

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

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United Kingdom

Myself, Snowded & Ghmyrtle have proven flexiable on that article. It's time the rest of yas do the same & give up countries entirely. GoodDay (talk) 15:03, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Why should we stop using the correct term when it's a verifiable fact that the four countries just happen to be ( as a blaze of trumpets sound, accompanied by a roll of drums "rat-a-tat-tat") COUNTRIES?!!!!!! And that's a fact!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

It's either be flexiable, drop "countries & alow the constituent articles to handle it 'or' prevent the UK article from reaching FA status & endure continous flair ups over the intro etc. GoodDay (talk) 15:15, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

That's not how an encyclopedia works. They are countries and were I an FA reviewer I would note the lack of status for England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland were the word countries to be dropped in the lead. Comprised of is just not thorough enough. Sorry.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:58, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

And so the arguments will continue. GoodDay (talk) 17:01, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

De facto UVF leader

Ages ago, you asked on the reference desk who was de facto UVF leader while Gusty Spence was in prison. I've run across what appears to be the answer - it it was Ken Gibson, who also stood for the Volunteer Political Party. Perhaps he would merit an article? Warofdreams talk 16:38, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

ːSpeak of the devil. I was just thinking the same thing earlier on this very day! He does merit his own article.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:48, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

No, sadly I don't know his date of death - he could still be alive, for all I know. The last reference I have found is the Merlyn Rees one from 1985 which talks about 1974 and mentions the "much later interview" with the Belfast Telegraph. I was looking to see who else around the loyalist movement could do with an article, and David Adams of the UDP seems to have been quite prominent, while Clifford Peeples is also an interesting character. I've also thought, before now, of writing an article about William Smith of the UVF, later prominent in the PUP, and Winkie Rea of RHC and the PUP. I'm sure there are more, too! Warofdreams talk 10:17, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Good choices. Especially Adams and Rea. Taylor discusses Rea in Loyalists. Joe Tiernan stated Gibson was dead in an article written in 2007.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:26, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Metamorphosis

Sorry Jeanne, there's very little to be "good natured" and "funny" about on the 'pedia anymore. GoodDay (talk) 17:27, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

If certain areas of Wikipedia are stressful, why not go edit on other articles? You are not a compass point automatically directed to the Talk:United Kingdom page.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:37, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

That seems to be the only option for me. The Wiki-world can sometimes mirror the Real-world. It's human nature for many to gang up on one. When 'one' peeves 'one of the many', a snowball effect occurs via the rest showing up. GoodDay (talk) 17:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Diana, Princess of Wales

I noticed this. I removed the surname (it shoudn't even be Spencer) to be consistent with other articles regarding wives of princes. Take a look at Sophie, Countess of Wessex, Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall (living); Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester (deceased). - Yk³ talk · contrib 16:51, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Larry Marley

Materialscientist (talk) 08:04, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:32, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Good article. I would like to congratulate you on covering both sides of the story. Your article on William Marchant (loyalist) is equally interesting, providing objective balance to the incidents in question. - Ipigott (talk) 09:02, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. In all the articles I create and edit on paramilitaries, I seek to provide the cold, hard facts without allowing personal judgement regardings their alleged deeds to influence me. It's important that readers obtain the information from a neutral, balanced POV backed by reliable sources.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:34, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Request

Hello, Jeanne. I have made a post at GoodDay's talk page which I hope will settle things down. I was also hoping that you, as a friend of both Dai and GoodDay, would like to add anything to my comments. It's okay if you feel you don't want to, but I thought I would ask anyway. Thanks. Carson101 (talk) 16:29, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually I was just about to leave a comment but didn't want you to think I was butting in.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:37, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Not at all! Carson101 (talk) 16:41, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I just left a few wee words on his page.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:48, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Jeanne, I read it. You are a champ in my eyes. Carson101 (talk) 16:53, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I have a favour to ask of you. Could you please take a quick look at my latest article and tell me what you think of it? Thanks. John Weir (loyalist).--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:06, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Arghhh! I have 2 minutes computer time but promise to do so tomorrow. Sorry! Carson101 (talk) 17:08, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I actually have 5 minutes left. The libraries allow you 2 hours per day on the computer. I shall have to start bringing in my own computer as I found out recently that they have wifi. Whatever that means. :) Carson101 (talk) 17:14, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh you're on a public PC! No problem, Carson. See you tomorrow. Cheers!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:18, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Jeanne. I've had a good read of your article and I must say this. You know how to write em! I hope you don't mind me asking but, how did you get interested in unsavoury characters like John Weir? You being American and all. Carson101 (talk) 15:01, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I lived in Dublin in the 1980s. In fact, I worked in Talbot Street which was the site of a deadly UVF car bomb several years previously. So I passed the spot everyday. I had two boyfiriends from Northern Ireland, I used to visit the place, well you get the picture. I was always interested in the Troubles ever since they started. I was in London in 1975 when the IRA bombed the Hilton.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:12, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Never been to Northern Ireland myself, though I have been to the south. Most people I met there didn't want anything to do with the troubles in the North. Carson101 (talk) 15:20, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

The library staff are trying to throw me out. I think they want to go home for some reason. One of these days I'll get my own internet connection. You rich folk have it too easy. :) Always nice talking to you Jeanne. Carson101 (talk) 15:29, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Alix

Hi Jeanne! Well done with Alix, I remember coming across her when I expanded her mother's article. I didn't realize there was so much information about her; especially her trip to the middle-east. I've been trying to look for that portrait of Isabella Appiani, you know when you get attached to a person and you want to know what they looked like? I've looked through several Vouet online galleries, alas I find nothing. There's two articles I created last week that you may be interested in Isabella of Scotland, Countess of Norfolk and Matilda FitzRoy, Countess of Perche. Cheers--David (talk) 09:06, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks David. Your new articles both look good. I'll take a closer look at them later on.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 11:00, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Mary Boleyn

You might have created alot of articles based around historical female figures, but you clearly do not understand how titles actually work so i'm going to show you:

Sir Thomas Boleyn married Lady Elizabeth Howard, but due to her title of "Lady" coming from being a Dukes daughter, she automatically outranks a Knights wife so she would be known as Lady Elizabeth Boleyn. If she had just been plain old Elizabeth Boleyn she would have been styled Elizabeth Boleyn, Lady Boleyn.

Mary Boleyn, as the daughter of a knight is known as just Mistress Mary Boleyn as the children of those with knighthoods are given no special style. Upon her marriage to Sir William Carey, she will be styled Mary Carey, Lady Carey as she is the wife of a knight. However upon her fathers elevation to an Earldom she automatically moves up quite a few ranks in the order of precedence and because of that she is now styled Lady Mary Carey not Mary Carey, Lady Carey, as her father's title outranks her husbands title. The same applies when she married Sir William Stafford.

Trust me I know alot about these kind of things as my aunt who is the daughter of an Earl married a baronet and there was alot of confusion on what she was supposed to be styled now, but it got sorted out soon enough when we wrote to Debretts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack Wills It (talk • contribs) 09:38, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Have you a source that shows Mary Boleyn to have been titled Lady Mary Boleyn? If Mary was styled as such then her sister Anne would have follwed suit. I have never read any biographies on Anne Boleyn where she was styled Lady Anne Boleyn. Ditto for Lord George Boleyn.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:44, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

True she would never be known as Lady Mary Boleyn due to her marriages, however George Boleyn would never be known as Lord George Boleyn as he is neither the younger son of a Duke or a Marquess, he was known as The Viscount Rochford as that was his fathers subsidary title. Plus Anne Boleyn would of been addressed as Lady Anne Boleyn as her father was created an Earl in 1529, she didn't become Queen of England till 1533. Just because you have never read it in any biographies is pointless as in British Society no matter whether you were born when your father was created an Earl or not, you will always become (unless illegitamate) "Lady so and so" upon you father becoming an Earl, Marquess or Duke. Jack Wills It (talk) 10:29, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid Wikipedia does not accept Original Research, Jack Wills It. You need a source for your claims.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:32, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Not original research, and my source is that you should just go on the wikipedia page Forms of address in the United Kingdom and you will see for yourself that I am correct, but your probably American therefore you wouldn't ever understand the way titles work! Jack Wills It (talk) 17:28, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

First of all, American is capitalised; secondly, Wikipedia articles are not in themselves sources; and thirdly, piss off from my talk page, as you are beginning to try my patience.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:55, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Well stop reversing my edits on a subject you clearly know nothing about, as I have shown you time and time again why my edits are correct and accurate, as not only have I said that Forms of address in the United Kingdom proves that what I have added is in fact true, I see that you have then reversed another editors edits when they also made the same changes as I. Either you are ignorant and believe that what-ever edit you put in must be correct or you are incompetent especially when you have been proven wrong! Jack Wills It (talk) 20:03, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

And it's patently obviously your comprehension of written English is so inadequate that you cannot understand a simple request to stay off my talk page. I consider the matter closed, so do not post here anymore.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:59, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for John Weir (loyalist)

Materialscientist (talk) 06:02, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

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I have just provided a link to the source.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:08, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

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I have since provided a link to the source.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:08, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Nice one. Thanks. --Simple Bob ^{a.k.a. The Spaminator} (Talk) 16:09, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:09, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Leon

Please voice your opinion on Talk:Sancha of León (born 1191/2)#Request Move and Talk:Dulce of León#Request Move.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 07:20, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Carra Castle, Antrim

Materialscientist (talk) 12:02, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

A murder mystery?

