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The Bugle: Issue CXXX, February 2017
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March Madness 2017
G'day all, please be advised that throughout March 2017 the Military history Wikiproject is running its March Madness drive. This is a backlog drive that is focused on several key areas:
- tagging and assessing articles that fall within the project's scope
- updating the project's currently listed A-class articles to ensure their ongoing compliance with the listed criteria
- creating articles that are listed as "requested" on the project's various task force pages or other lists of missing articles.
As with past Milhist drives, there are points awarded for working on articles in the targeted areas, with barnstars being awarded at the end for different levels of achievement.
The drive is open to all Wikipedians, not just members of the Military history project, although only work on articles that fall (broadly) within the military history scope will be considered eligible. More information can be found here for those that are interested, and members can sign up as participants at that page also.
The drive starts at 00:01 UTC on 1 March and runs until 23:59 UTC on 31 March 2017, so please sign up now.
For the Milhist co-ordinators. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) & MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:24, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CXXXI, March 2017
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Vimy Ridge Memorial on the main page?
Just wondering if you were planning to make a request at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests for Canadian National Vimy Memorial to be featured on the main page on April 9th for the centenary? ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:05, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Patar knight: I hadn't given it an immediate though but seems like a good idea. Appreciate the heads up.--Labattblueboy (talk) 08:17, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
- Great, I've supported the nomination. Hopefully it gets through. Thanks for your great work on the two Vimy FAs! ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:28, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CXXXII, April 2017
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Canadian National Vimy Memorial scheduled for TFA
This is to let you know that the Canadian National Vimy Memorial article has been scheduled as today's featured article for 9 April 2017. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/April 9, 2017. Thanks! Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:21, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
Precious
Vimy Ridge
Thank you for quality articles such as Canadian National Vimy Memorial, Battle of Vimy Ridge and other battles of the First World War, for trying to prevent contentious page moves, for a clear user page, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:27, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for all the work you put into this article! Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 23:49, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXIII, May 2017
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A page you started (Minister of Overseas Military Forces) has been reviewed!
Thanks for creating Minister of Overseas Military Forces, Labattblueboy!
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXIV, June 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXV, July 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXVI, August 2017
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Vimy Ridge photo
Dear Labattblueboy,
I only added that image of Canadian soldiers because I noticed 1. that no one had ever uploaded it to WikiCommons in the first place and 2. that image was used by many Canadian news sites showing Victorious Canadian soldiers at Vimy. Its almost a famous symbolic picture. So I didn't understand why no one ever uploaded that image to Commons. But you can remove it from the Battle of Vimy Ridge article...if you feel it is appropriate.
Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 01:17, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CXXXVII, September 2017
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2017 Military history WikiProject Coordinator election
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Where URAA does not apply
For your info, I confirmed with a WikiCommons Administrator that URAA does Not impact the release of post 1945 images where the actual copyright owner (the Government of Canada here through Library Archives Canada/National Film Board/Department of Defense, etc) releases an image on a free license such as CC BY--such as this image of Barbara Scott taken in 1946. See his comments. When people have a copyright question, they almost always contact Admin/Bureaucrat/Checkuser Jameslwoodward on WikiCommons. Personally, I would always keep the link to the LAC official flickr account if I uploaded a post 1945 Canadian image by the LAC because the LAC Do license their free images as CC BY and no one can dispute it....and there is no URAA problems. Since one is not using an old Pd-Canada tag.
That means that the few 1950's images of Canadian soldiers from Korea can be uploaded from flickr too. There are very few Korea images but its better than nothing Some could be uploaded by you if you wish since there is not a single image of a Canadian soldier at Korea...if you wish. The license is CC BY and the copyright owner is the Government of Canada. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 08:37, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CXXXVIII, October 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXIX, November 2017
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New online CWGC archive
Dropping a note here to point out this edit I made regarding the new online CWGC archive, as I thought it might be of interest, particularly the digitised minutes and older annual reports. Carcharoth (talk) 11:30, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
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The Bugle: Issue CXL, December 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXLI, January 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLII, February 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLIII, March 2018
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April 2018 Milhist Backlog Drive
G'day all, please be advised that throughout April 2018 the Military history Wikiproject is running its annual backlog elimination drive. This will focus on several key areas:
- tagging and assessing articles that fall within the project's scope
- adding or improving listed resources on Milhist's task force pages
- updating the open tasks template on Milhist's task force pages
- creating articles that are listed as "requested" on the project's various lists of missing articles.
