User talk:Martinevans123/Archive 18

2024

Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy New Year

2024

Like 2019, remember? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I have trouble remembering five days ago, let alone five years!! 😄 But thanks anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:39, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

That's why we have archives ;) - you click on the (former) image and get all names where it was mentioned. Longer story for Floq - don't want to type it again. - I have a poll on WT:DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:09, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

The 2023 picture is from the Abel Fest in Köthen, celebrating the tercentenary of Carl Friedrich Abel, a viol virtuoso, composer and concert organiser in London (together with Bach's youngest son), born on 22 December 1723 in Köthen, where the new catalogue of his works was introduced, - my story today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the links, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:05, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I see that you don't remember five day's ago. You met the author 14 Nov, and the catalogue 22 Dec ;) - better late than never --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:53, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

On the Main page now: the person who made the pictured festival possible --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:14, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

January music

story · music · places

Thank you for memories! I remember Ewa Podleś on the Main page, and have - believe it or not - two musical DYK. Shalom chaverim. On vacation, with something for your sweet tooth --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the links, Gerda. Happy Saint Dwynwen's Day! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:15, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Today: Anna Nekhames, the article in which a reviewer found nothing interesting. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Taking tons of vacation pictures, 23 chosen for 23 Jan, 6 uploaded, too tired for more - on my talk you see that it's the birthday of Mozart and our conductor ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:02, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Sounds great. Thanks Gerda. Today also the birthday of the wonderful Robert Wyatt. [1] Jennifer Maidman guitar; Annie Whitehead trombone; etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:32, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

well, I didn't realise it was already another day - being in a different time zone than normally - Mozart and conductor 27 Jan. - All 23 pics are there now, and I hope to manage the next day later today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:41, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Ah Gerda, you're such a jet setter! Gosh, we used to have four BBC channels... those were the days! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Today a friend's birthday, with related music and a few new vacation pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Ryland Davies

On 9 January 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ryland Davies, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a 1974 recording of Mozart's Così fan tutte with Ryland Davies as Ferrando was used in a 1995 film by the Salzburg Marionette Theatre? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ryland Davies. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ryland Davies), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Congrats (to you and to Gerda)! --Tryptofish (talk) 00:17, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

As usual, that was about 95% Gerda. I put in the bit about him being a keen rugby player in his youth. But thank you. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:47, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

I like that to appear on my mom's birthday ;) - who introduced me to sing, sing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:54, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps you (all) can add to Chris Karrer whom I nominated for RD (where it found only one support). I am not sure how to word the Krautrock legend thingy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Happy to bask in the reflected glory, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:03, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

I have a DYK on the Main page, but my story would be different, about Figaro, - this Figaro. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:12, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Paula Vennells (but not really)

Thank you for your last message at Talk:Paula Vennells. I don't know what it is about that article, but it seems to cause an editorial dispute at every turn (not all involving you, I do acknowledge)!

I do feel as though we've got off on the wrong foot, which is a shame as I believe we edit some of the same topics and so should be Wiki-friends (or at least Wiki-acquaintances). For example, I can see you've been involved with listed buildings in Gwynedd and I've recently brought Criccieth Castle and Dolwyddelan Castle up to GA status. I hope that if we bump into each other again we can make a better go of it. All the best, A.D.Hope (talk) 13:51, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for such a friendly message. Don't worry, I appreciate your robust discussion! I'm sorry that I am forever trying to make jokes. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC) ...for a moment there I misread and thought you had bought Criccieth Castle and Dolwyddelan Castle! 😄

To be quite honest I think Wikipedia would be better if editors took themselves less seriously (and I definitely include myself there), so joke away. I reckon I'd have been more open to them if the discussion had seemed less... interminable, not that that's anyone's fault.