Hey Jeanne! Last week I created an article on Alice of Armenia, part of the article was on her struggle to claim the Armenian throne which was held by Isabella, Queen of Armenia. Other people attempted to claim the throne, including Isabella's older sister Stephanie of Armenia (an article I created a while back) and Stephanie's young son John. Her husband John of Brienne was to claim Armenia (as his wife and son arguably had a better claim than Isabella) but Stephanie and their son soon "died" within a week of each-other and I was unable to draw up a reason for their deaths, so I'm wondering if foul play was involved in Stephanie and John's death as I believe it is too much of a coincidence that they both died at such a major time, unless they were murdered. Maybe Isabella's regent Constantine of Baberon wanted shut of them? He had already exiled Isabella's mother, imprisoned Alice and killed Alice's son. What do you think? --David (talk) 15:09, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Davy Fogal

Saw you note on Sarah777's talk page but you might want to complain to Bgwhite for his/her assessment. I have assessed it as a C-class for the Ireland Wikiproject and inherited that to all other projects. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 16:41, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

No question it's a C class - good call G'Day. Sarah777 (talk) 21:27, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a million, Sarah and Ww2censor. To be honest, that's how I would have rated it.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:03, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Horslips

I see you made a few tweaks here! Are you tempted to write one of your great articles about the band members? They surely merit one (each). Sarah777 (talk) 22:04, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Alas, I haven't any sources available to write articles on each of the band members, although I fully agree with you that they all merit one.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:59, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Hmmmm

Jeanne, I was just looking back over some old conversations with our old friend HENRY, I wish he'd come back :( also, Jack has been active recently, a comeback maybe?--David (talk) 20:11, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

UVF Mid-Ulster Brigade

There is more on this brigade than any other, and you've done a great job of pulling it all together. I suspect that Richard Jameson might merit an article, but, in general, it's hard to find any information on most leading figures in the UVF. Another article I'd like to write but would struggle with BLP issues on is the figure nicknamed the "Beast in the East" - quite a lot to say on him! Warofdreams talk 15:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Yes, "Beast of the East" has been getting much media attention lately. You now I nominated Robert John Kerr for a DYK, and another editot complained that it violated BLP, despite the fact that he's been dead for 14 years and my sources were etremely reliable (Houses of the Oireachtas 2003 Barron Report, International Panel of Inquiry headed by Douglass Cassel, John Weir's affidavit. How more relable can sources get? Besides I used the word allegedy throughou the article!!! I tell you.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:46, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that. I am bemused as to how BLP issues can affect someone who is dead, and the sources look strong to me. I do know that it's dangerous to rely on "allegedly", though - Private Eye don't always win their court cases! That's why I suggested specifically stating who had named him as a brigadier - which is clearly factual - rather than just that he was alleged to have been one. Warofdreams talk 10:47, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Swimming in a dream

If anyone has an urgent message for me I can be reached here

Swimming in a shimmering turquoise dream under the aegis of ancient stone gods.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:48, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I can't see you above the water! Call for help!!! Carson101 (talk) 16:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

The lifeguards haven't come on duty yet, so I shall just have to go under. Welcome back, Carson!!!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:02, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Jeanne. Are you really there? If so, you must be having a great time, apart from the drowning. You can't have everything you know! :) Carson101 (talk) 17:05, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I arrived here mONDAY afternoon. The water is beautiful and it's boiling hot here. i'M ON A PUBLIC pc AT THE MOMENT.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:11, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, me too. On a public pc I mean, not swimming in beautiful water in brilliant sunshine, mores the pity. Gotta go now Jeanne, talk to you again. Carson101 (talk) 17:14, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Where's that place? GoodDay (talk) 14:12, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

here. You can catch me in the water if you don't see me lazing on the beach.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:32, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Do you tan topless? GoodDay (talk) 12:32, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes. And bottomless. I do, however, keep my hat on to avoid getting sunstroke.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:50, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for UVF Mid-Ulster Brigade

Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

100 Boundary Way

As promised Johnny Adair's house has been photographed and added to his article. The quality isn't great as I had to be a bit surreptitious to get the picture but it's better than nothing. It doesn't look the sort of place you would expect a crime-lord to live in but there you have it! Keresaspa (talk) 23:41, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Fantastic, Keresaspa!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:40, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

British & Irish stuff

Howdy Jeanne. It's been awhile since I last was involved with British & Irish political articles. I've managed to cleanse my passions for those topics & starting today - will lift my self-imposed restriction a little. I'm limiting myself to 'straw polls' from now on. I'll let others duke it out, in edit wars and/or heated discussions. GoodDay (talk) 13:06, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Jeez. That three months has just flown past, hasn't it? Daicaregos (talk) 13:42, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm aloud 'straw polls'. I just have to keep away from 'one liner' posts, arguing with editors in those discussions & avoid making edits to such articles. Above all, keep my temperment in check. If Cailil disagrees, I'll slizzer back into total quietude until then. GoodDay (talk) 13:48, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	I'd like to send this message of appreciation to you for all the articles you have created and worked on about women in history. There are far too few of those, but you seemed to have really filled in a lot of the gaps over the years. Greetings, Peaceingalaxy Peaceingalaxy (talk) 05:50, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you ever so much, Peaceingalaxy. This is a lovely surprise and your barnstar is very much appreciated. The coverage on women in history was very much lacking and I made an attempt to rectify matters by creating articles on notable females - in particular , heiressses such as Cecily Bonville and Isabel de Clare, 4th Countess of Pembroke.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 19:20, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Nothing good lasts forever

My days of swimming in the balmy turquoise sea and nights of wild disco dancing are sadly coming to an end. In other words I'll soon be back in the Wikiworld.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:10, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Jeanne's coming back to Wiki: Yea! No more swimming, sunbathing and dancing: Boo! But Jeanne's coming back to Wiki: Yea! Daicaregos (talk) 19:02, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Can we take turns? When Jeanne returns, you Dai can have days of swimming in the balmy turquoise sea and nights of wild disco dancing. Do you have an old John Travolta suit gathering dust in a cupboard somewhere? I wouldn't mind a turn either and would even force myself to wear a disco suit. :) Carson101 (talk) 16:49, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Sadly tonight's my last night of wild disco dancing under the stars and tomorrow's my last day to swim out in the open sea. Sob sob. Oh well I've a new article in mind...--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:52, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Whoah, luv the bikini photo. Now I'm just burning to make love to you. GoodDay (talk) 11:58, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

You sound like an Elvis Presley song. Whoo hoo hoo, I can feel mah tempature risin--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:56, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

If I had the Universe in my possession, I'd give it to you. GoodDay (talk) 15:28, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Question

• Do you have contact Boleyn sisters (Anne Boleyn married Henry VIII and Mary Boleyn who was his mistress)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.82.171 (talk) 20:32, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Could you please rephrase your question in a reasonable fascimile of grammatically-correct English so that I can at least understand it? Thanks. --Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:14, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

• DO YOU HAVE A CONNECTION TO BOLEYN FAMILY? SOME OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS CAN INCLUDE:ANN BOLEYN-CONSORT OF HENRY VIII AND HER SISTER MARY BOLEYN THAT WAS MISTRESS OF HENRY VIII,I ASK YOU THIS QUESTION BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE SAME LAST NAME,AND BY THE WAY,IM SORRY ABOUT THE WRIRING MISTAKE,ENGLISH ITS NOT MY FIRST LANGUAGE,THANK YOU. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.82.171 (talk) 18:09, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Anne Boleyn has no direct descendants due to her only child, Elizabeth having died childless. I have done much research into my family history and it's most likely that I'm a direct descendant of Mary Boleyn on my mother's side. Boleyn is not my real surname, it's merely my user name; however Jeanne happens to be my real first name.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 19:06, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

