User talk:Legoktm/September 2020
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Administrators' newsletter – September 2020
News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2020).
Administrator changes
CheckUser changes
Guideline and policy news
- Following a request for comment, the minimum length for site ban discussions was increased to 72 hours, up from 24.
- A request for comment is ongoing to determine whether paid editors
must
orshould
use the articles for creation process. - A request for comment is open to resolve inconsistencies between the draftification and alternative to deletion processes.
Arbitration
- A request for comment is open to provide an opportunity to amend the structure, rules, and procedures of the 2020 English Wikipedia Arbitration Committee election and to resolve any issues not covered by existing rules.
- An open request for comment asks whether active Arbitrators may serve on the Trust and Safety Case Review Committee or Ombudsman commission.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
- Normally pages can be moved to a title that has no existing page yet or to a page that has only one revision, which is a redirect to the page to be moved. A new user right allows editors to move pages over one-revision pages that redirect to anywhere. [1]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 September. It will be on all wikis from 10 September (calendar).
All MediaWiki API modules will now use watchlistinstead ofwatch. This was inconsistent before. [2]
Future changes
- The Wikipedia Android app team might work on patrolling tools in the future. You can let them know what tools would be useful for you or for less experienced patrollers. See the page on mediawiki.org.
- OTRS will be updated to a new version. This will probably take around two days. OTRS agents will not have access to the system during these days. Emails that come in during the update will be delivered when the update is done. The plan is to start around 08:00 UTC on 14 September. This could change. [3]
- The Wikipedia Android app will send push notifications if users want them. This could help you see for example when someone wrote on your talk page or your edit was reverted. This will need Google Play Services to work. It will also be possible to get the app without Google Play Services but push notifications will not work. Google Play Services is also used to make the app work for Android 4.4 users. [4][5]
- Wikimedia code review could move to GitLab. It would be hosted on Wikimedia servers. You can take part in the consultation.
- Dropdown menus in the Vector skin use a
.menuclass. This will not work in the future. Scripts can usenav ulinstead..vectorTabsand.vectorMenuwill also not work. Some scripts need to be updated. You can read more in Phabricator.
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15:59, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- The Wikipedia apps briefly showed pages without CSS last week. This meant they looked wrong. It was quickly fixed but cached pages without CSS were shown for a few hours. [6][7]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 September. It will be on all wikis from 17 September (calendar).
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16:18, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Legobot is broken: not updating GAN since 8 September
Legoktm, while Legobot appears to be operating at the moment, it isn't doing any of the WP:GAN page or related GAN updates. Its most recent GAN-related edit is this one, made at 21:42, 8 September 2020 (UTC), nearly six days ago.
Please look into this and get this particular Legobot process up and running again as soon as possible. The page is now badly in need of a refresh. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:52, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the message, it looks like it got stuck during the Toolforge maintenance and has just been sitting there stalled ever since. I kicked it now and it's running again. Legoktm (talk) 05:47, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
- It's running again; thank you so much. I'm very pleased; I was starting to do manual updates, and the bot is far better and much less time-consuming. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:24, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
- It seems the bot is stuck in "On review Gloria Swanson by SusunW" mode :P - every 20 minutes it increments the number of reviews by one but does nothing else. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 06:18, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
- Legobot expects the
{{GA nominee}}to be the first item (its doc says that it "should be placed at the top of the talk page of the nominated article"; and WP:GAN/I#N2 says "Paste{{subst:GAN|subtopic=}}to the top of the article talk page", which is echoed at the doc for{{subst:GAN}}). This position is also shown at WP:TALKORDER, so let's see if this edit fixes it. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:58, 17 September 2020 (UTC) - @BlueMoonset: That wasn't enough, but this edit of yours did fix it properly. Looking back, the breakage seems to have begun with Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) removing the
|status=onreviewin this edit. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:09, 17 September 2020 (UTC)- How so? The review was being relisted under a new page, so it needs to have the status changed. It'll have been due to it not being the top template in the page, or that the original review didn't have a pass/fail. Or, was this just removing the parameter all together? So long as it is all working ok, and the toolforge issues are back online we got through the cold! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:17, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
- Lee Vilenski, your edit removed the entire status parameter, which caused the error with Legobot. Next time, please just remove the value (i.e., "onreview") while leaving the parameter ("|status="). Legobot kept trying and trying and trying to update the GA nominee template, but it came up with an error because it found the review page but the template didn't indicate any status field to modify. If we ever get a new bot, it will hopefully restore missing required fields rather than throw an error, leaving them to be filled in as appropriate. The bot will choke at any missing field, even the "|note=" field, which is typically blank. (There is a "time" field allowed, but it's optional and almost never used.) Redrose64, I've never been sure why the instructions say that the GA nominee template needs to be at the very top, because the bot will find the template in most places on the page, but it's probably safest to say that, because sometimes people put the template inside the {{WikiProject banner shell}} despite being told top of the page, and the bot can't see it there. Only recently I came across a template immured in that manner—since it had been sitting there for over two years, I deleted it, since the nominator hadn't even noticed that nothing had happened and, if I recall correctly, wasn't very active. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:05, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- What you describe certainly happened at User talk:Legobot/2020#Crystal Gayle. Besides that, there have been other cases within the last year or two where a valid
