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I have "userfied" the article for you - undeleted it and moved it into a sub-page in your user space at User:Bkouhi/Choqok where you can work on it. Read WP:Your first article and WP:Writing better articles for advice. There is a German version at de:Choqok which may be helpful. The most useful references are ones that actually discuss it, rather than just listing it and repeating its features. Let me know when you think it is ready, and I will have a look, as the administrator who closed the deletion discussion at WP:Articles for deletion/ChoqoK. If I am not convinced, you could ask at WP:Deletion review. I don't know why someone moved the old article to "ChoqoK" with a capital K: both the "Official home page" and the author's blog listed in the article have a small k. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:58, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Uploding

Hi, can I upload this and this on another wikipedia under the terms of fair use? Thanks. Bkouhi (talk) 17:21, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Bkouhi, welcome to Wikipedia! Each language of Wikipedia has different rules for fair use. I would really suggest asking at the Wikipedia that you want to move the pictures to. Howicus (talk) 17:34, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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	Hi dear Bkouhi Thanks for your contribution in a large number of pages about FREE AND OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE in different wikipedia language. Have a nice year! ;-) ویرایشگر-1 (talk) 10:06, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi! Thank you so much for the kind words and for the barnstar :) I also appreciate your contributions on Persian language Wikipedia and wish you the bests :D -- Bkouhi (talk) 14:15, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

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دعوت به مدیریت

سلام. احتمالن بحث پیرامون مدیران جدید را در قهوه‌خانه‌دیده‌ای. اینقدر در این چندروزه شما را پینگ کرده‌اند، که در تمام عمرم من را اینقدر نکرده‌اند!!! بنده می‌خواهم شما و کاربر آرش وکیلیان را برای مدیریت نامزد بکنم. لطفن مخالفت نکن. مسئولیت چندان خطیری نیست. امروزه مثل چندسال پیش نیست که مدیریت را خیلی سخت بگیریم. امیدوارم دوستان نیز سخت نگیرند. هدف، کمک بیشتر به دانشنامه و رفع موارد مطروحه در وپ:تام است که بنده توانایی ورود به این بحثها را ندارم ولی دیده‌ام که شما در بحثهای مهمی از این قبیل، همواره موفق بودید. زیاد هم از وقتتان را نمی‌خواهیم بگیریم. همین اندازه که به سهم خودتان چندتا از تقاضاهای وپ:تام را پاسخ بگویید، برای حداقل بازدهی، مناسب است. منتظر پاسخ مثبتتان هستم. لطفن به من ایمیل بزنید تا ایمیلتان هم برای زمان آینده داشته باشم.SaMin SAmIN (talk) 11:17, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

سلام گیر ۳پیچ جان، من که همین دو ماه پیش بود نظرخواهی داشتم، به نظرم یک نظرخواهی دیگر کمی زود خواهد بود و من از همین الان می‌بینم که کاربران به خودشون می‌گن «این همون یارو نیست که هفته پیش یه نظرخواهی داشت و بعدش ما کلی رأی دادیم، اما بعدش یهو زد زیر همه چیز؟» این را به این خاطر می‌گویم که از آن موقع تاکنون وضعیت و شرایط تغییر خاصی نکرده و هنوز همه چیز طبق روال سابق پیش میره، من هنوز روی حرفم در مورد کپی‌رایت محصولات ایرانی هستم و هنوز هم مدت چندانی نگذشته که من «به تجربم اضافه بشه» و آمادهٔ مدیریت بشم. به نظرم بهتره من از راه‌های دیگری به پروژه کمک کنم و این کارها را به کاربران بسیار لایق و شایسته‌ای چون شما، چالاک، سید، آرش عزیز و بقیه دوستان بسپاریم. ممنون از لطف‌تان. -- Bkouhi (talk) 14:31, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Copying text to another article

Hi Bkouhi. I just wanted to let you know that when copying or moving text from one article to another, please state this in the edit summary. For example, the text you removed from FreeBSD and added to History of FreeBSD should have included an edit summary for History of FreeBSD. This ensures that attribution for the text is properly provided. Thanks. Mindmatrix 13:29, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi, you are absolutely right, today I made a null edit to explain what I did in that edit, I will try to keep that in my mind. Thank you for the tip. -- Bkouhi (talk) 14:17, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

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Shahnama of Shah Tahmasp article

Looks great, it's an interesting topic! Just added a citation to the MMoA's article on it and a few more categories. I think it would be better to use CE dates according to the manual of style though. Blythwood (talk) 05:33, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Keep up the good work! You are doing great :). HistoryofIran (talk) 16:46, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much for kind words. I am very glad that my contributions are considered constructive. Please feel free to correct my edits if there is something wrong with them. -- Kouhi (talk) 21:51, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

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fake map (iran & afghanistan)

a pov user falsified the content of Turkmen Sahra (a pov and fake map) and Afghan Turkestan,looks like an agenda.89.165.69.47 (talk) 10:30, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi

Hi there - I have nominated Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi to be one of the 10,000 Vital Topics on Wikipedia here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Expanded#Scientists.2C_inventors_and_mathematicians The list currently contains names of 20+ mathematicians but not Khwarizmi! Please support if you find it justified. - Arman ^(Talk) 09:32, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

@Armanaziz: Hello. Thank you for informing me. I think it is already listed as a level-3 vital article in WP:VITAL, not? -- Kouhi (talk) 09:45, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. Strange why it is not appearing on the Level 4 "People" page! I have noted this on the nomination post now. Arman ^(Talk) 10:10, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Nizam al-Mulk

Hi bro, I am not contesting that Nizam al-Mulk is Persian and wrote in Farsi, although the person lived in Baghdad and wrote in Arabic too, etc. However, I changed the language to Ar instead of Fa since the name Nizam al-Mulk itself is Arabic. Cheers, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 18:33, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

@عمرو بن كلثوم: Hello and thank you for your comment. I agree, his title is Arabic and using Arabic as the language seems to be justified, but recently there has been an edit war over this, with several editors engaged, and on the other hand, there are also good reasons for the language to be Persian, so I think we better discuss it on the talk page (there is already an open discussion about this on the Nizam al-Mulk#the honorary title). Regards. -- Kouhi (talk) 19:19, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps a translation?