I SEE THAT YOU ARE DEAL WITH MONARCHY,ROYALITY AND ARISTOCRACY,THIS IS YOUR PROFESSION OR JUST HOBBY? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.82.171 (talk) 20:00, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

My passion.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:12, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Hey

Well, first of all thanks for answering my question at the Humanities RD. Now, this is a bit random but don't you think your daughter looks a bit like Alizée? Cheers. Belchman (talk) 16:53, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. I edit many articles on loyalist paramilitaries so I do know something about their respective organisations' histories, idealogies, etc. I never thought about my daughter resembling Alizée. I suppose there is a faint resemblance, and they do have the same colouring. --Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:05, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Your articles on loyalism

Hello there, Jeanne boleyn. I've been reading some of your series of articles on subjects related to loyalism. First of all, congratulations on your industry - you are certainly putting content out there. I find the articles to be engaging reads and full of detail. I have made a few minor edits to some of them, all to do with making the language a bit more neutral, ie substituting "unit" for "gang", "volunteer" for "hitman" etc. Hope you don't mind. Ivor Stoughton (talk) 14:49, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm glad you enjoy them, Ivor. Edit away! Oh, have you seen the one I'm currently working on 2000 Tandragee killings? Feel free to edit it.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:24, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. "Enjoy" might not be quite the word, given the subject matter. But engaging, definitely! Ivor Stoughton (talk) 16:35, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Howdy

Howdy Jeanne. Have you settled back into the everyday humdrum of life after the holidays yet? :) Carson101 (talk) 18:00, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Not really. After two months of sheer hedonism, dreary routine is hard to accept. --Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:22, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

The Eagle

I've done a bit of digging and discovered that the Eagle was the former name for what is now called the Royal Bar on the Shankill Road. It's on the corner of Snugville Street more or less facing the West Kirk Presbyterian Church and thus smack in the heart of the UVF's traditional mid-Shankill stronghold. Now that I think of it the bar's top floor does look like a weird mixture of an office and a fortress! It's also very close to that other UVF hangout the Rex Bar where C Company began the feud back in the day. Keresaspa (talk) 01:53, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a million, Keresaspa!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:54, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Jeanne, in the context of the UVF, "The Eagle" wasn't the Royal Bar (not a pub that is particularly associated with the UVF anyhow). It was what at or just above the corner of Spier's Place and the Shankill Road. That's on the left-hand side going up while the Royal Bar is a little further up on the other side. The PUP may have had its HQ at the Eagle for a while but is a little further down the road now. Keresaspa may be correct about the old name of the Royal Bar being "The Eagle" but you can safely update any refs to the Eagle as being over a chip shop on the Shankill Road. I will email you about images. Regards, Billsmith60 (talk) 10:36, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

So it was over a chip shop after all?! Thank you Bill.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:33, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Jenny (!), see your personal email for one from me [might be in your junk]. When you reply, we can discuss things there. I don't give out my personal email due to some sensitivities.Billsmith60 (talk) 16:36, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Splendid day at the beach

What a glorious day I spent today at the beach. Weather was fabulous and the water boiling hot. I went swimming in the open sea and felt like I was swimming in skeins of hot velvet.....surreal and sensuous. Adieu summer....beautiful summer.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:01, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

By contrast, we're having a thunderstorm today! Freaky weather.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:53, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm seriously pondering as to why I should continue as an editor here

I create articles at Wikipedia for one reason only: to educate readers. I spend hours, days, weeks, sometimes years on an article, making sure it's factually-correct, well-written and backed by reliable sources. I put as much care into the articles I create as a gardener does for the flowers in his or her garden. When someone suggests that an informative, useful article I created or expanded should be deleted from Wikipedia or merged, it's like a herd of bulls rampaging through the metaphorical garden. It's sad and bodes ill for the future of Wikipedia. So my fellow editors out there, affirm that there is a need for me to remain here or am I just wasting my time?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:55, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Rise above it, Jeanne. This sort of thing happens all the time, but, in my experience, well-written articles with clear notability usually survive with ease. It's not a "herd of bulls" - (unless you get involved with the Greater Manchester posse - I advise against it!) - it's one individual, and who knows what their motivation might be. There are a whole host of reasons why experienced and conscientious editors get pissed off and leave here, mainly to do with other equally experienced editors (or admins) butting up against them in some way, but it's strongly advisable not to take it personally. Have a good old English / British cuppa! Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:41, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Ghmyrtle has given you a cup of tea, for taking the time to weather a dispute. Thanks for staying calm and civil! Tea somehow promotes WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a tea, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy!

Ahhhh, that hits the spot. There's nothing like a good /English/British/Irish cuppa. Especially washed down with a slice of apple tart or Cadbury Cream Egg (I used to eat these for breakfast when I lived in Dublin!!) Thanks a million, Ghmyrtle.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:35, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Wowsers, contemplating Wiki-retirement? don't even consider it. There's one editor already considering retirement & he's mostly blameing me for it. There are other editors who strongly wish that I would retire from the 'pedia, but it's not gonna happen. Don't quit Jeanne, don't give the 'bleeps' the satisfaction. GoodDay (talk) 12:43, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm still hanging around the joint, GoodDay. Although I could defeinitely do with a day off at the beach as it's a very humid 33 c., and I would just love to fling myself into the water and swim out to the open sea. If only I can get my lazy ass son to drive me there (my beach house is only a twenty-minutes journey by autostrada).--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:00, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Jeepers, then you'll have me there, chasing you. GoodDay (talk) 13:05, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Are you SURE you want to chase after me? I swim very far out....very far.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:09, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't think you want to follow me this far, GoodDay!

Upon catching you, the distance will be worth it. GoodDay (talk) 13:16, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

"affirm that there is a need for me to remain here or am I just wasting my time?" Another perspective. Never know, you might like that one... I'm definitely gonna get back to you re: your article and thoughts later today. Peace (or, "how to sing with your eyes closed!"). Sswonk (talk) 16:21, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind my dropping in like this, Jeanne, but just thought I'd add that your articles and edits here have improved my understanding of the situation in Ulster more than countless books, papers, websites, etc. I really hope you keep editing – although your subject matter is frequently gruesome, it's fascinating nonetheless and necessary to document, and your editing has improved our little encyclopaedia more than you may realise. Sorry if that sounds strange coming from a relative stranger, but I feel like I know you a bit better because I read so damn many of your articles. ;) JonC^Talk 19:53, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

I really appreciate your generous comments, JonC. Thanks ever so much.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:54, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

I hope things work out for Carson & he returns. I know he's going through a rough time & sorta slashed at me, but I've no harsh feelings. GoodDay (talk) 13:56, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't know why I bothered checking in here again but, let me make this clear. I am not leaving here, or taking a long break because of you. You know my feelings about your conduct on this website (I explained it on my talk page) but, if you think for a second I was running off because of your conduct you really ought to think again. A rather arrogant attitude to have thinking that you have some control over my decision. Most of your comments only make laugh in derision, not anger, and I think something should have been said or done a long time ago to ensure that you actually behaved yourself. I have other reasons for leaving here for the moment and they are certainly not connected to you. Carson101 (talk) 15:19, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

This post of yours on your own talk page, "It looks like Carson101 may have retired. I guess some editors just aren't tough enough, to hang around. GoodDay (talk) 17:42, 19 September 2011 (UTC)" is rather typical of you. You presume you are so marvelous that you can force another user away and you put it in such a self satisfying way. Trust me, as I said above, most of your comments make me laugh in derision, so don't think of yourself as influencing anyone here, because you don't. Carson101 (talk) 15:32, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

That's more like it, Carson. Stand up to the world & those around you - honesty is the best. GoodDay (talk) 15:34, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Once again, I don't even understand what your post is referring to. Care to explain? Carson101 (talk) 15:40, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

For heaven's sake, people. JUST IGNORE HIM. Don't ask questions. Don't answer his. Don't engage with him on talk pages. Don't comment about him. Just behave as though he doesn't exist. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:14, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Sound advise. GoodDay (talk) 17:19, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't wanna clog up Jeanne's talkpage. You're free to drop in at my talkpage - it's always been your choice. GoodDay (talk) 15:42, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Poll on ArbCom resolution - Ireland article names

There is a poll taking place here on whether or not to extend the ArbCom binding resolution, which says there may be no page move discussions for Ireland,Republic of Ireland or Ireland (disambiguation), for a further two years. Fmph (talk) 21:34, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

I have since given my opinion which may not be to everybody's liking, but seeing as it was sought......--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:23, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

I feel like Chicken Little

Ooh the sky is falling!!!!!!

waiting for the sky to fall (or rather the debris from the NASA satellite)!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:59, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

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I have since added the source information. How is it now?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:54, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Political situation in Northern Ireland

• “In 1968, the conflict known as "The Troubles" had begun in Northern Ireland.” Not sure of the tense implied here, but it should be saying “The conflict in Northern Ireland, known as "The Troubles", began in 1968.”

