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Hawaiʻi WikiProject Newsletter - Issue II - May 2008

Aloha. The May 2008 issue of the Hawaiʻi WikiProject newsletter has been published. To change your delivery options or unsubscribe, visit this link. Mahalo nui loa. WikiProject Hawaiʻi 17:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

thank spam

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which passed with 194 supporting, 9 opposing, and 4 neutral. Your kindness and constructive criticism is very much appreciated. I look forward to using the tools you have granted me to aid the project. I would like to give special thanks to Tim Vickers, Anthony and Acalamari for their nominations. Thank you again, VanTucky

"Here because your article was deleted" page

Hi there: I noted a very useful page at the talk page of User:Keeper76 and asked him about it: I quote: "You can only have the page if you immediately and profusely thank the creator of the page that I stole it from (and modified a bit), User:jonny-mt. His is located here. My talkpage has been sooooo much cleaner after stealing his genius, and modifying the page to be "from the deleter" instead of "from the speedy tagger"... Please accept my immediate and profuse thanks, I believe this is something I badly need. I know of another editor who does a lot of work in new page patrol and I'm going to bring this to his/her attention as well, with the same stricture. If you have any questions or problems, I'm at your service; thanks for creating this useful and valuable contribution. Accounting4Taste:talk 17:02, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, not at all! I'm just glad it's useful. Oh, and "genius" may be stretching it a bit, to say the least :) --jonny-mt 00:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

A new entry for Fotoalbum.eu

Hi Jonny You deleted my page about fotoalbum.eu. I have now read the many guidelines and made a new page on the subject. I really hope you will accept this page, as I think the text is perfectly objective and now has several references attached. I have been looking on many other pages about similar subjects, and I do think this page follow the standards. And why have a page about this subject? Well almost all photo sharing sites are solely in English today – also the ones described on Wikipedia. I think the international users should know about alternatives in their own languages - and I think it would be spamming to create 18 different Wikipedia inputs in the 18 different languages to describe the service. Regards, Gordon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gordonblack (talk • contribs) 10:08, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Gordon,

Thanks for your message. Although you have done much better on this attempt, to make a long story short I am still not convinced that an article about Fotoalbum.eu belongs on Wikipedia. Put simply, the criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia is not whether or not readers "should" know about something--a subjective call to say the least--but rather that something has been written about elsewhere. Although your article as it stands is still a candidate for speedy deletion, I've opted instead to add a tag that provides a link to the proper notability guidelines. Please have a look through those when you get a chance, and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions. --jonny-mt 12:18, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

I just saw some joke from April 29 in your page. As an admin, you will be hit by such things. Take it as a cost of doing business, and have a laugh. :-) Bearian (talk) 13:35, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Heh; I hadn't even noticed that. Looks like they just went down the list of vandalism warnings on their talk page--I consider it to be kind of flattering that they noticed me :P Thanks for the heads up, not to mention keeping an eye out for me! --jonny-mt 16:13, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Why did you delete our page?

I am curious as to why you felt a page about at police officer and the mission of his nonprofit organization would be advertising with no value to Wikipedia readers. The enitire focus of the article was on law enforcement, education and the death of a police officer. Why is that worthy of deletion? We will be appealling the deletion and posting future articles. If you have VALID reasons for deleting it, please voice them.

The Ronnie Williams FoundationLegacy653 (talk) 13:55, 7 May 2008 (UTC) www.thergwfoundation.org

Hi Legacy,

I deleted the article under criteria G11 of the speedy deletion criteria, which states that articles which have the promotion of some entity as their primary purpose may be deleted on sight. In this case, another editor had tagged the article for review, and I agreed with their assessment. More specifically, the article read as you would expect a pamphlet to read, speaking fondly of the man after whom it is named and listing the good things that it has done using subjective, emotional language. While I have no doubts that your intention was to simply spread the word, as it were, Wikipedia is not a memorial, nor is it a tool for spreading the word about your foundation.

I know that this sounds extremely harsh and even callous, but I want to make it clear that this is not meant to diminish Ronnie, your foundation, or the good works associated with both. Rather, this is simply an extension of Wikipedia's core principles, which require (among other things) that articles be written from a neutral point of view using neutral language and that their content be verifiable in third-party sources. Sadly, your article satisfied neither of those criteria.

