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George Chiang

Even if there's a newspaper article about the play in the Facebook posting, you still can't cite the Facebook posting as the source: you have to cite the original newspaper article itself, not a Facebook or Twitter repost of it. Bearcat (talk) 14:24, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

"Notable because awards" for a writer does not automatically attach to any award you can find; it attaches only to awards that receive media coverage. That is, a Governor General's Award for drama supports notability, because the media report that award's nomination and winner announcements as news — but an award such as the "Readerview Kids 2018 Reviewers Choice Award", where you have to rely on the award's own self-published website about itself as the source because media coverage of that award is non-existent, does not count as a notability claim. The extent to which a literary award counts as a reason for a writer to get a Wikipedia article is 100 per cent coterminous with the extent to which the media report that award as news. Bearcat (talk) 15:39, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

There is no need to mention the new award. However, The Railroad Adventures of Chen Sing's first two awards were mentioned in two newspaper articles which have been forwarded to you.. One newspaper article was on the original Wiki article and one was sent to you yesterday. Regardless, of the book. There are 3 articles in question. As for the Golden Lotus (musical) sources. I can certainly cite the original newspaper article itself and take down the link to the Facebook posts. that is an easy fix. And the sources thus far listed for George Chiang's acting are all very credible sources. I am still working on the sourcing for that page as there are more.Bearcat (talk) John99Wick (talk) 16:19, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Now is an alt-weekly, not a major daily newspaper. So it can be used for supplementary verification of facts after the article already contains stronger sources, but it is not in and of itself enough to make a topic notable if it's the strongest source on offer. Bearcat (talk) 16:29, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

The Toronto Star article (which I've already read, because I'm the one who put it in Kimberly Huie's article) is not about George Chiang, it just mentions his name a single time in an article that isn't about him otherwise. A source has to be about a person, not just mention his name, to count as support for his notability. It's a perfectly acceptable source to verify the fact, but it doesn't count as a data point toward establishing that he's notable enough. Bearcat (talk) 16:38, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. If his notability as a writer can be properly established by the correct kind of sourcing, then the article can still include any other information about him that can be verified at all, such as acting credits, even if the sources for those facts aren't as solid as the sources that established his notability in the first place. But his notability as a writer still has to be properly established by the correct kind of sourcing before he qualifies to have an article at all — once that's been done, you can use sources like Now or the Toronto Star article for additional verification of facts, those sources just don't count toward establishing his initial notability. Bearcat (talk) 16:58, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

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