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Older articles have refs even if it doesn't say that
Latest comment: 14 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion
The need for the term "references" is a modern addition to the wiki. Prior to about 2006/2007, the standard was to use "External links" for this. So if you do come across an older article that has such a usage, like MacBinary, it would be more useful to change the header than tag the article. Thanks! Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:48, 9 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 14 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion
Hi! This message is just a friendly reminder that you signed up to participate in the GOCE Backlog Elimination Drive. I noticed that you haven't logged a single copy edit yet. We'd love to see you participate! The drive runs three more weeks so there's still plenty of time to earn barnstars. Thanks! --DiannaaTALK21:40, 9 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 13 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
Hi Mono!
I saw that, while you're doing sterling work with the mottoes, when you declined a motto here, you forgot to put the motto discussion into the Decisions page. If you don't do that, we can't see what mottos have been used before. Other than that, you seem to be active on WP:MOTD, which is excellent.
Keep up the good work! --Smaug123 (talk) 19:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Collab on MBA?
Latest comment: 13 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion
Sounds great. I've been quite busy iRl (notice the apple-y (i) thing...), and haven't been able to do a ton. I'll be updowngrading my internet connection soon, so beware of that as well. Anyway, I'll try my best! —mono21:46, 12 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
OK. My connection is just fine, although it is a base package, peaking at 1.5 MB/s download, .27 Mb/s upload; more than good enough for editing Wikipedia and watching low-quality videos . iKnow what you mean about downgrading. My school had such sporadic (to put it mildly) service from them that they dumped them not too long ago. So for now, if you have time, the lead on MBA needs expanding. RL comes first! Looking forward to collaborating, Airplaneman ✈Review?22:20, 12 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Attribution
Latest comment: 13 years ago5 comments4 people in discussion
I've actually come to the conclusion that images under GPL don't seem to require require attribution, so I think you can change them back to internal links to your userpages. Sorry about that. –xenotalk17:11, 12 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Hmm... even if that is the case, you still need a copy of the GPL by the image. Which is why people should stop using it for images :/ In any case, I can't find the original source for the image I think you're talk about (the apple?), so I can't verify the license for myself. —fetch·comms18:49, 12 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
<grumble> =] (was also talking about the images on the user page)... "Leopard Icons in Black" no longer appear at opendesktop.org as far as I can tell; but if they did at the time then the license is irrevocable (I think). –xenotalk18:52, 12 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
OK, my username is "mono", my IRC nick is "monomium", and I sent a confirmation memo, but I can re-send. I decided that my home project is starting to become wikimedia, so yes: I want wikimedia/mono. —mono23:28, 13 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 13 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
Just thought I'd let you know that I copied all the stuff from the questions sandbox to the actual WikiProject report article for this week, and put a redirect on the sandbox page. I noticed on the sandbox questions table that not all the questions have been answered fully - is that still the case? Regards, WackyWaceyou talkin' to me?16:51, 14 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 13 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
Hi there, could I just ask how you got your user page to look how it does? Mine is very boring and I'd like to liven it up like yours! Thanks - TALLeNtalk21:29, 14 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 13 years ago20 comments7 people in discussion
12 hours isn't nearly long enough. I suspect you haven't even read my last post here, as you haven't fixed the issue. Try 1 week. —fetch·comms21:38, 14 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the comment on User:HJ Mitchell's talk page. I was going to leave a message there and then realized that for whatever strange reason that page is protected and I cannot even leave a message there. That seems to sort of defeat the purpose of having a talk page in my opinion. Do you have any idea why his talk page would be protected? 192.102.209.29 (talk) 00:53, 14 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Sorry about that, User talk:HJ Mitchell is protected because of several rather unpleasant attacks and there's currently no way to filter those edits out. I'll get back to your question in a minute. Whisky drinker | HJ's sock 00:56, 14 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
I'm not allowed to, because some of their crap falls under RD2 and shouldn't be publicly viewable, but abuse filter logs can;t be deleted at the minute. I'm waiting on a bugzilla that should solve the problem. Whisky drinker | HJ's sock 01:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
How many alternate accounts do you need? Rollback added, anyway. You really don't need reviewer for vandalism fighting only. —fetch·comms01:54, 14 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Text in bold added: Well, eventually I will end up turning these into semi-bots, after I learn to code 'em, and BAG em. —mono01:57, 14 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
You'll probably want to make separate accounts for that, then. In other news,
File:Mono-Logo-071410.png uses File:A logo for mono.png and at least one other image in it (the Eiffel Tower pic), but neither are attributed in the image description. As this is a derivative work of the two, you need to attribute both, assuming the other is under a license requiring attribution as well. However, the original logo is under cc-by-sa. Notice the "sa" part, which means that you'll need to license the Bastille Day image under the cc-by-sa as well. I have no clue why you are using the GFDL for images anyway, because it is completely impractical to have a copy of the full text of the license next to the image at every use. I would just multi-license it under the cc-by-sa 3.0 and GFDL, like Wikipedia does. —fetch·comms02:12, 14 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Agreed. Images and GDFL do not really work well together and I see this all too often. Here is another example of a set of images also placed under the GDFL (from a user that seems to have made many images available here): File:3-way switches position 1.svg Sadly, methinks this might make such images ultimately unusable on Wikipedia (currently that is not the policy). 192.102.209.29 (talk) 02:29, 14 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