Hi Kouhi, how are you doing? I was wondering, could you perhaps make a brief translation of this article to the Farsi wiki -> Fazil Iskander. He died a few hours ago. He was one of the most famous Soviet/Russian writers, and probably the most well known Abkhaz writer to have ever lived. His father was Iranian, so I think having that article on the Farsi wiki as well, would be a really nice addition. :-) Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 05:41, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi, thank you very much for your comment. The article was already created in Persian Wikipedia, but its interwiki link was broken. I just fixed the interwiki link and added some more content to it. Here is the article. I'm mostly active in Persian Wikipedia, if I may be of any help, please let me know. -- Kouhi (talk) 07:33, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Kouhi, thanks alot man! Appreciate it. :-) Btw, I was wondering (I can't read/write Persian) whether you would be able to find some more paintings/drawings of some of the Safavid nobility/commanders/generals/elite/princes/princesses? The last few months alot of articles of the Safavid era have been expanded and many new ones have been created, but we're in quite a dire need of some more pictures depicting the the people in question. It kinda sucks, as alot of people are depicted on the tons of surviving Safavid paintings and figures, but many/most of them seemingly haven't been identified yet. I think more could be found if we'd search in Persian, but, unfortunately, once again, I can't do this myself. Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 02:47, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Hello. I tried to search about Safavid paintings and portraits, but unfortunately, there is little information about them in Persian language websites, but I keep searching. Is there any known website in which I can find some still-unrecognized portraits? I can ask Persian Wikipedia users (or other Persian websites) to see if the can recognize the portraits. -- Kouhi (talk) 05:53, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

No, I unfortunately have no clue about any of such sites. :/ Yeah, I agree, perhaps they (at the Persian wiki) could assist you more with finding the names/portraits fitting with the right person. Or in general by helping us to find alot of already identified Safavid paintings/drawings. Its easy to find dozens of portraits of the Safavid rulers themselves, but for the people directly below them (e.g. the viziers, governors, military commanders, generals, etc.), it unfortunately gets much harder. Thanks much in advance though man. - LouisAragon (talk) 23:07, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

An eye on this map

Salam Kouhi, would you mind keeping an eye on this map? Some disruptive user, by the means of edit-warring and making ad-hominem attacks, has tried on numerous occasions to revert the changes back to his unsourced revision. The matter is more thoroughly explained here by Ali Zifan. The map still requires some spelling fixes and minor tweaks (e.g. regarding the maximum extent of the ethnic Arab presence in the southern part adjacent to the Persian Gulf), but for the rest its a map based on verifiable facts and RS sources through our combined efforts. The maker of the map didn't bother about making a map that was actually sourced so it was definetely some alot work. Anyways, that's all. ;-) Thanks much in advance. Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 21:44, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi LouisAragon. I will keep my eye on that map wide open, thank you for informing me. -- Kouhi (talk) 18:51, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

SPI

Check this. --Wario-Man (talk) 08:19, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

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Hi Kouhi. It is weird that you wanted sources for Turkish translation of Seljuk dynasty and Seljuk Empire. There are "book titles" that carry those names, and it is really weird for you to remove them without searching any source or making any explaination. Anyway, as you requested, I added some reliable sources each article, so there should be no problem now. Have a nice day.--Rapsar (talk) 14:35, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

@Rapsar: Hello, thank you for the comment. Please note that, that parameter is "native language" and Modern Turkish with Latin alphabet wasn't their native language. And I'm sure the source you have cited does not claim "Saljuqs spoke modern Turkish and they wrote their name as Selçuklu İmparatorluğu". Their native language was Persian and Oghuz Turkish at best. So, one can add the Oghuz Turkish spelling in the infobox, but since that language is extinct and there is no surviving evidence of that language as used by Saljuqs, we first need a source for the spelling itself. So, technically, it can't be a "translation". Anyway, please don't engage yourself in an edit war. And for your information, we didn't include Modern Persian with Perso-Arabic alphabet to Parthian Empire, Sasanian Empire and others, because they didn't use Perso-Arabic alphabet. -- Kouhi (talk) 15:17, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Zoroastrian priest

Left image: The Sampul tapestry, a woolen wall hanging from Lop County, Xinjiang, China, showing a possibly Greek soldier from the Greco-Bactrian kingdom (250-125 BC), with blue eyes, wielding a spear, and wearing what appears to be a diadem headband; depicted above him is a centaur, from Greek mythology, a common motif in Hellenistic art
Right image: painted clay and alabaster head of a Zoroastrian priest wearing a distinctive Bactrian-style headdress, Takhti-Sangin, Tajikistan, 3rd-2nd century BC

I thought you'd might want to see this. I recently added it to the Sogdia article. It has to be the earliest piece of Zoroastrian-themed artwork I've ever seen, since it comes from the Greco-Bactrian Kingdom of the 3rd-2nd centuries BC. I've seen Zoroastrian-themed artwork from the Parthian Empire, but the dates for it are a bit later, after the 1st century BC. Obviously there is a ton of Zoroastrian art from the Sasanian Empire, but that's way later. Obviously the symbol of the Faravahar is all over Achaemenid artwork at places like Persepolis. However, there is no strong evidence that the Achaemenids were Zoroastrian, which was not officially embraced as a state religion until the Sassanid period. It seems as though the Achaemenids merely mixed Zoroastrian ideas with other Iranian religions and polytheistic cults of the time. Do you know of any Achaemenid or even Seleucid art pieces explicitly depicting a Zoroastrian priest, though? Pericles of Athens^Talk 21:04, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

By the way, your IranicaOnline article on archaeology proved really useful for the prehistory and Achaemenid sub-sections of the article on Sogdia! Cheers. Pericles of Athens^Talk 21:06, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

@PericlesofAthens: Thank you very much for your informative comment and for sharing these very interesting photos. The priest is of course one of the oldest surviving Zoroastrian artwork, and also one of the best surviving sculptures from a pre-Islamic Iranian person (look what happened to the statue of Khosrow II). Thank you very much for the Sogdia article, I'm very glad Iranica was useful in improving the article. I don't know any unfailing Achaemenid evidence regarding Zoroastrianism, but from Selucid era, there are some coins from kings of Persis (the region they ruled is almost equal to Fars Province in the south of today Iran) which depict a building with sacred fire above it. Persis kings were at first vassals of Selucids, but starting from Autophradates II, they became vassals of Parthian kings. Here is the coin of Oborzos (Vabharz) who revolted against Selucids. He was the second king of Persis. The coin is from early-mid 3rd century BC. Subsequent kings also used the same symbols on their coins, this coin which blong to Bagadat (Bayadad) has better shape and it is from early 3rd century BC. According to some scholars, the building in the middle is Ka'ba-ye Zartosht, which was so important in the Sasanian era that Shapur I etched his most important inscription on it. On the roof of the building, three braziers of sacred fire could be seen. According to some scholars, the flag on the right is Derafsh Kaviani, which according the legends, first used by Kave the Blacksmith in a revolt against Zahhak. There's a hint in Shahnameh of Ferdowsi which strengthen this theory: Ferdowsi described the flag as "The star of Kave" (akhtar-e kavian), and the flag on the coin also depicts a star. The man on the right is either the king, or a priest (although it seems that the kings of Persis were priests themselves). He raised his hands as a sign of respect to the sacred building and the sacred fire. It is interesting that on some coins, Faravahar is depicted above the sacred building, an example is the coin of Vadfradad (Autophradates) (large photo). More coins are available here, including this well preserved coin of Artaxerxes I, the first king of Persis who ruled from mid to late 3rd century BC.