As with past Milhist drives, there are points awarded for working on articles in the targeted areas, with barnstars being awarded at the end for different levels of achievement.
The drive is open to all Wikipedians, not just members of the Military history project, although only work on articles that fall (broadly) within the scope of military history will be considered eligible. This year, the Military history project would like to extend a specific welcome to members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red, and we would like to encourage all participants to consider working on helping to improve our coverage of women in the military. This is not the sole focus of the edit-a-thon, though, and there are aspects that hopefully will appeal to pretty much everyone.
The drive starts at 00:01 UTC on 1 April and runs until 23:59 UTC on 30 April 2018. Those interested in participating can sign up here.
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Thanks...
For creating this, when you could have simply redone the rationale here, since there was no improvement on quality. — Wyliepedia @ 17:26, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
.jpeg){kind=link}
- @CAWylie: Don't be a curmudgeon. 1.86MB at 2,440×2,032 and a 25KB at 348 × 287 are far from equal quality. Besides, now the file is accessible beyond simply English Wikipedia.--Labattblueboy (talk) 19:28, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
- It will be reduced, once it makes its "recently uploaded" rounds. — Wyliepedia @ 19:35, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
- Will still be higher resolution and accessible to everyone.--Labattblueboy (talk) 19:37, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
- It will be reduced, once it makes its "recently uploaded" rounds. — Wyliepedia @ 19:35, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CXLIIV, April 2018
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Precious anniversary
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The Bugle: Issue CXLIV, May 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLVI, June 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLVII, July 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLVIII, August 2018
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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open
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The Bugle: Issue CXLIX, September 2018
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Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced
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The Bugle: Issue CL, October 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CLI, November 2018
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Nominations now open for "Military historian of the year" and "Military history newcomer of the year" awards
Nominations for our annual Military historian of the year and Military history newcomer of the year awards are open until 23:59 (GMT) on 15 December 2018. Why don't you nominate the editors who you believe have made a real difference to the project in 2018? MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:26, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CLII, December 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CLIII, January 2019
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Copied text needs attribution or at least quotation marks
Hi. I was reading up on War bonds and followed one of the citations. As I was reading it I noticed that the author quotes another source. You copied that exact text into the article without changing it or putting it between quotation marks.[1] The expectation is that you will contribute your own words, not simply copy text from other sources. Please review Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing, Wikipedia:Plagiarism, and Wikipedia:Copyright violations. That said, you did find interesting material which improved the article. If you have the time, could you revisit the War bond article, and any others with similar copying, to put the text into your own words? Thanks. Mobi Ditch (talk) 23:35, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CLIV, February 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLV, March 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLVI, April 2019
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Precious anniversary
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The Bugle: Issue CLVII, May 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLVIII, June 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLIX, July 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLX, August 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLX, August 2019
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Backlog Banzai
In the month of September, Wikiproject Military history is running a project-wide edit-a-thon, Backlog Banzai. There are heaps of different areas you can work on, for which you claim points, and at the end of the month all sorts of whiz-bang awards will be handed out. Every player wins a prize! There is even a bit of friendly competition built in for those that like that sort of thing. Sign up now at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/September 2019 Backlog Banzai to take part. For the coordinators, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:18, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open
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Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced
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The Bugle: Issue CLXI, September 2019
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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election half-way mark
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The Bugle: Issue CLXII, October 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLXIII, November 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLXIV, December 2019
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The Bugle: IssueICLXVI, February 2020
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Vimy & Hill 70
I see you have done a lot of work on both Vimy & Hill 70. Not my area of expertise but I have a very good photo I took of one section of the Vimy Memorial. Because the images on the page are all "old" I wasn't sure if something recent was appropriate?
