Marshwiggle23

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Again, welcome! User:Eagleash (talk) 15:21, 21 December 2022 (UTC) Eagleash (talk) 14:56, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Reverted edits

Hi,

I reverted two of your recent edits to Brunstad Christian Church and explained why on the article's talk page. According to Wikipedia policy, Wikipedia does not publish original research, which is defined as "material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and stories—not already published by reliable sources. It also refers to any analysis or synthesis by Wikipedians of published material, where the analysis or synthesis advances a position not advanced by the sources." I have no problem with the material being included in the article if you can attribute it to a reliable published source, as required by the policy.

Cheers Wikipeterproject (talk) 23:40, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Marshwiggle23,

You posted the following reply on my talk page, which I have posted below, to ensure the continuity of the conversation:

(marsh 13:30, 20 June 2010 (UTC)) Marshwiggle 23 - Dr. A.V. Koshy - terrestrian@gmail.com Dear Wikipeter project. You removed two of my edits to Brunstad Christian Church project stating they are original research. They are not. The sources are found in books published by BCC itself. Sice they are in book form and not available on the net as they have a private bookstore and the reliable sources do not contain the information I am giving you I am at a loss what to do next. Also: I do not know if this is the right place to write this. If not, forgive me and remove it but please inform me in messages how to get in touch with you to discuss how such information can be included in case the sources are there and verifiable but not available due to contingencies such as the ones I have stated Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marshwiggle23 (talk • contribs) 13:30, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

You can respond here, I have the page on "watch", so I'll see when/if you post here. I'll try to explain why your edit was original research, based on the Wikipedia policy, which is published at Wikipedia:No original research. Your edit is below in italics, with my comments in normal fornt and parentheses.

The BCC believes in kenosis. Ref. "Gospel of God" by Sigurd Bratlie and "Christ manifest in the flesh" by Elias Aslaksen. (If the book you mention says that BCC believes in kenosis, add a citation referencing the book and the page number where that is written.))'

...(both, English trans.) which states that Jesus had sin in the flesh. This dissolves the concept of the Trinity. (What you have done here, by the look of it, is added your own analysis of a point of doctrine (that Jesus had "sin in the flesh) with the disolution of the concept of the Trinity. You would need to find a reliable secondary source that supports this and includie it as a cited reference. For example "X contends that this doctrine dissolves the concept of the Trinity".)

...The word Trinity is not found in any of their books, the justification being that it is not found in the Bible too, which is correct. (It looks like you have research their books and found that the Trinity is not mentioned. Again, you would need a secondary source that confirms this, otherise it is, by definition, your own original research.)

...They also quote or accept only songs by other selected "holy" Christians from the past, the only contemporary to escape this being Jessie Penn Lewis because J.O. Smith vouched for her bein in the Spirit in his letters, implying that from the time of J.O. Smith all other groups are wrong. (Who, other than you, has researched this? Is it published in a reliable secondary source? If so, add the citation and word it in a way that refers to the source. Otherwise it is your own original research and analysis.)

...These facts can be verified if their song books and hymnals and publications like The Way, Hidden Treasures and books by the church elders are studied. (This is not a reference - it is stating where you got the primary information for your own analysis above. I'm not commenting on the quality of your analysis - it's just that in Wikipedia, you can't include your own original thoughts, conclusions or interpretation of primarty sources. You need a reliable secondary source to support what you write. In other words, someone else has had to say it and published it in a reliable publication.)

...The original are not released to the common public and the translations keep changing, apparently for improvement but also for guarding of doctrinal issues so that the core message - "Jesus' victory over sin as a human being is the basis for personal victory over sin and transformation into Jesus' image" - is kept intact but restated in language that was once clear but now slightly more ambiguous. (Same as above - do you have a reliable secondary source to support this? You would need a source for the statement (that the "original are not released to the common public and the translations keep changing" and also a source that supports your claimed reason for this, i.e. that it is "for improvement but also for guarding of doctrinal issues so that the core message".)

...This theolgical postion is closer to that of Jehovah's Witnesses than to that of mainstream Christianity.It is due to the books by the elders being given as much importance as Scripture per se. (Again, you would need a reliable secondary source for this claim. Where have you read this, or is it your own conclusion? If the latter, it is original research. If the former, include the reference and rewrite the sentence to say something like "X writes that this theological position is...")

As I said above, I am not commenting on your statements per se and not debating this because of the actual content of your edit. This is a question of upholding the Wikipedia policy of no original research and, I believe, unless you can demonstrate that the edit isn't your own analysis, it will always be disputed and removed from the article. If, on the other hand, you can support your edits with reliable secondary sources, there is no grounds for it to be removed (assuming it meets the other two core content criteria od neutral point of view and verifiability. I hope this helps!

Regards,

Wikipeterproject (talk) 14:49, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. DGG ( talk ) 09:06, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Koshy AV (December 21)

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Eagleash (talk) 14:11, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

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December 2022

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:53, 22 June 2023 (UTC)