Awesome! Those coins show quite a bit of detail on their reverse sides. It almost looks like those fire temples have big bronze doors or something in the front. The robed priests in those depictions seem to have headgear that is similar to the Zoroastrian priest head that I've shared here. Fascinating! Thanks for your rundown of Persian art history, as well. In regards to artistic depictions of pre-Islamic Iranian people, it seems the Parthians also have some good realistic statues of pre-Islamic Iranians, such as this guy: Statue, National Museum of Iran 2401. Before stupid ISIS bulldozed Hatra and blew up parts of Palmyra there were plenty of Parthian-era sculpted heads and statues there, although thankfully many of them had been moved to various museums around the world long beforehand. For some odd reason the contemporary Roman artists had the curious and annoying habit of depicting most Parthians as wearing Phrygian caps, which was a generic stereotype for any person from the Near East and had little bearing on the clothing and ancient styles of fashion in various parts of the Middle East beyond the control of the Roman Empire. Although the Northern Dynasties, Sui, and Tang era Chinese produced tons of images of Sogdians, they also had an annoying habit of portraying them in a very formulaic pattern, with the same hat over and over again. In either case, these coins from Persis and elsewhere during the Seleucid and Parthian periods are invaluable. Thanks for sharing! I'd add them to the article but there's no more room unfortunately. I did add a Sogdian coin from Bukhara (from the 8th century!!!) showing a fire temple, albeit not nearly as realistic as these earlier coins that you've shared. Pericles of Athens^Talk 11:42, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps more images of fire temples from ancient Seleucid and Parthian era coins can be added to the Wiki articles "Zoroastrianism", "Zoroaster", and "fire temple". Just a thought! Pericles of Athens^Talk 11:44, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the informative comment. Very good idea, I will try to find some free photos of the coins in order to add them to the articles. All the best. -- Kouhi (talk) 02:20, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Your opinion

Hi. [1] and [2]. And what about this source (used by him)? Even if that source is reliable, why he removes current sourced info in the lead section and adds a strange translation (شرق فارسی)?! Obviously, those changes look like pov-pushing and personal commentary. Maybe we need a related discussion on article talk page. --Wario-Man (talk) 18:14, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello. Eastern Persian is not a wrong term, but the source seems to be a weblog which is not suitable and also, I think it is better to not mention the term in the lead section, because it is not a widely-used and well-known term. -- Kouhi (talk) 02:26, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

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Seljuk Empire

Hello. You are doing very big mistake. Seljuk Empire isn't only Persian. Empires are Turks and society is Persian and Turkish. If you delete Turkish names; you will do Persian nationalizm and Turkish enmity. Nationalizm and enmity are forbidden in Wikipedia.--Murat Güneş Altuntaşoğlu (talk) 19:33, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

@Murat Güneş Altuntaşoğlu: Please see here. And no, it is neither nationalism, nor enmity toward Turkey. It is fulfilling Wikipedia's guidelines. Again, please don't engage yourself in an edit war, discuss the matter here or on the talk page, provide a reliable source to support the claim that their native language was Modern Turkish and they wrote in Latin alphabet, then if there were no objection by other users, you can add the Turkish spelling. -- Kouhi (talk) 19:48, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello. This list include references of Seljuks being Turkish:

• http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Seljuk_Turks
• https://global.britannica.com/topic/Seljuq
• http://www.themiddleages.net/people/seljuks.html
• http://quatr.us/islam/history/seljuks.htm
• http://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/society/turks-seljuk-empire.html
• http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781118455074.wbeoe339/abstract
• http://epicworldhistory.blogspot.com.tr/2012/10/seljuk-dynasty.html

--Murat Güneş Altuntaşoğlu (talk) 18:42, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

@Murat Güneş Altuntaşoğlu: Seljuqs were Turkic, where in the world I said they weren't? But it has nothing to with Modern Turkish with Latin alphabet. Modern Turkish is different to Oghuz Turkic (which is an extinct language). In which of the above references it has been said that "Seljuqs spoke Modern Turkish and they used Latin alphabet and they wrote their names as Selçuklu İmparatorluğu"? -- Kouhi (talk) 18:48, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

turghril-seljukl-melikşah

hello kouhi.I don't understand what you're doing.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tughril https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malik_Shah_I https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seljuq https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barkiyaruq This leaders Turk Leader and Turkish society you have to add the name to the Turkish interests.This is the case on all pages.I reviewed the changes you have made.your changes fully Turk and Arab enmity..It is forbidden nationalism and hostility in WIKIPEDIA..please stop it.I had to complain if you continue to do so.. example:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmed_the_Conqueror https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulagu_Khan I can give a lot more examples.Please give you this latest vandalism done..What are your intentions..--Osman bey (talk) 07:24, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

@Osman bey: It has been discussed many times on my talk page and other places (see the above discussions) and those users who constantly added those irrelevant spellings have been banned. So don't add those spellings if you don't want to be banned. The next time I will report you. -- Kouhi (talk) 08:18, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

@Osman bey: And judging from your contributions, for your information, you seem to be Wikipedia:Sock puppetry. So be careful. -- Kouhi (talk) 08:32, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

You say that you have the words of Wikipedia content is threatening words that do not comply with the rules.please note the sentence you speak. You demonstrated hostile intent.If you continue in this way I had to complain.To changes you make are not impartial.Changes you make vandalism-nationalism-enmity. Please give an end to this hostility.--Osman bey (talk) 22:31, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Seljuk

Just say something like this has been getting to me, and I am sorry for harsh words. I would like to work with you in the future better, and you could propose how to arrange the wording for that request for comment I mentioned, on his talkpage. Make peace bro.

The Seljuk article has been getting to me, and I was emotionally invested and I apologize for my harsh words and criticism towards you that are unfounded. I would like to work with you in the future better and deal with your proposals, Osman Bey's proposals and mine at the discussion page. We can utilize the talk page to it's fullest potential. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 01:56, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

No problem, both of us were somewhat angry, I also would like to work better with you in the future. So let's make peace and shake hands. -- Kouhi (talk) 10:46, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Of course, peace and shake hands Alexis Ivanov (talk) 12:24, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

I am very happy about this. We should all try to work together in harmony, and one can disagree with colleagues, and still be close friends. I myself experience this a lot! :) Irondome (talk) 13:45, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

seljuk empire

kouhi I added along with source.What are you trying to do. I added with Turkish and Arabic alphabet recitation. an end to this.--Osman bey (talk) 11:36, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

I have not vandalize my changes.your changes vandalize and chauvinist.Be objective about it. please To end this hostility and vandalism.--Osman bey (talk) 11:43, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

If you two Gentleman could come here and just discuss that last specific edit and revert, with reasoning, I think it would be much more helpful than wasting nervous energy and time on the drama boards. Thanks! Irondome (talk) 12:11, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the comment. It was discussed many many times on various pages. The last one was here. All other pages follow the same rule. I can explain why Modern Turkish is irrelevant, but another discussion over whether we should add Turkish spelling or not makes no sense IMO. -- Kouhi (talk) 12:20, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Well done

A good job you did there, amongst others :-) - LouisAragon (talk) 01:05, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello LouisAragon. Thank you very much for the kind words. I did nothing compared to the vast number of good jobs you did. Best of luck. -- Kouhi (talk) 21:56, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

seljuk leaders

hello kouhi, i am osman bey. I have no quarrel with you as my hatred. but the Turkish Seljuk leaders of the Turkish community leaders and concerns directly.please fix this topic. Turkish leaders and these leaders is a direct concern of the Turkish society. Correct me if I would like to thank this fight ends. I do not want to make enemies. but this is unfair.

