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Hey, I remember you from OpenStreetMap! Anyway, based on my knowledge, I think our project is leaning towards removing the existence test for shields from the rewrite. Please contact me or the project if you have any other questions. Thanks! -happy5214 03:26, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

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The thought was that it was generally unnecessary, since most of the shields should already be made. Perhaps there should be a new hook for those kinds of shields, to test for their existence. -happy5214 04:43, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Convert

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possible collaboration/merge?

Hi Minh,

I saw your Vietnamese project on wikibooks and want to let you know that I'm essentially doing something similar and that our works might be able to be combined or at least shared.

I recognized a huge gap in the learning process for English speakers trying to learn VNese so I made a wiki for it to allow a lot of people to edit any mistakes and contribute. My main goals were to create a rich set of word banks that other sites don't seem to do very well, help learners understand nuances of the language that a dictionary wouldn't be able to help you with, help learners recognize formal/informal speaking, and help learners recognize both northern and southern VNese words/phrases. This is all really a path to learning VNese better myself (I'm a VNese-American, with parents from the N and the S).

I don't know if there's any development on your side anymore, but I'm building my own wiki and contributing pretty rapidly. At the moment, it can be found here: http://24.18.139.143/index.php/Word_Lists. I'm trying to develop enough material to get a base, and then I'd get my own domain and then try to get more people to contribute. It's a little slow at the moment as it just runs on my raspberry pi (I'm a software dev at MS, btw). I don't know what wikibook's model is, but at the moment, I want to have backups of all my work and know that I can always expand for free. If wikibook is like that, maybe it will be possible to just dump all my work into the wikibook VNese site and format it to your liking though it also seems like the site is kinda stagnant so I don't know if there's any use to contribute to your wiki or somewhere else.

Anyway, let me know if you have any thoughts. I think there's a lot of room for development here.

-Julian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4898:80E0:ED43:0:0:0:2 (talk) 18:51, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

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Seal of Ohio

Can we find a place for this image (which you recently removed). It is higher resolution and more detailed than what is currently in the article. Thanks.--Godot13 (talk) 15:46, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

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Population Matters

Hi, I saw your name in the list of potential Vietnamese translators and hoped to ask for some help. I have developed a machine translation of the named article which is currently at vi.wikipedia/Th%C3%A0nh_vi%C3%AAn:Gregkaye. If you have the time please take a look. Many thanks Gregkaye (talk) 11:54, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

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Non-native pronunciations of English

Hello, please check the page of Non-native pronunciations of English, it is written that when Vietnamese people can't pronounce the [θ], they will pronounce as [t] or [s], but is there some Vietnamese who say thank you as "fenk you" ? If yes, you should add it in that page. 162.247.122.228 (talk) 20:51, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

It's not that Vietnamese speakers can't say [θ], it's that "th" and "t" have the opposite pronunciations in English compared to Vietnamese. (In Vietnamese, "th" is /tʰ/ while "t" is /t/, which is closer to the English "th" /θ/.) It's actually quite easy to teach a Vietnamese speaker to approximate the English "th" as /t/ and "t" as /tʰ/. And I've never heard anyone say "fenk you" in any language... – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 22:30, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

My parents are Chinese, they say "fenk you". 162.247.122.228 (talk) 23:52, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Oh OK. But I'm quite certain native Vietnamese speakers wouldn't use /f/ there, because Vietnamese does have a phoneme very similar to /θ/. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 23:55, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

In fact, /θ/ is closer to [f] or [s]. 162.247.122.228 (talk) 00:00, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Well, it's [t̪] (voiceless dental stop) to be precise. (/t/ can range from dental to postalveolar.) The Vietnamese "t" is identical to the "t" in Portuguese and Spanish. Remember that "closeness" is perceived differently between cultures and cannot be determined solely by distance on the IPA chart. My point is that the Vietnamese "t" is nonplosive and has the same place of articulation as /θ/, so native English speakers would find it easier to comprehend as a substitute for /θ/. Unfortunately, unless taught otherwise, native Vietnamese speakers often use [t̪] for the English "t" and /d/ for "th".

In loan words, /f/ is used for /p/ rather than /θ/, hence "phô mai" (fromage) and "phú lít" (police). But note that /b/ is also common for /p/, as in "pin" (pronounced /bin/; pile) and "Pa-ri" (/ba ri/; Paris).

 – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 00:08, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

/θ/ is fricative, is there some English-speakers pronounce who pronounce [t̪] ? 162.247.122.228 (talk) 00:52, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, voiceless dental stop lists several English dialects that pronounce "t" as [t̪] instead of /θ/. Regardless, it's a sound that native English speakers associate with the letter T, unlike /f/ or /s/. /θ/ is also associated with the letter T by way of "th". I think it probably has a lot to do with how native speakers are taught phonetics at a young age. But in any case, languages are messy, not as clinical as the IPA chart would have you believe. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 01:10, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

If someone pronounces the word think as [t̪ɪŋk], it's not incorrect ? 162.247.122.228 (talk) 01:27, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

We aren't talking about "correctness" here, we're talking about whether a native English speaker would understand a non-native speaker, right? Besides, English has many dialects; what's considered correct in one region is incorrect in another. Where I grew up, it's correct to ask "please?" when you don't understand what another person is saying. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 01:31, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Some Vietnamese people pronounce the word father as [ˈfaɗə] ? 198.99.28.90 (talk) 12:37, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Native English speakers say "father" with /ð/, not /θ/; I usually hear either something like [ˈfa.ə] or [ˈfaɾə] from native Vietnamese speakers. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 12:45, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Native Vietnamese speakers pronounce the word again as [ɤɣɛn] or [aɣɛn] ? 198.99.28.90 (talk) 12:58, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Not sure. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 13:02, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

nonstandard

Nonstandard means incorrect ? 198.99.28.90 (talk) 13:25, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Not quite. "Nonstandard" means "not the most commonly accepted version"; it emphasizes that there are many correct answers, some more common than others. When discussing language, it's politically correct to use descriptive words like "nonstandard" instead of prescriptive words like "incorrect" and "proscribed". See also NPOV. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 13:31, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

In Quebec French, the word fête is pronounced [faɪ̯t], it's a nonstandard pronunciation, it doesn't means wrong ? 198.99.28.90 (talk) 14:23, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

An unequivocal statement like "X is pronounced Y" would imply a standard, wouldn't it?

The English language is unregulated; no single organization or government has authority over the language. In the absence of a global standard, all we can say is "X is pronounced Y because well-known dictionary Z says so". In England, that well-known dictionary might be the OED, while in the U.S. it might be Webster's or AHD. When the dictionaries disagree, too bad.

In French, the Académie française does carry quite a bit of prestige, so its recommendations are treated with more respect. I suppose one could say "the correct Standard French pronunciation of X is Y". However, dialects such as Québec French do exist and are unregulated, so once again you can say "X is pronounced Y in Québec French because well-known dictionary Z says so". [bla] would be an incorrect pronunciation of fête, but only because no one would understand it.

 – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 20:41, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

I think [wilsõ] is a wrong pronunciation of Wilson. 198.99.28.90 (talk) 21:10, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Uh, whatever you say. :^) – Minh Nguyễn ^💬

I'm sure, because Wilson is not a French name. 198.99.28.90 (talk) 00:06, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

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