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Gaspesian accent
- fête :
- tempête :
- fenêtre :
The ê sound is different pronounced by the same speaker ? 198.105.126.178 (talk) 18:32, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
- Yes. After all, -êt- is often used for etymological purposes, as it used to be -est- earlier in the history of the French language. The circumflex replaces the "s" that used to follow the letter, which was later dropped for ease of pronouncing. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 23:58, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
The three ê (fête, tempête, fenêtre) are really all different in these four clips ? 198.105.126.178 (talk) 00:21, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
The ê in tempête and fenêtre are identical or different ? 198.105.108.2 (talk) 10:40, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
- Different. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 13:00, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Fenêtre rhymes with "night" and tempête rhymes with which word ? 64.18.87.72 (talk) 16:12, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
- It rhymes with "night" as well. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:06, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
拖
You hear [twɔ] or [trwɔ] ? 198.105.109.164 (talk) 12:41, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
- I hear it as the latter (the "r" sound is weak but noticeable). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:52, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
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r sound
Do you hear the difference ? 198.105.112.99 (talk) 22:48, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
The second is "head" ? 198.105.112.120 (talk) 07:37, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
The second sounds like what ? 198.105.109.227 (talk) 16:03, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
- It sounds like head, except for the added initial uvular trilled "r". Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:04, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
gracias
You hear [ˈɡɾasjas] or [ˈɡɾasjɛs] ? 198.105.114.109 (talk) 21:39, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
- I hear it as the latter, though if I were to slow it down, I hear it as the former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:20, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
And this one is [ˈɡɾasjɛs] ? 198.105.106.62 (talk) 12:04, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
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tempête and tête
- tempête :
- tête :
This two ê are the same sound ? 198.105.118.29 (talk) 01:09, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Tête sounds like "tight" ? Fort123 (talk) 12:18, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
- No. It sounds like "tate." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:12, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
- It sounds a bit like "tight", isn't it ? 198.105.118.29 (talk) 17:01, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
- No. It still sounds like "tate" to me. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:47, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Tempête sounds a bit like "tumpayt" ? 198.105.106.68 (talk) 14:27, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- No. It rhymes with "night." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:45, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Do you think the first clip rhymes exactly with night and the second clip rhymes between late and night ? 198.105.106.47 (talk) 23:12, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- Both clips rhyme with "night." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:02, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
The first clip is [tãˈpaɪ̯t] and the second video is [ˈtãpʌɪ̯t] ? 198.105.115.108 (talk) 13:30, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:49, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
- So, the ê is different. 198.105.115.108 (talk) 18:41, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, but slightly. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:01, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
- So, the ê is different. 198.105.115.108 (talk) 18:41, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
It rhymes with "guess" or "ice" ? 198.105.115.108 (talk) 12:18, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
- Neither. It rhymes with "case." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:34, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
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clips
In your computer's speakers, you hear [tãpaɪ̯t]. If you put your earphones, do you hear [tãpeɪ̯t] ? 198.105.112.224 (talk) 12:18, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
- They are actually the same with or without earphones (note that I use Bose headphones). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:50, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
- But in my computer's speakers, I hear [tãpɐɪ̯t]. In my earphones, I hear [tãpɛɪ̯t]. 198.105.112.224 (talk) 18:39, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
I hear fight, not you ? 198.105.112.224 (talk) 01:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
- I hear it as "fate." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:08, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
The /f/ sound isn't strong ? 198.105.114.131 (talk) 21:42, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
- I agree. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:03, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
For the word fête, you knew fight is a nonstandard pronunciation, because you have read in Wiktionary, right ? 198.105.114.131 (talk) 10:39, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
You hear [tã de faɪ̯t] or [tæ̃ de faɪ̯t] ? 198.105.114.131 (talk) 20:21, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- I hear it as the former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:50, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Is there a difference ? 198.105.114.131 (talk) 11:30, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