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seljuk
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barkiyaruq
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suleiman-Shah
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toghrul_III
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Sanjar
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malik-Shah_II
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tughril
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malik-Shah_I

In addition to i am Selçuk Bey and Osman Bey. i am not blahhas sockpuppet.. Please correct this issue will end the debate..thank you--88.251.53.212 (talk) 06:54, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello Osman bey. The problem is that you think Seljuqs were "Turkish". No, they were NOT Turkish, they were "Turkic". And being "Turkic" does not mean that one can add "Turkish spelling" to the article. Sassanids and Parthians were also Iranians, but we can't add "Persian spellings" to those articles, because they didn't speak the Persian language we speak today and specially, they didn't use Perso-Arabic alphabet. "Turkish spelling" for Seljuk Empire is of no use for readers. It is not a historical name. It is a modern name. Seljuqs didn't call themselves "Büyük Selçuklu Devleti". Please understand this. It was discussed many times. -- Kouhi (talk) 12:54, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

true seljuk turkic but seljuk leaders name Why are you deleting.seljuk leaders directly turkish. today the Anatolian Turks created the seljuks.i am not pan turanist or turkish nationalist.they were Turkic/Turkish

Please refer to

• Turkish people
• Selçuk (name)

this leaders and this name directly turkish people. I do not want to hostilities , but are you doing injustice. I have no quarrel with you.If a leader of a society directly concerns the name has to be added.

example:

• Cyrus the Great
• Hulagu Khan
• Genghis Khan
• Alexander the Great
• Berke

I 'm not here to nationalism.but it is an issue that needs to be corrected. today is completely different language and alphabet. There are names for the interests of society. Please correct this situation. --88.251.53.212 (talk) 13:41, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

You are making a mistake here. Seljuq is not a "Turkish" name, it's an "Oghuz Turkic" name. You CAN add "Oghuz Turkic" spelling to the article, provided that you can find the name in a historical source (like what I did for Persian name, I found this name, Al-e Saljuq, in Rahat al-sudur which was written in 1205 AD in Persian). The problem is that Oghuz Turkic is an extinct language and there is no surviving evidence of this language as used by Seljuqs. Also, Modern Persian spelling for Cyrus the Great is irrelevant and I think it should be removed, and Modern Mongolian names for Hulagu Khan and Genghis Khan are also irrelevant, these are all modern names. By the way, I don't remove those spellings myself, because I don't want to start an edit war again. -- Kouhi (talk) 14:16, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

thousand years, today is not the same as the previous Persian language .

oghuz turkic not extinct language.my language oghuz turkic.this names SELJUK-TUGHRİL-BARKIYARUQ-SANJAR Turkic name Used in modern Turkish.I do not want to edit the war but you have deleted them. the old name with your logic iran no relevance to the present persian language. If you want I can find hundreds of resources source. Seljuks are directly related to the modern Turkish people.

I have no intention of fighting the war , as I said. I would ask you please correct this mistake. You can find hundreds of sources you want.--88.251.53.212 (talk) 14:55, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Today Persian language is the same Persian language that was used by Seljuqs. And also, even if you believe they are not the same language, that makes no difference. Because I added the name based on a source that was written in that era in "Persian", so it's a valid historical name. But Modern Turkish is NOT Oghuz Turkic. Please show one of your reliable sources which claims "Seljuqs spoke Modern Turkish and they wrote their names as Büyük Selçuklu Devleti or بويوك سلچوكلو دولتي".

Hossein Khan

Kouhi, I am informing you that accusing someone of "nationalistic edits" violates WP:GF. Given your persistence in your bad-faith reverts and your inability to make proper use of the talkpage, and you are on the brink of being reported yourself. I am waiting for you to either revert your bad-faith edit or present proper argumentation on the talkpage. Parishan (talk) 14:57, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

You removed an obviously true part of the article and added an outdated source with a completely irrelevant spelling to the article. Tell me how much good faith is there behind that edit. And of course, by calling my edits "bad-faith reverts", you yourself violated WP:GF. Best of luck. -- Kouhi (talk) 15:24, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

September 2016

Your recent editing history at Hossein Khan Sardar shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi What are you talking about? Which policy of Wikipedia prevents me from reverting vandalism? Please clarify your comment. -- Kouhi (talk) 16:24, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm afraid that this is an erroneously sent notification. Kouhi merely reverted sock IPs of a sockmaster who's constantly evading his block. I just made a section on ANI about these socks. Feel free to comment there. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:58, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Treaty of Kurakchay/Russo-Karabakhi Treaty

Feel free to leave a comment here. - LouisAragon (talk) 01:06, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Request

Dear Mr Kouhi,

Nice to meet you.

Could you kindly help me write (ie. transliterate) this English text into the Perso-Arabic script using the extended Persian Arabic alphabet?

Text: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. "

Using an online tool, I get this:

فور گود سروع لود تاه ورلد تحت هه گاوه هیس اونه اند آنلی صنع، تحت وهور بلیوس این هیم شال نوت پریش بات هو اترنال لایف.

Could you kindly help me fix the mistakes or write your own transliteration? (including the vowels also)

Your help would be fully appreciated, Thank you. --DaveZ123 (talk) 03:49, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

@DaveZ123: Hello Dave. Here is the transliteration of the above text:

فُرْ گاد سُو لاوْدْ دی وُرْلْدْ دَت هی گِیو هیس وان اند اُنْلی سان، دَت هواِوِرْ بِلیوْز این هیم شال نات پِریش بات هَو ایتِرْنال لایف.

If I may be of any help, please let me know. I would be more than happy to help. Best of luck. -- Kouhi (talk) 05:14, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Gratitude

Thankyou so much Mr. Kouhi for your excellent translation effort!

I very very Grateful.

May you be Blessed!

