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Casta's height
editYou cite a dispute over Casta's height as the reason for your recent revision of a sourced edit, and point to a previous edit summary of Infobox person without Height avoids the recurrent dispute about the interpretation of the numbers of inches or centimeters. Consult her agencies. I'm not sure what you mean. Two of the three agencies linked in her infobox indicate that she is 5'6" (as the recent editor put in), while the other doesn't provide stats. Plus, there are no talk page discussions on the matter, which I would say there needs to be to qualify as a recurring dispute. Care to elaborate? Mbinebri talk ← 21:18, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Truly? And you have a source for such an unimportant, non-notable and unencyclopedic piece of trivia? Classic.
Tiderolls says about shoe size of another personality. 00:59, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Yes. Even with the sources that the user Nimmzo shared on purpose in the Infobox to avoid disputes, the measurements should not be published in the Infobox and the body of the article. The main reason is the recurring Height war since 2004.
The user Mbinebri is not involved in the recent reverts. However he actively participated several times in this Height war (see the yellow background in the following table between 2009/06/18 and 2009/12/01) reverting systematically all attempt that does not correspond to his FMD reference without asking himself if his reference is perhaps wrong or without opening a discussion.
He wrote at 21:18, 31 July 2012 (UTC) above: "Plus, there are no talk page discussions on the matter" potentially forgetting in all WP:GOODFAITH his own answer in "true height" about the proof given by a fan in IP mode. He replied: "Ah, I see. You should have brought this up a lot earlier!" at 18:05, 4 December 2009 (UTC).
The most interesting part in his contribution is that he did not renounce to his FMD reference. He moved this reference (known by him from this date as wrong for the height) to justify the birth date: "Proper ref for height; added FMD ref to birthdate" adding "Elle magazine (France). May 2004. Retrieved 2009-12-04" demonstrating that he read the URL of the proof hosted by imageshack.us, which is not a pertinent, reliable provider of references. ImageShack freely hosts pictures without managing the copyright. It cannot be a secondary source for the references in WP.
Maybe in behalf of fair use, this user could have potentially forgotten the basic principles of en:WP about the copyright (WP:NONFREE photo by Sylvie Lancrenon and text by the personality) approving, in a reference, a personal scan --eventually photoshopped for a fan site-- given by a fan in IP mode. As expected, the proof disappears from imageshack.us for copyright issue. It is not the first time that this user is involved in a fan site reference leading to a dead link as it is demonstrated in this revert on 18:22, 27 May 2012.
Note that at 14:49, 7 May 2012 the user promoted again the partially wrong reference FMD: "Restored ref for DOB" retrieved on 4 December 2009 to justify the birth date as if there are not any fully correct sources verified recently. Doing this, he gives the germ in order that other users continue the Height war invoking his FMD reference (check 08:42, 2012/05/09).
| Date (UTC) | User | Height inch | Height cm | Weight | Country | Comment about the Height war |
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| 18:22, 2012/07/31 | Nimmzo | en:WP | rv 505119307 by 50.9.45.142 IMG link already above. Height generates disputes (conversion issues inches/cm). See revert 17:04, 9 May 2012; discussion "wow" | |||
| 16:22, 2012/07/31 | 50.9.45.142 | 5 ft 6 in | 1.68 m | en:WP | with link to IMG | |
| 09:32, 2012/07/23 | Bobrayner | en:WP | Got a source? WP:BURDEN | |||
| 06:52, 2012/07/23 | Lukriscamirobgnr | 5'8' | 1.73 cm | 55 kg | en:WP | There is a substantial difference + 2 inches with the first one |
| 17:04, 2012/05/09 | Nimmzo | en:WP | Undid revision 491553006 by 193.188.198.2 Infobox person without Height avoids the recurrent dispute about the interpretation of the numbers of inches or centimeters. Consult her agencies. | |||
| 08:42, 2012/05/09 | 193.188.198.2 | (5'7.5") | 172 cm | en:WP | "height". With link to FMD | |