- There is not much of a difference. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:09, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
- The first clip is exactly "tayt", and the second clip is between "tayt" and "tight" ? 198.105.111.86 (talk) 22:59, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
- No. The second clip is "tayt," just pronounced slightly slower. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:14, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
The first clip is [lezaʁ] and the second clip is [lezɒʁ] ? 198.105.111.86 (talk) 11:16, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
- I believe so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:43, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
key
In 0:39, it's in G-flat major or E-flat minor ? 198.105.101.46 (talk) 00:44, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
- The former (though right before that is in E-flat minor). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:13, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
The intro is in E-flat major ? 198.105.119.232 (talk) 11:27, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
The A-flat major is associated with the color yellow ? 198.105.119.232 (talk) 21:45, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
- That is very much arbitrary. I have no opinion. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:01, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
key
The singing part is in E major or C♯ minor ? 198.105.109.164 (talk) 23:51, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
- It is in the former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:54, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
- Maybe, do you think the home key is C♯ minor ? 198.105.116.94 (talk) 10:33, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:40, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
key
This song is in F major or D minor ? 198.105.120.140 (talk) 13:06, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
- It is in the latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:42, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
ver
If you slow it down, do you hear [va̯ɛʁ] ? 198.105.106.62 (talk) 16:53, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
key
In 03:53, it's in F major or G-flat major ? 198.105.120.54 (talk) 14:28, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
- It is in the former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:02, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
key
This song is in D-flat minor or D minor ? 198.105.118.29 (talk) 13:24, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
- It is in the former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:50, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
key
This song has two keys (E-flat minor and G-flat major) ? 198.105.115.108 (talk) 00:24, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:42, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
This song is in F major or D minor ? 198.105.97.160 (talk) 13:56, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
- It is in the latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:29, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
The music is in D minor and the voice is in F major ? 198.105.102.113 (talk) 20:11, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
- Both are primarily in D minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:15, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
But this one is in F major. It's the same song. 198.105.102.113 (talk) 13:31, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
- True. It is just that the recording studio uses a digital audio workstation (such as Logic Pro) to alter the instruments and singing for a recording. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:49, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
These two songs have the same key ? 166.48.192.151 (talk) 22:37, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
- Hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:46, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
The first song is exactly in F major ? 198.105.104.145 (talk) 12:36, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
This song is in F major ? 198.105.104.145 (talk) 14:25, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
- Hard to tell, especially given how much static it has, as well as it being a preview. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:16, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
- It looks like in G-flat major ? 198.105.104.145 (talk) 12:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
- Around there. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:39, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
- It looks like in G-flat major ? 198.105.104.145 (talk) 12:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Do you think this song is in F major ? 198.105.104.145 (talk) 17:45, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
- No. It is actually close to G-flat major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:43, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
- Between F major and F-sharp major ? 198.105.112.224 (talk) 01:50, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:15, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
- Between F major and F-sharp major ? 198.105.112.224 (talk) 01:50, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
These two versions of the song Linda. The first video is the Cantonese version, the second video is the Mandarin version. The Cantonese version is in 1989, the Mandarin version is in 1993. So, the Cantonese version is the first version. It means the original key is in G-flat major. The Mandarin version is between F major and G-flat major, because he wants to do a difference ? 198.105.112.224 (talk) 20:16, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps so. It makes it easier to distinguish which version it is. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:57, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
key
Do you think this song is between D minor and E-flat minor ? 198.105.111.86 (talk) 01:04, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