Yours Sincerely, --DaveZ123 (talk) 07:32, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

September 2016

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism can result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Kouhi (talk) 21:02, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

There is NO vandalism, Kouhi. You are fighting for an unreal issue. Maybe your edits appear to constitute vandalism. Think about it? Thank you for your message...Vikiçizer (talk) 11:04, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

There is a consensus for not adding Turkish spellings. It has been discussed many times. See the talk page of Seljuq Empire. Don't do that again without reaching a consensus. Specially when you have been CANVASSED to make such edits. Turkish spelling is of no use for readers. -- Kouhi (talk) 17:52, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

What are u talking about? Where's the consensus, your messages violates, No threat again, don't do it, you are a minacious guy, you deny everything, every user's contributions. there's only you, isn't it? that's not a consensus, it is only your show actually. Whatever you do, you never change the history. Have no time, but i will have. See ya, take care, bring your friends. Vikiçizer (talk) 18:33, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. Kouhi (talk) 20:14, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Again, Turkish spelling is irrelevant and is of no use. They didn't use Turkish language of Turkey, they spoke Oghuz Turkic and wrote that language in Arabic alphabet, not Latin alphabet. You have been canvassed on your talk page in Turkish Wikipedia and beside that you are disrespecting the consensus on the talk page for not adding Turkish spellings (link). This is the last warning before I report you, feel free to take is seriously. There have been many users before you who have tried to add the spellings. -- Kouhi (talk) 20:26, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Before you accuse me, take a look yourself. No warning anybody, warning for you. Please stop your behaviors. I'm not vandal or anything else. You threat again, NO vandalism or vandalize. Maybe you must blocking, cuz you are vandalize other wikipedians. You have no reason for reverting every contributions. You must stop writing warnings or threats. Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize, you may be blocked from editing. Don't fight your wrong edits. I know you are excited and emotional person, now you must slow down. Just read what I wrote. If you read, maybe you can see right/correct edits for wikipedia. You are editing like owner of wikipedia. you can't do this. you have to stop your wrong edits. maybe i have to report you Kuohi, don't threat again, you vandalising very well. you have nothing about source, consensus. you're just talking alone. you're not listening other users. Vikiçizer (talk) 20:38, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

I have both the source and the consensus. What do you have? Nothing. Beside that, you have been CANVASSED on your talk page in Turkish Wikipedia, do you know what does that means? It means your edits on the article are illegal, if I report you for that, administrators will block both of you. -- Kouhi (talk)

You have not the source and the consensus. You never read the talk pages. If you read, you could see the source and the consensus. Doesn't matter how i learn your vandalism. No canvassed, you canvassed cuz it's just your idea. my talk page in Turkish Wikipedia or anywhere else, i learned your edits. Articles is not yours, you are NOT owner of wikipedia. Administrators should block only you, because you are threating all users and vandalising everytime. Please Administrators, i'm reporting this user, User:Kouhi...Don't threat again users. Vikiçizer (talk) 22:23, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Tamam Shud case

Hello. I happened to notice at the Language Desk that you stated that you are a native speaker of Persian. At the first paragraph of Tamam Shud case, the translation given for 'tamam shud' was 'ended' or 'finished'. At Note 1, it is explained that tamam is a noun that means 'the end' and shud is an auxiliary verb indicating past tense, so it means 'ended' or 'finished'. Now an IP is wanting to change 'ended' to 'the end'. Can you throw any light on what it means? Is there an implied 'the' in the Persian, or should it not be used at all? References, of which you may be more aware than I am, would be very helpful. Thanks. Akld guy (talk) 19:04, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

@Akld guy: Hello. That's an interesting article. The IP is wrong. Tamam shud simply means "ended" or "finished" as you correctly pointed out:

Tamam = finish, end (there is no implied "the")

shud = an auxiliary verb of past tense

Tamam shud = [the work, the job, the movie, the song, the story, put everything else you want here] ended (or finished).

There's an implied "the" in "Tamam shud", but that "the" doesn't apply to the verb, so Tamam shud doesn't mean "the end". The implied "the" applies to the object of the sentence. For example "[Dastan] tamam shud" means "[the story] ended".

I hope this is useful. Please feel free to inform me if I may be of any help. -- Kouhi (talk) 19:41, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. Akld guy (talk) 19:10, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

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@EtienneDolet: What is this? A retaliation? -- Kouhi (talk) 06:15, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

check this

hello.check this pleas https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tomb_of_Cyrus&diff=747118190&oldid=744112441 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.222.31.49 (talk) 22:09, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

نویسه لاتین در مقاله‌های ایران

سلام. میشه مقاله مربوط به کوه سهند را درست کنید؟ متاسفانه رسم الخط بیگانه را در تمام مقاله‌ها وارد کرده‌اند. در حالی که نه نویسه لاتین ترکی آذری کاربردی در ایران دارد و نه بسیاری از آن نام‌ها ترکی هستند. کاربر ایرانی هم نداریم که نظارت و بررسی کنه — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.91.242.28 (talk) 23:02, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

ببخشید انگلیسی من زیاد خوب نیست. میشه نظرتون را برای حذف این مقاله بنویسید؟ لینک به نبح مقاله . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.215.154.38 (talk) 10:02, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Just a respectful question

Do you have a problem with me ? Alexis Ivanov (talk) 06:17, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Not at all, I just reverted IP's disruptive edit, I reverted the Arabic spelling unknowingly, but you should provide a relevant edit summery instead of saying "uncool of you", see the history of the article please, your edit summary is convincing. -- Kouhi (talk) 06:28, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Next time be careful. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 06:33, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

@Alexis Ivanov: Hey, I have a good experience from editing alongside both of you. Can I help? --Mhhossein ^talk 12:38, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

@Mhhossein: Everything is good, just small question on Azeri city Alexis Ivanov (talk) 03:13, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

content dispute

need your help on List of ethnic groups known as "Iranian Turks". i've opened a section on talk page. tnx. --188.158.91.95 (talk) 07:35, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Gaurid Empire

A user has already moved the page to Ghurid dynasty. If this title is not acceptable, ping again at WP:RMT. — Andy W. (talk) 18:59, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Some issues and comment request

Hi. Would you please participate in this content dispute discussion? Talk:Persian_Empire#Issues Since you're familiar with this topic and its related sources, your help would be very useful. Regards. --Wario-Man (talk) 21:31, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

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User:Kouhi, as an admin I noticed WP:AN3#User:92slim reported by User:Kouhi (Result: ) and I'm considering how to close it. You as well as some others in the dispute clearly have academic knowledge and make useful contributions. However you are the leading warrior in the report, since you have broken WP:3RR at Urartu. Can you make a diplomatic offer that will ensure that you won't be making more reverts in the near future? For example, agree to take a two-week break from editing anything related to Urartu on Wikipedia. This might allow the report to be closed with no sanctions. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 01:30, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

(t.p.s) That is wise advice, that would probably go a long way in resolving this and avoiding any unneeded escalation. Put the incident in context and put it down to experience. Just an uninvolved comment. Regards Irondome (talk) 01:51, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Edit warring at Urartu

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The full report is at the edit warring noticeboard. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 18:57, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: I honestly believe this block was unfair. These users showed no sign of collaboration (but they indeed collaborated beautifully with each other to bypass WP:AN3). These users are removing sourced content from articles. Please see this, this and this one for some examples. This is clearly a disruptive edit pattern, they can't remove sourced contents. The worst part is, they are collaborating in this.