| 14:11, 2012/05/06 | Nimmzo | en:WP | "Introduce the actress: Infobox person solves height dispute." | |||
| 21:32, 2012/01/06 | 50.9.28.40 | 5 ft 6 in | 1.68 m | 57 kg | en:WP | |
| 21:32, 2012/01/06 | 50.9.28.40 | 5 ft 6 1⁄2 in | 1.69 m | 57 kg | en:WP | more or less +1 cm in the same minute |
| 21:28, 2012/01/06 | 50.9.28.40 | 5 ft 6 in | 1.68 m | 57 kg | en:WP | with IMG link |
| 21:20, 2012/01/04 | Lynn Maury | 5 ft 6 1⁄2 in | 1.69 m | 57 kg | en:WP | "In the reference, Laetitia states her height as 1.69 m." |
| 22:21, 2011/09/22 | 50.9.28.40 | 5 ft 6 in | 1.68 m | 57 kg | en:WP | |
| 18:34, 2011/08/20 | 98.64.59.197 | 5 ft 5 in | 1.65 m | 57 kg | en:WP | |
| 20:01, 2011/08/19 | 187.22.206.43 | 5 ft 6 1⁄2 in | 1.69 m | 57 kg | en:WP | |
| 01:05, 2011/05/05 | 74.233.225.115 | 5 ft 5 in | 1.65 m | 57 kg | en:WP | The Height war continues despite the reference |
| 18:14, 2009/12/04 | Mbinebri | 5 ft 6 1⁄2 in | 1.69 m | 57 kg | en:WP | "Proper ref for height; added FMD ref to birthdate"
"proofh.jpg Elle magazine (France). May 2004. Retrieved 2009-12-04" |
| 13:30, 2009/12/04 | 72.193.218.145 | 5 ft 6 1⁄2 in | 1.69 m | 57 kg | en:WP | Justified with ELLE scanned picture proofh.jpg that no longer exists for copyright issue. Discussion "true height" 13:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC) |
| 13:24, 2009/12/04 | 72.193.218.145 | 5 ft 6 1⁄2 in | 1.69 m | 57 kg | en:WP | proofn.jpg scan |
| 14:24, 2009/12/01 | Mbinebri | 5 ft 7 1⁄2 in | 1.72 m | 57 kg | en:WP | "Reverted 1 edit by 72.193.218.145; What is it with IPs changing her height?. (TW)" |
| 09:27, 2009/12/01 | 72.193.218.145 | 5 ft 6 1⁄2 in | 1.69 m | 57 kg | en:WP | |
| 16:22, 2009/10/27 | Mbinebri | 5 ft 7 1⁄2 in | 1.72 m | 57 kg | en:WP | "Updated height to what FMD now says" |
| 11:58, 2009/10/27 | 78.185.177.194 | 5 ft 9 in | 1.75 m | 57 kg | en:WP | |
| 18:56, 2009/07/07 | Mbinebri | 5 ft 7 1⁄2 in | 1.72 m | 57 kg | en:WP | "Reverted 1 edit by 75.85.150.79. (TW)" |
| 11:09, 2009/07/06 | 75.85.150.79 | 5 ft 6 1⁄2 in | 1.69 m | 57 kg | en:WP | |
| 01:52, 2009/06/19 | Mbinebri | 5 ft 7 1⁄2 in | 1.72 m | 57 kg | en:WP | "Ref for height" (FMD) Add the FMD reference |
| 01:50, 2009/06/19 | Mbinebri | 5 ft 7 1⁄2 in | 1.72 m | 57 kg | en:WP | "Reverted 1 edit by 72.193.226.238; Again, corrected height. (TW)" |
| 00:57, 2009/06/19 | 72.193.226.238 | 5 ft 6 1⁄2 in | 1.69 m | 57 kg | en:WP | |
| 18:53, 2009/06/18 | Mbinebri | 5 ft 7 1⁄2 in | 1.72 m | 57 kg | en:WP | "Corrected height per FMD; brown is brown"
even if FMD published: "Hair color: Light brown"? |
| 17:56, 2009/06/18 | Timmmaaay17 | 5 ft 7 in | 1.70 m | 57 kg | en:WP | |
| 11:11, 2009/06/14 | Dudesleeper | 5 ft 6 1⁄2 in | 1.69 m | 57 kg | en:WP | "Revert to revision 294314533 dated 2009-06-04 04:05:08 by Phoenixrod using popups" |
| 01:32, 2009/06/14 | 76.229.121.222 | 5 ft 7 1⁄2 in | 1.72 m | 57 kg | en:WP | |
| 22:20, 2008/06/01 | Raine r pierre | 5 ft 6 1⁄2 in | 1.69 m | 57 kg | en:WP | |
| 01:20, 2008/03/14 | 69.129.199.171 | 5 ft 7 1⁄2 in | 1.72 m | 57 kg | en:WP | "edited height according to fmd" |
| 20:44, 2007/04/12 | Theunicyclegirl | 5' 6½" | 169 cm | 57 kg | en:WP | First infobox with the correct value with green background |
| 14:25, 2004/06/29 | 219.95.153.52 | 5 feet 7 in | en:WP | Initial height in  United Kingdom,  United States, ...
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| 14:47, 2012/06/23 | Julien Laurent JACOB | 1m70 | fr:WP | + 1 cm to generate on purpose an edit war so the infobox model has been removed. | ||
| 05:16 2012/03/17 | Julien Laurent JACOB | 1m69 | 53 kg | fr:WP | Initial height in  France
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| 17:25, 2009/03/05 | 94.37.144.208 | 169 cm | it:WP | -3 cm with the first Italian post | ||
| 11:48, 2008/08/29 | Galva82 | 57 kg | it:WP | Initial weight | ||
| 17:09, 2007/09/02 | Knacker | 172 cm | it:WP | "Inserito il template Infobox caratteristiche personali, vedi Progetto:Moda". Initial height in  Italy
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The Height war was not particular to this personality. The Estella Warren's height was introduced on 09:14, 30 January 2007 and removed at 15:27, 1 January 2009 "Copyedit; removed unsourced material per WP:V and WP:BLP" by Nightscream and did not reappear. Pay attention that the profession "model" and her measurements have been removed from the Infobox to keep only actress.