 Done

Just the mask. Last time we met that's all you were wearing.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:12, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

How intriguing. Care to expand on that statement? Daicaregos (talk) 20:00, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh dear where has my masked friend gone? Yesterday a lovely photo of a man wearing an exotic mask was placed on my talk page asking whether or not I remembered him. One does not easily forget such encounters. Hee hee hee. I see, however, that it has since been removed. Oh well, easy come, easy go......--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:33, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Must have been censored. Would it have scared the horses Jeanne? :) Daicaregos (talk) 13:56, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

It would have probably even scared this guy here (not 100% sure though).--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:05, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Don't expect he was scared by many things, though. So it must have been prety grim :( Daicaregos (talk) 18:11, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Looks like you've been grawped, Jeanne - [4] Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:17, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Grawped or groped? Hee hee hee.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:03, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Survey

Hi Jeanne!

I have put together a survey for female editors of Wikipedia (and related projects) in order to explore, in greater detail, women's experiences and roles within the Wikimedia movement. It'd be wonderful if you could participate!

It's an independent survey, done by me, as a fellow volunteer Wikimedian. It is not being done on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation. I hope you'll participate!

Just click this link to participate in this survey, via Google!

Any questions or concerns, feel free to email me or stop by my user talk page. Also, feel free to share this any other female Wikimedians you may know. It is in English, but any language Wikimedia participants are encouraged to participate. I appreciate your contributions - to the survey and to Wikipedia! Thank you! SarahStierch (talk) 16:20, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Sarah, I'll do the survey tomorrow as it's close to dinner time where I live and I've got two hungry kids and a grumpy husband I must feed!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:41, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Dreaded survey

I'm removing myself from trying to deal with Ireland naming as an avocation at this late stage, you may want to weigh in on WT:IECOLL#Closure of page titles poll. I took a look at SarahStierch's survey, so hoping you won't go too bad on me for jumping on you re:Southern Heritage with your survey answers, y'all. Remember? I said some things... but regretted the tone in later posts. At least I can proudly claim the comments were gender neutral. But, upsetting you that way was not my goal I hope you understood. You could send the survey to our friend in Sandyford, I wouldn't feel comfortable... your call. Certainly a prime candidate to relate her experiences. Sswonk (talk) 17:23, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Power to the People

Power to the People, right on!

Power to the People, right on!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:59, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Troubling troubles

Hi Jeanne. How are you? I'd like to say that I am a fan of your work on different aspects of the troubles, specifically indivduals involved in the troubles. You do a wonderful job. I often wonder though, are you ever troubled by writing about the troubles? Do you never feel like taking a break and writing something that is a little more light hearted? I say this because I think I myself would likely start feeling a little depressed if I wrote so much on those subjects. Carson101 (talk) 15:12, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Actually most of the articles I have written have been about medieval noblewomen such as these ladies here Margaret de Clare, Baroness Badlesmere, Cecily Bonville, 7th Baroness Harington. I also did this guy Jim Dandy Mangrum! The only article that really depressed me was this one due to the age of the victims, the fact that it happened fairly recently, and the gruesome way they met their demise: 2000 Tandragee killings. I really appreciate your praise of my work, Carson. It means a lot to me.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:14, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

I should have looked more closely at your history Jeanne. You obviously have an eclectic taste as far as articles are concerned. You are certainly a prolific writer and like to have a laugh as well. That's always a good combination on here I feel. Carson101 (talk) 16:38, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Vice Troubles documentary

Thought you may get a kick out of this, Jeanne. I certainly found it an interesting introduction, at least. Looking forward to part two. JonC^Talk 16:48, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

My God, this is hilarious. When Unionists beat their drums....it was for shooting someone, right? LOL. Just as well your man wasn't interviewing Robin Jackson or Billy Wright! I could not believe how naive he was, especially about the tarring and feathering. That was done quite often, especially in the early 70s. I met a guy from Derry who had seen it done to a girl in his neighbourhood. Thanks for linking this to my page, Jon. I found it very amusing.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:57, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

No worries. Haha, I wonder where they got him from – probably just a friend or relative of someone at Vice, I'd wager. He'd definitely never met any para-militants before! Although I must admit I didn't know about the tarring and feathering... What had the girl done? Been with a soldier/Prod? JonC^Talk 18:07, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

As I recall the guy told me that was the treatment often meted out to nationalist girls who went out with British soldiers. I knew several Northern Irish women who had married former British soldiers, but they were all Protestant.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:16, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Who me?

Wowsers, you were accidently fingered for being a sock. Holy smokers, I would never accidently finger a gal, hahahahaha. GoodDay (talk) 13:40, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

I am strangely drawn to you...

But mainly for fighting, of course. Hi, just kidding with you there, it's lovely to see you being so open when the majority of us are so secret. You take a nice picture and are quite interesting and that's great, but I want to challenge your position on IECOLL. Maybe I think you are weak or something and I am going to coerce you. Well I do not doubt your integrity, but I'd still like to coerce you if that is not too strong a word. As I've come to you personally, and I do not see any flaws promoting such behaviour, I should intend to avoid bringing this up elsewhere, or being insistent with you for that matter. I just want to challenge you respectfully on a minor point and see what you might say. So, some time after, your vote and statement on IECOLL, I asked you this. Perhaps you didn't wish to respond, but as you haven't been conspicuously involving youself, I supposed you might not have seen it or it was too long and insensible to read, so I supposed I might contact you here. Please, tell me you aren't interested, that's fine of course, I could be notorious for being long and slow to read with a high possibility of making little sense in the end, but here's what I ask, and hopefully it takes your interest for just a few moments:

You told us that a person from the republic, when asked what country they are from, responds simply, "Ireland." If you were in a position where you needed to make the distinction, that you were from the republic in particular, you'd have to say, "I am from the Republic of Ireland," or "The South," or something. Apparently you do not concieve of, or are not familiar with such a situation. Would you reason the same without claiming you have no care or requisite to distinguish, and if that be the case, if you do not need to distinguish, aren't you claiming to be from the island when you answer "from Ireland"? Aren't you really saying that those who do not require to distinguish reply, "from Ireland," rather than those only from the republic? And how would you value those from the north, in this respect, who also reply, "from Ireland"?

Hopefully to find you well and to leave you that way, ~ R.T.G 13:20, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Why do I have the sinking feeling that I've just been dressed in a blue boiler suit?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:51, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Come on now. Nobody knows what blue feels like! ~ R.T.G 17:28, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

And hopefully I'll never find out what a blue boiler suit feels like! Hark, I think I hear a tea kettle whistling in the distance....--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:40, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Cordiali saluti di un sereno weekend + cortese richiesta di miglioria e traduzione e spelling IPA per Ludmilla Radchenko grazie come sempre per la sua gentilezza e cordialità--Lodewijk Vadacchino (talk) 18:46, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Buonasera a lei Signora Jeanne Marie,

la scrivo anziututto per sapere come sta e come va da lei, oltre a questo le porgo i miei più calorosi saluti ed auguri per un sereno weekend, che sia prospero e munifico. Con la cortese le affido un articolo su un artista, modella ed attrice russa molto attiva in Italia e anche nel mondo anglofono come pittrice apprezzata. Le chiedo se potrebbe gentilemente migliorare l'articolo di Ludmilla in inglese, basandosi oltre che sull'italiano anche sul sito dell'artista che le vado a mostrare (qui) naturalmente "impastando e modellando" l'articolo per evitare il copyviol. detto questo certo di una certa sua risposta la ringrazio in anticipo di vero cuore e le porgo oltre che i miei ringraziamenti anticipati, anche un sereno weekend e se ha bisogno di qualche traduzione non esiti a chidere :) grazie con un luminoso sorriso--Lodewijk Vadacchino (talk) 18:46, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for my tardy reply to your affectionate and molto gentile greeting. I will check out sources to see if Ludmilla meets the notabilty requirements.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:49, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Buongiorno e Buon Weekend,

ho provvedudo a tradurla io con il mio pessimo inglese, le chiedo mia stimata signora di riparare gli errorri più gravi, detto questo la ringrazio in anticipo per la stima che mi da e per il suo prezioso contributo. un saluto dalla Calabria--Lodewijk Vadacchino (talk) 11:51, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Stupid quote of the week

Stay outta my way, and I'll stay out of yours

"These animals were on the move, they were showing some pretty aggressive behaviour". - Enlightened Ohio sheriff in an attempt to justify the barbaric slaughter of magnificent, Bengali tigers and lions. Well get the fuck out of their way, moron, and they probably won't maul you! Let it Loose....--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 11:28, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Compromise?