They are using WP:CRUSH techniques for POV-pushing. Please look at the timestamps of edits. I left a comment on the talk page at 02:04 18 November which contained a reliable source for my claim, but 92slim, instead of replying to my comment at the talk page, edited the article in 08:48 and removed the disputed part. This is NO collaboration. He can't edit the article while the discussion is ongoing. What's the point of discussion if he wants to neglect it and do what he wants? I noted this on my comments and edit summaries, but all of them neglected this fact and kept reverting.

Besides, 92slim called me liar which is a personal attack, and he accused me of misusing sockpuppets, which is again a serious accusation. Please take these facts into account. -- Kouhi (talk) 20:00, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

It is sometimes hard to tell the difference between consensus and a tag team. Nonetheless it was incorrect for you to refer to their work as vandalism, and to continue reverting after filing your report. If you think you are facing a tag team, you should report the matter at a noticeboard before getting into a revert war. 'They can't remove sourced contents' is a statement not found in our policy. It is not enough for material to be sourced; it also needs consensus for inclusion. EdJohnston (talk) 20:41, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

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تومان

سلام. ببخشید یک کاربری که به نظر میرسه اهل کشور ترکیه باشه پیدا شده و کمر به دستکاری همه مقالات ایران بسته است. در آخرین تلاشش رفته و هر چی مربوط به ریشه مغولی بودن واژه تومان بوده است، رو ترکی کرده و مغولی رو حذف کرده است. مثلا به اینا نگاه کنید:

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اگه یادتون باشه من کارای این یارو رو یه بار دیگه هم بهتون نشون داده بودم. همان دستکاری ترکمن صحرا و نقشه هایی که ساخته است. حسابیش در کامانز بسته شده است. خلاصه نگاهتون بهش باشه. کاربر بی غل و غشی نیست. --188.158.79.190 (talk) 17:20, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

The word is Turkic origin, what should I say, another thing? Beshogur (talk) 21:09, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

serious problem

please take a look at List of Turkic dynasties and countries? it became a mess, because some users and ips added their povs to it. for example, it includes Safavids, but there is nothing about their mixed background. it also has many non-turkic dynasties, plus they labeled non-turkic regions as turkic just because there are some turkic minorities in those regions. i feel some users owned this article. i'm sure their next step is mongolian empire and some other medieval/ancient dynasties. as you know, such edits are very popular on here. because nobody cares about quality.153.211.200.91 (talk) 09:47, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

List of Afghan philosophers

Hi Kouhi. What do you think about this list?

• List of Afghan philosophers

I've removed all Medieval scholars from it.[6]. Because it looks very anachronistic to add Medieval Persian people as a modern ethnic group (Afghan). Plus, the user who created this list has a long-term history of such edits.[7] --Wario-Man (talk) 10:58, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi. Thank you for the message. I agree with you. Those people didn't identify themselves as "Afghan" philosophers, Afghanistan is a modern country and it didn't exist at that time. Applying a modern nationality to a medieval person is of course wrong. From an ethnic point of view, the term "Afghan" means "Pashtun", while none of those people were Pashtuns and therefore Afghans. -- Kouhi (talk) 12:38, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Okay. Then please add it to your watchlist. Also, Jami may needs a rewrite. I don't understand why his ethnicity was removed from article while Iranica mentioned it.[8] --Wario-Man (talk) 12:50, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

I have that article in my watchlist. I think we can safely mention Jami's ethnicity. There's no objection regarding his Persian origin in reliable sources, I'll add some sources to the article. -- Kouhi (talk) 13:09, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Yunus_Al-Katib_Al-Mughanni

I've nominated this stub for deletion. It's a mess. Please fix it, or it shall be deleted in a week. Bearian (talk) 14:42, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

I've also nominated Zahir_al-Din_Mar'ashi, for the reasons stated therein. Bearian (talk) 14:46, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Al razi

(Taymi al-Bakri) Taym and Bakr are Arabian clans from Mekkah عمر الشامي (talk) 09:49, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

@عمر الشامي: OK, but please cite a reliable source in which the readers can verify that "Ibn Khallikan refer to him as Taymi al-Bakri which means he was of Arab descent", then we can write "an Iranian Arab" or "an Iranian of Arab descent" in the lead section of the article (since the word "Iranian" is already sourced). Otherwise it would be WP:OR to say he was of Arab descent just because Ibn Khallikan referred to him as "Taymi al-Bakri". Ibn Khallikan also claimed that Al-Farabi was Turkic, a claim rejected by most of modern scholars. -- Kouhi (talk) 10:17, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Sarbadars

hello.this dude @Joohnny braavoo1: added Sarbadars to his turkic list! link just because one of the Sarbadar commanders may had a turkic background:Muhammad Aytimur.

Georgian Armenian Circassian

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case. Notification of Arbitration Request. John Francis Templeson (talk) 20:29, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Arbitration case request declined

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Ferdowsi

I do not understand why you are edit-warring. First of all, the word "Ferdowsi" is Arabic. It was the name given to him at the court of Mahmoud Ghaznawi. The word "firdows" is taken from the Quran. The origin of the word is - no doubt - Old Iranian (NOT Persian), but that's irrelevant in this case, because the word does not have a natural evolution in Persian, but was adopted from Arabic.

As for the Cyrillic script: it is absolutely relevant, because Tajik Persian is a STANDARDIZED VERSION of the Persian language. Ferdowsi is as much part of the Tajik culture as Rudaki is part of Iranian culture. Not mentioning the Cyrillic script is like removing the modern Persian spelling of the name "Darius" from the article on Darius the Great, only because the modern Persian script did not exist back then.

--Lysozym (talk) 00:52, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

@Lysozym: First of all, greetings from Iran. Please read BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. You're expected to use the talkpage after a revert by another user.

Second, what you said about the name "Ferdowsi" and its relation to the court of Mahmoud Ghaznavi is based on a folk story. Modern scholars cast doubt on whether Ferdowsi ever met Mahmoud since he was pretty old when he finished Shahnameh (and he started his Shahnameh long before Mahmoud's reign), he wasn't able to travel a long way from Tus to Ghazni. There are also other stories. For example, according to another story, he was called "Ferdowsi" because as a Dihqan, he had a very beautiful garden (his tomb is located there). So, we can't use "Arabic" based on that folk story. And actually the word have an evolution in Persian. Because in the early Islamic centuries, there was no letter for g, p, ch, zh, so they had to Arabize the words in order to write them. This is why there are a lot of Arabized words in Persian which are not common in Arabic.