07:32, 2012/07/23: the user Bobrayner reverted also a previous attempt and asked for a source, which is available in the Infobox. Even after the proof given by the fan as reference in end of 2009, the Height war continues in en:WP. In other European WP (see just above at the end of the table), a French user incremented the Height parameter to clearly generate a new dispute.
To solve the issue, the user Nimmzo replaced the Infobox model with the Infobox person and reverted two attempts that tried to restore the endless Height war.
In conclusion, for the reader interested in this kind of "unimportant, non-notable and unencyclopedic piece of trivia", the measurements are available through the links provided in the Infobox. Even properly sourced, they do not need to be explicitly duplicated in the Infobox or the body of the article to avoid any resurgence of the Height war.
Nimmzo (talk) 21:59, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
- Do you have a shorter, more coherent version of this explanation? One that's under, say, 1,000 characters (as opposed to a staggering 16,000) and doesn't bizarrely refer to us in the third person? Mbinebri talk ← 02:28, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Third opinion
editFirstly, content disputes should be held on the talk page of the associated article, not spread across user talk, so that all editors interested in the article can see them and weigh in. That aside, while I'm not entirely sure what's meant by the dispute here, I see no reason not to include an actress' height in an article, provided it can be reliably sourced. For many actors and actresses, their physical appearance is a critical part of their notability, and if reliable sources discuss something like their height, we should follow their lead. Of course, if it can't be reliably sourced, we should as always leave it out. Seraphimblade Talk to me 16:28, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
The Chess Diagram, arrows, etc.
editHi. I've been a bit interested in Chess for a long time even if I haven't been able to play in a while. I'm the one who did the audio version of the article Chess, and, get this, also did it before three years ago! Nobody else had even dared reading that large an article, I guess (the entire article, read out loud, takes just over an hour at a reasonable pace).
I created the chess arrows and such because the chess diagrams had only the pieces and the blank squares. There were no arrows included to allow showing where a piece moved. If you're going to explain how a piece can move then arrows or some indicator is important and should be present. I created the arrows over dark and light squares according to the rules of how the other images were being referenced, and in order to get my symbols to work with the diagrams, they had to be named in a similar fashion to the other pages. (That's why they're named with the XYZ format specified so they will "play nice" and work correctly with all the other usage of the other symbols.) Since I think the original templates and such were designed to handle one letter as the identifier, and have certain rules, I had to do it the way the system picked them. That's why they were named the way they are.
The purpose was to allow use when showing how a piece moves or can be moved either in explaining how chess is played or perhaps in showing a move in a game or if a game was described, how it could have been moved. The idea was it gave people the option to use the symbols if they needed them, so it gave them a resource they could now use if they wanted to. It added a resource which is usable by anyone who wants to create a chess diagram where they show movement of a piece.
I mean, if you want to show that a king can move one square, you show a king and you show one arrow on every side. If you show how a knight can move, you show three and two in four directions to show the eight places the piece can land on. A rook or a bishop has arrows up and down and right and left, or diagonally, respectively, all the way to the end of the board. For a queen, you show arrows all the way to the end of the board in all directions from it. None of this was possible until I added the arrows.
The images are in SVG format because SVG is a vector format and the images are crisp and sharp when it's resized either bigger or smaller as opposed to PNG or other bitmapped format images which can become fuzzy or blurry when you show them at a different resolution to the way they were originally saved. Most current web browsers can display SVG natively, but, I think for doing thumbnails the Wikimedia software converts SVGs to a PNG image for faster display. The images as uploaded were uploaded as SVG, but Wikimedia does some "magic" to store the thumbnails as PNG. I hope that answers your questions, and if you have more, write me on my page again and I'll be happy to answer them. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) (talk) 14:51, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
The names of the SVG files used for chess pieces and board pieces are based on internal coding of other templates, and the names I can use are based on the coding in certain places where I can insert something to do so. I could insert the arrows by creating a specific letter or 2-letter code, but the file name has to end in a lower-case l or d followed by the number 45, because that's what the original template uses (you have to go to the templates that are used to generate pages to discover how it includes them, and the coding for a chessboard is intended to use 1 or 2 characters, I think). So, in order for my new arrow pages to fit in with the others - and I know I included instructions somewhere on one of the chess diagram explanation pages to show how to use the arrow symbols, I can't find it - the file has to be called exactly "chess_" (or "chess " and the blank is converted to underline) followed by the piece code, followed by an indication of piece color, followed by l or d (and it must be lower case) to indicate the board color, then the number 45 and the file type ".svg". (which also must be in lower case.) Now, in order to make it work for the redboxed items, i think I used upper case for the piece name so it would be an easy mnemonic. Hope this helps to explain where the names come from. There are parts where there is a convention that I have to follow to get them to work, and parts where I can choose part of what to call them. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) (talk) 01:00, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
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