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listas

Hi, thanks for adding the |listas= parameter. Just a note that it is now preferable to add this parameter to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template rather than individual project banners. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:39, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I had wondered about that. Thank you for letting me know. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 18:43, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

BNN Breaking

FYI, there was a very damning article about BNN Breaking in the New York Times today ("It Looked Like a Reliable News Site. It Was an A.I. Chop Shop"). From the article: "(Mr. Chahal) used his news service to exercise grudges, publishing slanted stories about a politician from San Francisco he disliked, Wikipedia after it published a negative entry about BNN Breaking and Elon Musk after accounts belonging to Mr. Chahal, his wife and his companies were suspended on X." BNN Breaking is no more. Chisme (talk) 19:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. I can't say I'm particularly surprised by any of that. I wonder what his next move will be. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 20:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Request for opinion

Hello @Lepricavark, I would like to request your opinion at Chairperson#Requested move 16 June 2024. PadFoot2008 04:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

MOS:ORDER

Thank you for added dating tags but please read MOS:ORDER before doing any more. The short description always goes before that dating tag. Please go back and fix those. Thanks! Masterhatch (talk) 17:39, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Does it make any difference which comes first? LEPRICAVARK (talk) 17:42, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

The MOS thinks so. And I agree Masterhatch (talk) 17:43, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Surely you can provide an actual answer. I'm willing to make the switch for the time being, but I need an actual reason. This is not something that affects the reader in any way. If you're going to ask me to make my own job more difficult, then I'd appreciate a little courtesy. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 17:47, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

MOS:ORDER is important so we don't get stupid stuff like stub tags and categories put at the top and short descriptions put at the bottom. Masterhatch (talk) 17:46, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't put stub tags or categories at the top, nor do I put short descriptions at the bottom. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 17:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

I didn't say you did. I was giving an example of why MOS:ORDER is important. And, really, is it that hard to put it below the SD? Masterhatch (talk) 17:51, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

It adds an extra step to every edit, which I find especially annoying given that you still haven't taken the step of substantively answering my original question. I didn't ask why the MOS is so important; I asked whether it makes any actually difference whether the template comes before or after the SD. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 17:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

It's been discussed at length here and here. If you don't think its important enough to take one extra step then i suggest you start up a new discussion Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Layout. Masterhatch (talk) 18:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for linking those discussions, although I doubt they can answer my question of whether it actually makes any difference. In fact, it makes essentially no difference whether the dates template comes before the SD. It will not affect readers in any way, nor will it affect anything else. I am not interested in talking with other editors who share the inflexible commitment to the MOS that you've displayed here, so I will not be starting any new discussions. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 18:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Upon further consideration, thank you for bringing this issue to my attention, and I apologize for the surliness of my original replies. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 18:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

It's all good. Masterhatch (talk) 19:34, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Please also do not blindly mass-add MDY tags to articles, otherwise you end up with nonsense like this. You appear to be making one edit every 4/5 seconds on average, are you checking properly before you save? GiantSnowman 13:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I've implemented a workaround to skip pages with the DMY tag, and I will be more careful in the future. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 13:34, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Just to add to this. I'd got this list of DMY & MDY conflicts down to just 17 articles. It's now 68. Can you fix the ones you've added please. - X201 (talk) 07:52, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I've begun working on those. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 12:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks - X201 (talk) 07:23, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

No problem. I think my accidental additions to that list are all resolved now. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 11:40, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Thank you kindly! LEPRICAVARK (talk) 03:01, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

EEng ANI thread

I certainly did not intend my complaint to be a "character assassination". I tried to be fair and point out EEng has made helpful edits, and tried to think of ways they could continue to do so. Usually the fact that someone has broken a rule many times results in a different outcome compared to someone who has broken a rule only once, when other people try to stop the bad behavior. This case was not an acute problem so much as a chronic problem that has recently flared up again, and I don't see how it is possible to explain that it is a chronic problem without giving at least an overview of its history. -- Beland (talk) 08:00, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

The comment by EEng that prompted you to file that thread was mildly terse, and I doubt if you would have it given a second thought had it come from anyone else. From my viewpoint, you seized upon a small edit that wasn't really an issue and used it as a springboard to try to start a discussion about EEng's long-term conduct. The community already had one of those discussions very recently, and I chose not to participate in part because I didn't want to be subjected to insinuations against my character from editors who think they have the moral high ground. As you can see from the recent comments on your own talk page, the hypocrisy can be staggering. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 11:46, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Well, I think going out of one's way to be disrespectful to other editors simply because they are following Wikipedia policies like WP:BURDEN is a problem. I don't think I would have filed this complaint if I hadn't noticed EEng's "hold your breath until you turn blue" comment (followed by swearing and an extended flying-off-the-handle rant against another editor), which justifies a response no matter who the editor was. That comment was made in June, which is too long ago to be actionable now by itself. While investigating the appropriate response, I noted that EEng had already been blocked by more recent comments. I decided to watch their contributions after they came back to see if serving their longest block so far had changed their behavior at all. The answer appears to be "no", which is information the previous AN/I discussion didn't have.

I'm sorry you felt like you couldn't participate in that discussion; that sounds like an example of the sort of alienating toxicity I'm trying to reduce. Certainly if other people have legitimate reasons to call me uncivil, that's something I'd want to change about myself. I'm certainly annoyingly persistent and often blunt, and I remember editors accusing me of being biased (which is par for the course in any polarized debate these days, justified or not)...but never uncivil. Is there a specific message or message on my user talk page you're thinking of? The only two people to write there about the EEng thread were to thank me for filing the complaint and apologizing for the responses I got from other editors. -- Beland (talk) 19:43, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

• I'm sorry you were swiftly attacked and insulted at ANI by the usual cabal that shows up there whenever a thread about EEng opens.
• Thank you for trying to make the community better instead of being an enabler. The same clique always rush to defend each other whenever incivility is reported.

Those remarks are uncivil. Those two editors ran to your talk page to vent their anger against 'the usual cabal/enablers', and they were clever enough to say nice things to you so that wouldn't notice they were using your talk page as a forum to take cheap shots at other people. The difference between you and them is that you showed me the courtesy of coming to my talk page for a conversation. The aggressive civility enforcers generally don't talk to editors like me; they talk about us behind our backs. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 22:21, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for clarifying. -- Beland (talk) 23:57, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Louie Meadows

hey Lep. can you please take a look at the Louie Meadows page. You reverted some edits at the beginning of the month.but either someone is vandalizing the page or trying to highjack the page. Thank you CannisRoofus (talk) 02:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

It was actually someone else who did the reverts earlier this month, but thank you for bringing that to my attention. I've reverted and will put the page on my watchlist. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 03:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you

I don't know if I ever personally thanked you for your input in this mess. Thank you. There have been some developments since then which are worth reading: [1]. Again, thank you! Buffs (talk) 17:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to say that. That 'mess', as you accurately term it, was a long time ago, and I have very little recollection of it, but I'm sure the whole affair was quite memorable for you. I was not aware of the more recent developments, but they are certainly interesting. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 00:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)