- I believe so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:18, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
- Not exactly in E-flat minor ? 198.105.111.86 (talk) 01:21, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
- Not exactly, but very close to E-flat minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:24, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
- Not exactly in E-flat minor ? 198.105.111.86 (talk) 01:21, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
This song sounds a bit like the F major ? 198.105.111.86 (talk) 01:30, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
- No. It is actually in D minor. After all, D minor is enharmonic to F major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:10, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
- Some parts of this song is in F major ? 198.105.111.86 (talk) 11:07, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, but very briefly. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:16, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
- Some parts of this song is in F major ? 198.105.111.86 (talk) 11:07, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
- The F major starts in which second ? 198.105.111.86 (talk) 15:42, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
- Too brief, perhaps only being a few chords and that is all. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:10, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
- In 0:39, right ? 198.105.121.83 (talk) 11:51, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
- Around there, though there is clearly an F major chord at the 0:43 mark. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:38, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
- In 0:39, right ? 198.105.121.83 (talk) 11:51, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
- Too brief, perhaps only being a few chords and that is all. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:10, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
- The F major starts in which second ? 198.105.111.86 (talk) 15:42, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
This song is close to G-flat minor or G major ? 198.105.121.83 (talk) 21:13, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
- It is closer to G major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:10, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
The intro of the song listen to the night is in G minor ? 198.105.121.83 (talk) 13:35, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- Approximately. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:45, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- It's a mixolydian mode ? 198.105.121.83 (talk) 15:48, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:36, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- It's a mixolydian mode ? 198.105.121.83 (talk) 15:48, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Quebec accent
When a Québécois pronounces "fight" for the word fête, it's not a speech disorder ? 198.105.121.83 (talk) 11:50, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- To me, it is not. It is how languages evolve in new environments over time. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:48, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- Do you know why Québécois pronounces like this ? 198.105.110.180 (talk) 22:06, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- No idea. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:18, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Do you know why Québécois pronounces like this ? 198.105.110.180 (talk) 22:06, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Program v. Programme in Canada
Hello, I recently edited the article on the University of Toronto to change spelling of 'program' to the preferred programme. My edits were redacted due to national spelling preferences, or something along those lines.
I request that my spelling edits be left in place as both program and "programme" are used in Canada. As a member of the British Commonwealth of Nations, programme is more technically the correct term, with program having been introduced due to American influence.
In the particular case of the University of Toronto, the spelling programme is preferred by the university, though online materials are inconsistent. On campus, signage is being changed slowly. A recent example is the International Exchange Programme, which was formally renamed recently. A better example is Hart House, which has always maintained the programme spelling. See here; http://harthouse.ca/contacts/#prog
I sincerely hope you will review this evidence and allow my previous edit to stand. Cheers!
trilled R
This is a trilled R ? 198.105.123.1 (talk) 12:20, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
tuning
These two songs are both in F♯4 ? 198.105.123.1 (talk) 19:17, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
This song's key is tuned or not ? 198.105.101.204 (talk) 23:26, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yes it is. It is in D minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 04:22, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
- Exactly in D minor or almost ? 166.48.192.141 (talk) 11:40, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
- Very much in D minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:05, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
- Exactly in D minor or almost ? 166.48.192.141 (talk) 11:40, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Do you think these two songs' key have a slight difference ? 198.105.107.148 (talk) 02:30, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
- I think it's in the same key. 166.48.195.122 (talk) 22:21, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
- They are. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:10, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
- I think it's in the same key. 166.48.195.122 (talk) 22:21, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
They are in the same key or not ? 166.48.193.59 (talk) 14:29, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yes they are, though they are off-tune to some degree. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:16, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
This song is exactly in F major or between F and G♭? 166.48.193.59 (talk) 22:33, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
