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List of best-selling music artists in the United States

Hi. :) I appreciate your taking the time to update this list, but unfortunately your updates are not consistent with the source. This is a list of sales as certified by the RIAA; these figures are not necessarily going to be the same as those you may find in other articles that draw from other sources or are derived in other ways. For example, the Beatles may list as "207.1" in List of best-selling music artists, but the RIAA certified figure is 177 ([1]). --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:10, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Best Selling Singles Worldwide

Hi, I noticed you cited Yahoo!'s "Chart Watch" article in reference to "Rolling in the Deep" on the list of best-selling singles worldwide. I notice that the article also lists "Moves Like Jagger" as selling only 4.1 million copies, less than half of what the Wiki states. If said article is to be believed, shouldn't Moves Like Jagger be removed? I am skeptical that this "Golden Book of Discs", which was used to cite MLJ, would have included that song but not the others. My suspicion is that a vandal just added MLJ with a made up figure and cited the Golden Book of Discs.

Then again, the Chart Watch article doesn't seem to cite any sources.

Your thoughts?

SamZR (talk) 07:36, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

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I see. Sorry for the edit, then. I did not notice there were no references in the lead, and in addition I did not know that was part of the policy concerning GA. Mauri96 22:38, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

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You tagged this article for splitting and have concensus. Do you intend to carry out the split?Op47 (talk) 01:13, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

By all means, I do intend to carry it out. However, I do not think my capabilities as an editor are well-developed enough to carry out the split seamlessly and successfully by myself. I suggest you contact Jimknut as he was the one who originally proposed the split. Mauri96 (talk) 22:24, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Your recent edit to List of best-selling singles.

Well, I guess it's good you are open to be poked and yelled at. You made a recent edit to List of best-selling singles. You must not have looked at the article afterwords because you caused an error which showed up red. This was because you removed the citation for Guiness book of records. I fixed the article. Be sure to check your work more carefully in the future. GroveGuy (talk) 23:07, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I was in a hurry and I was furious with the person who added "Danza Kuduro" as having sold 25 million when the sources he or she aded did not mention the song at all. I will try to be more careful in the future and once again, sorry. Mauri96 (talk) 05:18, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

List of best selling albums edits

Hello,how are you doing?

The album Hysteria by Def Leppard is placed twice on the list.Some person edited the page yesterday and left only one copy there as it should and you undid his revision and now Hysteria is placed twice again.

And please edit the Britney fanboy (on his page there's a picture of Britney under which it says the greatest artist of all time which really ought to show how much objectivity he care for) who placed that ridiculous number...Baby One More Time has certainly not sold 60 million copies...not even half of that.

Thanks and take care. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.205.113.55 (talk) 00:51, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

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List of Earthquakes article

Hi Mauri96, I've finally replied to your comment on Talk:Lists of earthquakes - I've been on holiday or I would have got to it earlier. Mikenorton (talk) 22:48, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

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I really don't see what the problem is. I added a sourced sentence concerning the album's sales, which according to the source, stand at 6 million. The source itself is reliable.

According to the author, Nicholas Pegg, writing the book was "a long, painstaking process, because right from the outset I was determined to ensure that the book was as factually accurate as I could possibly make it." In addition, he said that "In the pursuit of accuracy I undertook a vast amount of comparative research in books, libraries, press archives and on the internet."

I fail to understand what is wrong with my edit. Please explain further. Mauri96 (talk) 17:15, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

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Marc Anthony discography

The new rules at WP:DISCOGSTYLE is use the abbreviation of the certification rather than country. See Jennifer Lopez discography for example. Erick (talk) 01:08, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

My bad, I thought the opposite was true. XD I'm sorry. Mauri96 (talk) 01:14, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

It's cool. BTW, do you like Latin music? If so, I'd like to invite you to the Latin American music task force. Erick (talk) 02:54, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Take a look at my user page. I'm from there. So yes, I do. :D Mauri96 (talk) 03:22, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

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Best selling album request

Hello Mauri96! I wondering if you could do a best-selling albums for Latin/Spanish-language music. I created an article for the best-selling Latin albums in the US using only the Latin certifiations and I was wondering if you might interested in making an all-time best selling Latin albums article. In regards, Erick (talk) 19:58, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

It sounds interesting, but to be fair, shouldn't we include albums that haven't been successful in the United States at all?