Third, you are actually right in saying the Modern Persian spelling in Perso-Arabic script is irrelevant to the article of Darius. I've removed it from dozens of articles. We also didn't include Modern Persian spelling to the articles of Parthian Empire and Sasanian Empire (though it can be added to the Sasanian article since a large percentage of our knowledge about Sasanians come from medieval Persian primary sources). You are right in saying Ferdowsi and other Persian-language poets belongs to no country, but to all Persian-speakers. Nobody contests that. But the initial foreign name has nothing to do with it. It is just for further research in primary sources (this is why we use "Arabic" in Avicenna and other articles). In the case of Ferdowsi, not only his Shahnameh was originally in Perso-Arabic script, but also his biographers like Nezami Aruzi wrote in this script. The Cyrillic script is a Soviet thing and even the majority of Tajiks (who live in Afghanistan) also don't use it, even in Tajikistan many people are opposed to Cyrillic script. -- Mazandar (talk) 04:19, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the answer. 1) Your conclusion, that Ferdowi's name is originally Persian, is simply wrong. The Persian word for garden is "bagh" and has the same etymological origin as "baga" and "beg", meaning "God" and "Lord". The Persian word for paradise is "Behesht", derived from Middle Persian "Vehesht", itself of Avestan origin. The Old Iranian "paradaisa" has no continuity in Modern Persian. "Ferdows" is simply an Arabic word of Old Iranian origin, the same way modern Persian "Yalda" is Persian word of ancient Christian-Aramaic origin. Stating the FACT that "Ferdowsi" is an Arabic word does not make the poet less Persian. It simply reflects the reality of his time: that the literary and cultural wold of Persia was dominated by Arabic, until Ferdowsi broke that dominance. As for sources: both the Encyclopaedia Iranica and the Encyclopaedia of Islam state that the name was given to him at the court of Mahmoud. 2) Whether Cyrillic was imposed on Persians or not, whether Tajiks like it or not (by the way: the "Tajiks" of Afghanistan are not "Tajiks"; that word was imposed on them in the 1960s): the Cyrillic script is the official script in Tajikistan. It's being taught in schools and universities, and it is used by the media and by the government. All medieval works have been transliterated into Cyrillic, the same way old Turkish poetry is being transliterated into modern Latin-based Turkish. Removing the Cyrillic script from the article is totally unscientific and has the sole purpose of "De-Persianizing" Tajiks. Ferdowsi's work does not become "un-Persian" only by mentioning in a single sentence how modern Tajiks spell the name. --Lysozym (talk) 04:34, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

منابع

سلام. این وبلاگ منابع گوناگونی درباره ایران پس از اسلام دارد. به ویژه چگونگی ورود قبایل ترک (غزان و ...) آسیای میانه، پیدایش سلسله‌های غزنوی و سلجوقی و شیوه رفتار سلاطین و لشکریان آن‌ها دارد. البته همه برگردان‌های پارسی از تاریخنویسان اسلامی است. ولی به آسانی می‌توانید با دانستن منبع اصلی، همین موارد را در گوگل بوکس هم پیدا کنید. در سایت about.com بخش history آن هم مطلب در اینباره است. این کاربر هم فکر کنم با منابع گوناگون تاریخ اسلامی و خلافت عباسیان آشنا باشه. اما پیشنهاد من اینه که شما اول یه دستی بر سر و روی مقاله‌های اصلی و مهم دیگر بکشید چون بنا به دلایلی به حاشیه رفته‌اند. این تنها یک نمونه است. ادعاهای گزافی هم در خود مقاله ایران، جمعیت‌شناسی ایران، اقوام مختلف و ... در ویکی انگلیسی مطرح شده است. متاسفانه غفلت کاربران ایرانی باعث تاخت و تاز عده‌ای در اینجا شده است. هر چی را که نتوانسته‌اند در مقاله‌های ویکی فارسی بچپانند اینجا چپانده‌اند و تناقضات بسیاری پیش آمده است. همان مقاله‌ای را که در بالا گفتم بررسی کنید و خودتان می‌بینید که عجب آش شوری شده است.--94.176.82.177 (talk) 11:22, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

یک رایانامگ برای من می‌فرستید؟ -- Mazandar (talk) 15:55, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Library sources

Regarding your comment here, I would apply for JSTOR, Brill, and Cambridge University Press. However, I think Brill online reference works best applies for the articles you'd like work on. However, the bad news is that, WP does not provide free accounts for this service. --Mhhossein ^talk 13:16, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the help! For now, I've found a temporary way to get some of those articles. -- Mazandar (talk) 17:52, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Azerbaijan

Nothing's wrong with using Azerbaijan/Azarbaijan when it's a Persian topic, that's how we spell the region. If people use 'Azerbaijan' on historical Arran, then it's an issue. Anyways, keep up the good work dadash! --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:52, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

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UNHCR in Iran

You asserted that "UNHCR is hardly involved in the affairs of refugees in Iran." See The UNHCR Representation in the Islamic Republic of Iran.--David Liebman (talk) 17:07, 10 March 2017 (UTC)--David Liebman (talk) 17:07, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

I've already seen that page. Nonetheless, The official report of Iran is important and can't be excluded from the article. After all, Iran is hosting the refugees, not UNHCR. The report by Iran is more important and noteworthy than UNHCR's. -- Mazandar (talk) 17:13, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

The problem is this is the English Wikipedia page, your "official report of Iran" is in Persian. English readers/editors are unable to verify it. This is what UNHCR said: "The Government of Iran is responsible for refugee registration and refugee status determination. It issues ‘Amayesh’ identification cards to refugees that enable refugees to access basic services, facilitate the issuance of work permits and seek durable solutions. In addition 620,000 Afghan passport holders who were previously undocumented or Amayesh cardholders have been issued with Iranian visas that allow them to reside in the country. The government estimates that there remains between 1.5 ‐ 3 million undocumented Afghans in Iran." http://www.unhcr.org/protection/operations/50002081d/iran-fact-sheet.html --David Liebman (talk) 17:17, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

"According to government population figures, as of October 2011, Iran was hosting 882,659 registered refugees, of which 840,158 were Afghans and the rest Iraqi nationals. According to 2012 estimates by Iran’s official Bureau for Aliens and Foreign Immigrants’ Affairs (BAFIA), some 1.4 to 2 million Afghans not registered as refugees live and work in Iran. Together with the registered refugee population, that makes for a total of between 2.4 and 3 million Afghans in Iran." https://www.hrw.org/report/2013/11/20/unwelcome-guests/irans-violation-afghan-refugee-and-migrant-rights --David Liebman (talk) 17:24, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

See WP:NOENG. The sources could be in any language. Since this is related to Iran, Iranian sources are more reliable as they are more close to the events that happen in Iran. The Persian source I added to the article shows 2015 estimations. The report of UNHCR is most likely based on the pre-2015 Iranian report, even though it is published in 2016. Has UNHCR conducted an independent census in Iran? -- Mazandar (talk) 17:34, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