- It is halfway between F major and G♭ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:07, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
- OK. Finally, I have found another song which is in this key. 166.48.195.237 (talk) 14:32, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
- That is good to know. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:15, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
- OK. Finally, I have found another song which is in this key. 166.48.195.237 (talk) 14:32, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
treize
This pronunciation rhymes with "says", "jazz" or "size" ? 198.105.99.230 (talk) 22:22, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
- It rhymes with "jazz." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:26, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
pêche
- France :
- Quebec :
What is the difference ? 198.105.96.111 (talk) 12:22, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
- Parisian French is pronounced "pash", while Quebec French is pronounced "paish." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:29, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
tête
The difference is slight or noticeable ? 166.48.194.200 (talk) 23:49, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
- Very slight. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:10, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
The second sounds like tight ? 198.105.121.239 (talk) 12:06, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
The first one sounds like tate and the second one sounds like which word ? 198.105.121.239 (talk) 21:56, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
tie/低
- tie :
- 低 :
Do you hear the difference ? 166.48.194.240 (talk) 12:22, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
- Very slight. The latter has a falling tone. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:46, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Do you think the vowel of 低 is shorter than tie ? 166.48.193.68 (talk) 22:11, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
- No. However, tie has a stronger "t" sound than 低 does. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:56, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Disambiguation link fixing one-day contest
I have decided to put on a mini-contest within the November 2013 monthly disambiguation contest, on Saturday, November 23 (UTC). I will personally give a $20 Amazon.com gift card to the disambiguator who fixes the most links on that server-day (see the project page for details on scoring points). Since we are not geared up to do an automated count for that day, at 00:00, 23 November 2013 (UTC) (which is 7:00 PM on November 22, EST), I'll take a screenshot of the project page leaderboard. I will presume that anyone who is not already listed on the leaderboard has precisely nine edits. At 01:00, 24 November 2013 (UTC) (8:00 PM on November 23, EST), I'll take a screenshot of the leaderboard at that time (the extra hour is to give the board time to update), and I will determine from that who our winner is. I will credit links fixed by turning a WP:DABCONCEPT page into an article, but you'll have to let me know me that you did so. Here's to a fun contest. Note that according to the Daily Disambig, we currently have under 256,000 disambiguation links to be fixed. If everyone in the disambiguation link fixers category were to fix 500 links, we would have them all done - so aim high! Cheers! bd2412 T 02:33, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
secondaire
- France :
- Quebec :
The French one rhymes with dare and the Quebec one rhymes with what ? 166.48.194.47 (talk) 23:03, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Maybe the Quebec one rhymes with "ladder" ? 198.105.109.130 (talk) 11:38, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- Not quite. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:49, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
tête
You hear "tate" or "tight" here ? 166.48.193.207 (talk) 01:09, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- The latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:18, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
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- Browser testing support: If you are interested in technical details, the browser tests were expanded to cover some basic cursor operations, which uncovered an issue in our testing framework that doesn't work with cursoring in Firefox; the Chrome tests continue to fail due to a bug with the welcome message for that part of the testing framework.
- Load time: VisualEditor now uses content language when fetching Wikipedia:TemplateData information, so reducing bandwidth use, and users on multi-language or multi-script wikis now get TemplateData hinting for templates as they would expect (bug 50888).
- Reuse of VisualEditor: Work on spinning out the user experience (UX) framework from VisualEditor into oojs-ui, which lets other teams at Wikimedia (like Flow) and gadget authors re-use VisualEditor UX components, is now complete and is being moved to a shared code repository.
- Support for private wikis: If you maintain a private wiki at home or at work, VisualEditor now supports editing of private wikis, by forwarding the Cookie: HTTP header to Parsoid (
$wgVisualEditorParsoidForwardCookiesset to true) (bug 44483). (Most private wikis will also need to install Parsoid and node.js, as VisualEditor requires them.)
Looking ahead:
- VisualEditor will be released to some of the smaller Wikipedias on 02 December 2013. If you are active at one or more smaller Wikipedias where VisualEditor is not yet generally available, please see the list at VisualEditor/Rollouts.
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- In terms of feature improvements, one of the major infrastructure projects affects how inserting characters works, both using your computer's built-in Unicode input systems and through a planned character inserter tool for VisualEditor. The forthcoming rich copying and pasting feature was extended and greater testing is currently being done. Work continues to support the improved reference dialog to quickly add citations based on local templates.
