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Record Producer

re: Ollie Green, I thought this was the preferred title to distinquish between film, food and every other kind of producer. Several articles have been changed. Richhoncho (talk) 20:13, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

PS. I am in trouble on this one, I created Category:Songs written by Ollie Green which I obviously need to correct. Also, I have found another member for Category:Songs written by Johan Gustafson, but he is an ice hockey player, cat needs to move. Can I leave to you? --Richhoncho (talk) 06:58, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Everything I Didn't Say

The article Everything I Didn't Say you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Everything I Didn't Say for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of ErnestKrause -- ErnestKrause (talk) 17:02, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Draft:George T. Yang is Review In Progress

Is there a reason it has been thus for 8 days now? 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:17, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

I wanted to mark it as "accept" but the page is create-protected so needs unprotected and merging over Timtrent >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 17:43, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

I imagine you have requested that an admin solves that problem? 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:44, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

It appears I've missed that step - apologies. I shall sort that out shortly. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 17:49, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Draft Article for Linda Adler-Kassner

Thanks for your feedback. At this point, I am not sure what more my colleagues and I are supposed to do to make this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Linda_Adler-Kassner page go live? It's been heavily updated to remove the overly CV / promotional elements numerous times. What, exactly, is the offending portion of the page? Is it the overall feel or are there specific elements that need to be refined? We tried to report the facts of this person in a straightforward way. This person is a key figure in the field of Writing Studies, having achieved numerous national accomplishments across several institutions - including advising in education for the Obama Administration. We would really appreciate being pointed in a specific direction as to what needs to be fixed, as we have had numerous wikipedia authors take a look and help edit. Thank you. Dr. B.C. Ernst (talk) 21:36, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Bcernst Firstly, do you have any associate to the topic? If so you need to check out WP:COI and report any conflicts of interest. Your username suggests you might be a colleague or workmate of the topic. My personal gripe is I couldn't ascertain that the draft meets WP:NACADEMIC. Are any of Linda Adler-Kassner's works considered seminal? Has she been published in peer reviewed papers and journals? Has her work been cited per NACADEMIC?

Your GA nomination of Everything I Didn't Say

The article Everything I Didn't Say you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Everything I Didn't Say for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of ErnestKrause -- ErnestKrause (talk) 11:02, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Right There (Nicole Scherzinger song)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Right There (Nicole Scherzinger song) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Kyle Peake -- Kyle Peake (talk) 08:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

"Glucose (song)" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Glucose (song) and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 July 19#Glucose (song) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Richhoncho (talk) 23:31, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Right There (Nicole Scherzinger song)

The article Right There (Nicole Scherzinger song) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Right There (Nicole Scherzinger song) for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Kyle Peake -- Kyle Peake (talk) 13:01, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Parisi (musicians)

Hi, I've replaced a primary source citation with an independent one, as per your comment on my draft article. As far as I can tell, there was only one artist website that I linked to, so this should sort out the issue, but please let me know if I've misunderstood? Robertjwiseman (talk) 11:42, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

In my opinion Robertjwiseman, There still is enough information about the person which isn't commercial sources about their releases. However, if you think there is/when you think there is please resubmit the draft. Another editor will review it. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 22:13, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of most-followed artists on Spotify (2nd nomination)

Hello, Lil-unique1,

You've mentioned WP:VENDOR in this AFD discussion 11 times. I think you have made your point about deleting this article and it is counter-productive to keep repeating yourself...it can backfire if people think you are bludgeoning the discussion. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:09, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Liz Thanks for the note, I appreciate what you are saying, but at the same time many of the comments don't address the reason for the nomination. It is necessary to mention the guideline when explaining and having a discussion. It is supposed to be a discussion, not a simple delete or keep vote. That said, I note what you are saying. I have challenged responses where it isn't clear that users understand the guidance - but I will back off a bit to ensure that I am not bludgeon the discussion (though I would point out that "bludgeon" is an essay/opinion. It has no weight). >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 21:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Right There (Nicole Scherzinger song)