I am not looking to stop you from spreading the word about your foundation; rather, I hope you continue to do so in an appropriate venue. From what I can tell, however, Wikipedia is simply not the place for this content. --jonny-mt 16:36, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

...for taking care of business! :) Viriditas (talk) 08:19, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Edit conflict

Oops. No worries, we can just leave it be. :D Tiptoety ^talk 15:58, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[1], we could have just left it with your protection, no worries though. Cheers, Tiptoety ^talk 16:00, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

So apparently you and I are in sync, because I just edit conflicted on my response to you :P Ah, I was halfway hoping that our conflicting protections would be something like crossing the streams and result in a cool explosion or something, but no dice. Guess we'll just have to try harder next time.... --jonny-mt 16:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

"We are one with the wiki" :D, maybe next time we will blow up the server or something. Tiptoety ^talk 16:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:AFDO

Hey there Jonny-mt! A real quick note. I noticed that you finished off the debates for April 28th and the 29th, and removed them from WP:AFDO, which is excellent. You may not be aware (and if you are, I apologize in advance), but after removing the "0 open" logs from AFDO, you need to cut paste the link to the archived discussions located here. Just a heads up for next time (I did these two already)...thanks for your work! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:58, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Oop, my bad! Sorry about that--I'll be sure to copy the link from now on. Thanks for fixing that (and the link on my page...and for the referral above...and for anything else I might be missing :D). --jonny-mt 00:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I accept Paypal. Happy editing,  :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:49, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of CeraSport page on May 8th

Hi,

last night you deleted a page i created for CeraSport and the corresponding talk page that went with it. It is a page that was previously deleted because it was said to be advertising. Just wondering what I can edit to make the page acceptable. Thanks BJanis —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.234.157.225 (talk) 18:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

You might want to start by taking a look through User:jonny-mt/CSD if you haven't already, but basically I deleted your page because it read to me like an advertisement for the product. Although it's true that there weren't a whole lot of marketing terms (typically the clearest indicator of blatant spam), I took into consideration the fact that marketing for sports drinks typically hinges on convincing the consumer that a given product is scientifically superior to others and will result in a higher level of fluid absorption. The use of ® marks next to the product name, provision of the specific nutrition label content, suggestion that the reader e-mail Cera customer service, and discussion of its major competitors convinced me that the article was being written with an eye to promotion rather than as a neutral encyclopedia article, and so I deleted it.

If you want to fix the article, then, you need to write a neutral article that simply gives the broad facts. Remember that this is an encyclopedia--readers do not need to know the specific nutritional value of the drink, nor are they coming here to try and choose the best sports drink on the market (after all, that is what specialized periodicals are for). Paint the product in broad strokes, explain why it is notable, provide appropriate sources, and then be prepared to have it edited/deleted/moved/merged etcetera for the rest of its life here on Wikipedia. If you do all this, then it should have a fair shot at staying. --jonny-mt 01:41, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply,

I just wanted to let you know that we used Gatorades post ( see the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatoraid) as a model for our post. As you will see in looking at their post, they have a nutrition label, as well as mentioning their competitors within their post. They even use promotional images. I am not trying to be combative, I just want a fair shot at posting an article about this product.

So it sounds like if we remove the register marks and the invitation to contact Cera products for more info that we have a shot at getting this post accepted. If I am wrong please let me know.

Thanks for the consideration, I am new to wikipedia. Bjanis —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.234.157.225 (talk) 03:43, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Tauhei Combined School

Tauhei Combined School Please explain why Wikipedia has a link to Tauhei Combined School http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_schools_in_Waikato,_New_Zealand though do not want the data I have supplied entered? I have just tried to contribute well researched data about history and contact details however you have still deleted it.

Please check out other schools e.g.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tauhara_College

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taupo_Intermediate

and let me know what we have done wrong.