If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 22:30, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
neige
This pronunciation is [neɪ̯ʒ] or [naɪ̯ʒ] ? 198.105.109.128 (talk) 22:01, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- The latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:01, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
key
This song is in major key or minor key ? 198.105.102.93 (talk) 13:32, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
- It is minor key, more specifically D minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:18, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
The singing part is in major key ? 198.105.102.93 (talk) 18:23, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, more specifically F major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:19, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Are you capable to distinguish A major and B-flat major ? 198.105.113.238 (talk) 02:25, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
It's difficult to distinguish A major and B-flat major, because they are similar ? 198.105.113.238 (talk) 20:42, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- I am capable of distinguishing the two keys. They are only one semitone apart. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 04:23, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
The first one is in F major and the second one is in E major ? 198.105.107.6 (talk) 12:55, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
The first one is in E minor and the second is in E-flat minor ? 198.105.107.6 (talk) 00:54, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- The first is in E minor and the second is halfway between E♭ minor and E minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:30, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
key
This song is in C major or D-flat major ? 166.48.193.207 (talk) 14:50, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- The latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:54, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
These two songs' key are the same or different ? 166.48.193.207 (talk) 15:43, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- They have very much the same key. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:41, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
key
The chorus is in major key ? 198.105.109.128 (talk) 23:07, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hard to tell, but yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:18, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
G-flat major
Do you think the G-flat major sounds strangely ? 198.105.122.239 (talk) 12:57, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- No. It just happens to have its major chord being completely on black keys (on the piano). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:40, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
The G-flat major key can make someone happy ? 198.105.101.129 (talk) 17:56, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- As with all major keys, yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:16, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Do you know many songs is in G-flat major ? 198.105.101.129 (talk) 13:26, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
- Too many to name. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 18:02, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Take me to your heart is in G-flat ? 198.105.101.129 (talk) 19:29, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:20, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
This song is in G-flat major or E-flat minor ? 198.105.101.129 (talk) 11:45, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:41, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
It can be a G-flat major or an E-flat minor. 198.105.101.129 (talk) 23:33, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well then, it is in G-flat major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:34, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
caisse
This pronunciation is [kɛs] or [kɛːs] ? 166.48.196.83 (talk) 12:23, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- It sounds like "case." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:21, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
tempête
The first one is "tompet", the second one "tohmpate" and the third one "tumpate" ? 198.105.102.219 (talk) 21:51, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- The first two are correct. The third sounds like "tompight." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:06, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
key
This song is in F major, G-flat major or between F major and G-flat major ? 166.48.197.19 (talk) 22:13, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- It is in G♭ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:36, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
The keys are different or not ? 166.48.196.69 (talk) 12:26, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- They are the same. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:55, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
The first video is closer to G-flat major and the second is closer to F major ? 166.48.193.138 (talk) 21:53, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- That may be true. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:00, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
This song is in D minor ? 166.48.193.121 (talk) 22:33, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- No. It sounds more like E♭ minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:07, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
The first one is exactly in E-flat minor and the second one ? 198.105.111.236 (talk) 15:10, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- ... is also exactly in E♭ minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:07, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
What is the difference between these two keys ? 198.105.99.139 (talk) 22:50, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- The former is much closer to F♯ major than the latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:32, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
ancêtre
This pronunciation rhymes with "set" or "sight" ? 166.48.193.206 (talk) 17:36, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
- The latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:53, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
key