The article Right There (Nicole Scherzinger song) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Right There (Nicole Scherzinger song) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Kyle Peake -- Kyle Peake (talk) 07:02, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

RE: [1]

I'm very confused as to this declination rationale. The subject has been dead for 120 years, so it is certainly not a BLP. Additionally, for future reference, the BLP declination should only be used when there are unsourced defamatory statements in a BLP. If there are just normal unsourced statements in a BLP, use the ilc declination instead. Regardless, don't let this bog you down, I just wanted to give some helpful advice. Keep up the great work! Curbon7 (talk) 01:23, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Curbon7 - apologies it slipped my mind that BLP applied to living only. I know that sounds daft but I'm so used to the acronym I'd forgotten ILC exists! Either way, I'd have still declined, after trying my hardest to make the referencing make sense! >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 08:00, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Operation Mincemeat

Hi! Thank you for your feedback in Operation Mincemeat (musical). I've made some updates since you last reviewed, could you please take another look? Happy to make any further changes that you suggest. Thanks! Vero.i.am (talk) 13:25, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Vero.i.am, thanks for your message. The links are prone to WP:LINKROT at the moment. If you can fix those, add some archives and then resubmit. I prefer to let another person review final submissions. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 15:16, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Genre

Could I ask for your opinion on the genres in the Infobox on The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill? Much of articles genre in the lead and under “Music and lyrics” both state this is a “Neo-soul and R&B album, with some songs being hip hop soul”. From my understanding per the template it must be cited with a source calling the albums genre. Another user and I were in a slight edit war over it because much of the other genres listed in the Infobox such as hip hop, hip hop soul, and progressive rap seem to either be in the wrong places throughout the entire article. There always was a discussion opened on the pages talk page. The other user also was claiming because it was listed on a websites “top 100 hip hop albums” that justifies that counts to be included as a source for the genre? Not quite sure if that’s correct? Hopefully I can hear your thoughts on this. Also please look at the pages revision history along with the discussion on the talk page as well just so there’s also a better understanding. Pillowdelight (talk) 10:23, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Pillowdelight hello buddy. No - inclusion on Top 100 lists or charts of a specific genre does not make a song or album of that genre. Hip- Hop is a good example of a "capture all" for many genres including Trap, Grime, Urbano, Rap etc. Follow the guidance at WP:EXPLICITGENRE. The genres might be sources in the critical reception, accolades or composition sections of an album - it doesn't matter really where they are sourced. Common phrasing might be "a mix of soul and hip-hop" or "songs that transcend R&B and hip-hop." However, if it says x song is R&B, Y song is Hip-hop and there's neo soul undertones, it would be WP:OR to call the whole album R&B, Hip-Hop and Neo-Soul. The album as a whole body of work must be what is being described. Hope that helps. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 11:22, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

infodisc.fr still discussing

Hi Lil-unique1. As the matter is still under discussion, perhaps removing certifications like you did here is premature? Especially since I don't see anyone even claiming that infodisc is not reliable for certifications, just that perhaps they need permission to use these certifications. I think consensus is that they are unreliable for sales. I have no opinion about charts. --Muhandes (talk) 18:52, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Muhandes to be fair, that was before I started the discussion. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 22:05, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Indeed it was, my apologies. --Muhandes (talk) 05:37, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Comment on "Dance music and general dancing music."