I don't think either castle would suit me these days, they're a bit open-plan for my taste! A.D.Hope (talk) 21:33, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

The joke that blew Paula's chances of Bishop of London
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Q: Why did I have to wait a long time at the post office behind Satan? A: Because the devil can take many forms. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:46, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

I think that's your best one yet, Martin! A.D.Hope (talk) 13:12, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, that’s not saying much! Lol. Notice I didn’t mention Horizon! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:26, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

RIP Pluto Shervington

"Dat" (1976): "Rasta Ozzy from up the hill, Decide to check on him grocery bill..." Opal Records: PAL 5 Martinevans123 (talk) 19:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Was the producer for "Midnight Rider" by Paul Davidson (1975).

Thank you for ITNN for him. I wanted to fix the bare url, and get a "Security risk" warning, although it is the same website as the notice of his death which I can see fine. "the late veteran ..." isn't exactly neutral language to me ... - Have you seen my story today? Also on ITNN, - no comment yet. I have other (DYK) stories the two next days. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:28, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Peter Schickele, too. But I trust that PDQ lives on. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:40, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting that, Gerda. It's a unsecure mobile version of the site. I'll have to look for a better source which gives the chart position. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:40, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Here's a bit of Pluto's Little Weed from "Dat". Martinevans123 (talk) 12:14, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, lovely! - The composer is also on the Main page now, but I got nervous ;) - I have a pun on my talk, DYK, because St. Joseph is in Wedding. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:16, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

A pun? Well done! But I have yet to find it, lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:26, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

I thought you'd look for "wedding". Shortcut to the wedding pun --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Ah yes, of course. Obviously too subtle for me! Let's hope they don't split. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:43, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Supper in Moscow for Stenka

Meanwhile... back in 1967 Soviet Russia... here's the amazing Yuri Gulyayev. (A bit incongruous, I must admit: you're all sat down cosy, in a respectable little down-town Moscow supper club, and this guy suddenly gets up and starts wailing about a 17th-century Cossack leader who kills the beautiful Persian Princess he's just married and then throws her from his boat into the River Volga, "...in a gesture addressed to his disgruntled jealous comrades who accuse him of "mellowing down" after just one night spent with a woman." Let's face it, after a few bottles of 80 proof vodka with our mates, we've all been there, haven't we. [2]) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:22, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

.... and here's the better known version. Incredibly sweet. Wonderful harmonies. So sad. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:09, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Pluto Shervington

On 20 January 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Pluto Shervington, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 01:30, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Stephen. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:09, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Units

"Follow the sources" is the default, but is a convention not a firm rule. In articles on UK railways, for example, the current consensus is to use imperial, despite the fact that railway engineering in Britain has been done exclusively in metric since 1975. So the disp=flip option in {{convert}} gets heavy usage .

So the choice also depends on existing use in the article concerned, hence the MOS:RETAIN reference. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:28, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. I had assumed that "Follow the sources" was written somewhere in policy. I was surprised to see hectares shown first at Open University. That's a perfectly reliable source from the OU itself there, of course; perhaps ecology at the OU is always done in metric? But if one were to find multiple other sources, all equally reliable, that used acres, or which put acres first, I'm not sure how it would be "gaming the system" to use them. Most geographical areas of land I've seen for UK articles put acres first. So I guess MOS:RETAIN could be balanced against overall consistency. Are acres still taught in UK schools? I must admit I don't know. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:25, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

I would call it gaming the system if someone actively went hunting for sources to support a specific POV.

AFAIK, schools teach SI as the foundation system but have to ensure that students are aware of common imperial measures in common use, like miles, feet, inches; stones, pounds and ounces; pints and possibly gallons. No doubt rural schools teach acres but I'd be surprised if urban schools bother much. Of course with lunatic ideas like pint bottles of wine being proposed in all seriousness, who knows what nonsense the DFE is demanding nowadays. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 00:05, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Bring it on, I say! I'm all for Letterbox wine! ...Red Wine and Hobnobs, anyone?? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:13, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

RIP Laurie Johnson

Laurie Johnson MBE (7 February 1927 – 16 January 2024) - composer of the theme for The Avengers (1965) and many, many more. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:37, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