The first one is surely in E-flat minor. I think the second one is not exactly in E-flat minor, because the E-flat minor can make someone cry. Do you think the second one is between D minor and E-flat minor ? 166.48.170.32 (talk) 01:46, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- The latter is closer to E♭ minor than it is to D minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:22, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- The latter is lower than the former ? 166.48.170.32 (talk) 11:53, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Very slightly. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:41, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- The latter is lower than the former ? 166.48.170.32 (talk) 11:53, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N18HZJLG9jg
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OONN6n8RVI
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ysU1xqCcD0
What is the difference in these keys ? 166.48.170.32 (talk) 16:06, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- The first one is closer to F major, while the other two are very close to G♭ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:07, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Do you think the second one sounds like a F major ? 166.48.196.171 (talk) 13:34, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- No. It is slightly closer to G♭ major than it is to F major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:50, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- F major: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rOrHAl1EPc
- No name: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N18HZJLG9jg
- No name: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OONN6n8RVI
- No name: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDq5ENMf120
- G-flat major: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH6I3m5_bDg
What is the difference in these keys ? 166.48.196.171 (talk) 18:00, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- The middle two are very much halfway between F major and G♭ major, some slightly closer to G♭ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 04:04, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
I did an ascending order. The song Feliz Navidad is almost in G-flat major. 166.48.173.32 (talk) 15:15, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
guêpe
This pronunciation rhymes with "gap", "tape" or "type" ? 166.48.173.57 (talk) 14:17, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
- It rhymes with "tape." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:48, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Quebec accent
In 0:07, the word peut-être is pronounced "per-tate" or "per-tight" ? 166.48.184.185 (talk) 02:27, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
- The former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:44, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
In 1:12, the word circulaire rhymes with "hair" or "fire" ? 166.48.192.110 (talk) 12:52, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
- It rhymes with the first syllable of "error." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:49, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
In 2:14, the word vert is pronounced [vɛʁ], [væʁ] or [vaɪʁ] ? 166.48.188.186 (talk) 21:30, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
- It rhymes with "air." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:01, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
- Do you hear "vaère" ? 166.48.192.12 (talk) 13:20, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
- [vɛʁ] is impossible. The vowel is more open than [ɛ]. Do you think it's [væːʁ] ? 166.48.194.36 (talk) 19:50, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
- Close enough. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:11, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
- [vɛʁ] is impossible. The vowel is more open than [ɛ]. Do you think it's [væːʁ] ? 166.48.194.36 (talk) 19:50, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
In 2:37, the word caisse rhymes with "face" or "ice" ? 166.48.189.221 (talk) 17:49, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
- The former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 22:07, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
And this one, the word caisse rhymes with "face" or "ice" in 0:10 ? 166.48.197.74 (talk) 22:11, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
- The former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:13, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Do you think it rhymes with "ice" ? Fort123 (talk) 17:11, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
- It depends on who is speaking. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:33, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
- France:
- Quebec:
The French pronunciation rhymes with "fresh" and the Quebec pronunciation rhymes with which word ? Fort123 (talk) 20:13, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
- "Paish." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:03, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
It means [peɪ̯ʃ] or [paɪ̯ʃ] ? 166.48.178.64 (talk) 11:55, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
- The latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:38, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Do you know the difference between [eɪ̯] and [aɪ̯] ? 166.48.196.68 (talk) 21:57, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
- The latter sounds like "eye," while the former does not. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 04:09, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- France:
- Quebec:
What is the difference in the second syllable ? Fort123 (talk) 17:24, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
- The former has the first syllable stressed, while the latter has the second syllable stressed. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:40, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
"kanar" and "kanor" ? Fort123 (talk) 17:43, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
- The former sounds closer to "canal." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 21:43, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Do you know the difference between [a] and [ɑ] ? The French pronunciation is [kanaʁ] and the Quebec pronunciation is [kanɑʁ] ? Fort123 (talk) 01:40, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
- The latter sounds rounder than the former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:47, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
It is close to [ɡaɪ̯p] or [ɡjaɪ̯p] ? Fort123 (talk) 02:52, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