The Eiffel Tower pic is PD, so no worries there. I have properly attributed the image on Commons. This comment would be more appropriate for my Commons page, as everything is there. GFDL is my personal preference, because of the limited nature. Eventually, I think it will be outlawed, but I'll consider relicensing later. fetchcomms, you're onetotalk...—mono23:58, 14 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
I asked here because you'd likely check it quicker; GFDL is simply not fit for images. That's like saying you should drive go-carts on the street because they're lighter. They have their purposes, but shouldn't be used in every case. And I have one public-network account, one AWB account (which I don't even use much any more), and one previous account which is blocked for security reasons. I'm not planning on making semi-bots (most of that can be done with AWB, I find), so I'm not making any more. —fetch·comms02:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
@Mono: I think this is what needs to change (as mentioned at your editor review). Being unnecessarily stubborn and inflammatory, like you are being above, will get you nowhere in your relationships with other editors here. Airplaneman ✈Review?02:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
I'm of the opinion that a regular template will do fine, but yours is acceptable. Maybe make it a bit smaller though. And yes, I prefer multi-licensing. —fetch·comms20:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
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Latest comment: 13 years ago12 comments5 people in discussion
Because, in the past, whenever I saw the editnotice, it would say "Hello, Mono! Yes, I know your name. I even know you are forgetting to set your gender in your preferences!..." etc. etc. To your second question: it is a possibility, as far as anything goes. :| TelCoNaSpVe :|20:07, 15 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
And the page notice is the unneeded one, as the group notice covers his subpages too. Although it looks a bit odd on the guestbook... —fetch·comms20:39, 15 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
No, I know the page notice for the userpage should be removed, but saying "is there any reason you're messing with my page" on a guestbook is sort of contradictory, no? —fetch·comms22:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 13 years ago7 comments6 people in discussion
Header
Please change that bizarre header (which I have commented out, for now) - for one thing, it makes it very difficult to click 'edit' on this page. Thanks, Chzz ► 10:32, 15 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
One, can you make your signature more clear as to who you are, and two, can you please not have that symbol as part of your signature? You do know what it means, right? Some people may find it offensive, and I just find it distasteful. —fetch·comms02:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 13 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion
Hey Mono. I saw your edit to Chinatown. Before everyone forgets about it, have you added the info to other articles? Do articles on these Chinatowns actually exist? If so, removing more descriptive info on them means you should instead link their articles (again, only if they exist) on the Chinatown page. Just plain removing good information is counterproductive. Airplaneman ✈Review?03:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
I checked before removing info that comprehensive material on the chinatowns exited, and I found that articles such as Chinatown, Manhattan were a better (in my opinion) way to present the info. While I am not on source patrol, much of the info that I removed was uncited, which leads me to question whether the info was "good" or not. —mono03:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 13 years ago6 comments2 people in discussion
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Declined PRODs
Latest comment: 13 years ago16 comments7 people in discussion
Still don't see how redirect (containing said character) could have potential use. Unless the entirety of a single word contains all similar Greek characters, but here only one character is in Greek, which makes the whole word altogether confusing...Jejus! Now even Fetchcomms is involved. :| TelCoNaSpVe :|02:46, 17 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
@Airplaneman: I honeßtly don't ßuppoße that any number of ßeveral people are going to type in Ußer talk:TeleComNaßprVen every ßingle time they decide to come to look up my ußername. @Mono: Thiß guy created a redirect on Fûck; now I don't think anyone'ß going to type that in either. :| TelCoNaSpVe :|05:46, 17 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
I am not sure what the german for assassination is, but I am pretty sure it isn't aßaßination. The same goes for aß and aßhole. I think that fact that these are not real words is good enough reason to delete these redirects.--Forty twoThanks for all the fish!14:57, 17 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Yes, thank you Fetchcomms. I made a mißtake. @Forty two: This is exactly what I'm talking about. One letter is in German, but the letters a-a-ination are all in English. That simply does not make any sense. What would happen if we created a redirect that had French characters and Vietnamese characters and Korean characters all thrown in the mix? :| TelCoNaSpVe :|15:54, 17 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Misstake? German uses Latin characters, Korean does not. That's my argument. You've never been to one of those places where they still use the symbol, so how would you know it's not a reasonable spelling for some? I've never been to such places either, but I am fairly certain that, as the symbol is still used, there is no harm in keeping the redirects. —fetch·comms16:31, 17 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Can I see this difference between Latin characters and Korean ones? I don't know how a single German symbol could stand perfectly well amidst English lettering. Could you also tell me how many people on average use such a redirect? There's not a neceßity in creating lots of unneeded redirects like boß, goßip, sißy or anything like that, so I don't know how it would apply here. I believe the majority of such redirects with ß don't exist. To clarify what I mean This, that and the other commented here saying "Besides the obvious unwieldiness of such redirects, there are many possible permutations of Unicode characters that could be used for each mathematical symbol in the formulae, and thus hundreds of possible redirects for each mathematical area. Keeping these redirects would open a messy can of worms." This can similarly be applied to the "hundreds of redirects out there" containing one or many instances of the German character ß.