And Frank Farian. But we won't mention Milli Vanilli.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 14:54, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Have always seen you, Ian, as a kind of Wikipedia Daddy Cool, lol. The theme from The Avengers must be one of the best ever. "Just wonderful, Mrs. Peel"! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:59, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Farian had already done something similar with Bobby Farrell. I was shocked, shocked to learn that he did almost none of the male singing for Boney M, but it all went badly wrong with Milli Vanilli.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:19, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

I imagine you've got all the Farrell moves, too! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:25, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

For the sake of completeness, it should be pointed out that Maizie Williams also sang very little if at all during the studio recordings of the Boney M songs. For some reason this never caused a controversy, although it did when Farian had the same idea with Milli Vanilli.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:13, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, seems even though Morvan and Pilatus were "more talented musically than Bob Dylan, Paul McCartney and Mick Jagger", they only had a few Farrell sidestep moves... Martinevans123 (talk) 10:20, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

RIP Melanie

Melanie Anne Safka-Schekeryk (February 3, 1947 – January 23, 2024): "Brand New Key". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

"Brand New Key" was a number four hit in the UK, but The Wurzels reached number one with "The Combine Harvester". Life just isn't fair sometimes.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:30, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

"Ooh-arh, ooh-agh". Yes, another work of genius. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Rheidol Stag

Sorry about reverting your edit, I'm tryng to keep the image close to the relevant text. It actually worked better before a previous editor removed half of the explanation. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 12:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes it did, but that may have been "copyvio", so I can't complain... Often a trade-off with stubs. "Snow biggie, dude". Martinevans123 (talk) 12:21, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

That'd be me, I'm afraid! The difficulty was that the long explanation - some Martin's, some not - was not supported by the Coflein entry. This says, rather briefly, "Lead mine waste", and identifies it as a "Post-medieval Mining feature". And that's it. The long explanation of how the "head/body/legs" were formed just isn't there. Obviously, if someone can paraphrase a suitable RS which covers all this, then back in it can go. KJP1 (talk) 12:29, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I understand why, I was just looking at the visual effect! Murgatroyd49 (talk) 12:53, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Who am I?

Apparenlty Big Brother. Slatersteven (talk) 15:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Lol. Can you do the cat?? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:09, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

How dare you the rumors are false (and there is a restraining order out anyway). Slatersteven (talk) 15:51, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Huw am I?? (Warning: recycled joke from User:Ianmacm) Martinevans123 (talk) 15:57, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

The Popemobile

I'm just making a heavy-handed point to a new editor. Anna (talk) 15:22, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

I enjoyed it, anyway. Gambians are people too, you know! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:24, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

I'll stick with "Gambian school children" in future. For reference. Anna (talk) 15:32, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Birth places in lead

Hi, just clarifying. Per MOS:BIRTHPLACE birth/death places are not put in the brackets with dates. Birth and death places, if known, should be mentioned in the body of the article, and can appear in the lead if relevant to notability, but not in the opening brackets alongside the birth and death dates. Executive zombie (talk) 15:29, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Sounds entirely reasonable. Always great to see some useful trimming. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:33, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Glad to see we're not edit-warring...

over a packet of fags. I'm surprised that, by 2012, they could get away with heralding a packet of cigarettes as representing "20 years of quality"! ...lights another Malboro Gold and returns to task at hand. KJP1 (talk) 09:34, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

"A good smoke at a fair price" (i.e. your lungs).... "No, you don't see many wild stallions any more." Martinevans123 (talk) 09:41, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Pneumatic Institution

Martin - have to break off, as we're out to lunch. I need a way to make multiple references to the Stansfield article, but with different page numbers in each. I don't really want the article to appear multiple times in the Refs. I could do it if we were sfn, but we're not. Any ideas? KJP1 (talk) 11:51, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, sfn would be the way to go, I guess. Article would need a slight overhaul? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:52, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, they're all done now. If you had time to sfn it - as you say, the others would need doing to - that would be great. No worries if not, I'll put it on my To-Do list. Unless, any savvy TPSs know a better way to deal with multiple journal cites? KJP1 (talk) 16:52, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Ok now? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Muchas gracias - looks much better! Many thanks. KJP1 (talk) 17:24, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