- The former. I do not detect a "y" sound. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:02, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
[ɑ̃sɛːtʁ], [ɑ̃saɪ̯tʁ], [ɑ̃seɪ̯tʁ], [ɑ̃sætʁ]. Which one is the closest pronunciation ? Fort123 (talk) 03:07, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
- [ɑ̃saɪ̯tʁ] Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:11, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
This pronunciation is [ɚ̃ kilɔmaɪ̯tʁ], [ɚ̃ kilɔmʌɪ̯tʁ] or [ɚ̃ kilɔmeɪ̯tʁ] ? 166.48.185.45 (talk) 17:58, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
- [ɚ̃ kilɔmeɪ̯tʁ] Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:12, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
key
This song is in G-flat major ? 166.48.184.64 (talk) 14:51, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpqmoBYkQfc
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyEJt88fbiA
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VklccWgI19k
What is the difference in these three songs' key ? 166.48.184.64 (talk) 20:30, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
- They are all various microtones between D minor and E♭. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:35, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
- They are not in the same key ? 166.48.180.110 (talk) 13:04, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
- None are exactly the same key. They vary extremely slightly, but enough not to be the same. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:10, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
- They are not in the same key ? 166.48.180.110 (talk) 13:04, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
If I press only on black keys in a piano, it's in G-flat major ? 166.48.180.110 (talk) 15:51, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
- Pentatonic G♭ major, yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:03, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
fate/feit
- fate:
- feit:
Do you hear the difference ? 166.48.172.176 (talk) 13:05, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
Fate is [feɪt], feit is [faɪt], no ? 166.48.172.176 (talk) 16:12, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- Both sound like [feɪt] to me. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:32, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
key
Are you capable to sing in the key between F major and G-flat major with your voice ? 166.48.176.6 (talk) 02:42, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
- Without accompaniment, no. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:48, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
You can sing in this key only with music ? 166.48.176.6 (talk) 02:53, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
- Yes. I get out of tune in a given key without any accompaniment. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:10, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
The G-flat major makes someone happy ? 166.48.176.6 (talk) 15:33, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
- As with all major keys, yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:16, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
The G-flat major sounds more special than other major keys ? 166.48.173.123 (talk) 13:07, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
- They are just the same, aside from the fact that on the piano, the G♭ major chord is played only on black keys. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:07, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
The G-flat major makes someone to think the sunshine ? 166.48.185.117 (talk) 21:12, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
- Probably. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:42, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
pain
- Paris:
- Avignon:
What is the difference ? 166.48.184.30 (talk) 20:18, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
- In Avignon, "pain" sounds almost like the English word "pain." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:50, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
- quand:
Does this pronunciation rhymes with young ? 166.48.193.127 (talk) 13:08, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
treize
This pronunciation is [tʁɛːz], [tʁæːz] or [tʁaɪ̯z] ? 166.48.196.131 (talk) 22:19, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
- The second one. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:19, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
secondaire
This pronunciation is [sœɡõdɛʁ], [sœɡõdəʁ] or [sœɡõdæʁ] ? 166.48.192.124 (talk) 12:50, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
- [sœɡõdɛʁ] Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:47, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
- France:
- Quebec:
If I compare with the French pronunciation, do you hear [sœɡõdæʁ] in the Quebec pronunciation ? 166.48.185.54 (talk) 22:08, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:02, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
hiver
This pronunciation is close to [ivɛʁ], [ivæʁ] or [ivaɪ̯ʁ] ? 166.48.185.54 (talk) 13:19, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
- It sounds like [ivəʁ] to me. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:05, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
pâte
What is the difference ? 166.48.188.169 (talk) 02:54, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
- The former sounds like "pot", while the latter sounds like "pout". Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:33, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
fête
- Gaspésie:
- Jèrriais:
- Quebec (une fête):
- Quebec:
What is the difference ? By the way, happy new year ! 166.48.188.157 (talk) 02:44, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
- The first and third sound like "fet," while the second and fourth sound like "fight." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:05, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Oops ! It's my mistake. The second sounds like "fate" now ? 166.48.188.157 (talk) 03:10, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
key
This song is in D minor or E-flat minor ? 166.48.185.158 (talk) 13:23, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
- It is rather halfway between the two. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:50, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
populaire
新年快樂 ! What is the difference in the last syllable ? 166.48.188.130 (talk) 02:33, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
- The latter sounds like "lie." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:01, 2 January 2014 (UTC)