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Need some advice/help re: a merge or a re-direct or....? between Bath School disaster & Bath Consolidated School

As an admin who has edited "Bath School disaster", I need some advice re: Wiki-procedures...
In May a "merge from" template was placed at Bath School disaster to merge content from Bath Consolidated School into the main article. The discussion so far at Talk:Bath School disaster#Proposed merge of Bath Consolidated School into Bath School disaster has been all in favor.
I don't disagree with the template but... In looking over the School article it seems that there is nothing much there different from the main article so a true merge doesn't seem necessary. I've suggested a redirect but am not sure how to best accomplish it (for instance, I don't want to mistakenly strand the Consolidated School's talk page and so on). If you could take a look under the hood and mentor me through the process I'd be happy to take care of it. Yeah, I know it's kind of crazy that I don't know how to do it already but I'm like a cross between toddler around WP, yelling "ME DO!" while simultaneously being afraid I'll Wiki-break something in the process. (FYI - I've also asked for help from one other experienced editor who edited the article somewhat semi-recently on their talk page, figuring maybe one of you will be able to respond shortly with advice.) Cheers, Shearonink (talk) 16:19, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Shearonink, and thanks for the note. I took a look at the Merge Request and posted a comment agreeing that such a merge should be carried out. I will be happy to advise you how to do it. You will be able to carry it out in full; there is nothing there that calls for admin tools. And you don't strike me as a toddler, with your long experience here! You could look at this advice for help. Also see Wikipedia:WikiProject Merge. Basically, here is what I advise:

• First, look at the information at the school article and compare it to the information about the school at the disaster article. If there is any significant information missing, copy it and any supporting references into the disaster article, and note in your edit summary that the information is copied from the school article. The format I use for the edit summary is something like this: "Material copied from Bath Consolidated School, see that article's history for attribution."
• Next, replace the entire content of the school article with a redirect notice to Bath School disaster, and add the template {{Template:R from merge}}. In your edit summary mention/link to the merge discussion.
• Then go to the school article's talk page, and replace the entire content with a redirect notice to Talk:Bath School disaster and template as above, and mention the merge discussion in your edit summary.
• Remove the "merge to" template from the disaster article, and comment at the Merge Request discussion that you have carried out the merge.
• The existing Pending Change protection at the disaster article will remain in place.

Have fun! I'm not going to be around for the next 24 hours so if you get stuck, consult the other person! 0;-D -- MelanieN (talk) 17:49, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for all this advice. I'm going to take a stab at it now...wish me luck! Shearonink (talk) 18:12, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done Feel free to check it all out, I don't think there are any dangling bits of code or orphaned pages... Thanks again. I must say, for me it was much easier to follow your step-by-steps than some of the "Help" pages. Shearonink (talk) 22:09, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Nice work, Shearonink. Just one thing: although you added the appropriate template to the talk page and left the wikiprojects in place, you forgot to actually redirect the school talk page to the disaster talk page. I did that just now, although to tell you the truth I don't know if it is actually required. I just don't like to leave the talk page of a redirect behind; seems like kind of an orphan. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:57, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Ah...yeah, I wasn't sure if the School old talk page had to leave. Or not. Thanks for the clean-up on Aisle 5. Shearonink (talk) 02:11, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Louis M. Martini Winery

On 8 June 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Louis M. Martini Winery, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Louis M. Martini Winery began selling wine on December 5, 1933 – the day on which Prohibition in the United States was repealed? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Louis M. Martini Winery. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Louis M. Martini Winery), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Hungarian Nobel laureates

How did you come to a "keep" close? Most of the keep !votes are arguing for keeping mostly unreferenced, occasionally OR, lists. I don't see how the recent comments provide any additional justification for keeping this. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:31, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, RandomCanadian, and thanks for your comments. Yes, I did see that you argued strongly and repeatedly against list articles without much prose. You said they were redundant to categories and shouldn’t exist. Other people disagreed, quoting guidelines that such articles are “complementary, not duplicative” of the categories. The consensus was to keep. If you disagree, you are welcome to take it to review. -- MelanieN (talk) 01:04, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for protecting Jordan Cofer's gender identity

I just wanted to extend my thank you for protecting the 2019 Dayton shooting page, as it helps to protect Jordan Cofer's gender identity. While it isn't much, it is the least we can do as Wikipedians for someone who's life was tragically cut short in a horrific manner. RaskBunzzz (talk) 19:35, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Glad to help. -- MelanieN (talk) 00:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Query

Hello, Melanie,

I saw you deleted several templates created by editor User:Vegrar81uyiA80 which were just nonsense. I deleted more templates plus 5 or 6 categories he created for his draft pages. He created archive pages for his drafts as well. He's only been editing for 2 hours and he made 125 edits. He's a returning editor who used to edit with a different account, which he states on his User page, and there were also some problems, but different ones, with his other account. Basically moving too quickly into areas that he knows nothing about. I left a warning message on his talk page, with all of the CSD notices as well, but I just wanted another admin to know about his activity in case he keeps up editing at the same speed he just started.