"No le gusta caminar, No puede montar a caballo, Cómo se puede bailar, Es un escándalo!" apologies, the only Spanish I can bring to mind.... Martinevans123 (talk) 17:27, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Biblins Bridge

Your edit here, Lady Park Wood National Nature Reserve, inspired me to create the above. I used to love running across that swingy bridge as a kid! KJP1 (talk) 10:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Ah bless. Used to go hiking around there. Yes, very swingy, haha. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:38, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Let's keep it clean, you two! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

I've already promised to show him my half hitches and lashings. Just leave KJP's woggle out of this, if you don't mind! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

OK, I promise knot to do anything objectionable. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:47, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

"She was only the scoutmaster's daughter, But couldn't she make a massive sheet bend!!" Hay thang-u!! etc. etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:58, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

KJP1 came here looking for inspiration, but just found some lost souls. --That Fish Character

I come here to share some innocent childhood memories, and it's like a round of Innuendo Bingo! KJP1 (talk) 08:59, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Ha, the lovely old Samantha (and good old Sven). Yes, I know, I blame that fish character. He's like the proverbial bad penny... Martinevans123 (talk) 09:26, 1 February 2024 (UTC) It's a case of "oh, ruddy Nora, not again!" And I don't mean that one. But it keeps me smiling lol.

It's all Martin's fault. And I have documents to prove it. --Tryptofish (talk) 01:02, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

I can assure all readers that this is a complete and utter tissue of lies and extreme fibs on stilts. Any more of this malarkey and I'll probably end up with the hives and the screaming abdabs!! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:02, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

But at least your woggle will be OK. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:40, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Hmmm. Not so sure about my wiggle... "It's A Wiggly Wiggly World." (... with special guest Rolf Harris!!!) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:05, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm not so sure about it, either. But you can always fake it till you make it. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:03, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Amelia Earhart

While following the recent news, I wonder if the Earhart article could use some clearing up to simplify the length or descriptions of events. The description of the main image is superfluous, saying "Earhart beneath the nose of her Lockheed Model 10-E Electra, March 1937 in Oakland, California, before departing on her final round-the-world attempt prior to her disappearance"; the words "before departing on her final round-the-world attempt prior to her disappearance" could be omitted as it would be very clear when the photo was taken and doesn't necessary relate to the vanishing as that was months away. The words "It is generally presumed that she and Noonan died somewhere in the Pacific during the circumnavigation, just three weeks prior to her fortieth birthday" are an odd placement to me, as in the event any of the theories (crash and sink or Gardner island castaway) are ever confirmed, it could be misleading, particularly if for the sake of argument, it is the castaway theory that is confirmed, it possible she would have lived to have seen her 40th birthday, if she had survived on Gardner for some time before perishing. Speaking of which, there is a possible article that could be used for the recent sonar discovery in which David Jourdan (himself a crash and sink theorist) cautions, "It is impossible to identify anything from a sonar image alone as sound can be tricky and the artifact could be damaged in unpredictable ways altering its shape. For that reason, you can never say that something is (or isn’t) from a sonar image alone,~~ 92.17.199.182 (talk) 22:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

I guess she might have had a caption premonition? Who knows....perhaps it was just a false alarm. And yes, very sad there was no cake. But your arguments all look pretty sound to me. [3] Martinevans123 (talk) 22:49, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

References

Amelia Earhart talk

I have taken my above paragraph to the Earhart talk page. It appears there is a discussion to split the article regarding the "vanishing" section. ~~ 92.17.199.182 (talk) 17:07, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. That's the best place for it! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:21, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

