Matan ibn Uthman

Battle of Shimbra Kure

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I added the total number of cavalry which was mentioned by Shihab ad din in page 74 which mentions the ethiopian cavalry at 16,000 and infantry at 200,000. I also added Commanders mentioned in page 85. Matan ibn Uthman (talk) 13:53, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Thats not the only thing you're doing. Why are you removing content on the article and using primary sources excessively for content? I think we've had this discussion with (possibly your other name) on the Adal Sultanate talk page, there cant be multiple editors misinterpreting the same primary sources. Are you Anthony Walcott? [1]. Magherbin (talk) 14:00, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

No Matan ibn Uthman (talk) 15:33, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Why are you removing cited content? Also you misinterpret the primary sources and spam the article with primary sources. My suggestion write an academic journal from a reputable publisher then we can have your interpretation in the article about primary sources. Otherwise you need secondary sources for the claims you've made. Magherbin (talk) 09:14, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

How did I misinterpret it. The Futuh is clear that it was 200,000 infantry and 16,000 cavalry not 200,000 total. Matan ibn Uthman (talk) 17:47, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

The edits you've made are not solely figures of the battle, explain this removal of content [2]. Magherbin (talk) 16:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

No mention of Arab support in the Futuh Matan ibn Uthman (talk) 14:46, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Are you sure? I suggest searching keyword "Arabs" in the Futuh there's plenty of instances mentioning Arab involvement for example "Five-thousand Muslims from the tribes of the Somalis, Harla, Malasai and desert Arabs were killed" take a look at the document yourself [3]. Why also remove the instance of Somalis mostly fleeing the battle or the Harari involvement? Magherbin (talk) 15:04, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

That’s not enough to suggest a strong presence of Arabs and definitely not enough to say they were solely responsible of The victory. The Malassay being all Harare is also disputed

As for the Muskets during the battle with Ras Baniyat after Shimbira Kure the Muslims possessed on Musket

“The Muslims had just one musket that U t m a n used to fire. He stood up, lighted it, and fired it at the leader ofthe foot-soldiers and killed him. Thereupon the Muslims called out with one voice, 'God is the Greatest'. The trees, the stones, the mountains and the earth answered them, and they charged as one man.” Page 98, Futuh Al Habesha. Matan ibn Uthman (talk) 18:09, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Provide secondary sources for your interpretation of what happened at the battle and for the claims you've made such as Malssay werent Harari at the Shimbra Kure. We have multiple secondary sources that state Malassay were Harari hence it shouldnt be removed. If you have an interpretation where a historian says what you have stated then I dont have a problem with including it but it seems you're basing this solely off primary sources. Otherwise we dont remove citations from qualified historians. Magherbin (talk) 00:46, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Mohammed Hassen states the Malasay were Afar and that the bulk of the Adalite military was Somali and Afar.

Source:https://eajsh.haramayajournals.org/index.php/eajsh/article/view/475

The reason I deleted those quotes were specifically because Arab Cuiracassers which were not mentioned by Prof. Aregay in his work. Matan ibn Uthman (talk) 03:25, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Also I didn’t use primary sources to delete content. Do you need secondary sources to add content. Btw I’m not giving an interpretation I’m literally quoting from the source. Matan ibn Uthman (talk) 03:28, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Also why did you delete my addition about Prof. Aregay contesting the use of firearms during shimbra Kure. I used a secondary source, I didn’t delete the Pankhurst citation, and I cited it. It seems to me that you’re using your powers to unjustly force ur version of history. Matan ibn Uthman (talk) 03:32, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Countless people have already adressed this to you, but again, I think you should still look at this;

https://www.jstor.org/stable/40732663

author; Manfred Kropp

[05:11] Yubudirsi (talk) 04:13, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

December 2023

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Who gave you the right to do that, You’re the one forcing you’re ethio nationalist agenda Matan ibn Uthman (talk) 18:57, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

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Matan ibn Uthman, as described in the above warnings, when your edits are challenged you are expected to discuss and work towards a consensus. If you are unable to come to an agreement the editor who objected, there are dispute resolution processes to invite additional editors to the discussion to reach consensus, in particular WP:3O, WP:DRN and WP:RFC. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:50, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by inserting commentary or your personal analysis into an article, as you did at Battle of Antukyah. That Tired Tarantula (talk) 18:19, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

What? Matan ibn Uthman (talk) 18:19, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

The addition of the word "decisive" to that article seemed unnecessary and did not look neutral, and considering how you have already been warned - and blocked once - for other disruptive edits this month, this warning is in place. That Tired Tarantula (talk) 18:37, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

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Sorry, my bad Matan ibn Uthman (talk) 03:40, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

January 2024

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My bad I meant to add Killed in action Matan ibn Uthman (talk) 23:00, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

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@Matan ibn Uthman Can you not? You are literally deleting official stats from the Ministry of Defense. Secondly that source doesn't even say what you just said. you put 20,000 killed when the source says 20,000 killed and wounded. Socialwave597 (talk) 00:41, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

February 2024

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A sent a source stop vandalizing Matan ibn Uthman (talk) 13:19, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

@Matan ibn Uthman I'm not sure how well your reading comprehension is, but once again, the source is referring to the entire strength of the WSLF of the time, which correlates with Tareke's source[5] (which you deleted) "The Western Somalia Liberation Front (WSLF) and the Somali Abo Liberation Front (SALF) had the lion's share with about 18,000 men; two-thirds of these belonged to the older WSLF whose history antedates the revolution." There is also a source from Ayele which also mentions that their army was around 60K fighters. Now, either you can stop violating the WP:NPOV, or (seeing how you already have multiple warnings), I can get an administrator involved in this dispute. Your choice. Socialwave597 (talk) 23:34, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

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Ok I provided sources Matan ibn Uthman (talk) 23:26, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at List of wars involving Somalia, you may be blocked from editing. Stop removing reliably sourced content and inserting your unsourced views. Zinnober9 (talk) 01:42, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I’m not vandalizing those have no source we can get a mod involved if you want Matan ibn Uthman (talk) 02:08, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Johnny Somali, you may be blocked from editing. Prove it. Source it with WP:RS or it will be removed. Zinnober9 (talk) 01:42, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

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I already made a post to the talk page stop deleting my edits and discuss them at post Matan ibn Uthman (talk) 02:09, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on others again, as you did at Talk:Zeila (historical region), you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. See [6] Bbb23 (talk) 13:41, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

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You are definitely crossing the line. Stop bringing back your preferred version. Do no revert until we are finished on the talk page. Socialwave597 (talk) 17:49, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

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Why was I blockedMatan ibn Uthman (talk) 21:08, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

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