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{{helpme}} I've just spent 2 solid days researching and writing my first article, and suddenly some of the links have turned red. I think I created links from those pages to the one I am writing before I finished the page. What can I do?NaGromOne (talk) 14:05, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi there. Do you mean User:NaGromOne/NII Awards? If so, 'CitySpace' is a redlink because it says [[CitySpace]] and the article is actually called 'Cityspace' without a capital S. Similarly, [[MicroMUSE]] is red because the article is called 'MicroMuse'. Article names are case-sensitive. Hope this answers. For more help, you can either;

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Best wishes,  Chzz  ►  14:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

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{{helpme}} I see my role (being a professional Librarian) to provide useful cross reference hyperlinks for the general public who consult Wikipedia articles. I have tried in the past to add cross references to the article Immanuel_Velikovsky by creating a [[1]] to "The Case for Taking Velikovsky Seriously" by James P. Hogan which is an online full text version of his published book. Every attempt to add this link was immediately removed by User:Phaedrus7 who accused me of promoting pseudoscience, etc.

In the end I just gave up and left Wikipedia alone for a few months, very disillusioned with the way Wikipedia seemed to be run by Phaedrus7 and others who were allowed to ridicule me, what they considered my 'beliefs' and my understanding of Wikipedia:Neutral point of view.

Now that time has passed and the insults have faded, I thought I'd come back and this time get advice before trying again.

Was I being biased? Was the link to the online full text incorrect? Should I have pointed to the hardcopy only? Was I violating NPoV ? What should I do when subjected to scathing and belittling comments and immediate "undo" of my efforts?

NaGromOne (talk) 03:04, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi there, and a sincere 'welcome back'. Please don't be disappointed by your early experiences - bear with Wikipedia for a while, and I hope that you will find, things can always be worked out.

Without commenting on the specific 'right and wrong' of the case, and remaining neutral, I can explain about the correct procedure–which I think will answer your more fundamental question.

Whilst we strongly encourage editors to be bold, the applicable policy is WP:BRD - bold, revert, discuss. Anyone can add something, and anyone else can remove it, but, at that point, we have to stop and discuss it.

All matters on Wikipedia are decided through consensus - so, if you add something to an article and another user objects, you should start a discussion about it on the articles discussion page, and see what other editors think.

If it is not possible to reach an amicable agreement, we have many options for helping resolve it - such as getting a third opinion, asking for informal mediation, right up to more formal procedures - but the most important thing, in all cases, is to discuss the content with other editors, and if necessary, accept the views of the consensus. See WP:DISPUTE.

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The last of those is particularly useful - please try it; pop in now and say hello.  Chzz  ►  03:21, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Link once again undone straight away (see above)

I did as Chzz suggested, and for added measure this time made the link a footnote, so the reader would have to follow it to find the citation I added. Within 12 hours, my work was Undone by Phaedrus7 again, with the notation "Undid revision 355089395 by NaGromOne. Improper citation to a book chapter."

Following the guidelines from our chat, I added a section to the Talk page entitled "Link from Immanuel Velikovsky to James P. Hogan book chapter"

Apologies for not coding the citation correctly. How would you recommend the information be entered (to the book and/or the chapter online), so the link can be inserted correctly, please?--NaGromOne (talk) 14:58, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I am hoping they will respond helpfully, in the spirit of Wikipedia NPOV.

Book Chapter Citation

For guidance on providing reference to a chapter in a book, examine the References list in the Immanuel Velikovsky entry; for example, no. 38 James Gilbert's Redeeming Culture. However, I do not consider Hogan's discussion of Velikovsky important because he provides nothing new and merely repeats the same myth of the Velikovsky Affair that has circulated since the mid-1960s. Phaedrus7 (talk) 18:43, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

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