13 Rivers

Phew, what an album.... "with songs that stick close to a vision of darkness, gloom, and noise." No-one else can really play like Thompson. He just seems to get better and better. "Her Love Was Meant for Me". Martinevans123 (talk) 20:23, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

February music

story · music · places

My calendar story today is about Michael Herrmann celebrating his birthday. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:17, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Today I am happy about a singer on the Main page (at least for the first hours), after TFA the same day last year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:32, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda. An interesting range. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:42, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

you made my day ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:33, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

And mine too, for proving my point. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:39, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Well I am very glad to hear it! I had no idea, as I can honesty say... I am not really a Dedicated Follower of DYK! [4]. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:48, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Which point, proved how? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Here's the wonderful Planxty, featuring the amazing Liam O'Flynn (1945–2018): "The Jolly Beggar" (Child ballad 279). Martinevans123 (talk) 17:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

thank you, some other day: Seiji Ozawa died, and I remember Haydn's Die Schöpfung, dress rehearsal in Tanglewood, as if it was yesterday. Kathleen Battle. Chorus all in white and singing from memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:47, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Ah yes, three days ago. A famous family. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:50, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

When I made today's story I was sure Alfred Grosser would appear on RD today, which may happen or not but I go to bed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:30, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks to Seiji Ozawa. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:00, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

... and today a woman and her views --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Saw your name in the ITNN candidates, where I have (again) one lingering on the last day - could you check if you can support Rudolf Jansen? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:43, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

It wasn't me, honest. Just one of my socks with the same name... Martinevans123 (talk) 17:48, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Now posted, I see. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:46, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, 4 minutes before midnight. - The image, taken on a cemetery last year after the funeral of a distant but dear family member, commemorates today, with thanks for their achievements, four subjects mentioned on the Main page and Vami_IV, a friend here. Listen to music by Tchaikovsky (an article where one of the four is pictured), sung by today's subject (whose performance on stage I enjoyed two days ago). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:27, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Listen to music from Ukraine if you like, - I heard it in 2022, and the November concert (at a different church) raised a truckload of winter clothes. My story today is also from my life: I heard the singer in 3 of the 4 mentioned musical items. I sang in yesterday's. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:49, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda. Amazing singing. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:48, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

They had to rearrange and adjust to the "cruel" situation of two altos and men, because many sopranos couldn't travel because there husbands were drafted and they had to serve the family. - Today's story celebrates a woman's birthday. She sat right in front of me when I took the picture at a lovely concert, celebrating her son's 60th. I thought she was 90 today, - no, 91 already. You can listen, starting at the piece he dedicated to her, Op. 1. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:29, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

more music and flowers on Rossini's rare birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:44, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining that about the cruel situation - it certainly worked out well. Ah yes, Rossini. You can't beat a bit of "shooting an apple off the head of your son Walter in a single attempt", can you. If he was alive today he'd only be 58! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:24, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

;) - did you listen to the Kyrie with the rhythm that stays with you fo the rest of the day? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:53, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Tin-foil hatter

Now, look where your seeking to engage with that tin-foil hatter on the Paula Vennels talkpage has got us to. They are now leaving Banning Notices on my Talkpage! Have you sorted your maths yet? KJP1 (talk) 12:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Apologies, yes.... the contagion seems to be spreading. DYK..... that King Charles III is really a giant reptile? Yes, maths all sorted thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:10, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

A giant reptile, and in an illegitimate marriage. And me a sock puppet of Ghmyrtle. Who knew. KJP1 (talk) 13:24, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

I hear Windsor Register Office will do salamanders, on a Thursday, if you slip them a few quid. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:26, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Nice usage of edit summary just now

I like it when folks swing their elbows widely. Thanks! BusterD (talk) 13:35, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

That old Glasgow idiom springs to mind.... "ye cruisin' for a bruisin', laddie!" Martinevans123 (talk) 13:39, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

You is.... rockin' like a Ninja, stingin' like a bee! (but don't quote me on that...) Martinevans123 (talk) 14:47, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Damo