A good place to start is the list of diamond-certified albums in Argentina, all of which have sold/shipped over 500,000 copies and include such high-selling albums like Emociones, Romances, and Segundo Romance --Mauri96 (talk) 01:24, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Of course, the list is meant to be the best-selling Latin albums worldwide and will most likely include albums from popular Latin artists acts such as Julio Iglesias, Luis Miguel, Enrique Iglesias, and Shakira. I believe Supernatural by Santana is best-selling Latin album of all time. I'm thinking of using only the million marks for the article. I know, for example, that Romance by Luis Miguel has sold at least 8 million copies worldwide. Erick (talk) 01:28, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

List of best-selling singles worldwide

Hi, how did you get 9 million for Madonna's "Hung Up". According to Yahoo! Music, it didn't sell 9 million. Check the list. :) — Mcdonalds (talk · cont), at 12:19, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Reliable Source for "List of bestselling albums" article

Hello. I have found this online source:

[4] . 41.132.116.62 (talk) 09:07, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello. I take it you are very busy, but this is a WP:RS stating that Iron Butterfly's album In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida has sold more than 30 million copies. I wanted to edit the List of best-selling albums article to that effect, but it is permanently locked down. 41.132.116.62 (talk) 11:29, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

 Done— Yeah, locked articles can irritating.--Mauri96 (talk) 00:16, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

5to Piso

Hey! I'd like to thank you for your work on the Certs table on 5to Piso! =) --Hahc21 ^{[TALK][CONTRIBS]} 18:36, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome.

Like I said in my edit summary, I'm not particularly a big fan of Ricardo Arjona, I just sprang at the opportunity to add "minor" Latin American certifications. Most of my “work” here concerns certifications anyway, so it's just another day’s work.--Mauri96 (talk) 00:01, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Summing shipments and sales

Hi Mauri96. I thought I'll leave you a note explaining my revert. I presume you got the number by summing the numbers in the table. This is very non-standard and for a good reason. Some of these numbers are shipments, some are sales. One cannot sum them as they mean different things. It's like saying "I have three chairs and two pencils, so I have five chairs and pencils". The only use we do with summing numbers, is when we have a source for a number in a "top X list", say "Michael Jackson sold 100 million records", and we want to see if this is closely possible, so we check what the certified numbers are. Best regards. --Muhandes (talk) 07:42, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

No problem. I only placed that line there to give a sum of the sales and shipments that the song has for those too lazy to add.--Mauri96 (talk) 14:13, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Featured list

Hey! What about if we nominate List of best-selling singles worldwide for Featured List status? I can handle the formatting of all references, and together we'll fix anything faster. What do you think? --—Hahc21 ^{[TALK][CONTRIBS]} 05:33, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm not really sure; there are instances where we don't follow Wikipedia policy at all:

First, the mere act of compiling such a list (that is of widespread interest and that dozens, some more reputable than others have attempted) from over 50 different sources instead of relying on one or a few comprehensive, extremely reliable sources like with the List of countries by population or the List of natural disasters by death toll isn't recommended by Wikipedia.

Second, we are not constant in our choice of references. The yearly IFPI reports were once used to their fullest potential given that we listed all the singles that appeared in them that had sold more than 5 million. However, once we realized that those IFPI reports only track sales for 12-month period, some singles like "I Kissed a Girl," "Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)," and now "Poker Face" had their actual, up-to-the-month sales painstakingly compiled.

This gave the list a double standard, especially considering that some singles, like "Just the Way You Are" and "Tik Tok," both of which have reportedly sold over 12 million in their first year alone, have only been certified 5× Platinum in the U.S. I am also afraid of being accused of something similar to what happened to User:WhatamIdoing here:

WhatamIdoing is still evading her responsiblity to account for the unreliable and contradictory nature of her choice of references, and yet is trying to give other groups the impression that her standards are good enough to give these instructions on 21-1-2012

It's no exaggeration to say that my work on music sales here on Wikipedia is polished and of high quality, which has led some people to ask me for help or ask my opinion on some matters, which has placed me in a sort of position of authority that, given my possible unreliable and contradictory nature of [my] choice of references and bias towards older music, I don't really deserve.

