Matthijs Bouma

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Sincerely, Akjar13 (He's Gone Mental) 15:02, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! A412 (talk) 22:55, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 05:59, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Conqueror article - and what makes any article acceptable, or not

Dear Sir,

I'm not quite sure what else is missing. I believe I have given you a well-documented, well-resourced piece of work, but you are the third to reject it, and the second based on "significance". If I were less sceptical, I'd think I were the only person in the world who'd ever heard of Conqueror paper.

I link to numerous outside sources, I use reliable, third-party opinions, and I give a short but clear review of the history. What else is missing? Or is Wiki on a mission to discourage writers? There are reams of info on "how to write", and I believe I follow the guidelines. Please tell me what more can be done?

Yours sincerely, Matthijs Bouma (talk) 06:21, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Matthijs, you wrote a clear and concise account of Conqueror, but the way Wikipedia works is that it demands proof with "reliable, independent" sources that what everybody writes is notable. Such sources have to be not you or me (that's our personal opinion or "Original Research"; not Wikipedia itself - that's circular and can't be relied upon; not blogs and suchlike that anyone can edit - those are generally unreliable; and not the subject of the article (in this case Wiggins Teape etc) who may be reliable but are not independent. So you see, it is very possible to write good, truthful things that are not acceptable as encyclopedia articles.

I have spent a bit of time hunting down sources among independent businesses and artists that I hope have not been influenced by the manufacturer and so can be relied upon. You get the picture? Many people are surprised that this is how Wikipedia works, but if you think about it, how else could it be done? If you are going to allow everybody to edit, then you have to provide evidence, don't you?

With my best wishes Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:45, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

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Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:22, 15 January 2012 (UTC)