Hi. Do you mind to take a look at talk page? Feel free to comment. 113.210.94.64 (talk) 14:31, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Don't Hold Your Breath

The article Don't Hold Your Breath you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Don't Hold Your Breath for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Example -- Example (talk) 11:21, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

WP:RMTR

Hi there, please note that if you oppose an entry on WP:RMTR you should move it to the contested section. There is no need to explicitly support items either, as in theory they should be uncontroversial. -Kj cheetham (talk) 19:47, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

About Born Pink

Hi, I saw that you deleted the pre-order sales for Born Pink while it had a Primary source which was the company, according to Wikipedia:No original research#Primary, secondary and tertiary sources it work as a reliable source right? Because its "offer an insider's view of" "a work of art," or something like that. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Lililolol (talk) 01:42, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

@Lililolol: no. If you read the policy stated (which you linked), it says "A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge. For example, an article about a musician may cite discographies and track listings published by the record label, and an article about a novel may cite passages to describe the plot, but any interpretation needs a secondary source.". It is impossible to verify sources based solely on a what a record label has said. Record labels are not valid sources for sales. See Talk:List_of_best-selling_music_artists/Archive_20#Pink!, Talk:List_of_best-selling_music_artists/Archive_14#Mariah_Carey, the discussion at Talk:List_of_best-selling_music_artists/Archive_26#Mariah_Carey where Carey's label suggested that her sales had increased 25million in a year. All of these prove that labels are not reliable sources for sales. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 14:45, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Promotion of List of songs recorded by Ella Henderson

Congratulations, Lil-unique1! The list you nominated, List of songs recorded by Ella Henderson, has been promoted to featured status, recognizing it as one of the best lists on Wikipedia. The nomination discussion has been archived.

This is a rare accomplishment and you should be proud. If you would like, you may nominate it to appear on the Main page as Today's featured list. Keep up the great work! Cheers, PresN (talk) via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hummingbird_Heartbeat

On the page of "Angels like you" by miley they added the date by the usic n etwork. could u help deleting it. 83.34.32.68 (talk) 10:34, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for making edits to Google Me (Kim Zolciak song) which resulted in the completion of its GA nomination in my absence. I really appreciate it, and all of your contributions. Thank you. Carbrera (talk) 15:38, 4 October 2022 (UTC).

Carbrera we weren't sure what had happened, but the song wasn't off so happy to help/see it through. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 18:51, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Tip?

Hey Lil Unique, I’ve noticed you’ve as well have had run ins with the user RoundTeen. They are adding charts on songs with the word “Tip” in place of a number. [2] [3] Is this a thing??? Out of all my 3 years almost 4 now, I’ve never come across a chart on here with “Tip”. I’ve looked at both Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Record charts and Template:Single chart and both pretty much state it must be a number. I’m not even quite sure what Tip is supposed to stand for? Pillowdelight (talk) 23:33, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Hey Pillowdelight, to the Tip is short for Tipperade and is Ultra Charts equivalent of the Bubbling Under Chart. For some reason, at some point, they stopped ranking songs by specific numbers. But either way, the chart table is clearly for numbers and peak positions. The word "Tip" isn't a position or ranking so I'm clear it shouldn't appear. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) —

Finnish PDF

Hi Lil-Unique, this is something that I've found rather odd regarding the Finnish pdf chart. Apparently, I've come across the article Last Christmas, and since it's a Christmas song, it's one of the very old songs to keep reappearing on the charts (especially at the end of the year); unsurprisingly, HumanxAnthro included the pdf chart to that song along with currently active chart, one thing that got me confused is that peaks on the pdf chart doesn't align with the current active chart. For example the sales peaks, which are on the middle-hand column (see page 280), states the song peaked at no. 1 on the sales chart, but if you check the current website, it states the song peaked at no. 2 on the sales on week 52, 2019 (2 years before this pdf was published), and same thing goes with airplay chart. For what it's worth, under the title of song in the pdf, there's a note written in Finnish which roughly translates to "best single and stream position from 2018, radio position from 2011", also it's important to note that on the right-hand column of the table states the song entered the Finnish charts on the week of 12, 1984. Could those peaks be reached during that time? I was about to remove the pdf chart but I got hesitated, what's your thoughts on it? Moh8213 (talk) 14:14, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@Moh8213:, hello this isn't one I know much about. Best bet is to raise it at WP:RECORDCHARTS. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 19:53, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Cuff It