Whaaat?[5] Ceoil (talk) 14:11, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

I was in the middle of redrafting. I don't think the article is long enough to warrant that degree of duplication in the lead. Oh well, whatevs. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:22, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Your right, but am working towards expanding the main body. As always, could really use your help here Martin. Ceoil (talk) 15:09, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Gimme an hour or two, and then might ask for you egale eyes. ps, having been ispired during talk chit chat with Serial earlier this morning, myself and my brother bought tickers to see these Fall influenced merchants in London in mid march.[6]. Oh boy do I love one note music! Ceoil (talk) 15:10, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

New to me. Are those gladiolis on the mic stand?? lol Martinevans123 (talk) 18:33, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

An obv ref to Steven Patrick, which I think is nice. Ceoil (talk) 22:30, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

RIP Damo

Damo Suzuki (16 January 1950 – 9 February 2024): "Spoon" (1971). Martinevans123 (talk) 20:16, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Also "Paperhouse" from Beat-Club (also 1971).

Lets not forget poor Malcolm: Father cannot Yell, December 2017. Note the two bass players :) Ceoil (talk) 22:27, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Best track on Ege Bamyasi? For me it's always "I'm So Green". A real groove. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:29, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Only discovered this during the week Dizzy Dizzy...it takes a while to get going but that is some seriously controlled funk. Maybe they didn't afterall completely loose it after Suzuki quit. Ceoil (talk) 00:29, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Another favourite! At their best at that time, in my view. Soon Over Babaluma and Landed both great. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:11, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Yerkes Observatory

Second-Largest refracting tele. Fact check lens size of Swedish 1-m Solar Tele —which is larger. Classact1000 (talk) 19:04, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

You might want to ask at Talk:Yerkes Observatory? I've never seen that article before. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:11, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Church of St Basil, Bassaleg

You can do these yourself, you know! KJP1 (talk) 08:35, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Oooh... impressive! And well done. I won't even check it for coyvio. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

It could almost certainly do with a check for typos etc. It is also rather "thin". And it's a pity that we don't seem to have a photo of the Morgan Chapel. But it's a Start. KJP1 (talk) 08:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

I think it's a very good start! I'll try and make some tiny pedantic "improvements". Martinevans123 (talk) 08:42, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Which reminds me, about five years ago!, we said we'd do something about Tredegar House. For one of Wales most important country houses, it's a pretty poor article. Shall put it back on the to-do list. KJP1 (talk) 09:12, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Stereo MC's

My present health state, and age (probably more the latter), means that I struggle to concentrate on matters for more than a few minutes. I wonder if you might have some interest in this outfit - if so, there has been a new, single purpose editor cutting a swathe through the article with editing comments such as "actual details incorrect and members incorrect . Incorrect place band formed , incorrect details how gee street was started incorrect description of band members".

I have not the time to investigate all those 'incorrect' amendments, but I did look long enough at Martin Strong's publication to note that he states the band formed in Clapham, not Brixton. Needless to say the editor does not supply any reference(s) to back up his claims. If you have the time and inclination, of course. Thanks - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:42, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi Derek. I'll try and take a look. I see that Strong's The Great Rock Discography is available on line, but with no preview. But I see his 1996 The Wee Rock Discography also says Clapham. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I should, perhaps, have made it clearer that I possess my own print copy of Strong's tome. So if you need to check anything there, I would be able to help. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:54, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Ah yes, I thought you might. By all means add a comment, if you want, to the Talk page thread, just to confirm it also says Clapham on page 935 of Strong (2000)? (I mean, this might be a POV thing, as Brixton and Clapham are right next to each other anyway? - it might have been at the Hope and Anchor, or anywhere on Acre Lane! Maybe Threesie has some ideas on that....?) But I think we can agree it wasn't in Nottingham. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:18, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Nick seems to be a generally helpful editor, so maybe we can resolve some of his issues with the article. I suspect we may be short of WP:RS sources, that he will find frustrating. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:20, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Quite probably. This is not the first time that I have had/witnessed correspondence with 'pop' musicians, but given the world of hype that they live in, they do seem to struggle with the notion of editing guidelines. Many thanks for your efforts so far. I have dug out Colin Larkin's The Virgin Encyclopedia of Popular Music - Concise Edition, pp. 1135/6, 1997 - ISBN 1-85227-745-9, which may prove useful moving forward, although I am loathe to make editing changes until and when Nick returns. The 'Concise Edition' is a misnomer - it weighs in excess of 6lb (don't know how much, as my wife's kitchen scales only go up that far) and makes my Collins English Dictionary look positively slimline. Regards, - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:58, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