Other stuff may or may not exist. Bring it to RfD; I never said I am opposed to it's eventual removal, just stating why I declined a prod for it. —fetch·comms18:59, 17 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 13 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
Hi Mono. I'm going to be busy for a couple of days but just wanted to remind you about the discussion report; Wackywace created it, but it appears Wackywace is working on a FAC so will you be able to do it? If not, perhaps it should be on hiatus for this week? It doesn't seem like much has been done on it just yet. Ncmvocalist (talk) 19:22, 18 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
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GOCE July 2010 backlog elimination drive chart
Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors Backlog Elimination Drive! We have now passed the halfway point, so here's an update.
Progress Report - Progress toward the targets has been good. 751 articles out of the approximately 1,600 we would like to get completed by the end of the month were done by July 15, so we will be very close to meeting the target for volume. However, we would like to clear all of the 2008 articles from the backlog, and there are still 892 left to do. Please consider choosing one of these older articles when looking for something to copy edit. If we focus our firepower we can completely wipe out 2008 from the queue.
Participation Report - 95 people signed up for the July drive. This is a great result compared to May, when we had 36. However, in May only one person that signed up didn't do any copy edits, and in July only 59 of the 95 have posted any copy edits on the big board.
The task may seem insurmountable but please remember that if all 95 participants copy edit just one article a day from now until the end of the month, we will eliminate 1,300 more articles from the backlog. So please consider participating at whatever level you can! All contributions are appreciated.
Latest comment: 13 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
I think that once every two weeks would be a more appropriate time frame. There aren't enough RFCs to do two every week, so I think once a fortnight would be more comprehensive and of better quality. Let me know what you think, WackyWaceyou talkin' to me?13:04, 19 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 13 years ago8 comments4 people in discussion
Hello, Mono. I see you nominated स्फैग्नम for speedy deletion under criterion G1. Not being a new user, you probably know by now that G1 is not for articles not in English, and made the nomination on basis of the previous, malformatted nomination's rationale. I am letting you know that after a bit of investigation I've concluded that this is the Hindi term for Sphagnum, and have tentatively redirected the title accordingly, declining your speedy nomination. A foreign-language redirect can be useful, especially if a user comes across the term but does not know its English equivalent. Cheers, Intelligentsock03:03, 21 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Not all foreign redirects are valid. If someone creates "voiture" and writes an article about cars in French, there's no reason to say "oh, it's a duplicate of 'car', so I'll just redirect". We don't need to have foreign redirects for every term. This is not a translation site. Now on the other hand Les Trois Mousquetairesis a valid foreign redirect because that's the original title of the work. If you look at foreign redirects, they are all proper titles, not just random nouns. There is more being discussed at WT:CSD. — Timneu22 ·talk12:57, 22 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Er, Mono, you may want to change those tabs at the top of your talk page - the project links may be convenient for you, but not for new users who want to contact you. An anonymous user seems to have viewed your talk page wanting to leave you a message regarding what Inteeligentsock just covered, but instead of posting it here, they clicked on the "talk" tab, in which they were led to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Apple Inc. They ended up leaving you a message there, unaware that the tabs were actually for project talk. By the way, I'm liking the "Congratulations! You're Wikipedia's one-billionth user. Click to collect your prize!" thing. ~SuperHamsterTalkContribs03:18, 21 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Regarding the editnotice, I am unsure whether recognizing and reproducing the recent spate of mass-vandalism is in line with the spirit of WP:DFTT and WP:DENY. I will not prevent you from displaying it if you wish to, of course, I merely wanted to let you know. Intelligentsock03:28, 21 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 13 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion
Hi Mono. Just a small thing, but what happened to the links on this page to your archives? It makes it hard for people who want to see older posts. Anyway, I like those huge letters in your edit notice about being Wikipedia's one-billionth user . I laughed. Wasn't there a sort of spambot posting the same thing (in red) not too long ago? Anyway, great work on Portal:Apple Inc. Also, I'll begin revamping MacBook Air this weekend or something, focusing on getting sources for reviews. Looking forward to the collab :). Airplaneman ✈04:35, 21 July 2010 (UTC)Reply
You templated a regular. Again. I think if you removed/changed the CSD tag manually and typed out a short explanation, he would have received it better. Airplaneman ✈04:18, 22 July 2010 (UTC)Reply