All in all, personally speaking I think that the List of best-selling singles worldwide is one da*n good list, but since it doesn't follow the rules of where it is "published", I think it is best to not nominate it because that would put it under scrutiny of editors who do stick to the rules. This might force us to change (not necessarily for the better) our policies and criteria, which would lead to loss of content of reliability. (What's the use of always using IFPI reports if they don't include sales after November of each year. What those reports actually do is give us a list of the best-selling singles of each November-November calendar year.)--Mauri96 (talk) 00:11, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

You're right. I've been thinking about it from the same moment i asked and it's right. I recently nominated a list i created and it was a painful process. Sometimes lists are better as they are for the 'pedia, without the need of a bronze star on the right corner. Thanks either. —Hahc21 ^{[TALK][CONTRIBS]} 00:21, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

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List of best-selling singles in the United States

Hi! I've been thinking a lot about this article recently. What do you think about something like this? · Mcdonalds (talk · cont), at 06:28, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

I think it's a great idea, certifications for physical sales are for shipments, which only give a general idea of sales. However, I'm concerned about what we're going to do with singles like "Hound Dog" or "Candle in the Wind", where the certifications are lower and higher, respectively, than the actual sales.

If we're going to include ringtones, I'd like to bring "Low"'s frankly astonishing certifications to your attention. Not only does the song have a 3x Platinum certification for ringtone sales like "Irreplaceable", it has a a 6x Platinum award for digital downloads, bringing the total to 9 million.

I'd also recommend splitting the tables per sales plateau (4 million section, 6 million section, etc.) to make editing easier, especially considering how many songs are in the 4 and 5 million sections..--Mαuri^’96 “...over the Borderline” 07:52, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

"Candle in the Wind 1997" case is now fixed. We're going to have to wait for "Hound Dog" sales.

Well, it's "best-selling singles" and not "best-selling paid downloads singles". Ringtones singles sales are also singles sales. Even RIAA describes them as single so they have to be included. And they have same certifications thresholds. In this case, yes, "Low" total is 9 million.

Yes, this will be done. · Mcdonalds (talk · cont), at 13:46, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

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Yes, it is me. Sorry.--Mαuri^’96 “...over the Borderline” 16:36, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

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I've really never put put much thought into the topic except when I discovered that Carpenters were not "The Carpenters" but the "Carpenters".--Mαuri^’96 “...over the Borderline” 20:59, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Hey, just feel free to...

...edit User:Mcdonalds/sandbox/List of best-selling singles in the US. ;] · Mcdonalds (talk · cont), at 14:13, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry for not asking for your permission or notifying you that I would be editing your sandbox..--Mαuri^’96 “...over the Borderline” 15:28, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

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Please explain why on April 21st you removed this without providing an explanation or legitimate reason for doing so? Clearly vandalism caused the overall cost of the video in 2000 to skyrocket from the $750,000 I had put on January 5, 2010 to a false $950,000 by this vandalous edit 6 months later on July 7, 2010 and also (quite stupidly) to $1500,000 in this edit on April 20th. However, that does not excuse why anyone should remove it as the director Nigel Dick confirmed it as being $750,000 in March 2000 and in today's money that is precisely $1,005,306.66. That is clearly more than the cost of the both Mylène Farmer's videos.--Carmaker1 (talk) 05:11, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I must have removed it because the source given did not mention the video's cost anywhere in the text. I assumed that the video was simply the music video for the song and didn't realize that the interviewee mentioned the cost around 2:50.

Sorry. I'll add it back in with the MTV source.--Mαuri^’96 “...over the Borderline” 01:38, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

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best selling album

i noticed in your new section that you count certfied sales in "units". if im not mistaken Michael Jackson ,,History Past Present and Future album has sold 40 million "units" ( double album) as per wikipedia article on album,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so why is it in the 20 million section??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.8.188.19 (talk) 01:14, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Good point. I mostly copied the code from the List of best-selling music artists and forgot to change some things. I intend to avoid apparently doubling the sales of double albums at all costs. It can lead to unwanted exaggeration of sales, as can be seen in the outdated Tsort list.

Just because an album has two discs doesn't mean it should be counted as two albums.

I'll fix the word choice on the List of best-selling albums immediately.--Mαuri^’96 “...over the Borderline” 01:28, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

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hi I know your working on the BEST SELLING ALBUMS,,,i wonder if you can help

^ a b c Day, Elizabeth (March 16, 2008). "The whole world in his hands". London: The Guardian. http://music.guardian.co.uk/pop/story/0,,2265010,00.html#article_continue. Retrieved April 21, 2008..............is a link which indicates that the total amount of History past present future, by Michael Jackson (sold in u.k.) would exceed the threshold necessary to be on the list, let me know,,,,--65.8.191.220 (talk) 22:58, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

hi i left you a new link for uk sales for best selling albums,,,,,,,,,,,,,michael jackson History past present and future

this would take it beyond the 11.5 million it would need to be on the list,,,,,,thank you so much,,,,,--65.8.191.18 (talk) 16:48, 2 November 2012 (UTC) ^ a b c Day, Elizabeth (March 16, 2008). "The whole world in his hands". London: The Guardian. http://music.guardian.co.uk/pop/story/0,,2265010,00.html#article_continue. Retrieved April 21, 2008 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.8.191.18 (talk) 16:49, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Not done: Sorry for no replying earlier, I've been busy with the IB Diploma.

