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March 2020

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Seriously, you're making unexplained changes that are either irrelevant or otherwise unnecessary to articles and doing so without explanation. The linking is also a problem. Start explaining and working cooperatively. Thanks. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:51, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Doing a very thorough job. Keep it up! Erasmus Sydney (talk) 23:26, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

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Repentance

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, as you did at Repentance (Christianity), you may be blocked from editing. Anupam^Talk 02:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello User:Anupam. Parts of the text that were duplicated have been removed and other parts have been added according to the plan of the article and references, as shown in the history of the article. But if you do not agree to the changes, you are free to change. Disagreement can happen, it's part of life, but it's not a reason to intimidate others (Wikipedia:Ownership of content). Thanks for your help. --ServB1 (talk) 21:11, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Census

You're quoting but not following Wikipedia:Independent_sources#Non-independent_sources. The infoboxes can't state the numbers as fact, they must make it clear they are a claim by the organisation. Doug Weller talk 12:23, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Doug Weller (talk · contribs). The infoboxes are summaries of the information already present in the article. Infoboxes should therefore not contain excessively long details (Help: Infobox). All the figures present in the infoboxes of organization, company, Christian denomination, church or religious movement on Wikipedia are on this same model. Censuses of Christian denominations or any other organization are always carried out by the organization. This is due to the fact that there is no body responsible for counting the members of a church (or any other organization). Journalists and book authors will therefore always rely on the figures provided by the organizations. A secondary source would therefore not be a better reference for factual matters (such as statistics). Wikipedia:Identifying and using primary sources even says that for this kind of information, a primary source is preferable. Thanks for your help. --ServB1 (talk) 21:55, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

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Marriage Course article

Hello, I would like to publish a Marriage Course article. The course is run by almost every church denomination in over 100 countries and I was wondering whether it would be possible to include the article under Evangelical Christianity? Thank you! Jakub.cz (talk) 09:18, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

A-class

In order to be A-Class, an article needs per WP:ACLASS to undergo one of two formal review processes with more than one review: either at the talk page of the article or at a WikiProject. You've been tagging a lot of pages where this has not happened as A-Class. I expect you to undo your ratings. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:58, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Category:Bacolod Evangelical Church has been nominated for merging

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"Biography" for biblical figures

See WP:FTN. Doug Weller talk 13:43, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I have rolled back all of the edits you made in the last two days. These seem contrary to WP:MOS as well as a violation of WP:NPOV since you were inserting Christian devotional literature as references. jps (talk) 15:46, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello ජපස (talk · contribs). The added references in the biblical articles come from books published by independent and academic publishers (B&H Publishing Group and Zondervan Academic), whether Christian or not, these authors and publishers have dealt with the subject objectively. See Wikipedia:Citing sources and Wikipedia:Identifying and using primary sources. Thanks for your help. --ServB1 (talk) 20:11, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

I read through the texts. The goals of these books was to act as devotional literature and apologetics and not as academic treatises. The publishers are not the issue. The issue is the genre. jps (talk) 20:37, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello ජපස (talk · contribs). The references are dictionaries (Holman Concise Bible Dictionary and Zondervan Illustrated Bible Dictionary), the most objective academic reference (Tertiary source). Thanks for your help. --ServB1 (talk) 23:53, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

It is amazing that someone could write a biased dictionary, but it seems to happen. Best practices here include not relying on dictionaries. jps (talk) 02:37, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello ජපස (talk · contribs). To say that dictionaries are not acceptable as references, proofs are needed. According to Wikipedia:Citing sources and Wikipedia:Identifying and using primary sources, officially published references that support information that is not controversial are well acceptable. However, if you don't like a reference, you are free to change it (Wikipedia:Five_pillars#WP:5P5)! Thanks for your help. --ServB1 (talk) 19:45, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Dictionaries_as_sources. jps (talk) 11:28, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

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You may also want to read User:Ian.thomson/ChristianityAndNPOV. We at Wikipedia are highbrow (snobby), heavily biased for the academia.

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If (I'm not saying that you do, but if...) you are here to promote pseudoscience, extremism, fundamentalism or conspiracy theories, we're not interested in what you have to say. Tgeorgescu (talk) 30 August 2020 00:42:15 (UTC)

Hello Tgeorgescu (talk · contribs). The added references in the biblical articles come from books published by independent and academic publishers (B&H Publishing Group and Zondervan Academic), whether Christian or not, these authors and publishers have dealt with the subject objectively. See Wikipedia:Citing sources and Wikipedia:Identifying and using primary sources. Finally, the references are dictionaries (Holman Concise Bible Dictionary and Zondervan Illustrated Bible Dictionary), the most objective academic reference (Tertiary source). Thanks for your help. --ServB1 (talk) 20:21, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

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Hello Diannaa (talk · contribs). I was indeed the sole author of the text copied in another article, as the history shows. Thanks for your help. --ServB1 (talk) 01:53, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

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Organization name

Hi. The official website of the organization can be a little tricky, because it uses the shorter name almost everywhere - but it is not a new official name. The official website of the organization, per the link found in the article, still uses the full ten-word name as used in the opening text of the article, and acknowledges on its own "About" page that it simply uses “The King Center” for short. The full name has not changed. The short-hand title "The King Center" was already set up as a redirect nearly fifteen years ago, and is one of five redirects to the article. Jmg38 (talk) 20:26, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

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