I am not well-versed in some aspects of Wiki, as you may know, so I am asking you, is it possible to propose a compromise in the middle of the vote? There seems to be a growing liking for James VI and James I. It would (hopefully) bring over the editors who opposed the name as too long. Also, some of the most adament Europen editors, both English and Scottish seem to like the idea (or at least that is what I am seeing in their comments). I think the Canadians might go for it as well. Not too many American represented as of yet, except myself and maybe one other. Hard to say.

What do you think? What would be the proper procedure? The numbers seem to stay tied now. It might be the solution.

Have an appointment this morning (about 3:30 your time) will be back online about 5pm your time. Have a nice day. Really enjoyed your articles and have a (historical) question on one but not now, too busy at home. Mugginsx (talk) 12:22, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, the proposal of a compromise would be fine.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:29, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

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Yeaaah!

I hope this means I can go back to the 14th century. I am currently reading The chronicles of Jean de Venette and working on articles of that century. I am still watching and (hopefully) learning from you! Mugginsx (talk) 19:37, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Medieval Work

By the way, I have followed your work (particularly in medieval articles) and have always been impressed. Have tried to mentor myself to your style. Maybe some day I will get it. (Incidentally, another vote in favor). Mugginsx (talk) 12:45, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I wrote a few articles about 16th-century Scottish noblewomen such as Jean Gordon, Countess of Bothwell and Agnes Keith, Countess of Moray. In Scotland, the wives ran the estates whilst their husbands went off to fight.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:22, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

I know! I loved them! Only two authors that have mentioned this (though about England and France) that I know of is Paul C. DohertyPhD Medieval History and Barbara Tuchman, A Distant Mirror.... My lady leopard is smiling! (See my Userpage) Do you read Patricia Finney? Mugginsx (talk) 13:49, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh I like your user page! No, I've never read Finney but I adored Tuchman's A Distant Mirror. I felt as if I were transported back to the 14th century. It's so full of fascinating information. One of my favourite personages from the 14th century is Enguerrand de Coucy's wife, the Princess Isabella.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:08, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I like yours too but do not know how to do all of the elaborate stuff yet. I got the spinning world from a French editor who did not want to put my material in the Fr article because she said "theirs" was the best in entire Wiki. (Hum!) So, I got the material in through another Fr editor who disagreed and then I noticed and copied her spinning world as a remembrance! Yes, Isabella was something else. I see you have done alot for women in Wiki. You are to be commended. Have you read Paul C. Doherty's Mathide's series? http://www.fictfact.com/series.aspx?series_id=4998 . According to an interview he gave, it is based very much on fact. Mugginsx (talk) 14:47, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Didn't Doherty write a bio on Isabella of France? Speaking of Isabella, have you read the article I did on Margaret de Clare, Baroness Badlesmere? Now she had a lot of courage. Just goes to show how thoroughly hated Queen Isabella must have been.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:07, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes. In fact I believe his doctorial thesis was on the subject of Isabella and the reign of Edward II. He wrote a non-fiction book about it: http://www.paulcdoherty.com/pages/bib/nonfiction.html. Will read the article right now. Thanks for suggesting it. (Got myself into some trouble "over there" so will take a break). Yes, I cannot imagine her getting any sympathy from any medieval woman, or anyone else for that matter. There is no doubt that she bit off more than she could chew (if you will pardon the picture it presents) when she took up with Mortimer. Oops! wrong Isabella. my mistake. Mugginsx (talk) 08:57, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Great article. Did not know much about the de Clare's in Ireland and Margaret was quite a woman too. Thanks for suggesting it. Incidentally, the vote is even at this time in case you haven't noticed. Mugginsx (talk) 19:36, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Here's an interesting fact regarding Margaret de Clare: she was the first woman to be imprisoned inside the Tower of London.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 11:19, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

That is interesting. I thought there was one before, but I must be mistaken. Mugginsx (talk) 08:57, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Happy Hallowe'en

Happy Hallowe'en everybody!!

Tonight is the night when the dead walk the earth and witches and their familiars reign o'er all. Enjoy the magic....--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:46, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Refs for Lenny murphy

Dillons book, (another one is Daily Record (Scottish Newspaper) front page article three days after Murphy's death it was called ' Evil Fun Of The Butcher'). It is not necessary to reference every sentence or part of a sentence that contains an allegation. If the para has a ref at the end of it that is the ref. Dillon's book is good enough Overagainst (talk) 17:07, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

And how does the reader know that the ref at the end of the sentence covers the entire paragraph? Citations need to be provided for any allegation or statement of fact that is likely to be challenged.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:22, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Refs come after the text to which they refer, OK admittedly the ref is not quite at the end of the para, but it covers the previous allegations in the para . If you wish to then ref Dillons book as many times as you like for every allegation in that para up until the ref appears it's the source for everything in the para up until that point. The last sentence in the para about none of the victims having any connection to repubican groups is not mine.

Please go to the Talk page for Lenny Murphy. and repeat your questions as to the citation of RUC reports which you put on the edit summary rather than the talk page. I have not touched that paricular section at all, ever. So I don't know. Anyone interested can easily find the issue on Talk.Overagainst (talk) 17:46, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

is it time yet?

The consensus to change James I of England to James VI and I has been met and has been going for 8 days now. Is it sufficient to change title? Someone has suggested 7 days, someone else so many days after last voting. Guidlines are confusing. If it is time can we close this and change article title? Thanks. Mugginsx (talk) 11:54, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

An administrator has to close it, after deciding whether or not consensus has been reached to move the title. I do believe the time had expired.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:27, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Do you know an administrator? Mugginsx (talk) 14:45, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry, one will come along and close it.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:49, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

OK, Thanks. I do not know how to "properly" change an article title either. Did it once on Trial of the Knights Templar, and even though no one by myself had edited on it for nearly one year, Elonka opposed it. Mugginsx (talk) 16:07, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Kingsmill

Hi. You mentioned in the talk that the bias on listing casualties has been "noticed on other websites much to Wikipedia's detriment". Could you give me some of them? Nice and entertaining come-on lines btw. --Flexdream (talk) 16:53, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Here's one I came across the other day: [5]. Most of the criticism is posted on blogs and open forums. I'm glad you found the come-on linesd amusing. Believe me, they were all said to me!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:21, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I probably don't want to know what your replies were to the come-ons!--Flexdream (talk) 18:08, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Ah, Flexdreams, that wouldn't be very prudent of me to list my replies; I do want to be taken seriously as an editor around the joint!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:25, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Could you show me where "This obvious bias against British/loyalist victims..." is listed on the link you provided Mo ainm~Talk 18:49, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Sentence 119 talks about the bias against the Ulster banner; however, there are forums which talk specifically about the bias. When I come across them again, I'll link them.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:50, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

I know someone who had the chat up line "Would you like to see my knife collection" - she didn't.--Flexdream (talk) 22:05, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

I knew a guy in Texas (I lived there for two years 1991-1993) who tried to impress me by bringing a fully-loaded Magnum to my house. As I hate guns and more importantly had a baby asleep in the next room I ordered him to unload it and leave the bullets on the table. He meekly complied with my request. LOL.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:50, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Hope you said "Is that a gun in your pocket or.........." :-o Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:44, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

• Two things about what you linked to Northern Ireland doesn't have a flag and Derry is not a slang term, for someone who has links to Ireland, living/visiting, you must know that what is being said on that christian fundamentalist site is wrong. Mo ainm~Talk 14:53, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

While I obviously disagree with what they said regarding Derry I consider the Ulster Banner to be the de facto flag of Northern Ireland (Wales has its own flag, ditto for Scotland and England, so why not Northern Ireland?). Anyroad, we are getting sidetracked here. I strongly believe Kingsmill's victims should be named in the text. Same with those of the Omagh, and Dublin and Monaghan Bombings in their respective articles.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:05, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

5 November

I once saw the Guy Fawkes Night celebrations when I lived in Lewes-brilliant!

