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Hello Koenvani and welcome to Wikipedia! We appreciate encyclopedic contributions, but some of your contributions, such as the ones to Gary Wilson (author), do not conform to our policies. For more information on this, see Wikipedia's policies on vandalism and limits on acceptable additions. If you'd like to experiment with the wiki's syntax, please do so in the sandbox (but beware that the contents of the sandbox are deleted frequently) rather than in articles.

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You have shown interest in Complementary and Alternative Medicine. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

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Notice of Fringe Theories Noticeboard discussion

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  There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. tgeorgescu (talk) 19:28, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Yes. We are biased.

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Jimmy Wales, founder of Wikipedia, once wrote:[1][2][3][4]

Wikipedia's policies ... are exactly spot-on and correct. If you can get your work published in respectable scientific journals – that is to say, if you can produce evidence through replicable scientific experiments, then Wikipedia will cover it appropriately.

What we won't do is pretend that the work of lunatic charlatans is the equivalent of "true scientific discourse". It isn't.

So yes, we are biased.

And we are not going to change. tgeorgescu (talk) 19:43, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

I appreciate the time that you took to write this response, but I still respectfully disagree. Saying that wikipedia is biased pretty clearly goes against Wikipedia's 2nd pillar of neutrality WP:5P2, in my view. Especially this part: In some areas there may be just one well-recognized point of view; in others, we describe multiple points of view, presenting each accurately and in context rather than as "the truth" or "the best view". Gary Wilson (author)'s article is far from neutral as of now. Koenvani (talk) 21:32, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
You would be right only if the following were abolished: WP:FRINGE, WP:MEDRS; WP:LUNATICS; WP:CHOPSY; WP:GOODBIAS; WP:DUE, WP:PSCI and WP:FALSEBALANCE; WP:ARBPS and WP:ARBCAM. Since this hasn't happened, you're wrong, completely wrong.
I.e. Wikipedia has a British Constitution model. Citing some of the WP:RULES in order to oppose other WP:RULES is called WP:Wikilawyering. Click upon the above links: if it says "essay", it is not very important, if it says "guideline" it is important, and if it says "website policy", it is very important. Yup, WP:NPOV entails WP:DUE, WP:PSCI and WP:FALSEBALANCE, these are integral part of the NPOV policy.
In scientific matters, Wikipedic neutrality means that we kowtow to mainstream science (PNAS, Nature (journal), The Lancet, DSM-5-TR, etc.) and that we wholeheartedly shun whatever is epistemically irresponsible (like pseudoscience). Shortcut WP:SPOV.
Depicting the American Psychiatric Association and Gary Wilson (author) as having equal claims to truth is prohibited by website policy (see WP:DUE, WP:PSCI and WP:FALSEBALANCE).
You're pushing the Sangerite view that the consensus of mainstream scientists cannot decide which are the scientific facts. That's not the real NPOV. The real NPOV is explained at WP:NOTNEUTRAL. tgeorgescu (talk) 21:24, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ Farley, Tim (25 March 2014). "Wikipedia founder responds to pro-alt-med petition; skeptics cheer". Skeptical Software Tools. Archived from the original on 19 October 2021. Retrieved 4 November 2021.
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  3. ^ Gorski, David (24 March 2014). "An excellent response to complaints about medical topics on Wikipedia". ScienceBlogs. Archived from the original on 19 October 2021. Retrieved 4 November 2021.
  4. ^ Novella, Steven (25 March 2014). "Standards of Evidence – Wikipedia Edition". NeuroLogica Blog. Archived from the original on 20 October 2021. Retrieved 4 November 2021.
  5. ^ Talk:Astrology/Archive 13#Bias against astrology
  6. ^ Talk:Alchemy/Archive 2#naturalistic bias in article
  7. ^ Talk:Numerology/Archive 1#There's more work to be done
  8. ^ Talk:Homeopathy/Archive 60#Wikipedia Bias
  9. ^ Talk:Acupuncture/Archive 13#Strong Bias towards Skeptic Researchers
  10. ^ Talk:Energy (esotericism)/Archive 1#Bias
  11. ^ Talk:Conspiracy theory/Archive 12#Sequence of sections and bias
  12. ^ Talk:Vaccine hesitancy/Archive 5#Clearly a bias attack article
  13. ^ Talk:Magnet therapy/Archive 1#Contradiction and bias
  14. ^ Talk:Crop circle/Archive 9#Bower and Chorley Bias Destroyed by Mathematician
  15. ^ Talk:Laundry ball/Archives/2017
  16. ^ Talk:Facilitated communication/Archive 1#Comments to the version by DavidWBrooks
  17. ^ Talk:Ayurveda/Archive 15#Suggestion to Shed Biases
  18. ^ Talk:Torsion field (pseudoscience)/Archive 1#stop f**** supressing science with your bias bull****
  19. ^ Talk:Young Earth creationism/Archive 3#Biased Article (part 2)
  20. ^ Talk:Holocaust denial/Archive 12#Blatant bias on this page
  21. ^ Talk:Flat Earth/Archive 7#Disinformation, the EARTH IS FLAT and this can be SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN. This article is not about Flat Earth, it promotes a round earth.
  22. ^ Talk:Scientific racism/Archive 1#THIS is propaganda
  23. ^ Talk:Climate change conspiracy theory/Archive 3#Problems with the article
  24. ^ Talk:Santa Claus/Archive 11#About Santa Claus
  25. ^ Talk:Flood geology/Archive 4#Obvious bias
  26. ^ Talk:Quackery/Archive 1#POV #2
  27. ^ Talk:Ancient astronauts/Archive 4#Pseudoscience