Also, should there be a separate article for the new (2017) Hill 70 memorial or just an info section on the "Battle" page?
Thanks. Stretchrunner (talk) 20:24, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Stretchrunner: there are actually lots of images of the memorial in the wikipedia commons however the issue in publishing images of the memorial relates to copyright. In short, it's unclear whether Alward (or shall we say his estate) still holds the copyright of images of the memorial in France. Thus the variety of images in the memorial are limited to those that don't violate this copyright.
- A mention of the Hill 70 memorial seems entirely warranted on the Battle page; I'm surprised one of us hadn't already included it. I'm not sure there is enough information out there for it merit its own article.--Labattblueboy (talk) 07:35, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
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CWGC Edits
Hello Labattblueboy,
In re. your edits to my work on the CWGC article:
We are in territory that is not well known in the history of the American relationship with Commonwealth Forces, though I don't mean to presume that it's unknown to you.
As background. officially, 35,000 American citizens served with Commonwealth Forces in WWI. H.C. Osborne, Report for the Minister (Americans in Canadian Forces), International War Graves Commission, October 14,1927, Library and Archives Canada - I don't believe it's available online. That number is probably higher than actual in re. "citizens", but the estimated number of American citizens and members of American immigrant families in CW forces WWI is 50,000, and 25,000 in WWII. Unofficial research in which I and others have been involved in Belgium, as an example, shows approx 500 American related burials and memorial names, +- 45% of those American born or naturalized and the rest roughly split between members of pre and post war immigrant families.
Americans in CW forces were mostly recruited by stealth 1914-16, evolving into a mutually beneficial agreement about them between US/UK when the US entered the war, and eventual American law granting them equivalence to Americans in American forces, including eligibility for burial in American war cemeteries. WW II early enlistment in CW was more open and mostly involving air forces.
There are approx. 2700 such WWI dead/memorialized in CWGC cemeteries on five continents, and 700 WW II. To your edits:
As you know, CWGC policy was buried where they fell with their fellows; US policy was choice of remain or return by families. CWGC held to that policy in WW I, but came under increasing pressure in WW II, which some in England believed was driven by the funeral industry in US. In 1947, CWGC began to recognize the requests for return as legitimate, driven by US law on the burial of war dead and the fulfillment of request for repatriation was begun. "The present request is backed by a Public Law of a mandatory nature and by what appears to be a much stronger desire on the part of the United States Government to force the matter through." - Untitled memo, 4/18/1947, Commonwealth War Graves Commission Archive (found by me in an undisciplined archive at CWGC HQ in Maidenhead).
On 12/1/1949, Geo. Springer of American Graves Reg. wrote to Oliver Holt of Imperial War Graves. "After many months of planning we have successfully completed our mission as it pertains to the removal from your cemeteries of certain American deceased killed while serving with the British Armed Forces." - CWGC Archives.
The topic and the evolution of US/UK policies in relation to each other is very relevant, esp. in the larger and largely unknown history of the mix of US and UK forces in the two wars and remains so today as American interest organizations in Europe expand their understanding and memorial practice in re. Americans buried in those nations (next frontier of this research is non-citizen aliens buried in American war cemeteries, perhaps 20%-25% of those in Flanders Field).
In the matter of headstones and nationality. An understanding of the problem as it is perceived by CWGC is demonstrated, I believe, in the WW II headstones I have seen in UK, BE, NL. There are five American flyers buried in Amsterdam New East CWGC; 3 are identified as Of USA or similar language and two are not. The Brookwood cemetery outside of London has a similar mix of US identified and unidentified Americans, ditto the Heverlee cemetery outside of Brussels. It's an indication to me of a policy in transition at CWGC from the absolute lack of that information on all WW I headstones. The Lijssenthoek cemetery Belgium, for example, contains at least 20 American citizens (and 25 members of US immigrant families), but seen en masse the impression is that they are Canadian citizens. And that was the belief until research began to show the differences, leading to the increasing Memorial Day attention to these Americans by those who previously focused solely on the three ABMC cemeteries in BE. See http://aomda.org/en/content/americans-buried-commonwealth-cemeteries
BTW, there is not - or I have never seen - a CWGC national emblem for US personnel. Some in WW II, as above, are denoted as such in words, others not. There is currently underway in Belgium an effort (of which I am a part) to firmly document CWGC Americans as part of the process related to this https://www.va.gov/vaforms/va/pdf/va40-1330m.pdf. We have documented approx 150 American citizens in BE CWGC so far,
As for the Falklands, unless I'm missing or misunderstanding something, CWGC change or evolution on policy is common knowledge in the lore of that episode. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Beach_Military_Cemetery_at_San_Carlos https://www.britishempire.co.uk/forces/wargraves.htm
I hope to hear back from you on this. Important to get these things right, of course. Failing that I will start to recover the content on Friday. And to figure out what happened to the endnotes which are out of sync with the actual content at places that you've edited.