WP:NOENG contradicts what you say. UNHCR actually documented each and every Afghan living in Iran, they total c. 951,142. All sources (including the one you cited) rely on UNHCR's data.--David Liebman (talk) 21:50, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Actually WP:NOENG confirms what I said, read it carefully. And again, as I said, UNCHR's report is based on early Iranian reports, they didn't conduct any census in Iran. If you do believe Afghan refugees are just 1 million, you better don't involve yourself in that article. I myself will edit it based on reliable sources when I find some free time. -- Mazandar (talk) 05:14, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Stop confusing yourself. Your own news report says 1 million registered Afghan refugees live in Iran. Refugees are people in need of protection who cannot go back to their country. I'm sure you know this because so many Iranian refugees are fleeing to the US, Europe and Australia. They must go to the UNHCR in Iran for assistance, the process is the same as applying for asylum in the US, Europe or Australia. That's what the 1 million refugees have done, and all their information is with the UNHCR. They can voluntarily go back to Afghanistan but cannot be deported, see United Nations Convention against Torture. Those who enter Iran using Afghan passports and Iranian visas are not refugees, they are temporary visitors just like any other visitor from any other country. Similarly, those who enter illegally are not refugees. If there are 1 million illegal aliens in Iran, where are they? Does Iran have sanctuary cities? Do Iranians keep Afghans in their homes? Do Iranians rent homes to illegal aliens? Do Iranians hire illegal aliens? How do these 1 million illegal aliens survive in a very strict country like Iran?--David Liebman (talk) 11:44, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

First of all, be careful to not violate WP:CIVIL. Second, that's just "your own interpretation". We don't write articles based on personal opinions. Reliable sources consider all of these three groups as "refugees". Whether you like it or not, that definition should be used on Wikipedia. You can talk about it with Iranian or Afghan officials, but Wikipedia is not a WP:FORUM and original research is prohibited. -- Mazandar (talk) 11:58, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

My own interpretation? Click on Refugee, then slowly read it and learn the correct meaning of the term, this is not something to debate over. No, visa holders are NOT refugees, and illegal aliens are NOT refugees. Like I said, stop confusing yourself. I'm not in the mood to argue with you. Do you call European visitors to Iran refugees?--David Liebman (talk) 12:42, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

The definition of refugee isn't important at all. The only important thing in Wikipedia is WP:VERIFY. And as I said, reliable sources consider all of these three groups as refugees. The president of Iran could be considered as a refugee if reliable sources consider him as one, let alone European visitors. That's good you're not in the mood to argue with me, I appreciate it, so please take all of your concerns to the talk page of the article and wait for the comments of other editors. -- Mazandar (talk) 12:53, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Here we go again. Name a source that considers all of these groups as refugees. Wikipedia will never allow such nonsense.--David Liebman (talk) 13:06, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

The majority of Iranian and Afghan sources (if not all of them) consider all of these three groups as "Afghan refugees", just refer a random Iranian or Afghan source (but you can't find the word "refugee" in them, because this word has a negative connotation, Persian sources usually use "emigrant" (muhajir) instead of "refugee"). But, to name a particular source, this source, Encyclopedia Iranica, is a reliable and independent source which confirms what I said. Beside that, do note that the title of the article is "Afghans in Iran", not "Afghan refugees in Iran", so even if we use your definition of "Afghan refugees", we can still include those "undocumented" or "economic emigrants". -- Mazandar (talk) 13:22, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Iranian and Afghan sources call Afghans born inside Iran as Afghan refugees, but that is for political reasons. Unlike in Western countries, these countries (including many other countries) do not give citizenship to people from other countries. The article Afghans in Iran must clarify all this and it does. The point here is, are you saying there are 2.5 million Afghan refugees inside Iran? Or, are you saying there are 2.5 million Afghans in Iran? Your source clearly says 1 million are refugees, half a million are visa holders and 1 million are illegal aliens. The above source is not inconsistent with this. Every Iranian and Afghan source says the same thing. Why are we arguing?--David Liebman (talk) 14:14, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Surely we can write about those "political reasons" if there are reliable sources about them. Regarding the Persian source, the source clearly groups all of these 2.5 million as "Afghan muhajirs", (literally means "emigrant", but is understood as "refugee"). That part of the article is consistent with the source. -- Mazandar (talk) 14:38, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

You write about it, the internet is full of reliable sources. See these latest reports [9] [10] You are purposely becoming ignorant by dismissing the obvious difference between a refugee and a person who merely visits another country. Why you put "Amayesh program" in place of refugees?--David Liebman (talk) 15:51, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

If the word refugee has a negative connotation, then why don't Muslims talk about this when it comes to their prophet Muhammad, he was a refugee. So were many other prophets, Jesus, Moses, Abraham, and etc. Even Ayatollah Khomeini was a refugee, I can name 100s (or 1000s) of other such refugees.--David Liebman (talk) 16:03, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Again, your comments violate WP:CIVIL, be careful if you don't want to get blocked. Even your own "reliable" sources are saying those undocumented Afghans are "refugees": "Iran hosts some three million Afghan refugees, (...) only an estimated 950,000 are United Nations-registered, as Iranian authorities have not provided all Afghan refugees with an opportunity to legally claim asylum." Do you have any reliable source which support your claim that undocumented and illegal emigrant Afghans are not "refugees"? If you don't have any source for that, then I'm afraid talking about it is fully pointless as Wikipedia should be written based on reliable sources. Even if you can find a source, it is still useless, as Wikipedia only reflects the most widely accepted POV (WP:UNDUE), and the vast majority of the sources are unanimous in that all of these three groups (documented undocumented, illegal emigrants) are "refugees". BTW, why are you debating over this anyway? The article doesn't claim those undocumented and illegal emigrants are "refugees", even the title of the article is not "Afghan refugees", it's "Afghans in Iran", and those so-called "non-refugees" also belong to the group of "Afghans in Iran", so they should be mentioned. You can take your concerns to the talkpage of the article, so that other users can mention their opinions. -- Mazandar (talk) 17:26, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

I started this discussion to teach you that UNHCR is present and involved in Iran. Afghanistan's situation has materially changed in the last decade. Afghans outside Afghanistan are no longer refugees, except those designated as refugees (most of which were born in Iran, possessing Iranian birth certificates). Members of that group eventually get Western passports stating birth place as Iran. The phrase "Iran hosts some three million Afghan refugees" is obviously referring to the Afghans who entered Iran before 2002. These days no Afghan can enter Iran without Afghan passport and Iranian visa. Those who enter illegally get arrested and then deported. I've been trying to make you understand this, have no issue with your last statement.--David Liebman (talk) 18:47, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

@David Liebman: Oops, sorry, I didn't notice your good faith effort to explain things, sorry of my ignorance. And thanks for the useful information. BTW, recently I've became highly interested in Afghanistan and I'm eager to know more, could I send you an email, so that we could talk more? Thanks again for the information! -- Mazandar (talk) 15:53, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Sure, you can email me. I don't edit Wikipedia but just decided to update information about the Afghan refugees. I deal with immigration stuff and wanted to clarify that not all Afghans are entitled to UN protection in Iran and Pakistan.--David Liebman (talk) 17:41, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Spelling

Here;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tughril I am waiting for your participation.--78.165.85.180 (talk) 16:25, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

You again reverted. You told me to move to talk page. Did you provide a consensus to include this reading ? If you have good intentions, I am waiting to discuss. --78.165.85.180 (talk) 17:09, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

I already answered you in Talk:Tughril. It is you who want to remove something from the article, not me, so it is you who should get a consensus. -- Mazandar (talk) 17:12, 24 March 2017 (UTC)