THANKS Annette

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Avjensen" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Avjensen (talk • contribs) 09:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Please take a look at the "Advertisements and spam" section of User:jonny-mt/CSD. The promotional language used convinced me that the article was created primarily to promote the school, and so I deleted it per the relevant speedy deletion criteria. --jonny-mt 09:44, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Japanese source

Hi there! I don't think we've met before, but I found you from a category-intersection of Category:Wikipedia administrators and Category:User ja-4. Is there any chance you could take a look at this edit and tell me if the source is acceptable with regards WP:V, WP:RS, etc? If it's reliable and says what it needs to say, I'm all for leaving it in... Happy‑melon 20:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Huzzah, that ja-4 came in handy! The website linked to is the official site of the Shiki Theatre Company, a massive and well-respected company (they actually have their own WikiProject on ja-wiki), so it's definitely reliable. However, it actually says that the release is planned for July 23 rather than July 27, and it doesn't state specifically that the actors are the original cast. That being said, they are all definitely with the company, and the Japanese article lists two as previous actors while the official site lists one as a current actor, so I have no reason to challenge that particular fact.

Let me know if you want me to convert it to a {{cite web}}! --jonny-mt 13:16, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

If you could, that would be fantastic. Thanks for your help! Happy‑melon 14:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, but it's done! --jonny-mt 03:43, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Happy‑melon 10:47, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Operation Bold Action

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Operation Bold Action. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. MrPrada (talk) 22:42, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I wanted to let you know that I left some additional comments on this page Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 May 12--Kumioko (talk) 17:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Operation United Front

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Operation United Front. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. MrPrada (talk) 22:42, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Saloon Doors Emporium

Hello Jonny-mt:

You recently deleted content based on advertising that we hope can be modified to fit the perameters of Wikipedia. After reading through your helpful tips on reasons why pages were deposited into the "digital dustbin", it was noticed you could supply the original article so it can be edited. If you could please do this it would be most helpful.

Though you are probably quite busy, if you have any additional edit suggestions to offer that would keep us with wikipedia's perameters, that would be great.

Thank you, Curt Q12345q (talk) 15:16, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Curt,

Thanks for the kind request. I've userfied the article content to User:Q12345q/Saloon Doors Emporium, so you can take your time and work on it there. Be aware when editing that your task is to establish notability using reliable sources--the notability guideline for companies should help you with that. Likewise, you need to be careful that you are editing with a neutral point of view in mind. Judging by the way the original article was written, I suspect you may have a conflict of interest that may lead you (either consciously or unconsciously) to write about the company in a more favorable manner than is warranted. As long as you are careful in your writing and in the presentation of the facts, though, this can be overcome--when in doubt, you can ask for some outside opinions and advice here.

Finally, although the article is relatively safe in your userspace, I should let you know that there is still the possibility that it may be deleted, either through speedy deletion or the Miscellany for deletion process. This is relatively unlikely, though--any administrator worth their salt would check the article history and see that I userfied the page per your request, and the community is generally fairly tolerant of workpages (although permanent archives of articles that have long since been deleted or significantly altered do get taken down). If you ever come to a point where you decide that a proper article can't be written about this company and you wish to have the workpage deleted yourself, you can just put {{db-user}} on the top and it will be taken care of in short order.

I hope this helps, and good luck! --jonny-mt 15:44, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello Jonny-mt:

Appreciate your prompt response. I will take your suggestions and work to make the necessary revisions.

Mahalo, Curt —Preceding unsigned comment added by Q12345q (talk • contribs) 23:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

User:Apostrophe vandalism

In case you were wondering, the IP vandalism to this user's page most likely stems from an Encyclopedia Dramatica article regarding the Pokémon Mudkips, which encourages readers to attack Apostrophe and vandalize various pages to include Mudkips references. I'd link to it, but I think ED links are blacklisted. --clpo13_(talk) 02:05, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for the info. I looked through his contributions and talk page but couldn't really find anything to indicate where all the random IPs were coming from. Guess it might be time to start mopping up some of the more egregious messes over at ED, too.... --jonny-mt 05:18, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Protection of Television ...

... can you please do the same for Hercules? The topic has been brought in the talk page several times, but no administrator picks it up. This article is vandalized every day, several times! よろしくお願いします。 Miguel.mateo (talk) 02:29, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

 Done. Based on how long the current rash of vandalism has been going on, I've semi-protected it for ten days. In the future, you can just make a request at WP:RFPP.