Hi! Today I noticed in the edit history in the article about Cuff It you removed the information the song was released in a radio airplay format in France (January 6, 2023). I would like to ask you what's the reason for this. I know Pure Charts (chartsinfrance.net) isn't listed as a reliable or unreliable source in Wikipedia:Singles criteria, but I also see it's used as a source to confirm the release of other songs as singles (quite a popular example recently, I believe, is Lady Gaga's Bloody Mary). There's also the possibility maybe the content of this particular article on Pure Charts is the problem, and here I have to admit I don't know French, but the translator claims the author of this article has already called this song a single and wrote, in connection with the then-upcoming radio impact of the song in the United States, And France? As confirmed by the Columbia label, "Cuff It" is also launched as the second official single from the album "Renaissance"., which rather means the song has already been released as a radio single in France.
I noticed this change only now and I'm curious what was the reason for this removal, because until then everyone seemed to accept this source, and since this website is also used in other articles, it's also worth knowing whether to remove it if it's unreliable. Thank you!
Danionek (talk) 16:40, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

@Danionek:, the website is run by hobbyists, no credentials as far as I can tell. That said, if there's a suggestion its okay for news/interviews that's fine if everyone agrees >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 20:08, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Turkey Charts from Radio Monitor

Hi, I noticed you had several discussions in the past with user:Razborka about the use of Radio Monitor Turkey as a source. At the moment he or she is adding content on Arcade despite that this is, how I understand, not a reliable source. I don't want to engage in an edit war, and since this is the first time I have this at hand, I don't know how to deal with this. I hope you can help. Thank you. Tommie2007 (talk) 10:30, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Alicia (album) featured article review

I have nominated Alicia (album) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. 𝒮𝒾𝓇 𝒯𝑒𝒻𝓁𝑜𝓃 (talk | contribs) 08:02, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

SNEP Sales Chart

Hello, Lil-unique 1 I know you are against chartsinfrance but it will be more important in Template:Single chart in another name: francesales, as they did in French Wikipedia in franceventes, Look closely: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Singlechart, please thanks RoundTeen (talk) 20:36, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Talk:The_Storm_Before_the_Calm#Euro_label

Hi @Lil-unique1: Share your thoughts regarding the album if you wish to. 2001:D08:2900:6BAE:176E:432B:2BB6:657A (talk) 05:26, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Would you consider becoming a New Page Reviewer?

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Opinion on chart

Hey Lilunique, I’m not too sure if you’re familiar with charts but I was wondering if you knew anything on an Australian website called auspOp for ARIA? Are they considered reliable? After looking at In My Defense it’s listed at reaching number 52. But I noticed user Ss112 was the one who added it back in 2019. Although it’s not mentioned on WP:CHARTS I figured I’d like to get your opinion on what you think… Pillowdelight (talk) 00:38, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: no idea tbh. SS112 is usually quite reliable and quite hot on this stuff, not that it automatically means they're always right by default. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 21:12, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Charles III requested move discussion

There is a new requested move discussion in progress for the Charles III article. Since you participated in the previous discussion, I thought you might like to know about this one. Cheers. Rreagan007 (talk) 07:08, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Other British monarch requested move discussions currently taking place

Since you recently participated in the Charles III requested move discussion, I thought you might like to know that there are two other discussions currently going on about other British monarch article titles here and here. Cheers. Rreagan007 (talk) 22:27, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Pussycat Dolls article

You changed the discography page for The Pussycat Dolls to remove Out of This Club as a single, but the album article and singles articles still get edited to list. They’re inconsistent Friendlyhelper9949 (talk) 00:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Friendlyhelper9949, its not a single. A radio add date alone doesn't equal single. Songs can be sent to radio then cancelled like "Like A Surgeon (Ciara song)". It needs coverage after the fact that it was released and promoted as a single. I am old enough to remember when it came out and it definitely wasn't promoted, rather than assuming I'm wrong please consider whether or not you have understood the rules and change the content that's wrong. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 11:13, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm Into You

