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Hi there, I was wondering what was your reasoning for this edit? The event took place in 1955 so using the 1922-52 flag to represent Egypt would be anachronistic, unless there's something I'm not aware of. Cheers! Timbouctou (talk) 18:40, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

The 1922 flag remained the official flag of Egypt until 1958. The 1952 flag was an unofficial flag used by the revolutionary government and was never intended to be used as the official flag of Egypt, especially at civilian events such as the page you linked to. So just because that flag was introduced in 1952 doesn't mean the 1922 flag ceased to be used. I don't know why the Egypt flag icon template doesn't make this clearer. Legion566 (talk) 18:54, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Ah ok thanks! Timbouctou (talk) 20:40, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

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Constitutional carry article

Hello. I've reverted your edits twice now at [[1]] because there seems to be a misunderstanding of how O.R.C. Section 2923.111 applies to nonresidents. I'd like to give you a simple explanation of why the information that was added, which purports that nonresidents must have a concealed carry license to carry a concealed handgun in Ohio under the new constitutional carry law, is incorrect.

O.R.C. Section 2923.111, Division (2), states that: "(2) "Qualifying adult" means a person who is all of the following:

(a) Twenty-one years of age or older;

(b) Not legally prohibited from possessing or receiving a firearm under 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(1) to (9) or under section 2923.13 of the Revised Code or any other Revised Code provision;

(c) Satisfies all of the criteria listed in divisions (D)(1)(a) to (j), (m), (p), (q), and (s) of section 2923.125 of the Revised Code."

I'd like to point out that Division (2)(c) does not include Division (D)(1)(n) of O.R.C. Section 2923.125. This is the division in the statute that addresses the issuance of permits to nonresidents of Ohio.

O.R.C. Section 2923.125, Division (D)(1) states that: "(D)(1) Except as provided in division (D)(3) of this section, within forty-five days after a sheriff's receipt of an applicant's completed application form for a concealed handgun license under this section, the supporting documentation, and, if not waived, the license fee, the sheriff shall make available through the law enforcement automated data system in accordance with division (H) of this section the information described in that division and, upon making the information available through the system, shall issue to the applicant a concealed handgun license that shall expire as described in division (D)(2)(a) of this section if all of the following apply: … (n) If the applicant resides in another state, the applicant is employed in this state."

Based on a reading of O.R.C Section 2923.111, Division (2)(c), a nonresident will be eligible to carry a concealed handgun without a concealed handgun permit in the same manner as if the person was a concealed handgun licensee. This is because O.R.C. Section 2923.111 does not require a person to fit the exact same standards as are required to receive an Ohio Concealed Handgun License.

Please understand that this is not an attack upon you. I've taken the time to explain this portion of the new constitutional carry law, as it may be considered vague or be a misconception. I only want to improve the article and make sure the information displayed is correct. If you feel that there's still an issue with the article, please start a new subject at the talkpage for the aforementioned article so a discussion on community consensus can begin. Thank you, and have a good one. MrThunderbolt1000T (talk) 01:14, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

I never edited the Constitutional carry article to say nonresidents couldn't carry according the the permitless carry bill and you seem to be misinterpreting my edit. I reformatted the sentence to make it clearer after the first revert but you still seem to be having trouble understanding it for some reason. All I was referring to was how those under 21 must carry with no bearing towards nonresidents in general. I have no disagreement on your above claims about nonresidents carrying in general. Therefore, I will add it back since I have no intention to editing the article in the way you claim I have. Since your only concerns are about edits I have never made nor plan on making I believe the issue between us is resolved. Legion566 (talk) 03:03, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Fair enough, I apologize for the misinterpretation. However, there's still one small issue: in the last sentence, you said that residents and nonresidents can openly carry under 21, which is true, but you then added information about a requirement to have a concealed carry license under that same sentence. The problem I see there is that it may be misleading, as it appears that Ohio law prohibits nonresidents under 21 from carrying a concealed handgun, even with a valid and recognized concealed carry license. Ergo, the sentence appears to say that nonresidents under 21 can carry a concealed handgun with a recognized concealed carry license, which doesn't appear to be true. I'd like to reach some sort of consensus with you on the subject.

The language you've added about resident and nonresident concealed carry 21+ is satisfactory however. Thank you, and have a good one. MrThunderbolt1000T (talk) 05:21, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

I understand what you're saying and agree that the law is not clear cut on this matter, however, just because it isn't clear cut doesn't mean its automatically illegal. Since you seem to be good at quoting Ohio state law from your original reply I would ask you to also quote the state law that you claim prohibits the concealed carrying of those under 21 for residents and/or nonresidents even if they hold an out of state carry permit. I will not accept general assumptions on what Ohio law probably means yet cannot provide by any actual quoted text. Since I believe what you claim is not included anywhere in Ohio state law there is nothing for me to provide to prove my claim and you have the burden of proof to prove your claim on this matter in case you don't believe this is your responsibility. If you are able to provide the proper statute that creates the prohibition that you claim it does anywhere in state law then I will remove the part I added that you are concerned about myself. Legion566 (talk) 21:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

The lww is pretty clear cut, the point I'm trying to make is that it's difficult to understand. The entire point of concealed carry reciprocity in Ohio is that Ohio will recognize out-of-state concealed carry licenses and apply the exact same rules for residents to nonresidents. Ergo, a nonresident has to obey all conceaked handgun laws as if they were a resident. Therefore, it's perfectly reasonable that a nonresident under 21 years of age wouldn't be legally allowed to carry a concealed handgun in Ohio, even with a valid out-of-state concealed carry license. Ohio's standard for honoring concealed carry licenses from other states has historically been on a basis of substantial similarity for issuance. I can do more research on this subject, but you keep claiming that the burden of proof is on me to disprove your claim, yet the burden of proof is on you to prove that nonresidents under 21 can carry a concealed handgun in Ohio with an out-of-state concealed carry license. It's not on me to disprove something you haven't provided any proof of. MrThunderbolt1000T (talk) 21:57, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

This is why I put in the part about not accepting a general assumption of the law since I knew that's all you had to go on and it looks like I was correct about that. Like I said before I have given my proof in the form that there is no such law "ergo" its legal. You on the other hand claim there is some law which prohibits this and I wanted that evidence. Your evidence seems to be the "substantially similar" clause. To rebut that claim the substantially similar part of the law was for the AG when deciding when to enter into reciprocity agreements and it would've been up to him to state that in reciprocity agreements if there was an age requirement but never did. For example a reciprocity agreement was signed with New Hampshire which does not require a course or training whatsoever. Ohio law on the other hand does require a training course as an important part of the course requirement. So by your own reasoning would you say that NH carry permits are not valid in Ohio even with the reciprocity agreement since they are are not substantially similar by not requiring the fundamental class that is one of the most important parts of getting the permit? Legion566 (talk) 22:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Licensed Open Carry in California

Hey there, just wanted to drop this map of where licensed open carry nominally exists under California Penal Code Section 26150(b)(2), that said despite the law authorizing open carry licenses being in effect for 10 years now, not a single one is known to have been issued. --Thegunkid (talk) 08:02, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Looks good. Thanks for adding it to the map. Much more detailed than just having it be one shade. Legion566 (talk) 02:14, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

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