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Bishop Phillpotts

No problem, I just divided Henry Phillpotts into life and legacy sections to help in editing and reading, thanks-- Alf ^melmac 13:32, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Robert Nairac

Do you have a source for the information you just added please? Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 20:36, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I can´t provide more source for the information posted than to say that it came from a conversation in a pub in North London in the mid 1970's during a Guiness-drinking session with strangers who I never saw again..I was moved by the story then and still am, and have now posted it on Wikipedia with the thought that other contributors may be able to substantiate it. I appreciate it is a strong item to have posted and for that reason I emphasised that it was unsubstantiated and unattributable. Kbservices 20:44, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I was wondering about the original source of the information, I thought perhaps it might have been a newspaper or book quoting an unnamed source. Conversations in pubs are sadly classed as original research, as there's no way of verifiyng the conversation ever took place. I think there might be some information about it in Bandit Country by Toby Harnden, but I'll have to remove the information for now. For future reference, the best way to present information that other people might be able to source is to post a message on the article's talk page. Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 20:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

That´s ok. I understand...I have tried to find a confirmed source over the years, and the post was part of that search..I´ll switch it to the Talk page. Thanks Kbservices 21:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Quick clarification as my last message seems slightly excessive. You don't need a cite a source to add information to any article, but if the information is controversial and/or likely to be challenged a source is better. Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 21:01, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for thatKbservices 21:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I've done some research from Harden, and the version of events is rather different from the one you described. It's highly unlikely he was flayed alive on top of the car, as the IRA would have conducted a lengthy interrogation session and it wouldn't have been done in such a public place. In 1983 Eamon Collins was staying in a safe house in Dundalk owned by one of the men said to have disposed of Nairac's body. According to Collins the body was disposed of by putting him through a mincer in a meat factory. I'm slightly confused by the timeline of events though, as Nairac was killed in 1977 so your conversation would have probably have taken place in the late 1970s. That obviously predates Collins finding out what happened, and although I'm not sure if Collins wrote about it in his book, both his book and Harnden's were written in the 90s. The skinning alive seems to be an urban legend that has a passing similarity to what actually happened at best, but I'll add the Collins information to the artice later. Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 21:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks like the article should remain without much further adjustment for lack of definite verified information - sources, such as the Sunday Mirror article (Colin Wills)May 16, 1999,http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_19990516/ai_n14489155/pg_2 recount different versions of events. Although the meat factory mincer is referred to, Wills says:

"The Provos buried his body," surmised one, "because they didn't want people to know about the appalling injuries he had sustained." and then Wills goes on to say: "Later, after four IRA men were found guilty of charges connected with his murder, the story changed. His body was now supposed to be buried in nearby Ravensdale Forest". I don't khow how big Ravensdale Forest is, but until its dug up to find a body, it seems clear that a confirmed source may not be found that will clarify the facts. Thanks. Kbservices 18:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, meant to reply to this sooner but got distracted. I don't think there's any doubt he would have sustained appalling injuries, an interrogation of an SAS member by the IRA wasn't likely to be a quiet chat over tea and biscuits after all. However according to Harnden it's unlikely the majority of the injuries were sustained outside the pub. The book basically gives the same version of events as the Mirror, and to be honest it's more than likely the Mirror used the book as the source but put the quote in a place that suggests a different version of events. The book states:

Even at this stage Nairac has a chance of escaping but chose to take McCormick on. Both McCormick and Maguire laid into him with feet as well as fists and Nairac's Browning pistol flew out of its holster and onto the tarmac. McCormick grabbed it, placed it against Nairac's head and warned: Don't move you fucker or I'll shoot you.' The Guards officer was then pulled by his hair into a bronze Ford Cortina which Crilly had driven into the car park.

They then proceeded to drive away to Dundalk, as the Mirror article says. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 07:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

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Nairac

Please do not make any add any additional material to the paragraphs I have added as these are taken directly from the source material, unless you have access to the book? This is a controvertial topic so we need this to be 100% free from questions of verifiability Kernel Saunters (talk) 14:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Please go to the Discussion page for Nairac to see my answer to your request and for any continuing talk you wish on the subject. Thankyou

Kbservices (talk) 15:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

My editing access has been blocked by Abraham

Any Administrator able to help me find out why I've been blocked for "multiple account abuse"..?? Some type of confusion ?? There's been no abuse by me that I am aware of..Thankyou

Kbservices (talk) 15:04, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Hentai..image unsuitable for family readership

The article on hentai: the image chosen is inappropriate for a family readership site. I propose that the image is removed ? Anyone agree ?

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