Regards
Happy to send documentation if you give me an email address. Vabookwriter (talk) 21:07, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
@Vabookwriter:, I'll try and address these points as best I can.
- Citation in the edit was a problem. My initial concern was the level of citation was limited and some content appears to be primary research. Upon further examination, it would appear some of the text very closely resembles the Dickon source.
- I have no issue with us mentioning that the CWGC did not oppose the requests for repatriation of US citizens serving in Commonwealth Forces during WWII. But to say US law "trumped" CWGC policy is a bit brutish and simply not true. There are also no shortage of cases where US repatriation requests were refused (ex: intermingled remains). As you've written above, I have no issue with something along the lines of "In 1947, CWGC began to recognize the requests for return as legitimate, driven by US law on the burial of war dead, and the fulfillment of request for repatriation was begun.", and citing Dickon.
- The mention about citizenship is a bit of a red herring. The headstone denotes the forces/units with whom the individual served, not citizenship. Your mention of Canada is interesting as a sizable portion of its WWI forces was foreign-born. That said if there is sourcing regarding the "of USA" labelling I'm not necessarily opposed. A one-liner after the "served as" mention seems suitable. Something like "Some American citizens who served with Commonwealth forces have the notation "Of U.S.A""?
- In fact, there is a CWGC national emblem for US personnel; it's a version of the Great Seal. It's only on headstones of those who were serving for US military.
- All the best, and best of luck on your documenting project.--Labattblueboy (talk) 01:34, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- Hello Labattblueboy
- I am the referenced Dickon, contributing to Wikipedia according to its (purposefully vague and in need of some better structure) rules or mores about self-citation and adding new or generally unknown and documented information that derives from my research for the books that I write, the last 5 of which have been related mostly to W1812 and the two WWs. Our discussion has caused me to dig out the results of my full day in the archives of CWGC in 2014, and it is reminding me that the subject we're talking about is more textured and evolutionary from post WWI through 1949 than I had remembered and did not fully cover in my book. It may even be provocative in that, subject to another review, it appears that if an American family in the present day demanded repatriation of remains from a CWGC WWI cemetery they would have contemporary standing for removal and guaranteed interment in a US national cemetery.
- In any case I'm going to head back into this and bring it back to the article hopefully within a week or two. It will be fully documented, based on material that can only be found on the archive shelves at Maidenhead or on one of my old computers. I'll let you know when I post it.
- Our discussion about American labeling on headstones has been related to CW forces headstones, not to American forces headstones in CW cemeteries. There is a movement among Americans I'm in touch with in Europe to get those CW headstones or grave settings denoted as American (and there is some 1920s discussion about that in my CW archival material). In Belgium and part of NL right now that happens with the placement of American flags at known American occupant headstones, and an effort to make the notation more formal. And one of my readers rides his bike around Germany doing the same for the known Americans in CW cemeteries there. It's very much a part of the story, and if those efforts are to happen accurately it needs to be fully told.
- Genuine best to you, too.