Remember, remember the 5th of November!. A penny for the Guy.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:53, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

The talk page of that article (and its archives) is far more fun than the article itself.....  !!! Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:35, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

CS Lewis

I just wanted to bring to your attention and other editors that Mabuska, Jon and Goodday (and the usual suspects) are refusing to change this author's nationality from British even though he was born in Ireland and claims that was Irish, they refuse to engage in consensus, even for not even mentioning nationality, could you and the others help intervene. Sheodred tried to help but he was harrassed and accused of being a socket as a diversion to the POV pushing of other editors.93.107.209.165 (talk) 18:00, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Casualty nos at 2011 M5 motorway crash

Hi, I noticed on 2011 M5 motorway crash you changed the death toll in the infobox to 10 (to match the text) however all the sources I've found say 7+ as I commented on the talk page. Do you have any other sources for this?— Rod ^talk 08:38, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

No, I had only changed the infobox so it would conform to the death toll given in the main body and lead.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:46, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Now updated - [6]. I used to drive on that stretch almost every day. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:27, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Terrible, terrible accident. Those tragic people-such a horrible way to die. It reminds me of a gas explosion that destroyed one half of a street in Los Angeles when I lived there. Some men were doing road repairs and one of them accidentally struck a gas main. The fireball consumed cars and their occupants, the workers, and one half of a street which was fortunately in a commerical zone. My bus route used to pass the exact spot where it happened. I always had a creepy feeling whenever I saw the area.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:01, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Just wanted to say...

...hi! How's the weather across the Adriatic? Surtsicna (talk) 13:12, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Horrible. Rainy, grey, dreary and just plain miserable!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:09, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Cheer up! At least the Italian economy is strong. :( Carson101 (talk) 16:16, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

What?! It's about to be washed up by the current spate of flooding we've been having for the past weeks.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:27, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I know, hence the sad face. Trust me, no-one is feeling cocky about it here. If Italy goes bust I think everyone is going to feel it pretty badly. Carson101 (talk) 17:28, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland

Howdy Jeanne. It's becoming frustrating for me - everytime I raise a concern at one of those 4 articles or any British/Irish articles, an editor runs to Snowded's Rfc sandbox & claims I'm just a sh-t disturber. Blasted, I know those guys want me topic banned from those articles, so why don't they just open their Rfc & get it over with. Right now, they're just harrassing me. GoodDay (talk) 18:34, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Then don't add provocative comments on the respective countries' talk pages. You know that they are nations within the UK and therefore happen to be in the continent of Europe. Why do you have a problem with these facts? I am not harassing you, but rather giving you some advice.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:37, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Why do you (plural) have a problem with accepting that England, Wales, Scotland & Northern Ireland aren't equal to the United Kingdom. Personally, it's irrelevant to me if any of those 4 gain independance - but can't ya'll wait until they do? GoodDay (talk) 18:48, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

BTW, it's the little map in the bottom right corner, that I'm complaining about. The World map. GoodDay (talk) 19:02, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Italy - Wild Night

Ah hah, Berlusconi is heading towards the exit, again. GoodDay (talk) 06:46, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Speaking of Italy, last night we had a wild thunderstorm. The lightning shows were spectacular as both sheet and forked lightning lit up the sky and entire countryside. It lasted for hours and I, naturally, had my PCS unplugged. There was lots of flooding where my beach house is located.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:36, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Wowsers, Berlosconi sure knows how to leave politics. GoodDay (talk) 01:21, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

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Wales

Howdy Jeanne boleyn. Daicaregos' response to me here, at 7:47 - 15 November 2011, is what annoyed me. He didn't use the f-word & then strike it out. He posted the f-word as striked-out (see the diff). GoodDay (talk) 16:37, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

PS: Daicaregos knows he did wrong & that's why he just deleted my showing of it to you guys, at his talkpage. PS: He's lucky that I'm not of the habit of running to ANI, AN, Wikiquette, etc etc. GoodDay (talk) 16:42, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

GoodDay, if you knew how often I was reported at the workplace for using the dreaded f-word. It's an everyday part of the English language. Whilst not to be used in front of one's parents or dear old aunties, it nevertheless is a wee commonplace word that happens to pop out when one is either angry, frustrated, shocked or horny. Complaining about it or reporting it is an express train to unpopularity.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:49, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

I just thought it was very underhanded & childish of him. TBH, I wasn't expecting him to respond at all, at his talkpage. But rather, I expected he'd simply delete. Oh well, he & I do have 1 thing in common, we're both barred from each others talkpages. GoodDay (talk) 16:57, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Besides, he & I don't get along. GoodDay (talk) 06:57, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

UVF Chief of Staff

I'v redd a number of news articles and also saw a documentary a few months ago that described John 'Bunter' Graham as the UVF's current (and long-standing) top man. Whether this means he's the Chief of Staff, I'm not sure. In these news articles he's variously described as the "UVF chief", "UVF leader" and "long-standing top commander". In Crimes of Loyalty: A history of the UDA he's mentiond (once) as "the UVF's commandant", while The Northern Ireland Question: The Peace Process and the Belfast Agreement calls him its "long-serving overall commander".

What do you think? ~Asarlaí 19:03, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

He is the Mr "F" I cited in the Ulster Volunteer Force article; however, seeing as he's a living person could we name him as Chief of Staff from 1976 to the present day without violating BLP?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:08, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Maybe we should ask someone? ~Asarlaí 13:50, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Canvassing

I am not canvassing, but since you asked a few weeks ago about remaining here against the constant pressures of deletionists and the bickering that becomes a required part of participation, I would like you to take note of issues that are surfacing at Sarah's talk page. In my view, your writing deserves to be read and you could do similar things, following the same formal citation style, on a private blog. You may even be able to make money doing that. I seriously have a problem with the informal "Jimbo kingdom" and the administrators who fashion themselves authorities, when they are merely loudmouths. So, one man's opinion. They don't necessarily deserve people like you or Sarah or Rashers or others, and maybe it's time they lose. Sswonk (talk) 14:38, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Sswonk, I have quite a bit of maternal Northern Irish ancestry. We are a stubborn lot, and it'll take more than a crowd of deletionists or word-warriors to stop me from doing something I enjoy immensely. I write and edit articles to benefit and hopefully please/educate/enlighten the readers of Wikipedia, not administrators, deletionists, whatever. Thank you for your warm and honest praise; it is much appreciated. I prefer to stay away from the quarrelling that goes on at many discussion pages of Wikipedia. However, as a protest against a snarky put-down I received back in June, I no longer suggest new articles for the Did You Know section.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:48, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Jen, I am glad you enjoy writing and support whatever you wish to do in that pursuit. I am stubborn too, and here especially when it comes to defending against imperiousness and bias. Peace, I am going to take a break. Sswonk (talk) 15:08, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Sandy Row

Wowsers, cool picture. It kinda creates a mixed message, eh. A freedom fighter wearing a ski-mask. GoodDay (talk) 20:58, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

"If fire-fighters fight fire & crime-fighters fight crime, what do freedom-fighters fight?" by George Carlin. GoodDay (talk) 16:47, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

All I know about freedom is this: At no time in history have so-called freedom-fighters ever sought to liberate women from the monotony of domestic drudgery.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk)

Pound Loney

I notice you linked Pound Loney in the Falls Road, Belfast article so I thought I should let you know that Pound Loney already had an article but it was redirected to Subdivisions of Belfast about a year ago by User:Asarlaí as its content was pretty weak. I target the redirect to the Falls yesterday as I felt it was a more appropriate place but just so as you know if you do intend to make this article it has already existed and could be recreated at Pound Loney instead as disambiguation is probably not needed (unless there are other Pound Loneys I don't know about!). Incidentally the same was true of Sailortown which existed previously but was merged in similar circumstances. Keresaspa (talk) 18:44, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

David Lloyd George

Howdy. Did ya ever get wrongly accused of making an edit? GoodDay (talk) 18:21, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

I was once accused of being a sock puppet, if you can believe that! And when I was a wee girl of seven I was falsely accused of attempting to choke a fellow classmate. Hmm...no wonder I didn't have many friends in school.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:24, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

I didn't have many friends either. GoodDay (talk) 18:27, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

True friends are hard to come by in this dog-eat-cat-cat-eat-bird world we live in.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:59, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

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Miami Showband: HET report

Some news stories I'm sure you'll find interesting. ~Asarlaí 03:10, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