I hope you are well and enjoying this start to summer! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:21, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, Liz. The user responded to your messages by repeatedly promising "not to do it again," but I see that User:Yamla has given them an indefinite block anyhow. Yamla also blocked the IP that you blocked earlier, the one that was hounding Vegrar and Vegrar was hounding them; Yamla suggested that it was a case of WP:GOODHAND. Good riddance to both of them.

I too found something fishy about that Vegrar account, but I didn't feel familiar enough with some of the things they were doing to take any action beyond deleting some of the ones that were tagged CSD. Even now it looks like only a dozen or so of their creations and edits - which they were doing at the rate of nearly one a minute - have been deleted. But many, possibly most deserve deletion, such as this nonsensical talk page to a draft stub they created. Do you think something should be done to delete them all? And if so, how? Yamla, what do you think? -- MelanieN (talk) 15:04, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Looks like it was taken care of by Favonian. :) --Yamla (talk) 15:27, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Yay! Thank you, Yamla and Favonian. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:36, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Issue on an article

Hello. There seems to be an error on the article about Sisqó under discography & solo albums. There's one highlighted in red that says Dragon (Sisqó album) (2022) & it's not really true because his latest album is Last Dragon (2015). Can you please remove the one highlighted in red [[Special:Contributions/2600:8803:7619:3100:3D71:91E7:81AD:3002|(talk) 13:23, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I looked online and I don't find any evidence that there is such an album, so I removed it. -- MelanieN (talk) 14:21, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Robert J. Vlasic

On 27 June 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Robert J. Vlasic, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Robert J. Vlasic published a book of pickle jokes? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Robert J. Vlasic. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Robert J. Vlasic), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:04, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Dafina Zeqiri

Hi. A few hours ago you protected the page indefinitely at the request of another user. However, you did not make a research first to see if their accusations towards me were indeed into place. If you had you would have seen that she is not Swedish de facto and per all relevant sources (regardless the fact she was born at the country which is not of any concern, see Rita Ora for instance) and not to mention the fact previous version that they constantly reverted to was written in a far more than unencyclopedic way and with events described without any sources. Hope you reconsider your decision as wikipedia's purpose is to provide right and precise info and only. Good day. 109.178.166.102 (talk) 06:54, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Replied at their talk page. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:54, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Saw the answer but gonna respond there. Even if that's the way, Wikipedia's guidelines say to strictly follow the sources. She is not mentioned anywhere as a Swedish person (not even Swedish-born as a characterization) so what you say does not apply there. I can mention sources at your tp as well to prove my sayings. 109.178.146.238 (talk) 17:32, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm not the person you need to convince. All I did was protect the page. Deciding on content is done via consensus at the article talk page. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:42, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

BTW I really advise you to register a username. Not only would that let you bypass semi-protection, but it would make it possible for a person to have a conversation with you, without your IP address changing all the time. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:44, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Well, you did though at somebody's else request. So you admit you were "convinced" by them, otherwise you would have left the page intact as common logic says, wouldn't you? 62.74.6.107 (talk) 23:10, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Like any administrator, I looked at the log to see what has been done in the past, and at the history to see what is happening right now. In the past someone imposed indefinite semi-protection, but that was recently removed as an experiment to see if it was still needed. The immediate history showed that it was still needed, so I restored it. In any case, all this debating with me is getting you nowhere; if you want your version to go into the article, you need to make your case on the article talk page. I am done here. -- MelanieN (talk) 02:50, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Great, thanks for admitting you are the one wrong there, even indirectly. Of course I am not going to waste any more time with this useless debate as you already said yourself but the semi protection is not going to remain for that long. Cheers. 89.210.44.87 (talk) 06:31, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

All of this discussion is with banned User:Dealer07 evading their block. Binksternet (talk) 13:59, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Vlassic article

Really like the Vlassic pickles (Robert J. Vlasic) article, thanks for editing it and expanding it. Therapyisgood (talk) 21:27, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Aurangabad

MelanieN Thank you for adding protection to the page. The page needs to be reverted to this last stable version before it was disrupted by IPs. Can you please revert to this version please? [1] MehmoodS (talk) 20:43, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Aurangabad

Thank you for protecting Aurangabad - unfortunately, you have protected a vandalized version of the page. Could you please re-instate Aurangabad (in bold), as the first word of the lead, and also as the name at the top of the infobox - Thanks again - Arjayay (talk) 20:44, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

I wasn't given an "edit conflict" regarding the post above, posted whilst I was writing mine, but we are fundamentally in agreement - Arjayay (talk) 20:45, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Erm, can I also point out that, according to WP:RPP, you stated it was Semi-protected for a period of 2 weeks, but you actually fully protected it. - Thanks - Arjayay (talk) 21:29, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I don't know how that happened. It is now semi-protected as far as the article goes, and extended confirmed move protection. Sorry about that. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:08, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

@MehmoodS and Arjayay: The full protection has now been lifted and you guys can fix the article the way it should be. The bolded name Aurangabad should certainly be added to the first sentence, and I will do that. I don't understand the messages at the top of the infobox, which claim it should be Sambhaji Nagar in that location and should not be changed. I will leave it up to you who edit the article to figure that out. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:41, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks MelanieN. MehmoodS (talk) 23:44, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

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