That sounds like a true heavyweight of a source. I wouldn't wait any longer than you want to. Nick has made it clear that he understands how editors work here. And, in any case, he said a month, but these rockstars have a habit of jetting off all over the shop, don't they. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:06, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, they are rather prone to - although Nick is 63 now, surely a bit late to be "'aving it large" ?! Anyhow, just for an update, I have edited Stereo MC's as far as I intend to at this juncture. Also I have effected some changes at the associated articles for Gee Street Records, Cath Coffey (sister of Costa), and Brit Awards 1994. Do we now wait and see ? - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:02, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. I guess we can just wait, yes. Not Denise, then? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:14, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

737 MAX Editorializing

Wrong venue
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Please examine the up-to-date information I have referenced in the talk page for the 737 MAX. It is factually incorrect in 2024 to imply that the Ethiopian and Indonesian crashes were purely caused by MCAS. Leaving out information that was discovered in the crash investigations and court cases does a disservice to readers. 2603:6080:5A07:C24C:2826:EC6A:8140:2117 (talk) 14:56, 19 February 2024 (UTC) You are edit warring, so I've added a warning to your talk page. If you persist, you are likely to be blocked. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:58, 19 February 2024 (UTC) I really, really hope you see that it is wrong to block someone for simply trying to correct factually incorrect information. Please examine the information I have included in the talk page. 2603:6080:5A07:C24C:2826:EC6A:8140:2117 (talk) 14:59, 19 February 2024 (UTC) You have been invited to discuss your edits at Talk:Boeing 737 MAX. If you simply refuse, and continue to edit war, you'll be blocked. Possibly indefinitely. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:02, 19 February 2024 (UTC) I started the "Major Updates Needed" topic on the talk page 7 days ago. The information is there for you and other users to reference. It is publicly available information from official, reliable sources. The sentence that you have continued to revert, "In 2019, the Boeing 737 MAX was grounded worldwide after a flight control system caused two new aircraft to crash..." is factually incorrect and my change to "In 2019, the Boeing 737 MAX was grounded worldwide after crashes..." simply removes the factually incorrect information. That requires no new source; the source referenced for that information is incorrect. Please, please help correct the 737 MAX article to remove all instances of editorialization. 2603:6080:5A07:C24C:2826:EC6A:8140:2117 (talk) 15:10, 19 February 2024 (UTC) No, it's not factually incorrect, it's just a summary. If there had been no MCAS, these two crashes would not have happened and 346 people would not have died. You're meant to wait for consensus at the Talk page BEFORE you repeatedly restore your preferred wording in an article. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:18, 19 February 2024 (UTC) Please, please examine the information I've referenced. I understand that many people feel very strongly about these particular crashes, but that should not override plain facts. Both sets of pilots did not follow established standard procedures for a stabilizer trim runaway, this is fact. Investigations from the NTSB confirm that the pilots could have safely flown the planes, regardless of MCAS, if they had followed these procedures. 2603:6080:5A07:C24C:2826:EC6A:8140:2117 (talk) 15:32, 19 February 2024 (UTC) Do you understand that the appropriate venue for discussion is Talk:Boeing 737 MAX, not here? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:34, 19 February 2024 (UTC) I see you've now been blocked from Boeing 737 MAX. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:35, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Heidegger edits

Hi @Martinevans123!