What we need is 11.5 million in certifications, not actual sales. Rest assured that both a FanofMusic estimate and [u k m i x .org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=63110 a UKMIX estimate] suggest sales at or very near 20 million.--Mαuri^’96 “...over the Borderline” 02:33, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Romances certifications

Where are you getting the sales/shipments certifications for Latin American countries from for Romances? I know the current sales/shipments are listed on List of music recording certifications, but how can you be sure they were also the certification criteria in 1997/1998? Erick (talk) 23:21, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I used the certification requirements from 2005 published in the 2005 RIAJ report. For Colombia, I used this page.--Mαuri^’96 “...over the Borderline” 02:25, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay, but how do we know the criteria for gold and platinum discs were not higher before 2005? The second source is a blog site so I cannot call it reliable. Erick (talk) 03:01, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

I suggest you ask Harout72, he is often better informed has sources that are more reliable.--Mαuri^’96 “...over the Borderline” 21:25, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

thanks for the help on history ,,,,,,,,,michael jackson

i submitted it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.8.190.195 (talk) 12:11, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

mauri ,,,,,,,,,,,,i submitted the link however it was denied,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,mj history past present and future

any ideas--65.8.191.61 (talk) 20:03, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

I personally don't support adding the album back to the list, mainly because its sales in the United States are so low. Sorry.--Mαuri^’96 “...over the Borderline” 21:25, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Ventas

Hola, Mauri. Casi no hemos coincidido, me parece que en la Wikipedia en español hasta discutí una vez contigo, si crees que lo hice, me abstengo y te pido perdón. Venía ha comentarte algo; aquí en este Wikipedia el artículo de Paulina Rubio sufre de bastantes bulos/vandalismo sobre sus ventas. Si lo mucho, Rubio ha vendido unos 20 millones en el mundo con sus producciones musicales (y es la mayoría de las fuentes que indican esto; tanto en inglés como español), pero hay IPs y hasta usuarios que colocan: 30, 35 o 40 millones. En efecto, esto es algo serio porque Wikipedia puede ser usada como fuente primaria, de hecho, ya ha sido usada como fuente primaria. Rubio ni siquiera ha certificado en países imperativos para un artista latino, Argentina o inclusive, Brasil por darte un ejemplo (así que es difícil que lo haga en otros países de no habla hispana, ¿no crees?). Soy conocedor de la carrera de Rubio así como de varios artistas latinos, y me parace que ya con los 20 millones está inflada sus ventas, pero está bien; ya con los 30, 35 o 40 millones nada que ver. Yo dejo de editar por varios días en Wikipedia (hablo de aquí, en la de español o cualquier otra) y es seguro que en esos días, las ventas-vandalas vuelven aparecer, como este día en que acabo de reanudar mi trabajo por estos lares. ¿Me podrías hechar una mano?. Te agradecería infinitamente, colega. Gracias ante cualquier respuesta. Que estés bien ;). Chrishonduras (talk) 19:54, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

hi as per the reference on the page of....... best selling album of mj history past present future

the reference indicates the necessary sales, if you feel otherwise please leave a message on my page--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 13:29, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

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About that change in sales on Thriller,,,best selling albums

werent there referenced sources that have always supported the 110 million claim, im just curious/,,,,,,,,thanks--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:34, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

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chart sources

tsort.info and the Euro200 are not acceptable charts. Both are listed at WP:BADCHARTS. Also, I have no idea what you are trying to accomplish when you say "refname='{{cite web..." inside a singlechart call. Singlechart creates the reference, and the name is an identifying string, not the text of the reference.—Kww(talk) 16:30, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Ok then. I was not aware of that. I will remove them as soon as I can.--Mαuri^’96 “...over the Borderline” 16:37, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

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hi,,,,can you help

I noticed your in the best selling album page,,,,,,,,Michael Jackson history past present and future was taken out,,, I put up a cite for 20 mil.,,,for someone to edit but no one has done anything, ,,,can you help,,,,,thanks--65.8.190.47 (talk) 13:17, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

by the way,,,,if you need more citation I can get more,,,thank you again,,