{{GA nominee}}was not being detected properly and the nominator was being told that it had failed when in fact the review was either not yet started, was onreview or was onhold. With these cases, the{{GA nominee}}was second item on the page, directly following a{{FailedGA}}from years earlier. We exchanged them, and Legobot immediately behaved itself. So{{GA nominee}}definitely needs to go before any{{FailedGA}}. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:14, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- What you describe certainly happened at User talk:Legobot/2020#Crystal Gayle. Besides that, there have been other cases within the last year or two where a valid
- Lee Vilenski, your edit removed the entire status parameter, which caused the error with Legobot. Next time, please just remove the value (i.e., "onreview") while leaving the parameter ("|status="). Legobot kept trying and trying and trying to update the GA nominee template, but it came up with an error because it found the review page but the template didn't indicate any status field to modify. If we ever get a new bot, it will hopefully restore missing required fields rather than throw an error, leaving them to be filled in as appropriate. The bot will choke at any missing field, even the "|note=" field, which is typically blank. (There is a "time" field allowed, but it's optional and almost never used.) Redrose64, I've never been sure why the instructions say that the GA nominee template needs to be at the very top, because the bot will find the template in most places on the page, but it's probably safest to say that, because sometimes people put the template inside the {{WikiProject banner shell}} despite being told top of the page, and the bot can't see it there. Only recently I came across a template immured in that manner—since it had been sitting there for over two years, I deleted it, since the nominator hadn't even noticed that nothing had happened and, if I recall correctly, wasn't very active. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:05, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- How so? The review was being relisted under a new page, so it needs to have the status changed. It'll have been due to it not being the top template in the page, or that the original review didn't have a pass/fail. Or, was this just removing the parameter all together? So long as it is all working ok, and the toolforge issues are back online we got through the cold! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:17, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
- Legobot expects the
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- There is a new tag for reverted edits. For example you can see it in the recent changes feed or in the article history. It is added to edits when they have been undone, rollbacked or manually reverted to an older version of the page. [8][9]
Changes later this week
- The number of times you can do something in a period of time on wiki is limited. This could be the number of edits per minute or the number of users you email in a day. Some users are not affected by all limits because of their user rights. They could soon see the limit even if it does not affect them. [10]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 September. It will be on all wikis from 24 September (calendar).
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21:25, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
The Signpost: 27 September 2020
- Special report: Paid editing with political connections
- News and notes: More large-scale errors at a "small" wiki
- In the media: WIPO, Seigenthaler incident 15 years later
- Featured content: Life finds a Way
- Arbitration report: Clarifications and requests
- Traffic report: Is there no justice?
- Recent research: Wikipedia's flood biases
The Signpost: 27 September 2020
- Special report: Paid editing with political connections
- News and notes: More large-scale errors at a "small" wiki
- In the media: WIPO, Seigenthaler incident 15 years later
- Featured content: Life finds a Way
- Arbitration report: Clarifications and requests
- Traffic report: Is there no justice?
- Recent research: Wikipedia's flood biases
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Admins can now see links to diffs of deleted revisions on Special:AbuseLog. This uses the interface of Special:Undelete. [11]
- Editors are automatically added to some user groups. For example editors are added to autoconfirmed users when they have edited enough times and long enough. Abuse filters can hinder users from automatically getting user rights for a period of time. They can also remove rights user have. Wikis can now ask to change how long this period of time is for their wiki in Phabricator. It is currently five days. [12]
Problems
- Last year some abuse filters stopped working because of a new change. If they tried to use variables that were unavailable for that action they would fail. This has now been fixed. [13]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 September. It will be on all wikis from 1 October (calendar).
Future changes
- You can't see the language links to other language versions from the talk page or history page. They are also not shown when you edit an article. This could change. It is not decided if for example the history page should link to another history page or to the article. You can take part in the discussion in Phabricator.
- The link colours could change. This is to make the difference between links and other text more clear. You can read more in Phabricator.
- In your preferences you can choose to get different notifications on the web or by email. You will see
Appsas one of the alternatives later this week. This is because the Android and iOS Wikipedia apps will use push notifications for those who want them. You can see the preferences on the test wiki. The goal is to have push notifications on Android in October and on iOS in early 2021. [14] - You can soon put pages on your watchlist for a limited time. This could be useful if you want to watch something for a shorter time but don't want it on your watchlist forever. It now works on mediawiki.org and will come to more wikis later. You can read more and see when it will come to other wikis.
- You can see what Wikimedians think are the best new technical tools this year. You can also nominate them.
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21:23, 28 September 2020 (UTC)