On an unrelated note, huzzah for another Tokyo-based Japanese-speaking editor! I don't know about you, but I've been keeping an eye on Jimbo's schedule to see when he's coming back next--hopefully we can have an informal en-wiki meetup when he does.　　まぁ、とりあえずお互いに頑張りましょう！ --jonny-mt 05:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure, let me know. Thanks for Hercules, will follow your instructions in the future. それでは。。。 Miguel.mateo (talk) 07:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of sock IP notice

RE deletion of User:162.83.209.26 pleas see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User talk:162.83.209.26. this was speedily kept per MFD. This IP was apparently used by Evinatea (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log), a self-admited sock puppet of Jrod2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log). Who BTW was the requestor asking for its speedy (using an inapropriate template {{db-attack}}. We don't typicaly delete these types of notices, nor do we delete on the behest of thos involved in the misuse of the IP/account. After resoring, its recomended that protection be used, this IP has been under attack multiple times in attempte to "hide" past abuse. thanks --Hu12 (talk) 06:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow. I thought there was something strange about the request, but given that IP addresses can reasonably be expected to change hands over a year or so I thought it was all right. Thanks for the heads-up and for filling me in on the details--I'll restore and protect the page. --jonny-mt 07:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately I was unavailable to participate in the AfD and the deletion process was closed without me having the opportunity to make a counter-argument. Hu12 said "We dont delete sockpuppetry notices, especialy IP's connected to this much disruption--Hu12 (talk) 18:05, 3 May 2008 (UTC)". Well, the alleged "sock puppetry notice" was a fabrication by User:Biggy_P who was antagonizing me from the day one. I never denied that was my user IP prior to opening my User:Evinatea account. It was later proven that in fact, he was the sock puppeteer master, not me. User Hu12 claims there was a lot of disruption, well that's his opinion. The only disruption was having to learn how to use WP within 48 hours and being persistently harassed by Biggy P's socks. Hu12 in his rush to make conclusions, has overlooked the fact that on my user page I have stated that User:Evinatea is my legitimate second account, which I use within strict WP rules and when I see it fit. I also had made an explanation to the Community Board as to why I had to create this new account. User:Hu12 wants to prove what he can't prove, and that is that my intentions at Wikipedia is to spam it. He has called me "pathetic" in his talk page and pretty much has defined my behavior as "despicable". While I am only concerned that false and libelous information about my company does not spread across the internet, he has been uncooperative and judgmental (whatever happened with WP:AGF?) and he appears to be making, in an indirect manner, personal attacks against me as well. If these are not actions of an abusive admin, I don't know what is. Jrod2 (talk) 16:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Making frivolous accusations at other users will not help you make a point. Impersonating someone elses' identity (using the IP 162.83.209.26 and using Evinatea) to promote your company and was/is inconsistent with Wikipedia policy. May want to read;

• Wikipedia is in the real world
• Law Of Unintended Consequences
• Civility

Records like this are required for transparency, not to "make them go away" just because you don't like it. However the "evidence link" in the sockpuppet notice points to the "blanked" talk page, and probably could be removed, while leaving the core sock notice. I defer to jonny-mt on that, and will support his decision. --Hu12 (talk) 18:08, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

It seems to me that you choose to focus on my early edits in order to justify your own actions. What if I told you that at one point the engineer in question used the User:Evinatea account to leave someone a message? Would you now change your tune and start calling us meat puppets? Look, you can choose to see this any way you want, and that's still not going to change the fact, that (1) I was new (2) I didn't know how to make contributions (3) I made an obvious newcomer mistake by signing personal information on an article (4) I never posted my company name and my engineer's name on any article at WP ever again as a new user. Now, this is so obvious and consistent with the behavior of a new and ignorant user. But, you choose to see it differently. Everybody knows how futile it is to try going against the rules, so why would I still be here if I was not a user who has conducted himself properly all this time? You on the other hand do not appear to assume good faith and by your own admission on your user page, you are "an abusive admin". I am curious to see how far someone like you goes in life with that rationale. Jrod2 (talk) 19:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

About that last point, you might want to take a look through WP:ROGUE. We're all "abusive admins" at some point. --jonny-mt 02:16, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

RE: User:162.83.209.26

Hello Jonny,

This was my IP. When I was a newbie, I was accused of doing spam for my company but in effect, I was just trying to contribute to an audio article at WP. I should have read the rules prior to posting because I didn't know how things worked until 48 hours after my first edits. By then I was accused of spam, promoting my mastering engineer and I was being harassed by a sock puppeteer who had me invest many weeks in my defense. My first username account was User:Evinatea which is similar to the name of the engineer that works for my company. The user who harrassed me apparently left a tag and in it the words "[Spam and vandalism for www.musicmast......]" .