I have just been reading them and have updated the Robin Jackson article. I shall have to do the same to the Miami Showband article. Thank you anyway for letting me know. Strange, how Jackson keeps popping back into the news and the media professes to be "shocked" at the revelations!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:09, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

You could say their shock is...shocking :-p

The Pat Finucane Center has uploaded more in-depth info about the report. Unfortunatly, the HET only makes its reports available to the families of victims and it's up to them what gets shared. ~Asarlaí 12:21, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

The PFC has now uploaded the whole 11 pages of the report relating to Jackson. You can find it here. ~Asarlaí 21:51, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. That information has proved useful for the Jackson article.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:16, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Mór Ní Tuathail

Hi there. I corrected the spelling of the above article. You have created and written exemplary articles. I do hope to see more from the above era as they are severely lacking, especially concerning Irish women, both Gael and Gall. Nollaig Shona! Is mise, Fergananim (talk) 17:14, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Would you happen to know whether my grandmother's surname of Tooey is the Anglicised version of Mor's surname? At the moment I'm doing a lot of work on Northern Ireland and Troubles-related articles.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:33, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Greetings

Jeanne, I wish you and yours a happy Christmas when it comes and a good 2012. Till next year. Carson101 (talk) 16:43, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Carson. May you and your family also enjoy the same Merry Christmas and happy 2012! Have fun over the holidays!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:47, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to everybody

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all my fellow Wikipedians. Enjoy the day!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:46, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello Jeanne!

Hello Jeanne! How are you? I'm getting back into editing now, though I won't be creating as many articles as I used to. Have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year--David (talk) 15:38, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello David, how have you been? I hope you also have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. I'm glad to hear you've started editing again. Don't give it up-you create good articles!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:33, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Have a holly jolly Christmas, Jeanne. I hope Santa will be good to you. GoodDay (talk) 02:45, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

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I have just fixed it. Thanks!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:54, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

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Hi Jeanne. I'v begun a discussion about the inclusion of your two newest articles at Template:Campaignbox Northern Ireland Troubles. Let us know what you think. ~Asarlaí 17:20, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

HAPPY NEW YEAR

Here comes year 2012, around the bend.
Year 2011, we'll never see again.
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You've brought tears to my eyes. The summer of 2011 was the best I've had in 10 years....sob...--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:57, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Happy New Year Jeanne. Keep up the great work. ~Asarlaí 17:26, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:27, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you ever so much. I really appreciate it. What a lovely way to start off the New Year! Cheers!!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:58, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Cheers

I just noticed the barnstar you gave me - thanks for that :) Keresaspa (talk) 00:46, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

You're most welcome. You have definitely merited it for all your hard work around here-both on the pages you create and in adding info and images to other articles (such as Anne Ogilby, Royal Avenue, 1907 Belfast Dock strike, Billy Hanna, Robin Jackson, etc.. Wikipedia needs more editors like you!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:26, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

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Irish people of British (sic) descent

Firstly, I must apologise for adding the category to far too many articles. Once again, my enthusiasm got the better of me. It would have being better if I created articles on the surnames concerned, all of which demonstrate British ancestry (I mean British in both sences - Cymric speakers from Strathclyde/Cumbria/Wales/Cornwall/Isle of Man, and people from the island of Britan). Breathnach, Walsh, Wallace, and related names belong in this broad category. I also included people who bore surnames of French or English surnames, or who had a parent or grandparent who was French or English, in similar categories. Regarding Isabel de Clare, I thought that as she was part-Welsh it would be obvious that she was of British descent. Shall I revert all the articles, or have you already done so? Thanks for your input, and especially your courtesy! Is mise, Fergananim (talk) 04:14, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Does this - Breathnach - help explain the matter? Fergananim (talk) 05:43, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Isabel de Clare had no Welsh ancestry, however. Her father, Strongbow was a Norman with lands in Wales and her mother was fully Irish.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:19, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

You're right - why on earth did I think Strongbow had Welsh ancestry? Fergananim (talk) 22:42, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Sub-section

Just to let you know, i'm raising the issue on names quite soon. This past month i've been compiling evidence which needs sorting - but from what i've seen, the conclusion is hardly surprising... Mabuska ^(talk) 23:23, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

My friend says 'Merry Christmas'

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Christmas!!!!

Wonder if they'll cover your airfare and hotel costs. Bielle (talk) 23:16, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, our coffers aren't quite that deep. Nonprofit! :) Anyway, if you feel like making a random road-trip, you're very welcome. Maryana (WMF) (talk) 16:54, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

San Francisco meetup at WMF headquarters

Hi Jeanne boleyn,

I just wanted to give you a heads-up about the next wiki-meetup happening in SF. It'll be located at our very own Wikimedia Foundation offices, and we'd love it if some local editors who are new to the meetup scene came and got some free lunch with us :) Please sign up on the meetup page if you're interested in attending, and I hope to see you soon! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 21:27, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Wonder if they'll cover your airfare and hotel costs. Bielle (talk) 23:16, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

And nothing is mentioned regarding shopping expeditions! Would they give me money to buy a toy cable car or miniature Golden Gate bridge?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:59, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

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Info

Are you still wanting that info you requested on my talk page. I was having a bit of a wikibreak and so just getting back into things. Kernel Saunters (talk) 16:56, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Oh yes, I would really appreciate any information you can give me regarding Billy Hanna and Robin Jackson. Thank you, Kernel.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:58, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Thomas Fienes 8th Baron Dacre and Lady Anne Bourchier

I've used many of your articles to learn the lineage of Colonial American governors. In this process I found a source, The Magna Charta Barons and Their American Ancestors by Charles H. Browning, published 1898, that lists an additional daughter for Sir Thomas Fienes 8th Baron Dacre and Lady Anne Bourchier: Lady Catherine Fienes who married Richard Loudenoys/Londoniis. I do not know if you already considered this source and rejected it, or have not read that particular entry (page 300). It is available online at http://books.google.co.jp/books?id=LsYJ_YB8dpwC&pg=PA301&lpg=PA301&dq=charles+h.+browning+harlakenden&source=bl&ots=2YuZDyXPNf&sig=kZ-IGeKlHL0n0GeJfBbzqzqVkJw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=f8EST42JF8rxmAWQlYGBCg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false.Famhxbios (talk) 12:34, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Is this the only reference to this Catherine Fiennes being a daughter of Anne Bourchier? If so, I find it strange that no later peerage publication lists her.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:20, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Let me take you on a Sea Cruise

"I would prefer to go down with the ship"

Captain Edward Smith would have gone down with the ship.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:37, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

The Troubles Magazine

Today I came upon the website of the Glenravel Local History Project. It publishes books and magazines on the history of Belfast. However, I was surprized to find that, since 2001, it's been publishing a whole stack of magazines about the Troubles! Each issue is an in-depth timeline of each month of the Troubles, drawn from old newspapers and the like. After more serching I found a website that lets you read them in their entirety (well, a lot of them). Surely sources can't get much better than this :-P ~Asarlaí 13:05, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

I have seen them! They are wonderful and full of such detailed information complete with photos. Unfortunately they stop at early 1973. I'm hoping they'll publish more. Oh, thank you for editing 1972 and 1973 Dublin bombings. I still need to add the police investigation and allegations sections, plus a background section would be nice. Check out the 1973 bombing section. Have you noticed, yet another mysterious man with-you've guessed it-an ENGLISH ACCENT!!! Dublin 1972/73, Dublin 1974, Buskhill 1975 and Kingsmill 1976-always a man with an English accent.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:25, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Cazzo

Thanks for explaining cazzo at Talk:Costa Concordia disaster. You are right, and I've found an eminence gris who agrees, but alas those without sources don't want to read what I provided. Sigh. Sometimes it hardly seems worth the battle. BrainyBabe (talk) 13:13, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Which is why Wikipedia comes in for a lot of criticism from academics. And the train wreck rolls on....--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:18, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

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I believe they've all been fixed.Thanks.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:24, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

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Oh no, somebody woke hibernating Mommy Bear and all her little socks again!

Grrrmpf. I've never been able to persuade Giacomo of anything, I'm afraid, and this time I won't even try, as you can see on his page. May I ask why you don't have an e-mail link so publicity-shy people can answer you more conveniently? Bishonen | talk 18:19, 8 February 2012 (UTC).