You recently restored chunks of a previous version of Martin Heidegger with the edit description "unexplained removal of sourced content". If you look back through the edit history, however, I think you will find that these are mostly my edits, and that I provided fairly detailed descriptions of non-trivial changes that I made as I proceeded piecemeal through the article (which is how I prefer to edit—in the interest of transparency and so that other editors can revert more selectively where they might disagree). At the same time, I was also active on the talk page with respect to any more general issues that other editors might wish to raise. It's always possible I made some bad calls, but I didn't just delete blocks of content without justification.

In view of this, would you kindly consider self-reverting? And to make your desired changes in a manner that is likewise easier to track? I don't have any strong vision for the article, and I think you'll find me a fairly easy-going collaborator if you intend to do more work on it (and it definitely does still need work—esp. post-BT!) I just find it hard to track what's being changed when so many changes are being made together in a single edit.

Cheers, Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 00:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi @PatrickJWelsh, you mean this edit I made yesterday? Whoever that brand new anon IP was, they could have offered at least two edit summaries? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:03, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Mea culpa! I am even worse than I thought at interpreting diffs. I got to this through my watchlist and did not do my due diligence. You were reverting what I thought you were reinstating. That was the right call. I've reverted your self-revert with an edit description explaining that this was a misunderstanding, not a disagreement—and also inviting the IP editor to swing by the talk page if there are reasons to prefer the earlier version.

Thanks for being so gracious about this!

Cheers, Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 15:33, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

I must admit I was a bit bewildered. No worries. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC) "I wanted a woman, never bargained for you"!

Lyndsay Hoyle (Speaker) lead

Hi, can you please explain why you removed important citation confirming 59 MPs have signed no confidence EDM in the lead? Please consider reinstating urgently. Thanks "The lead must conform to verifiability, biographies of living persons, and other policies. The verifiability policy states that all quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports it." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lindsay-hoyle-commons-gaza-ceasefire-vote-latest-b2500595.html Jaymailsays (talk) 14:38, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

As per my edit summary, it was in line with WP:LEADCITE. As this is a plain fact, I'm not sure it's controversial or contentious. The material is fully supported, with the same source, in the main body of the article. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:44, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Who is likely to challenge a fact like that? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:45, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Well, I was just about to challenge his date of birth but stopped when I saw that it had a handy cite in the lead!?! KJP1 (talk) 15:38, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Errrrm. Well the source I removed still says "60 MPs sign no-confidence motion". So not the best source for this. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:46, 22 February 2024 (UTC) p.s. it's now 65, which is still only 10% of MPs. And there's no criterion level or agreed procedure for this. Someone would have to place another EDM asking for a vote of no confidence. Hoyle has already apologised to the house twice and he seems to have acted out of a very sincere fear that MPs are in danger of reprisals if they don't get an opportunity to have their say. A re-run of the debate is still a possibility

Sure - I wasn’t questioning the removal, just why somebody felt his DOB with a matter of sufficient controversy to warrant a cite in the lead. As to the shameful goings-on at Westminster, I think it’s pretty wounding for Hoyle. When was the last time a Speaker was faced with a No Confidence motion supported by 60+ MPs? Bercow? I don’t think even he faced that, and he was a hell of a lot less popular than Hoyle. KJP1 (talk) 18:56, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

I think a lot of editors add the source for date of birth to the opening line of the article to save putting it in the infobox. I tend to try and put it next to an entry in "Early life". Not sure what Wiki policy says about this. Yes, compared to Bercow, Hoyle is much more respected on both sides of the house. Ben Wallace tweeted: "I have served under three speakers. Lindsay Hoyle is head and shoulders above the rest. He is fair, kind and a protector of back benchers. He is not a bully nor a grandstander nor pompous. He has my full support." Martinevans123 (talk) 19:02, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

The date of birth should be cited in the body, then lead and infobox need no cite. Generally: The lead should only cite quotations and facts that only appear in the lead. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 1 March 2024 (UTC)