I'd like to ask you to delete the libelous wording against my company that gets picked up by Google and there is a concern that our clients can find it on the web. I'd also like to request, at your convenience, to assist me deleting on talk pages anything that relates to the unfair and unfounded accusations about my company, my engineer or me personally as a user. I have demonstrated to be an asset to WP long time ago and this is the right thing to do. If you look deep in the past, you will find that 48 hours after my first edits, I never posted anything else that would implicate promoting my company or the engineer's name. Please help, I have partners with this business and I can't afford this type nuisance on the web. Thanks for reading. Jrod2 (talk) 11:15, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I've done my best to go through all the material above and get caught up. As per Hu12's suggestion above, I've removed all but the core sock notice from the IP's page based on the fact that the additional links and notices are extraneous.

As far as the question of whether or not you were spamming, it's one thing to accidentally sign your contributions in article space and another entirely to list a name, position, and company. While it's not exactly the most blatant spam I've seen (and I've seen my share), it is definitely suspect, as is the fact that you initially identified yourself as an individual with whom you are affiliated. WP:AGF means that one should automatically extend good faith in the absence of evidence to the contrary; edits like these are evidence to the contrary.

However, that was in the past. You appear to have learned from your experience and become a good faith editor, and your work is appreciated. That being said, you would be well-served by reading through the links Hu12 provided above, particularly the one about consequences. It seems to me that the actual events were relatively minor and could have easily passed into obscurity had the issue been left alone, but here we are a year later still talking about them.

To illustrate it more concretely, as an individual, I now know about a situation that I was unaware of before yesterday. Given the fact that I likely have a number of people watching my user and talk pages, some of these people are probably aware of the situation now as well. Likewise, I receive at least one talk page message for every day of reasonable activity on Wikipedia, which means that anyone who comes to leave me a message over the next ten days or so (the amount of time it takes for my talk page to be archived) may become aware of the situation. And of course, none of this takes into account the people who will randomly browse through my talk page, contributions, or deletion/undeletion log and see activity related to this.

I'm not trying to berate you--I'm just trying to show you that with a single edit you set off a chain of events that has now informed dozens of individuals of this situation who were not aware of it before. In other words, continued attempts to wipe the slate clean will only result in it getting dirtier--the only way to make this go away is to simply let it.

More to the point, as I do not see any personal attacks against your chief engineer or slander against your company that has not already been handled, I don't believe there is any need for me to take any further action on this, and I would honestly suggest that you do the same. --jonny-mt 02:15, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Not to contradict your wise words and opinions, but one only needs to see the way I had signed the first edit to realize that it was someone who had no clue about the way Wikipedia worked. Spammers, as you know, are savvy users of WP and once they are caught, they run away or become another IP address to continue spamming. If spam was what I had in mind in March 2007, then this would have probably been the dumbest attempt at it that you've ever seen, would you agree on that? In addition, WP:AGF should not be regarded as something that is merely textual (if it looks like spam is spam) but something very human. If I said: "Hey, I am sorry!, I won't do this again, I thought I was doing this correctly, honest", why would you or anybody else question that? Ironically, I am the one user who ended the rampant spam going on at the article Audio_mastering; I and other users created very strict guidelines of inclusion to the army of audio engineers who wanted their names or mastering companies mentioned there. If the article looks as good as it does, that's also my contribution to WP. Thanks for your comments and for reading. Jrod2 (talk) 10:07, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks so much for your support in myRfA, which closed successfully this morning. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 16:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Saying Hello

I didn't notice you were there... until now... so I'd just like to say hello to you! How are you? Sorry I couldn't use the IRC channels: it's that filtering system back here. --Marianian (talk) 07:52, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Google TechTalks

Just thought you might like to know another editor took an afd you closed to DRV. You can see the conversation there. Google TechTalks. -Djsasso (talk) 19:01, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up! I made it two months as an admin without any DRVs; guess that's what you get when you start closing the stragglers on WP:AFDO :P --jonny-mt 23:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Toni Gilhooley

Hi, you deleted this page as spam... I recreated it in a non-spammy tone. Maybe not the most notable person but... I already clicked save page. Just giving you a heads up. --Rividian (talk) 00:39, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, I decided that the copyright infringement was the more pressing reason for deletion, but thanks for the heads-up--the stub looks great :) --jonny-mt 00:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

my RfA - Ta!