Hi, just wanna let you know that I'm mad at you for reverting my edits on I'm Into You. When I was editing an article by typing "(who also the featured artist)" for Lil Wayne, why on earth did you remove that term. It doesn’t make any sense. SuperSuperSonic207 (talk) 15:53, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Opinion

Hi again! Hope all is well, I have a question and would love your opinion. I’m not too sure how familiar you are with album/single certifications. But I’m in a dispute with an editor regarding certifications, if an album has a ref with its sales but the cert was updated after the article was published what is supposed to be in the box? [4] this user reverted it by bringing up a discussion I opened over 3 years ago regarding this type of issue. Yet I feel like I’m following what they’re stating. Majority of the time I’ve seen most users remove the sales after an updated cert is released due to it being “outdated”. I opened a discussion on their talk page but they’re insinuating that I’m wrong. I have also reached out to an admin due to this being the second incident I’ve had with this user. But I would like to get an opinion from you if you’re able to please, I opened a discussion herePillowdelight (talk) 06:10, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Talk:The_Storm_Before_the_Calm#Euro_label

Hi lil unique. There's a discussion on the talk page about label in the infobox of The Storm Before the Calm. All you know that the previously discussion about Nuyorican Productions at Talk:Love?/Archive 1. --183.171.121.231 (talk) 08:03, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Evening Standard

Hello. Just wanted to say in response to this summary, we're not using it for factual reporting, merely an opinion, and WP:RSP says there is no consensus on it (which means it can still freely be used) and is considered "more reliable" than other British tabloids (which isn't saying much, I know). I understand tabloids like the Daily Mail were expunged in all instances, including for opinion, but no consensus is no consensus. Technically users can call any news source into question and have it included there after a long discussion. Ss112 16:23, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

@Ss112:, granted you're correct here. There are probably better and more qualified reviews out there. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 21:48, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Cont'd of track listing template discussion

Hey Uniq. There's recent discussion for suggestion of leave the blank only for interlude as uncredited songwriter/producer. 2001:D08:2930:F7D1:17AE:4429:6506:3DF0 (talk) 17:45, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Using video thumbnails as cover artworks

Hey Lil-unique1, I just want your opinion as a music editor who also occasionally nominates images for deletion. I'm not sure if you're aware of the musical animated series Hazbin Hotel—but anyway, a few songs from the series have articles here now, and the user who created them has uploaded the thumbnails for the songs' music videos as replacement artworks in the cover= parameter of the infoboxes. I could have sworn (and you might be aware) that there is precedent, an "unspoken rule" if you will, to not use video thumbnails as covers, but as I really don't mark down dates, times and links of previous FFDs where thumbnails that have been used as covers have been deleted it's basically just my word that there is precedent rather than policy or a guideline not to do so. If you feel like offering your opinion, the discussion is at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2024 February 27#File:Poison Song Cover Image.jpeg. Thanks! Ss112 14:03, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Multiple durations

Hello. I happened to notice this edit of yours on My House (Beyoncé song). Template:Infobox song doesn't say we can't include multiple versions' lengths like it does for one release date etc; it actually says "If additional lengths are entered, use {{Duration}} for the second and subsequent lengths: {{Duration|3:09}} will produce "3:09"." Ss112 00:03, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Ss112, there's a long standing tradition of not including multiple durations unless its consequential e.g. the single version doesn't have a feature and is longer. Its no biggie if you want to restore it.

Genres.

Hello, there seems to be issues regarding the genres on Lotus (Christina Aguilera album). I reverted the article back to your version but user "Laylaluvalog" is now genre warring. That user has a problem with misinterpreting sources, they've even admitted to misreading sources. Along with disruptive editing on lotus they are now doing it on other articles. OkIGetIt20 (talk) 17:22, 9 April 2024 (UTC)