- Vabookwriter (talk) 23:02, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- I have rewritten and replaced. Our exchange is provocative of a question that needs to be better dealt with in the free floating rules, regs, mores, whatever, of W participation by established authors, academics, etc. who may appear to be promoting their own work and are advised to use their best judgment about that (as I have been in a couple of different forums), and best judgment about using original research which is generally discouraged. Some of the new references are to flimsy pieces of badly maintained 100 year old pieces of paper in broken down looseleafs on a musty shelf somewhere at the end of an hour's ride outside of London on the Great Western Line. They will never be accessible to others without extraordinary effort and a good deal of luck in actually finding them, but the vague rules about self-citation inhibit the use of my own book which places them in an academically rigorous narrative and context. Interesting problem, and I plan to find the proper forum in the W universe to present the problem with suggestions for its solution. Regards.
- Vabookwriter (talk) 20:17, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Vabookwriter: I'm not opposed to the self citation of Americans at War in Foreign Forces: A History, 1914-1945 within this context. It's an appropriate source when we are speaking about American citizens who were in service of British/commonwealth forces. The work is academically reviewed and periodically cited by others. You've also met the general intent of WP:COIEDIT by disclosing the conflict of interest. Likewise, self-citation is not in itself forbidden (see WP:SELFCITE) so long as it's done in a reasonable amount and doesn't result in undue emphasis.
- I've completed some copy edits to you edit, moved the WWII content to that section, and made the content generally more concise. Some content I removed because of it being a clear case of primary research (that related to the "of USA" head stones). I've have inserted a passage concerning the "of USA" headstone notation with a citation needed tag as its clearly applicable but needs a reliable source.--Labattblueboy (talk) 00:40, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
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Correction to previous election announcement
Just a quick correction to the prior message about the 2022 MILHIST coordinator election! I (Hog Farm) didn't proofread the message well enough and left out a link to the election page itself in this message. The voting will occur here; sorry about the need for a second message and the inadvertent omission from the prior one. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:41, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Wikiproject Military history coordinator election voting closing soon
Voting for the upcoming project coordinator election closes soon, at 23:59 on 28 September. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next coordination year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. Voting is conducted using simple approval voting and questions for the candidates are welcome. The voting itself is occurring here If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the current coord team. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:13, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CXCVIII, September 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCVIII, October 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCIX, November 2022
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Please do not use Wikipedia for promotion
Hello, I'm Adoring nanny. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to MacKeeper have been undone because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. Adoring nanny (talk) 04:04, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Adoring nanny: Is this a accusation? Please don't conflate a difference in views with issues in NPOV.--Labattblueboy (talk) 08:03, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- You have repeatedly mischaracterized this source[2] as a "positive review", even after being reverted with a revert message that pointed out the error. Adoring nanny (talk) 12:04, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Adoring nanny: Is this a accusation? Please don't conflate a difference in views with issues in NPOV.--Labattblueboy (talk) 08:03, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- Version 5.0 has a 4-star rating and finishes with the statement "But if you can get past all that, the latest version could be worth trying." that seems quite positive to me. Either way, it's not a matter that constitutes advertising or NPOV and you are wrong to have posted this type of warning.--Labattblueboy (talk) 13:36, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- Well, your history at the article is concerning. I notice that per the statistics page, you have 385 edits there, and I am second with 41. This history, together with the false statements about "positive reviews" of software that is despised by so many users, is suspicious. Adoring nanny (talk) 02:01, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- The number of edits on a subject has no relation to NPOV issues. Your accusation of my editing being suspicious is an ill-considered accusation of impropriety and fails to assume good faith. A difference of view does not conflate with using Wikipedia for advertising or promotion.--Labattblueboy (talk) 00:55, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
- Well, your history at the article is concerning. I notice that per the statistics page, you have 385 edits there, and I am second with 41. This history, together with the false statements about "positive reviews" of software that is despised by so many users, is suspicious. Adoring nanny (talk) 02:01, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
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Please do not remove all of the contents of a category so that it is tagged for deletion. This act is considered "emptying categories out of process", is seen as disruptive and your edits can be reverted. If you wish a category to be deleted, renamed or merged, please nominate it at Categories for Discussion so that other editors can consider your proposal as it could impact other categories. Thank you, in advance, for doing this in the future. Liz Read! Talk! 18:59, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
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The Bugle: Issue CC, December 2022
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