Gwen gleans, wending keen by the wikirindle.

Thanks for supporting my RfA, which went through 93/12/5. I'll be steadfast in this trust the en.Wikipedia community has given me. Cheers! Gwen Gale (talk) 01:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

User:Jonny-mt/CSD

This page is amazing! I was so impressed and in awe of it that I copied it over to my userspace at User:Cunard/CSD. I hope this is okay. I enjoyed it so much that I couldn't wait to have one for my talk page. Sorry that I didn't ask you earlier. I was too excited about the page. It will greatly reduce many questions from creators about why I tagged pages for speedy deletion. I'll request for it to be deleted if you don't want me to plagiarize your work, but I would love to have it. Thanks for your wisdom and understanding, Cunard (talk) 05:28, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I'm glad you found it useful! Naturally, plagiarism is of no concern--aside from the fact that it's free under the GFDL, I actively encourage users to take it for their own. Thanks for the compliments, and enjoy! --jonny-mt 05:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I've also just shamelessly stolen it!! Glad I'm not the only only one. ;) But it is extremely useful, thank you for making it! Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 12:30, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Huzzah! CSD explanation pages all around! --jonny-mt 14:43, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Stealing one too..LOL. Damn nice work, jonny! might want to convert it to an essay in the article space? Would help cull the need for repetitive replies.--Hu12 (talk) 23:05, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Haha I'm glad you like it. That's not actually a bad idea--I think this approach tends to be effective because it links with a specific user, but it might not hurt to have a more general page in the WP namespace. I'll put that on the list along with Wikipedia:We need more administrators :) --jonny-mt 12:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Change Username

Dear Jonny-mt,

I recieved a block notification message when I opened my account last May 25, 2008 for a reason that my username does not meet your username policy. I would like ro request you to change my current username which is "Qwertyuiasdfghjzxcvb" into "Cxzbnm".

Thank You very much.

Regards, Qwertyuiasdfghjzxcvb —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.69.62.211 (talk) 05:07, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi there,

Thanks for the message. The reason for the username block was that your username is unnecessarily long and confusing--interaction with other users is a vital part of Wikipedia, and so it's important that they be able to recognize or remember your name at a glance.

While your new username is much shorter, I'm afraid that a name composed of six consonants with no linguistic meaning is still too difficult to remember. From what I can tell, you're using patterns on a Qwerty keyboard to come up with your names--while there's nothing wrong with this per se, these patterns are extremely difficult for English-speakers to remember. If you're intent on using them, I would suggest limiting the pattern to three or four characters. You can run searches at Special:Listusers to figure out what names are and aren't taken.

Finally, if you find a name you like, then you actually don't need to message me (although you should feel free to). Simply put {{unblock-un|Newusername}} on your user talk page and an administrator will be along shortly to review your request.

Please let me know if there's anything else I can help with! --jonny-mt 05:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Speedy delete

Take care of 1 war for me please. Its been up for a while, thanks Roadrunnerz45 ^{(talk 2 me)} 12:19, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Just got deleted. What a coincidence:) Roadrunnerz45 ^{(talk 2 me)} 12:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Gotta love that wikimagic! --jonny-mt 12:21, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Allegations

Thanks. It's clear the accounts in question are disruptive SPAs, but the question of whose socks they are, and meat vs. sock, is being explored in the ArbCom case. I would suggest a topic ban on all the SPAs for the duration of the case, that restricts them to editing only on pages related to the case. That's the only alternative I see to keeping the article full protted until the case ends, which could take another month. - Merzbow (talk) 04:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I was just looking through some of their contribution histories--the fact that Supergreenred (talk · contribs · logs · block log) and DrGabriela (talk · contribs · logs · block log) both started editing the same topics in mid-April is extremely suspect. At any rate, I've put a call out for comments on WP:ANI, so hopefully we can find a way to solve this without locking the article down until doomsday. --jonny-mt 04:37, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

For reference, you can have a look at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Rafaelsfingers. John Smith's (talk) 17:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and Jonny I note that there has been little admin interest in the ANI thread from what I can see - you may just want to take action based on your own conclusions. John Smith's (talk) 23:24, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to the jungle. :/ Jtrainor (talk) 19:43, 26 May 2008 (UTC)