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Image:ArmyCommand.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:ArmyCommand.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. OsamaK 19:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

WP:PUI

Hi, please be careful when you are commenting, like at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images/2008 February 16. You accidentally removed the comments of other people. Also, as it clearly says on the template, "Please do not remove this notice while the question is being considered" so I am putting them back on the images. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I actually need your help for those Cemal Gursel related images' clarifications at the discussion board (/* WP:PUI */ )because I frankly did not see the problem. Because I am not well versed with Wikipedia and your concerns I am sure are very to the point, I just need your pointing out what exactly is the concern for those 3 images that appears to be in public domain freely. Thanks fo ryour consideration and guiding on this which I believe has been very useful to the article's quality as well. Could you let me know here or your talk page or the article discussion page? Leblebi (talk) 13:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Again, I must reiterate Ricky's comment. Please do NOT remove the PUI tag on these images while the discussion in ongoing. After the discussion is over, and admin will close the discussion and then either remove the tag or delete the images (depending the outcome of the discussion and the interpretation of policy). I'll investigate further into this matter to see if and how these images may be problematic. But even before knowing the circumstances of the case, I know that the discussion tags should not be removed from the image pages (as the templates themselves state). Hope this helps.-Andrew c ^[talk] 14:26, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Should not there be an explanation as to what the concern was in a valid way before putting a PUI (whatever that stands for)and reassuring that this was not used as an excuse to abuse the article and its contributors by misusing administrator privileges? I much appreciate your statement "I'll investigate further into this matter to see if and how these images may be problematic. " and will look forward to your further guidance but I am sure you have noticed that not only the discussion tag but whole discussion board with legitimate concerns expressed therein was erased by that administrator before. As far as I see it is immediately obvious that there has never been any problem with these images and copyright clarifications until deliberate oppositional defiant targeting by certain parties who even erased a legitimate sound file from this article. Where would be an appropirate forum to notify and complain about administrator abuse in Wiki? 68.236.122.52 (talk) 18:06, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry I haven't had more time to personally investigate this situation. But again, I must stress, seriously this time, to NOT REMOVE that PUI tag while the discussion is still active. If you have any complaints about admin action, please take those to WP:ANI. Here is my brief opinion: Image:ArmyGames.jpg is problematic because it makes a "fair use" claim, but then claims it is in the public domain because of Turkish law. Which one is it? Is it copyrighted but fairly used, or is it in the public domain? Image:WithACadet.jpg seems dubious because it is tagged as PD-self. Did the uploader take the image? How did the uploader own the copyright in the first place, etc. I honestly do not know enough about copyright when it comes to medals to comment on Image:Harb&istiklalmedal.JPG. All in all, these images still have issues, but that does not necessarily mean that they have to be deleted. I would say that if an admin tagged these as possibly unfair, that there is reasonable suspicion about the images that most likely that admin was acting in good faith. Please, wait for the PUI discussion, which has already been started, to come to an end, and let the closing admin take care of removing the PUI notice tags from the images. I apologize that I did not understand all of your message to me. Can you be specific about what discussion board an administer erased? From what other images did the admin removed tags?_Andrew c ^[talk] 19:41, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

It appears that no one other than Ricky81682 is interested in that ‘discussion’ initiated by him at that page you are referring to (/* WP:PUI */ ). In terms of specific questions you ask:

Image:ArmyGames.jpg clearly indicated “From his family album and personal collection” and it is also a government photo declared heritage. There should be no problem there. Making fair use claims does not negate against public domain. It seems extra but does not make abuse by an administrator OK.

Image:WithACadet.jpg indicates the same “From his family album and personal collection” as to the ownership of the copyright and further fair use statements are provided, which do not again negate against the image legitimacy.

Perhaps the absurdity of the abusive admin interaction becomes most obvious at the Image:Harb&istiklalmedal.JPG and all of its history with appropriate tags.

Please remove the tags that you protect or have an administrator remove it as Ricky81682 appears to be hiding in silence.

The following two images were processed by that administrator Ricky81682 with no appropriate license assurances and the questioning tags were vandalized by him while he abuses other article images with fictitious concerns and failing to rectify his mistakes despite good faith discussion attempts. More interestingly, he adds fictitous licenses at images put in wiki by other users in those specific images. Than he goes and removes PUI tags while he puts same tags in other’s work to damage. See below:

Image:Image-TJC Logo.jpg • (cur) (last) 01:43, 19 February 2008 Ricky81682 (Talk | contribs) m (757 bytes) (Reverted edits by 71.184.9.231 (talk) to last version by Ricky81682) (undo) • (cur) (last) 01:32, 19 February 2008 71.184.9.231 (Talk) (1,134 bytes) (undo) • (cur) (last) 01:31, 19 February 2008 Ricky81682 (Talk | contribs) (757 bytes) (license) (undo)

India Sex.jpg 01:30, 19 February 2008 (hist) (diff) Image:India Sex.jpg • (cur) (last) 01:40, 19 February 2008 Ricky81682 (Talk | contribs) m (390 bytes) (Reverted edits by 71.184.9.231 (talk) to last version by Ricky81682) (undo) • (cur) (last) 01:30, 19 February 2008 71.184.9.231 (Talk) (768 bytes) (undo) • (cur) (last) 01:22, 19 February 2008 Ricky81682 (Talk | contribs) (390 bytes) (added license) (undo)

The same administrator Ricky81682 covered up the following vandalized sound file despite appropriate copyright tags at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CemalGursel1963.ogg. 14:15, 16 February 2008 Rettetast (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:CemalGursel1963.ogg" ‎ (Speedy deleted per (CSD G12), was a blatant copyright infringement. using TW) 14:15, 16 February 2008 (hist) (diff) Cemal Gürsel‎ (Removing instance of image CemalGursel1963.ogg that has been speedily deleted per (CSD G12); using TW) He erased all goodfaith discussion attempts at the above sound page including all of its log files to prevent traceability and responsibility. Leblebi (talk) 22:23, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

WP:ANI

As I said at WP:ANI, it was User:Rettetast who added the PUI notices at Image:ArmyGames.jpg, Image:WithACadet.jpg, and Image:Harb&istiklalmedal.JPG, not me. I've just been trying to keep the notices on the pages. Again, the best way to help is to talk at WP:PUI, not to continue your current conduct. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 01:29, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use

Why did you add fair-use rationales and such on images that are in the public domain? You don't need to do that. ViperSnake151 14:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)