I thought I had my E-Mail link on my user page! Oh well, here it is: Windows Live Messenger jeannegriffin@hotmail.it I'm sorry I woke you from your hibernation Mommy Bear, it's just that I was so shocked to read about Giano's departure.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:22, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

GiacomoReturned will return, don't you worry about that. Dramatists Drama queens can't stay away forever. GoodDay (talk) 18:25, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh, put a sock in it, GoodDay. Must we have your idiotic commentary on every page of the project? Thank you, Jeanne. Now that I know what to search for, I can indeed see your e-mail addy on your userpage. (Though what do you mean "Windows Live Messenger"?) You do realise that's a dangerous place to put it? Wikipedians won't find it, because that's not where they'll look, and even if they do look, it's hard to find (quite far down on a long page); they'll look for the usual "E-mail this user" link that you can activate in your preferences. While, by contrast, internet crawlbots looking to drown you in spam will find it.

One advantage of activating Wikipedia e-mail is that only registered users can use the link, which is apparently exactly what you prefer anyway. Another is that you will then be able to e-mail other Wikipedians. Since you don't have the wikimail link activated yourself, you probably can't even see other people's links. It's a very safe system which fully protects your e-mail privacy.

About GoodDay's delightful sentiment above: I won't touch it, but I hope you're aware that you may freely remove anything you like from your talkpage? (Please erase this one, or appropriate portions of it in case you prefer to keep the e-mail link reminder, while you're about it.) Bishonen | talk 22:00, 8 February 2012 (UTC).

Bishonen, now you went & hurt my feelings. GoodDay (talk) 22:05, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

O RLY? If you had any self-critical faculty, you'd remove it yourself. It'll be pretty obscure to readers who don't realise that you merely don't know what "dramatist" means, you know. Me, I've had practice, I can look through what you say to what you're trying to say. Bishonen | talk 23:12, 8 February 2012 (UTC).

So now you think it's not idiotic? Amazing. Bishonen | talk 01:20, 9 February 2012 (UTC).

Sean Graham shooting

All yours, mate. Work that Jeanne boleyn magic! Keresaspa (talk) 01:28, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Great job! I'll see what I can add later as I'm going out in a few minutes. It's a very well-written article.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:08, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Willie Frazer

I'm not sure what to think, to be honest, Jeanne. Assuming good faith on Brocach's part (even though I've clashed with him on a few occasions in the past), it does appear that Frazer himself has suggested that the Tandragee murders were in some way related to him, so I'm not sure it's a BLP violation and is probably notable. What are you thinking? — JonC^ॐ 21:50, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

I agree it is notable and as it's sourced to Fraser himself, it really doesn't violate BLP. I think it should stay.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 23:53, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

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Just fixed it! Thanks.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:41, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

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Done!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:58, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Anne Boleyn

Are you related to Anne Boleyn in someway?74.178.186.35 (talk) 16:37, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Anything's possible.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:58, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

XD okay if you are then it's a great honor to have you here.--74.178.186.35 (talk) 18:50, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

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1989 Jonesborough Ambush edit

Hi Jeanne,

Please accept my apologies for not discussing my changes on the article's talk page last night. I'd been meaning to contribute to the page for some time and only got round to it last night. You're quite right I should have discussed any major changes to your work before I deleted them. I see you made a lot of effort today in tidying up the page and it's certainly better than when I left it last night when tiredness over took me.

Thanks for creating the page and for the other work you've done on pages about the Troubles. I plan to put stuff on the talk page in future before making significant edits.

Best wishes,

B626mrk (talk) 22:44, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind message. Apologies accepted! Today happens to be the 23rd anniversary of the killings. I agree that Bob should be used rather than Robert as Buchanan was better known by that name and I do like the images of the two slain officers in the infobox. Cheers and thanks again for your message.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:47, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Jeanne, I'm sure we can reach an agreement on Breen and our discussions will have the ultimate effect of improving the article.

I'm not sure if you're allowed to speculate on here but I'd be interested to know how you think Smithwick is going to end up? I've followed it from the beginning and my own guess is Smithwick is going to find there is no evidence of Garda collusion. I think that there has been an abundance of evidence about "Garda X" having corrupt links to the IRA but there is nothing to suggest he or anyone else in Dundalk directly passed the information about the RUC visit. Essentially, there is a lot of evidence about him acting improperly in other areas but there is no strong evidence of him colluding in the ambush or in other acts of violence with the IRA. If Smithwick gets the intelligence from the British he adjourned for this morning, it may change things but as things look at the moment, there is nothing after 23 years to prove or disprove the assumptions that were made immediately after the killings and then reawakend by Toby Harnden and "Kevin Fulton" who, incidentally, I don't regard as a reliable source. I think it also likely that Buchanan's disregard for his personal security will be cited as a significant contributory factor to what happened to him and Harry Breen.

Happy to discuss with you if you like. B626mrk (talk) 00:00, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

According to British Army esperts, the IRA would never have mounted such an operation upon information given to them at such short notice. I would opine that it took them several hours to prepare for the ambush. Buchanan's disregard for his safety was astonishing and I'm surprised Breen didn't take the precaution of arming himself. As this is a public forum I don't wish to speculate as to why they were ambushed, but let's just say that IMO the whole affair stinks of fish.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:32, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

The post-GD era

Wowsers, this is weird. 1) I'm topic-banned from British & Irish articles. 2) Daicaregos is retired. 3) Carson101 is virtually retired. 4) Snowded has been fairly quiet recently. GoodDay (talk) 18:17, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

And I am creating fewer articles and spending more time on YouTube watching old Monkees clips. Now wouldn't you say the picture is slightly askew?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:23, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

I didn't realize how magnetic my presense was, when I ventured on those articles. GoodDay (talk) 18:56, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Need your help

Can you tell me who the person on this photo is please? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Animal_print_T.jpg
I'd appreciate it! Thanks. --89.0.79.69 (talk) 23:32, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

First edit day!

Happy First Edit Day, Jeanne boleyn, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day!

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Thank you! It's so hard to realise that four years have passed since I made my first edit here.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:02, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Hello!

Hello Jeanne! And thank you, looking around I think there needs to be on created for Isabelle of Lorraine, second wife of Catherine's son --David (talk) 13:42, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Medieval Lands doesn't have much info on her. --Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:53, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Ah I see, I was hoping to create an article about a noblewoman called Isabella but I forgot about her! I forgot who she married, the area of which she was heiress to etc. I know she was a wealthy heiress who married, she was linked to the holy lands and I believe the Muslims inhabited the area that she inherited, if you have any ideas Jeanne let me know thanks --David (talk) 20:30, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I've been doing a bit of research and it sounds like Isabelle of Toron, heiress of Toron and consort of Ruben III, Prince of Armenia. Her brother was Humphrey IV of Toron. My instincts proved correct as Armenia was the first place which popped into my head after reading your question. Isabelle doesn't have an article.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:51, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for doing that research Jeanne, I'm very greatful, it wasn't Isabelle of Toron though, but I may create an article on her now. I believe the Isabelle I'm thinking of lived later than that I believe she was married to a noble probably an Ibelin, she wasn't a Queen as I've checked the Jerusalem, Cypriot, Antioch and Armenian consort lists and there's no indication of her...it so frustrating I'll have to continue looking but thank you again for this Jeanne --David (talk) 21:20, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Isabelle of Toron would make an interesting article, even she isn't the one you're looking for. The Ibelins would indicate Beirut, so I would start checking there.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 04:32, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay, will do I'll tell you if I get anything --David (talk) 14:21, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I have been looking for info on Isabelle of Toron, but there doesn't seem to be anything on her except for the basic biographical outline of her life: birth and death dates, parentage, husband and children. I was hoping to find something about her as a person apart from her relatives.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:51, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah same, a shame really she was Lady of Toron only in name she was unable to exercise power due to the Muslims inhabiting the area, Alice recovered the lands. Had a look through Medieval Lands, found many Isabelle/as not much info on them or they already have good articles still I think it's fantastic how many of the royal/noble women became involved in politics and warfare at the time, the Crusades were a place were the feminists ruled! --David (talk) 20:59, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I've had a go at an article on Isabelle--David (talk) 10:58, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for the invitation but I honestly cannot remember anything about my rare participation in dispute resolution. I vaguely recall ahving taken part within the last year but the details are foggy. I'm sorry.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:03, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar

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	For naintaining NPOV on 'Troubles-related articles', particularly biographies, over an extended period. Keep up the good work. RashersTierney (talk) 09:23, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Rashers. This barnstar is very much appreciated! You've made my day!!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:41, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Almost never give these things out, but felt some acknowledgment was overdue. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 16:21, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

It was very thoughtful of you and has made me happy.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:24, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

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